A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[Nero Cain]

I mean, true her "i'll use my ability on who the majority of players want dead!" is a bit LAMIST but I'd like to know what you are thinking Gin.

[Nero Cain]

She claims that we can no lynch. if you are town that lurking isn't really helping.

[Nero Cain]

Point
-----
your head

[Nero Cain]

JESUS FUCK, Vax.

[Nero Cain]

I mean, true her "i'll use my ability on who the majority of players want dead!" is a bit LAMIST but I'd like to know what you are thinking Gin.

LAMIST implies that it's something done for towncred, rather than done on simple principle, for policy. Gladiating the lead lynch is the only usage of my power which isn't dictating the lynch. If I gladiated a vanity wagon or even a player with no votes, I'd be controlling the lynch.

This is the same reason I waited until just before deadline. Gladiating earlier in the day would lock us into one option, where by waiting, a better one can present itself.

There's no towncred to be had in doing what is, frankly, the ONLY appropriate action.

There's no town cred in going with the flow and doing what the majority want? Get out of here with that bullshit.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Mastina
I volunteer for tomorrow, since you regret not gladiating me Mastina.

how can she gladiate you if she's dead?

THIS

game.

[Nero Cain]

vote: Ginngie

[Nero Cain]

holy bettlejuice batman

[Nero Cain]

Who is scum gin?

[Nero Cain]

sup Vecna?

[Nero Cain]

Well I'm p sure that Vecna will be the lynch today until unless he activates his IC. He was on earlier and I was disappointed that he didn't come in here.

I would like to hear some opinions on Ginngie.

[Nero Cain]

I always thought Gin was a guy. huh.

I still lean town on Chick, I mean maybe her indifference towards the game is scumplay and I didn't feel like here "Vecna is so town you guys!" was the great contribution she thinks it was so it's not like I'd really care enough if she got ran up but I'm not expecting a scumflip.

[Nero Cain]

Well, they are scum so...

[Nero Cain]

this is Civ mafia all over again.

[Nero Cain]

vote: Maid Cafe

[Nero Cain]

this is Civ mafia all over again.

No worries. Im fine going for your target as well, but Nos is pretty likely scum here.

maybe, idk.

like if he's scum then we are saying

Okay nos you better not be scum because this is like, the most endearing interaction I've ever had with you and I think when we've played I usually just lazily (and incorrectly) scumread you but I want you to be town rn

i cant make any promises x

he's scum thats halfway claiming scum.

So vax and IC are scum?

VOTE: vax

I didn't really like how he was was all like "anyone that believes the dayvig is scum" but it took me to get him onto Vax.

id honestly rather not get desperado'd

conf town is not a good color on me

doesn't want to be despo'd b/c he's scum that knows he'll die.

[Nero Cain]

Also, his reply to you is just waving you off an eh, wasn't the biggest fan.

[Nero Cain]

Ok boys talk to me here.

im all man baby

[Nero Cain]

It still says innocent children.

[Nero Cain]

this is now a Nancy Drew Shogunate

It still says innocent children.

[Nero Cain]

last time you were asked to provide reasoning you ran away.

[Nero Cain]

Innocent Children is being replaced. Please don't discuss this replacement.

Well, there goes half the game activity.

[Nero Cain]

y don't we just lynch us some inactive slots?

[Nero Cain]

part of me feels like no lynching even if we are getting a maybe inno is pro scum, idk.

I just want to lynch maid cafe.

[Nero Cain]

and gin. death to those lurker scums now.

[Nero Cain]

I'd be ok with that.

[Nero Cain]

maid/jj/???/???/???

mastina and kuroi?

a scum skygazer meta defending ineffective tow today angel isn't an impossibility....

[Nero Cain]

Rylai and Lina are prob scum.

[Nero Cain]

maid/jj/gin/R&L-We'll see how much scum that is.

[Nero Cain]

hrmmmmmmm......

[Nero Cain]

jj continues with the hard rolefish.

[Nero Cain]

but its "role madness" so having multiple and similarish roles isn't scummy or anything. What are you getting at by needed to know his role?

[Nero Cain]

setup spec and outguessing the mod is terrible.

[Nero Cain]

you should be trying to find scum not trying to guess the setup



Who says I'm bad @ setup spec?

[Nero Cain]

ur reading is p awful.

My belief that setup spec/out guessing the mod is a modtly fruitless and futile endevor=//=me being bad at it.

[Nero Cain]

TBF, trying to figure out the setup does help the scum team alot

[Nero Cain]

vote:jj

kill this rolefisher

[Nero Cain]

He doesn't need to "confirm"

[Nero Cain]

Nero is one of the few poking anything with a stick.

[Nero Cain]

[Nero Cain]

Nero, which people you considering obv-town at this point?

no one. I feel like the only town and that this game is Nero and the 16 green pms.

[Nero Cain]

and with the removal of the obv part?

2) Innocent Children (Nancy Drew 39 & Disquieted)
4) Nicorobin
5) Mastina(1)
6) Gamma Emerald
7) Chickadee
8) Skygazer*
10) KuroiXHF(1)
11) Invisibility
12) Porkens
13) Whemestar
14) Vecna
15) Lady Angel
22) randomidget

I think these are kinda my town leans.

*her being active elsewhere on the site is really starting to bother me though

(1) I think lurk Mastina is scum Mastina. Not really sure her role really fits into things though. Kuroi just feels there. He feels so robotic. He just has no charisma? Obv if Mastina or Kuroi flip scum the other is too.

Why are you asking about my town reads?

[Nero Cain]

Do you have any plans on doing anything this game?

[Nero Cain]

god why am i always #12

b/c you aren't good enough for 11 but are better than 13

[Nero Cain]

Nearly everyone just easily townreading you is both worrysome and dangerous.

y? I'm being majorly town read b/c of meta (i think) but I'm not seeing why its "worrisome" and "dangerous" to town read me unless you think I shouldn't be town read. And if you think that I shouldn't be then you need to share with the class. I mean yeah, its possible that there are scum that are sheeping the "Nero is town" wave and if you think that then who are they? Also, I'm like the only one that's doing any scumhunting.



RM is mostly a POE town read and Pork is too tasy to be scum.

[Nero Cain]

DW Bacon, I'll protect you from the mean lawyer lady

[Nero Cain]

also more JJ votes

[Nero Cain]

@Lady

How do you feel about Sky being ative elsewhere but a lurksack here?

[Nero Cain]

y not replace out so u can like rest and not play?

[Nero Cain]

seems ominous. Would lynch.

[Nero Cain]

nero cain i trust u without reading a single one of ur posts.
hopefully this convinces u to join me on my wagon of justice.

I'm so pocketed right now. I'll reread Gamma but he's kinda way down my totem pole.

[Nero Cain]

I think JJ is scummy. Let's argue about him.

[Nero Cain]

i'm pretty sure you're wrong and that might be the only read where i'll just say that straight up about it

maid cafe's 109 + his tole fishing Nico from, a few pages ago. Of course, the inverse of that argument is that scum wouldn't blatantly rolefish that hard. Also, he seems to have had a weird drop in activity.

[Nero Cain]

I think I've only played one game with JJH. You are town reading him on activity and ok? and I think his content is scummy.

[Nero Cain]

We no lynched from the gladiate

why?

Mastina is essentially claiming an inno on Kuroi. His wagoned happened b/c like...it just did. ppl were scumreading him. It died b/c inno claim.

[Nero Cain]

{Rylai and Lina, Nicorobin, Chickadee, Titus, Invisibility, Whemestar, Vecna}
{Nosferatu, Lady Angel}

I dunno if I can see 5-6 scum here.

Like, I think LA is town. I think Chick is town.

Titus is prob scum.
Nos I could see.
R&L I could see.
Nico I guess I could kind of see if we are saying that she tries to lynch town Mastina. IDK how to read her.
Wheme is someone else that I can't really read. I guess he could be scum bur I'm not really scum reading him.

Invis I was just kinda going with the flow and someone was claiming that this was just normal invis.

Haven't really seen that angry try harding Vecna town but I'm not reall sold its scum either.


Titus, NoS, R&L, Nico and Wheme? ehhhhhhhhh....

[Nero Cain]

Are you looking for a slightly used scum read? Well, you've come to the right place! At the very affordable price of a sheep vote you can now get your very own Titus scum read!

A Titus scum read comes with the following applications

-lurking

-lazy/go with the flow/wtf Pork vote

VOTE: Porkens

Tired of deflections are us.

pork wagon is kinda meh.

Tbh, yeah. I am not 100% sure on it. Just tired of Porkens attacking obvious town over NAI or towny things. (I am from my perspective)

-very limited and bad (as all of Pork, Sky and LA are likely town) scumhunting.

*The manufacturer of said scum read is not responsible for incorrectness. Buyer assumes all responsibility and blame for a green flip. No returns or refunds.

[Nero Cain]

Don't be coasting on a decent opening, NSG.

[Nero Cain]

even nero has no real reason to tr these slots

?????

Don't be coasting on a decent opening, NSG.

at first i was kind of annoyed seeing this post but thinking about it further i actually really appreciate someone prodding me to play more like this - i think it'll end up with me putting more effort in, playing better and just overall being more satisfied with myself.

so, thanks

At first, I was rereading this and I'm still a little

I just thought it was odd that our conversation ends abruptly at 2247. I figured that you might be still reading though...

Just in case you missed it, Firebringer, Titus was absolutely in no way the cause of the porkens wagon yesterday

exactly. and thus titus is not scum.

Titus is town b/c she lied about her contributions to the game?

@Nero, I have been the reason for Porkens wagon being a thing. Hardly going with the flow to corral others.

As for your "lurking" comment, technically true due to real life and hating d1. I need content from others to analyze. If that's the basis for your scumread more so than going with the flow; I'll have to accept it for now.

Yet, why do you think I would pull out more awesome things while consistently dealing with lurkers and effectively a d1 redo?

It is d2 now though, so time to step it up.

After talking up town Titus what made you come back two hours later and tell her to post more? Also you think she's town so why do you care if she contributes?

[Nero Cain]

Yet, why do you think I would pull out more awesome things while consistently dealing with lurkers and effectively a d1 redo?

Also, what is this?

[Nero Cain]

happy birth neroc
also im mostly skimming this game wher is the scumcase for titus

thanks, guy, case is in my iso.

One of Titus, Vecna, Nero Cain, and JJh is probably scum, but I'm hesitant to vote in there because I can't figure out which one.

y are any of these scum?

Why on earth are people saying Vecna scum? Vecna is obvtown.

ok...move on.

[Nero Cain]

thanks.

[Nero Cain]

wheme is the one i am giving a gun to btw.

RIP to the town he shoots.

[Nero Cain]

So talk to me a bit about your view of Vecna.

talk about something other than Vecna?

[Nero Cain]

WHY are RM, Sky and porkens town?

I think Pork is town b/c I believe his thing about him using slayers gambit.

The only reason I think Sky has a green pm is b/c she meta dived LA and stopped her lynch. Could she do that as scum? Sure I guess but I'm going to give her a little breathing room for the time being.

yeah very smart since his pool of scumreads contains three of your townreads

TBF, Fire is giving him the gun b/c he said he'd shoot Gamma. I guess if this claim is real and Wheme gets a bullet and he shoots anyone but Gamma we prob string him up?

I think titus is town for general playstyle and type of reasoning. her being completely clueless about stuff going on but still trying to take credit for something is definately not scummy for her id say.

but I'm p sure that fake derp is part of her scum game.

[Nero Cain]

skaters gambit is terrible so is slayers gambit but skaters gambit OMG! WORST. THING. EVER!

real talk though, slayers gambit is pretty popular amongst lvl 1 players and it happens quite alot. Wh8t is this game was also claiming to do slayers gambit. He was a green pm.

[Nero Cain]

We

SHOULD

be lynching. Like sure, we can use Mastinas role a few times but I don't want to go into day whatever with the only flipped slots being scum kills.

[Nero Cain]

ok, if Wheme said he's going to shoot me and then doesn't shoot me. Do you string up Wheme yes or no?

[Nero Cain]

If Fire is giving Wheme a bullet to kill you with why should he not be leashed?

[Nero Cain]

I was gonna reread your ISO and give my final take. I have alot of ppl that are just kinda null on my "town" list b/c that's just how my mind works. I think X, X and X are scum so A, B and C are town.

What I was saying though is that Wheme saying what he needs to say to get Fire to give him bullets and then shooting not who he said looks like an agenda as in scum wanting a second kill.

[Nero Cain]

DW, the mod is lurking just as hard as most of the player list.

[Nero Cain]

One of Titus, Vecna, Nero Cain, and JJh is probably scum, but I'm hesitant to vote in there because I can't figure out which one.

y are any of these scum?

[Nero Cain]

What I was saying though is that Wheme saying what he needs to say to get Fire to give him bullets and then shooting not who he said looks like an agenda as in scum wanting a second kill.

Wait do I have the gun

each time I come back to this thread I find more reasons to dislike the current playerlist.

Probability states that not all the scum in this game can be inactive. That's about it.

this is kinda a crummy argument though I am scum reading some of the players you listed.

[Nero Cain]

vote:Skygazer

let's start lurker lynching.

[Nero Cain]

either die tonight or get power lynched d3.

[Nero Cain]

I feel like the game has stalled because people are waiting on Mastina to use her thing.

lol no

ppl are lurking b/c of one or more of the following reasons

the modding in this game is shit
they are scum
they are a green PR that wants to lurk and be useless to not eat bullets
some green pms believe that its the proper town play to just survive, very similar to the above.
there are players that don't give a shit about being pro-town as a green pm
meta play
some are actually busy or sick.
some are just bad


none of these have to do with Mastina.

[Nero Cain]

Chickadee (4): Lady Angel, Mastina, Whemestar, KuroiXHF
Porkens (3): Nicorobin, Titus, Vecna
Firebringer (2): Gamma Emerald, Porkens
Skygazer (2): Nero Cain, Invisibility
Titus (2): jjh927, Nosferatu
Gamma Emerald (2): Firebringer, Ginngie
Nero Cain (0):
Rylai and Lina (0):
jjh927 (0):
Nosferatu (0):
Vecna (0):
KuroiXHF (0):
Mastina (0):
Ginngie (0):
Innocent Children (0):
Whemestar (0):
Invisibility (0):
Nicorobin (0):
randomidget (0):

Not Voting: Sora, Shiro, Skygazer, Chickadee, northsidegal, randomidget

[Nero Cain]

opps, the Pork wagon should be @ 5 and its the leading wagon.

[Nero Cain]

Which player is doing nothing but gets called scum and instantly appears then goes back to lurking?

[Nero Cain]

YES!

[Nero Cain]

i miss Nancy :/

[Nero Cain]

the lack of votecounts makes wagoning up difficult

I don't think this is a thing at all.

[Nero Cain]

if anything its prods not going out and no one being force replaced and those that claim they don't have time to play won't replace out...though Sky and Gin just being scum is a possibility.

[Nero Cain]

I think we've hit a brick wall due to there being basically no information, really. Scum killed the confirmed town last night so we didn't have anything to go off of there.

I mean, no? Vax being confirmed town tells us nothing besides that he was town. I was actually a little surprised that he was killed b/c he seemed pretty useless. I mean, scum couldn't let him live to LYLO but he didn't seem like an immediate threat. This sort of makes me feel like scum are new and not very experienced and/or they are just really comfortable with the game state right and no one is seen as a threat to them.

[Nero Cain]

thats a little bit of a leap. Like sure ok. If Gin is scum he has very little reason to kill Mastina but it's assuming that Mastina was even considered to be a kill last night. Although a lynch would make for a nice force replace.

[Nero Cain]

Because I have at least one reason why he is scum

wanna share?

[Nero Cain]

Hi all!

I am the Right Head of The Meme Men. I will sign my posts -Right Head

Can I get a quick summary of any hardclaims, fakeclaims, or other events that would not be reflected in the vote count? Thank you!

mastina claimed to be ginnigie and is able to claim a guilty on someone to gladiate them but it only works on town
this has been confirmed on kuroi
thats all i recall? vax was deperado'd and was conf'd as well but i think he was the nk?
ok yeah

Chick is like a

fruit

video vendor and Vecna was claiming that he had an d1 post restriction and his role does some other things but'll have to look that up and Nico is a triple voter.

[Nero Cain]

My post restriction day1 was optional.

then why did you decide to use it?

[Nero Cain]

i like ur pirate hat nsg. can i have one?

(this is me prodging. sorry)

See ya in two days.

[Nero Cain]

I think Wheme has been a bit erratic and spitbally in terms of who he has voted, which is basically exactly what 3p wheme did in GSGDM

feels pretty underwhelming. Having played with town Wheme a few times this just seems like his normal playstle. Like I guess he could be scum b/c there is potential scum motivation in sitting back and just randomly doing this but I guess it just seems pretty null to me.

[Nero Cain]

Skygazer vs. NSG is lurker vs lurker goodness. Lets see who can lurk the best.

[Nero Cain]

you were town reading her and now voting her? die scum.

[Nero Cain]

but you are voting lady angel not NSG

[Nero Cain]

but she was always doing that

[Nero Cain]

Pork isn't a counter wagon?

Why is LA being an active lurker early game forgivable but its scummy now?

I'm buying into the meta-case for her being not scum.

Its also extremely hypocritical that you are a useless active prod dodging lurker and yet you are calling someone else doing that scummy.

[Nero Cain]

that's interesting because titus said as scum she tried controlling things more than as town, and she's actually been quite active as scum before. So are you lying here

She's been a lurksack as scum too. In fact my last few games that I've caught her as scum I started to suspect her b/c she WAS lurking. I mean maybe it's outdated or maybe it was she was sick/busy IRL and her "lurking" was out of her hands but accusing me of lying is gross. It's very chainsawy. What do you think about the players that voted Titus after my case and Fire who seems hesitant to join the Titus wagon?

[Nero Cain]

lets talk about how you see the rest of the game , sky.


I have

[Nero Cain]

Why did you ask me if I've played with thor?

[Nero Cain]

you do realize that Chick was the first major wagon in the game right? I mean, players still wanting to lynch that isn't that far fetched.

So who is scum on the Chick wagon?

[Nero Cain]

Also, the only reason that the Pork wagon is bigger is b/c Nico is a triple voter. Chick wagon is bigger b/c more players are voting for it. Wouldn't that make the Pork wagon the counter wagon?

[Nero Cain]

or nevermind.

[Nero Cain]

hey JJ, why are you much less active today?

[Nero Cain]

Why not post your feelings about it now?

[Nero Cain]

I am not strong on Titus scum at moment anymore and have no other reason but I thought I had a reason
Sooo

What made you change your mind? What reason did you think you had?

[Nero Cain]

Right Head,

Shiro

if you are Shiro isn't this cheating unless R&L and IC were both scum?

[Nero Cain]

oh nm, he did replace R&L. Modding is a mess.

[Nero Cain]

Why are we trying to lynch Mastina instead of just waiting for her to replace out or otherwise get force replaced?

because you are her partner thats why

b/c she's not going to replace out.

[Nero Cain]

vote: Mastina

[Nero Cain]

and it's kind of holding the game hostage.

I mean its really not though.

[Nero Cain]

y is Mastina town?

[Nero Cain]

If you believed it you'd say it twice.

[Nero Cain]

hey nero why you lurking lol

I've actually been relatively busy lately and I didn't really want to do anything until I had the time to sit down a digest all the new content.

[Nero Cain]

so creature is town

probs and thats why I'm killing him tonight. #WIFOM


but srs, that clutter factory annoys me.

[Nero Cain]

im reaching out to scum here. Kill Creature and you get my free mislynch d3.

[Nero Cain]

vote:JJ

[Nero Cain]

hey can you guys stop no lynching (or if its close unvote) so I can finish my catchup. It'll be out n just a little bit.

[Nero Cain]

No just Nero

has anyone else even voted you?

[Nero Cain]

Why are we trying to lynch Mastina instead of just waiting for her to replace out or otherwise get force replaced?

She won't replace out, and she won't be force replaced because she keeps prodging.

and it's kind of holding the game hostage.

I mean its really not though.

It kind of is if we're keeping her around to use her ability day after day until we flip her for the results.

How many votes is Mastina at?

I'm in agreement that if Mastina is too busy or too sick to play she should replace out. Scum her is also plenty capable of using RL excuses to lurk. I also think that this using her ability and no lynching is actually pretty anti-town.

"but teh confirmed town!"

Yeah, I get it but no lynching in the early game is advantage scum. We need to strike some equilibrium between lynching and using this ability. If we do use this it should be on hard to read/lynchbait/players that won't get shot like Wheme or Sky or invisibility or LA. I do have a theory but I want more data/don't want to muddy the waters so I'll post about it some other time.

my reads are aligning strongly with nsg's tbh

So NSG is the bad town you've decided to sheep.

Though TBF

been more focused on getting townreads and trying to PoE than getting scumreads, i suppose.

really makes me twitch.

Skygazer is/was ascetic

she never was.

Plus, we can just ignore sorting her because as long as she uses her ability everyday she's largely irrelevant to the thread and has a huge target painted on her back.

yeah, we won't be doing this.

In case it is unclear, at this point the only policy lynch that I will humor is a BoP lynch.

Who would you use BOP on? BOP is a trash argument anyways.

Fuck all

Town don't automatically have good reads

Well, it also says that you are ignoring your supposed team.

jjh and jingle are scum together.

fixed.

[Nero Cain]

jjh and jingle are scum together.

fixed.

- Jingle and jjh

Mindmeld!

[Nero Cain]

oh, but in my current tinfoil, I think Mastina is a green pm.

[Nero Cain]

no, its not b/c of role.

[Nero Cain]

Burden of Proefincy which is basically "you're to good to have not lynched scum thus YOU are scum!" but uhhh...I don't think Jingle is using it right?

[Nero Cain]

like in 2739 said he'd be willing to PL based on BoP .

I asked him who he'd use it/apply it too.

He said Vecna but that it would confirm him and doesn't kill him. And then white knights him.

but like...that's not how a policy lynch using BOP works. So I'm mostly just confused with a side of b/c I feel like Jingle is just using strongly worded bullshit to make himself sound smart.

Also lol @ Vecna as good town.

[Nero Cain]

What's even the point of this when you can't even lynch scum?

I mean its scumhunting and it's not like you've lynched any scum and I wasn't apart of the chick misslynch wagon.

[Nero Cain]

ok...so if you are using BOP to policy Vecna how does that confirm him but not kill him?

[Nero Cain]

vote:NSG

[Nero Cain]

If NicoRobin has a guilty, me and Jingle will probably come to some kind of agreement with regards to the best mechanical way of resolving it depending on the specifics and all you have to do is follow that best mechanical way

If nicorobin has a guilty then you lynch Mastina period. There's not a need to discuss that

[Nero Cain]

no, you keep saying fucking dumb shit.

[Nero Cain]

oh noes! I have 4 hours till prod.

I don't really have a reason to believe or disbelieve Nico's claim. The only thing that slightly bothers me is that she's been tunneling Mastina all game and not push anyone else. Kind of makes me think this is SvS as opposed to Nico being scum w/out Mastina.

I'm also not fully caught up though.

[Nero Cain]

what i am saying is that there was never any pretense of a case in the first place

then why would you vote someone you don't scumread?

Yes, you said "I still scumread him" but those/that reason(s) are/is a case.

I like where my vote is at even if it makes my skin crawl that Sky is also voting you.

[Nero Cain]

Varsoon replaces Titus.

{Sky, Porkens, jjh, Whemestar, Firebringer, KuroiXHF, Vecna}
{Mememen, Nicorobin, Chickadee, Titus, Invisibility, randomidget, GE, Ginngie, Nero Cain, Mastina}
{Nosferatu, Lady Angel}

like TBF, Titus was dead null for you and her content was fairly scummy when she was her but what made her leapfrog 8 other scummier reads here?

[Nero Cain]

Either way, we shouldn't be lynching rn, we should be gladiating.

remind me why?

[Nero Cain]

Why not just lynch Mastina so we don't have to deal with this?

[Nero Cain]

see, the thing is we gotta run her up so she gladiates instead of letting her let the down argue and bicker and descend into chaos...hey maybe she is scum after all.

[Nero Cain]

vote:Mastina

[Nero Cain]

scum 1 and 2

[Nero Cain]

I'd like to see a jingle gladiate

[Nero Cain]

What if I didn't think you were scum and just wanted you confirmed? u scum that's daring me to prove u r scum?

[Nero Cain]

NSG is playing to lurkmeta.

is that scum or town or null?

[Nero Cain]

Why can't mastina be scum and know Nico is town?

[Nero Cain]

kinda. I kinda like 'soon for some reason. Why ask me about him?

[Nero Cain]

THAT

's your big take away from 300+ posts?

idk, none of Varsoon's posts really ping me. Jingle is right though, he needs to start sorting more. but I also don't think I've ever said anything about me town reading Varsoon so its like you are putting words into my mouth.

[Nero Cain]

It's one of the things that stand out most from your slot.

I'll admit that when I read this I misread it as you accusing me of changing my Titus before I said anything. Your slot has a strange fascination with how I read Titus' slot. You went from accusing me of lying about her meta to sheeping me to randomly asking if Varsoon has changed my view of the slot.

[Nero Cain]

im completely against an NSG lynch (wait is NSG in this game?)

why are you against the lynch of someone you forgot is in the game? Maybe their lack of presence is a good reason why they should get lynched/gladiated?

why nsg

b/c she's active lurking and her scum hunting is wishy-washy.

[Nero Cain]

but if you freeze votes then ppl have to do things.

[Nero Cain]

i assumed that he's making an unfunny troll

[Nero Cain]

Mastina could literally speed this game up but she doesn't care to do so. So it kinda looks she's scum just sitting back and letting this game spiral out of control. Also the ppl not doing anything aren't being pressured by her or anyone but me.

[Nero Cain]

Well, what I've been thinking is that us no lynching is actually helping the scum team alot and jingle wanting us to continue to use the gladiate and no lynch is pro-scum.

[Nero Cain]

I mean, even if Mastina is town we could just rando gladiate and we'd be fine I think. There's literally no point in scum hunt and give the scum team information.

[Nero Cain]

but yelling, oh "no one is scumhunting" No one is scumhunting b/c Mastina isn't pressuring anyone with her investigate so scum is sitting back and doing nothing.

[Nero Cain]

no, Jingle is too busy bitching about no one scumhunting and not pressuring anyone.

[Nero Cain]

How do you find scum in a game of mafia?

but I've been pushing my reads and giving my opinions on the game. I'm not the problem.

[Nero Cain]

right but there's not and it takes more than me to do shit. Mastina needs to start pressuring ppl or if she's still sick or busy or w/e she needs to replace out.

[Nero Cain]

the op isn't updated b/c our two mods are lazier than the playerlist.

[Nero Cain]

^

[Nero Cain]

And if she doesn’t we hammer her for delaying and obstructing the game

isn't she already doing that?

[Nero Cain]

like I'm a pretty firm believer in Mastina should be doing more than relying on the town to do shit for her.

[Nero Cain]

All I keep hearing from Jingle is "let me give you a question with an obvious answer and you have to defend against that obvious answer or I'm right." His posts are so pointed and manipulative.

[Nero Cain]

counter argument: town are full of suck

[Nero Cain]

Didn't Yume just use to lurk and flake?

[Nero Cain]

She's a scum mastermind

not really.

Like, my first time seeing her in a towngame I was thoroughly underwhelmed and I get the same feeling form her here.

you think a scum "mastermind" couldn't fool you? I'm getting the same star wars vibe-she was scum that game.

[Nero Cain]

I would prefer a happy medium but if forced to choose between the lesser of the two, I'll choose the one which gives us the greater amount of time, content, and information to make a more informed decision.

And anybody who thinks otherwise is an absolute moron, because that is just self-evidently the right call to make.

And why do you think it needs to be me?

Why can't THE TOWN pressure people?

Especially since I have stated multiple times that even if I really don't like it I'll use it on the player THE TOWN dictates?

Answer me that.

Why does it need to be me?

Ok, here's the thing. There are alot of players doing shit. Some of those players are town, some of those players are scum. The few players that ARE being active are either not enough to presure inactive slots and/or are bickering amongst themselves. Your role grants you the authority and power to do that and a town you

SHOULD

be doing that.

[Nero Cain]

less clutter

[Nero Cain]

I have you in my useless troll pile.

[Nero Cain]

but real talk, your lady angel vote kinda stinks.

[Nero Cain]

but you meta defended her and then "well, she kept active lurking" but its like she was already active lurking when you meta defended her and it's not like her meta would have changed so you're basically saying that she's playing to her town meta but b/c she's still active lurking she's "scummy"
Your logic is all over the place and makes no sense what-so-ever

[Nero Cain]

if you thought that then what was the whole point of meta town reading LA and trying to stop her wagon?

[Nero Cain]

show me the game that you got burnt by meta

[Nero Cain]

I'm still a bit skeptical that you felt like it was right to meta town read LA and then you incorrectly meta read someone in a game and then it's like "oh noes, my core is so shook!"

[Nero Cain]

but your only reason to scum read her is "active lurking" and that's a bit hypocritical and dated and a very easy accusation to make.

[Nero Cain]

nero i think ur town but if i had a dayvig id use it on you in an instant

how town of you

like i have the gut vibe that ur more concerned about ur appearance than town should be

I'm not really seeing that.

[Nero Cain]

tell me your thoughts on skygazer?

[Nero Cain]

What about you JJ and Vecna?

[Nero Cain]

What about me?
JJ's town, been over that.
Vecna, though, I don't know how to feel about. I don't like their play or their logic.

I'm asking JJ and Vecna their thoughts on Skygazer.

[Nero Cain]

How do you feel about skygazer, JJ?

[Nero Cain]

I sort of feel like scum is going to be in.

1) The MEME Men
2) Northsidegal
3) Firebringer
5) Mastina
8) Skygazer
9) Varsoon
18) Jingle
21) jjh927

I didn't really like R&Lthat much and meme seems pretty useless.

NSG being a lurksack bothers me. I liked their entrance into the game but when shit got real (me trying to discuss reads with her) she left abruptly and that was weird.

Didn't really like Bee and Maria being a lurker and then flaking out. Fire is way-way more active than my last town game with him.

I've been going back and forth on sky for a while but I think I've decided that her whines about me scum reading her or tunneling her or whatever she wants to use are the sounds scum make.

I didn't really like Titus much but I thought Varsoon was kinda null. I was agreeing with whomever said he needed to starting doing more. I know its a little bit OMGUSY and all but him town reading me and then wanting to have my gladiated was a really weird switch in opinion.

I like 0% of what Jingle is pushing. "We need to let Mastina gladiate for 5 days you guys."

I kinda forgot why I was scumreading JJ or maybe I'm not and just annoyed.

[Nero Cain]

HURT: Jingle, Skygazer, NSG

[Nero Cain]

Nero: what do you mean "A Titus scum read comes with the following applications
-lurking

-lazy/go with the flow/wtf Pork vote"

that's interesting because titus said as scum she tried controlling things more than as town, and she's actually been quite active as scum before. So are you lying here

nero - i've been consulting with Right Head regarding your Titus question and other reads, and we'll post about that once we reached a conclusion

Vote Titus

Actually, I'd like to hear more about the progression of accusing me of lying/light defending Titus to voting her.

[Nero Cain]

I think Jingles plan is almost alright, I just have a mathematical beef with it

then y are you wanting him gladiated?

idk man, I have a bad feeling about this.

I feel like no lynching for days is just letting scum skate by.

of course, the counter-argument is "BUT THE CONFIRMS!" and "THINK OF THE X% CHANCE TO GET A GUILTY!"

[Nero Cain]

thought Varsoon would at least have a reaction to being scum read.

[Nero Cain]

Yeah, town should do that--but they should do it without relying on the crutch of a role to do so.

So a failure to do so is not something you can pin blame on me for; it's a collective failure. Am I without blame, no, I am part of the collective, but I am not the entirety of it so stop pretending I am.

Yes, yes you are. You need to stop dragging your feet. You three (you, Jingle and Vecna) moaning that most of the players are doing shit all when they are doing shit all B/C you are not gladiating them.

We are also almost at deadline and Jingle is in the lead.

STOP. DRAGGING. YOUR. FEET.

[Nero Cain]

With 20 alive, 11 is the proposed Gladiate Threshhold. If you want to reduce or increase the threshold, please indicate as such.

Mastina, a player that barely posts as it is...IDK, I just think its idiotic that you're like "don't gladiate until 11!" If she doesn't gladiate today I want her dead.

[Nero Cain]

Keep in mind I wasn't the one who came up with the idea of gladiating every day--that was you.

I can maybe, MAYBE use this as a conditional cop, IF we can no-lynch after a gladiate (I need to ask RC about this), but if not, yeahhhhh...

I mean, you kind of flaunted the idea of using your role as a day cop. Did you, as town, really think about NOT using it every day? Like, idk, If I knew I was a town loyal gladiator and thus a public day cop with the only minor drawback being that we no lynched I'd WANT to use it every day. The way you worded it makes it sound like you didn't think about that which is kinda

[Nero Cain]

I mean, I'd play. I was thinking about pming a list mod last night and asking them to ban RC from playing in games until he actually mods this. But I also wouldn't be sad if this game got called.

[Nero Cain]

I agree with Varsoon that semi-freguent VC's even if it hasn't changed much is a good idea.

My #1 advice would be more strict on your prods. As of right eight both NSG and Ari are nearing not posting here for 3 days when they should have been prodded hours ago. Earlier (I could be wrong though) Mastina was at 4 days without being prodded and this has been going on for awhile now.

[Nero Cain]

Stop being a Mastina apologist. Its wrong, icky and scummy.

Like I'm agreeing that this playerlist is full of useless lurks sacks. That's not her problem. What

IS

the problem is that she's not using her role and authority to fix that.

[Nero Cain]

"but the others players aren't doing anything."

it's not the excuse for Mastina to do nothing that you two think it is.

[Nero Cain]

and even if you wanna say who she gladiates is confirmed town...does it really matter who the 5 confirms are?

[Nero Cain]

vote: Mastina

my vote rests here, she can either gladiate or get lynched. Doesn't matter.

[Nero Cain]

Trying to argue with mastina here over game theory is even less useful than trying to convince whichever ones of the "Let's lynch mastina" proponents are town that they're being idiots.

What game theory am I arguing?

[Nero Cain]

Let's policy lynch mastina for not solving all of the world's problems.

but also your mocking requote sounds like a wonderful idea.

[Nero Cain]

@RC

-Why is updating the op so hard?

[Nero Cain]

Mastina gladiated in both cases with less than 48 hours on the clock. The first 'wagon' was at L-6. The second was at L-4. Neither of those were healthy wagons. Look at the posting around them. Both were plagued by "Why are we lynching here?" They were shit lynches on what is presumably town. There were no real counterwagons.

ok? but getting 20+ idiots to all agree on alot of the same things is just a futile endeavor.

Mastina should be leading when she chooses not to.

Town are going to be wrong alot of times as well so you (and presumably her) wanting more VCA input seems like a scum attempt to smear more people that have been wrong.

[Nero Cain]

yeah, it is. didn't know you were on phone.

[Nero Cain]

How the fuck do you catch scum if not by judging what people say and do?

ppl are already saying and doing or not doing things. We can still judge them based on that so it's not like we really "need" these wagons before Mastina gladiats to be able to scum hunt. You two have a REALLY REALLY rigid view of this game and that's extremely worrisome.

[Nero Cain]

My original thought was that Jingle was scum and the no lynches helped his team so he's treating Mastina like the 6th/7th scum member.

But then I also kinda think Mastina is pretty scummy so...

[Nero Cain]

hey guys, lets lynch NSG.

vote:NSG

[Nero Cain]

So good to have motivation to play this again

Why does the Varsoon death make you motivated?

Whats your thoughts on Nero and Creature given this new info JJH?

Or maybe you could explain why you are misreading me again instead of hedging like a coward.

[Nero Cain]

Nero: what do you mean "A Titus scum read comes with the following applications
-lurking

-lazy/go with the flow/wtf Pork vote"

that's interesting because titus said as scum she tried controlling things more than as town, and she's actually been quite active as scum before. So are you lying here

nero - i've been consulting with Right Head regarding your Titus question and other reads, and we'll post about that once we reached a conclusion

Vote Titus

Actually, I'd like to hear more about the progression of accusing me of lying/light defending Titus to voting her.

[Nero Cain]

but that's not my main motivation

What is?