Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[Chara]

my call for Elsa to hide behind scummy players was when i thought Hiders were almost always weak. i've never encountered one that wasn't. obviously i'm wrong but Elsa dying at night is still best-case.

[Chara]

it matters. i think it was right to not lynch Mala earlier even though i wanted to. if we can eliminate Elsa without using up a mislynch that's one more town-controlled kill for us.
i want town Elsa to know that removing himself from the game is better than being lynched, for town.

i'm not looking forward to rereading this game to see who defended/soft-defended Ethos slot besides me and Rational, but it's a good idea.

[Chara]

let's check Jaber.

pedit: love you, Nancy.

[Chara]

i am very sick.
VOTE: Tails

[Chara]

also. i haven't decided yet, but nearly all of town PRs are out and we could potentially flavour solve this. my worry is putting us in an unwinnable situation, and Jingle's attempts to gain trust are only making me mistrust, though i acknowledge he's probably just a mason. gut is broken.

pedit: thank you. <3

[Chara]

because we do. it's just me and what, 3 or 4 other players who haven't claimed? flavour connection to the game is strong. potentially we could flavour solve but i don't know if that's a good idea yet.

[Chara]

makes sense to me.

[Chara]

i don't see why you didn't try to draw the nk to begin with. the neutral claim alone makes you a very low priority shot, redacting it does nothing but add suspicion.

[Chara]

you're a hider. town hiders who don't die on scum (have you answered if you do yet?) should be drawing the nightkill because that's the only thing your PR does.

[Chara]

you're a hider. town hiders who don't die on scum (have you answered if you do yet?) should be drawing the nightkill because that's the only thing your PR does.

What makes you think I claimed town or neutral hider?

you didn't. you claimed something else that made you an unattractive nightkill target.

[Chara]

Toog: because Thor died. though i don't think Elsa is town anyway.

Cheeky: i'm more active today?

i don't think i'll be able to put in enough effort today for the outcome to be something besides a Tails lynch or a wagon on me. i'll still be around though.

this might save time or it might not: my claim would easily prove i'm town, but i'm not going to make it without a good reason. if i didn't know this i'm sure i'd be a lot more antsy from Cheeky's desire to lynch me, but as it stands i'm pretty fine with whatever. also sickness may contribute to that but i was feeling fine before.

today is Rational sheep day. Cheeky's reasoning on me being HoB is good reasoning, just happens to be wrong in this case. good call on Skygazer as well so if she's stuck between me and Tails, i'm happy with Tails.

[Chara]

and massclaim is more beneficial if we can actually take advantage of it while having mislynches left. that much is true. and Jingle's right about trapping scum in claims too.

pedit: he might have? personally i think Elsa is a weird shot for scum to make considering the distrust there and his claim.

[Chara]

i also think they're town! and considering that's from reading 3 different heads, i'm pretty confident.

[Chara]

9 members of the Serenity crew in the show.

[Chara]

4050 kind of ruined my Jingle paranoia. thank you Jingle.

[Chara]

this is the unfortunate part of the game where major mechanic speculation induces me to zone out.

[Chara]

A50: If you can, how would you resolve the interactions between a lightning rod and the jailkeep ability displayed in the HoB flip we have?

-Cerb

IF JK is targeting LR, LR will blocked. If JK is targeting someone else, LR attracts JK,

then

JK will be on LR.

In the first scenario (from my PoV) it's the JK that initially affects the LR and not vise versa (JK already targeting LR), so JK resolves first.

In the second scenario, obviously it's the LR that affects the JK and not vise versa, so the LR resolves first.

just in case you haven't seen this Nancy.

[Chara]

1 post in over 24 hours? Are we just resigned to lynching Tails, cuz he's kinda low priority in my opinion. I'd much rather lynch the compulsive liar Elsa personally, but anyone from this list seems better to me:

Elsa
CheekyTeeky
RightKnight
Chara
Malakitten

It's mostly PoE from my perspective, with malakitten thrown on because they can't win unless we throw them a bone and figure out who Mal 100% is. Digging deeper, I'd throw in...

Chickadee
Reasonably Rational
Tails

...but that's pretty much the end of my "to lynch" list.

I am kinda happy about the low post count.

I get to try to catch up on this behemoth thread.

Kinda curious though: Mala is a claimed 3P.

As much as I like playing with her your ordered list seems odd.

~~Math

Well, we obviously can’t be HoB, based on McMenno spew, so no I don’t get it at all. lol:

Also, RC ISO seems so obviously town RC. Also, I think Elsa is extremely unlikely to be HoB, based on Hider claim, because I think it’s very probable that it explains the missing Thor kill.

~N

i'm townreading you, but i really don't think it's correct to dismiss every one of the players McMenno said he was scumreading as HoB. throwing out a scumread on a partner (especially with no pressure to push it) is just about the easiest form of distancing there is.

[Chara]

Yes but if Nico/Tails is HoB, wouldn’t that affect this - since Nico very likely never submitted an NA?

that's assuming Tails is telling the truth about that. Nico was still active enough to say hello to avoid the prod timer.

and most mods allow one member of a scumteam to submit the entire team's actions. McMenno could have easily done that.

[Chara]

Spoiler: Chara only, read at your peril

DUDE WTF DO YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR AVOIDING SPOILERS
CHANGE THE AVATAR

Spoiler: Gamma only

this isn't a spoiler. it's a still image of the main character of a game past the slated 24 hours wait time.

pedit: don't worry, it isn't game-related.

[Chara]

yay.
i'm fine with a massclaim.

[Chara]

in light of Tails flipping last HoB i would like to not claim first. there are better slots to put there.

[Chara]

happy birthday Drixx!

[Chara]

I would like BuJaber, Toog, Math/Nancy to full claim first.

i like this order. having Knight a little later on is good as well.
my scumreads are all rather... dead.

[Chara]

why am i first? i was under the impression i was an HoB candidate. this has been proven false.

[Chara]

and Rational has not claimed, but that has zero bearing on their towniness. they all but confirmed it by pointing out something that only town should be aware of, before any other slot.

[Chara]

BuJaber
Toogeloo
RightKnight
Elsa Jay
CheekyTeeky
Chara
Reasonably Rational
Chickadee
Gamma Emerald
Jingle

Flicker's full-claimed already, correct? i think Mala has too and i'm not sure of the utility of asking Mala to claim anyway.

if someone else has full-claimed (i mean all information in PM, not just a role), that's on me for forgetting.


order is top to bottom if that wasn't clear. thoughts?

pedit: right. role, actions, and

all

possible flavour-identifying information that your PM does contain. paraphrased of course.

[Chara]

actually, i want Elsa Jay to go first.

[Chara]

i didn't say you don't get an opinion. i just don't believe making you claim more than you have is necessary at this point.

[Chara]

actually, i want Elsa Jay to go first.

What do you mean by this?

i mean that i'd like you to take a look at your role PM, then tell us what it says without quoting it. in some circles, this is known as a fullclaim. sorry that i was confusing!

[Chara]

Didn't I correct it in thread yesterday? I did nothing last night.

did you answer whether or not you die when you hide on scum?

[Chara]

I would like BuJaber, Toog, Math/Nancy to full claim first.

I'm already full claimed, and as of today I'm pretty much just a Vanilla Bean.

I'm nothing more than a Lightning Rod for those of you thinking I was a JoaT or some such.

no flavour hints in your PM?

[Chara]

if anyone has it, could someone link me Jingle and Gamma's claims?

[Chara]

i would rather you waited, but it's your choice Cheeky.

[Chara]

i do have some setup spec but i'd like to hold onto that until we have all of the claims.
Bujaber's softed but as far as i know has not claimed anything. i also softed, i don't think it matters.
i at least want Jaber to claim before Cheeky.

[Chara]

Jingle, forgive me for asking the obvious, but when did Chick investigate Jaber? i might have missed her post about it today.

[Chara]

right, thank you.
if i remember correctly, Jaber claimed his role PM had no flavour at all, correct? unlike Ari's for Jayne.
i think it's important he fullclaims.

[Chara]

Mal - ? (may be Bujaber? he staunchly refused to have any flavour at all in his role PM, however.)
Zoe & Wash - Jingle and Gamma
Kaylee - ?
Jayne - Ari
Inara - I would guess Rational.
Book - Best guess is Flicker.
River - Chickadee makes a lot of sense.
Simon - a protective hiding somewhere.

there might be more town than this, there may not be.

this post is mainly for me.

[Chara]

Niska makes the most sense as a Reynolds Lyncher imo.

I do not have any additional flavor, not even the tidbit about being a member of the Serenity Crew after the redacted part. My theory on this is that only 5 people have that tidbit, Mal, Zoe, Wash, Kaylee, and Jayne since they are the actual crew compliment of the Serenity.

is this true?
it would account for the apparent lack of crew members.

[Chara]

so you're a doctor, but also a crew member, which Simon according to Toog is not? hm. i don't know who you would be then or if that's right to begin with.

i'm also specifically a crew member. that's why i knew what Rational was referring to with the extra flavour.
and i'm Loved. that's all.

[Chara]

before anyone says "let's test that", at least make sure both Elsa and Mala are on the wagon before you take me to L-1? thank you.

[Chara]

oh and i'm not loved in mylo/lylo.

[Chara]

i don't agree. i think the flavour is especially relevant due to Rational being explicitly not a crew member.
but i don't know enough to say which of the crew Cheeky would fit as... besides the actual doctor.

[Chara]

speaking of being too literal, does Simon

have

to be a doctor? Kaylee's a mechanic if i recall, that might work.

[Chara]

i'm not Inara, she isn't a member of the crew.

[Chara]

we have threats left because the game hasn't ended.
Mala might end the game if she wins. we only have her word that it won't. it's not a risk that i'm willing to take.
i personally don't know if it's likely that she lied about leaving the game, but it simply isn't anything to trust.

[Chara]

and if we assume Jaber's claim is accurate, it lends even more credence to Mal's death being a

bad thing

.

[Chara]

VOTE: Malakittens
sorry, Mala. it's just too backwards to me to purposely lynch Mal. especially when he might be me.

[Chara]

so, Almost has confirmed to me that any 3Ps have standard win-conditions.
so, Mala probably won't kill us. great!
unfortunately i still don't agree with lynching Mal on purpose.

[Chara]

i wouldn't mind having Toog or myself scanned. but if there's something better i'd hear it.

[Chara]

assuming Mala is lyncher and Elsa is survivor... we have more scum to find. the game would have ended already otherwise, we don't need to wait for a nightkill to know that. or help Mala. let's use our lynch to find the final threat(s).
Knight's claim is probably the most suspect?
i have a theory that i'm Mal, and Cheeky is Kaylee. that would account for us being crewmembers. we don't have RR's claim but he would be one of the 4 remaining, likely not Simon and not River because i believe Chick is River.

[Chara]

did scum try and kill Chickadee? i'm struggling to remember action claims towards her from night 2.

[Chara]

this result also looks good for Flicker town. i don't see scum witholding their shot on night 3. was already townreading Flicker however.

[Chara]

RR motion-detected someone targeting Chickadee on day 2.

[Chara]

hat could resolve whether there's still any night killing roles left, or whether Mala is the only "threat to town" left. I know Cheeky's

i already have confirmation from the mod that a lyncher would not constitute a threat to town.
so Mala would only be a threat if she isn't a lyncher, which i find unlikely.

[Chara]

i don't think we have a vig. there aren't enough kills any night.

[Chara]

Targeting Chick doesn't nessesarily mean she was a kill target does it?

Afawk, only RR has claimed anything non-doc related wrt to NAs. And like I already said, she obviously couldn’t have been roleblocked right or she would have know it and no one has claimed anything else - unless someone is either lying or failing to be forthcoming.

Chick's a day flavour cop, not a night one. she woupdn't have noticed.
and scum wouldn't have roleblocked a day PR.

[Chara]

When did RR claim MD? But even if true, it doesn’t mean that Chick wasn’t targeted with an NK, because if Tails did JK her, then it obviously doesn’t prove she couldn’t have been targeted. But then who killed Thor? No one to my knowledge has claimed vig, unless I missed it?

Rational claimed MD the page before this one.

HoB might have killed Thor. or our last threat to town.

[Chara]

oh, the standard wincon for a Lyncher is if they're the only anti-town element left in the game, they just lose.

[Chara]

all i know is i'm very interested to see the setup and scum's night action choices that resulted in no town kills. we did lynch Ari however, sorry Ari. but then he murdered Ethos so it was wonderful.

[Chara]

the game would have ended already otherwise

?

Almost confirmed to me that if a lyncher is the only anti-town element left, the lyncher just loses. this is from the wiki.
it's the same for a survivor. if elsa's wincon is just to survive, then we shouldn't need to kill him.
assuming both of the claims are true, the game should be over if there's no other threats to town, with Elsa winning with us and Mala failing to lynch Mal.
the fact that the game continues means there are more threats.
whether that's some other party, or one of Elsa/Mala lying, that i can't say for certain.

[Chara]

So the optimal strategy for town in a game with survivor claims is to hope the survivor is telling the truth. Got it, thanks for being honest at least.

haha.

this is why i suggest third parties stay hidden. funnily enough, claiming that you aren't town and asking town to be nice and let you win is not optimal strategy!

[Chara]

Great so I’m losing either way because we aren’t going to lynch mal.

Yet town is so fucking ahead it’s crazy

Actually, it looks like Lyncher is incompatible with town the way I intended to have you win anyway. A50 confirmed this to me when I asked to double check Chara.

Sorry, Mala.

you wanted to eliminate all scum and then give Mala the win too, i assume?
yes, there's no way to do it without purposely leaving a scum alive first, which is not worth the risk in my opinion.

[Chara]

You could just admit you just want to hang me because you Don't like me and dont bullshit about it being strategically sound.

this is rather ridiculous. you aren't town.

[Chara]

Simon - CheekyTeeky (even though her role PM has "member of the crew," which doesn't seem to fit)

This is why I lowkey suspect the masons because Chara and I could be those characters. I could be zoe and chara could be wash but there's no other protective claims that nullify my being the actual doctor. I think A50 might've just said "a part of the serenity crew" randomly for any main character on the ship so it could be that you're all reading too much into the flavour.

i thought this, but then who would Mal and Kaylee be?
and Jingle did sort of conftown himself anyway by knowing what the missing flavour was. no one said it beforehand.

[Chara]

regardless of flavour, you can lynch Cheeky over my dead body. lynching her for setup spec at any time is silly, anyway.
i do understand the speculation, but i doubt it will ever come up.

[Chara]

lynching Knight makes the most sense here, but i'm really townreading them.

VOTE: Elsa
thinking this was a gambit makes a lot more sense than thinking the masons were (which i did), that's for certain.

[Chara]

lynching Knight makes the most sense here, but i'm really townreading them.

VOTE: Elsa
thinking this was a gambit makes a lot more sense than thinking the masons were (which i did), that's for certain.

I am astounded by the amount of stuff that is in this short post.

what do you mean?

[Chara]

i also enjoy larger games. i joined because of the playerlist and the mod. <3
i don't think scum needed more power, but the flavour did really mess with them. it made figuring out who had to be town easier than it should have been.

[Chara]

but I know I am an ass.

Anyone who call themselves an ass are most definitely not.

Agree to disagree on that.

agree to agree with Elsa.
not that i think Toog is an ass!