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You gonna share with the class or...?In post 1749, Shoshin the worst wrote:Auro did a thing I don't think scum!Auro does. Gonna treat Michael like they're town for now and reassess later if I need to.
Also, ever gonna expand on that Taly read from before?
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In post 177, Shoshin the worst wrote:if you could give taly a quick ISO then ctrl+f "taly" in our iso I think you'll get the gist of it. I'm not fully ready to reveal what we've picked up on QUITE yet.
...ready now?
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In post 501, Shoshin the worst wrote:In response to your concerns, Varsoon:
2. the worst has a long history of holding back his reasoning on reads until much later in the game (e.g. in Labyrinth where he gave a read on D1, then refused to explain that read until somewhere around D4), and I often hold back reasoning as well for shorter stretches of time to test reactions. In Taly's case, we've discussed his behavior/meta extensively in our hydra PM and promise everything will be explained before end of D1.
-the worst & Shoshin
...before the end of D1?
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In post 719, Shoshin the worst wrote:In post 713, Varsoon wrote:onsidering just PoEing the game around you or suggesting a policy lynch.
For the hundred billionth time, we are not ready to explain our taly read yet. I'm sorry if this is genuinely so vexing to you that it's paralysing you from doing anything else. But we're not gonna compromise our chance to sort the slot.
...mmmm.
Still waiting.
P-EDIT: Can you link to where you explained it? I'm digging your ISO 'cus apparently I missed it, ay.
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In post 996, Shoshin the worst wrote:
Taly's RVS post is what originally scumpinged me.In post 43, Taly wrote: so much opportunity to get pocketed!!
._. im gonna have to reread that playerlist movement night action stuff arent i?
not feeling thekokichiIC claim but i slight townvibe it anyway
VOTE: Almost Chara
RVS is bullshit but square up w me, both heads now
~ Taly
I don't think he's really done anything outside his scumrange (not anything particularly towny). Taly do you disagree? If I'm grossly misreading you here, help me see where I'm wrong. A lot your defence of yourself & probing of other slots has kind of skated around the centre; the way you do as scum (e.g. PYPX/Y).
> the pocketed comment & the thing wrt rereading playerlist movement just feels forced and stiff. I think there's a hesitation in Taly's tonality through the thread, so far, which I can't not notice.
> the comment about not feeling Kokichi's IC claim but townvibing it is absolutely bizarre. I can see this coming from someone who played SCM1 and liked the laissez-faire comedic entry to the thread but I literally can't see any reason to be townpinged by Kokichi lolclaiming IC and then lurking it out. This doesn't feel like critical reading so much as an agenda/TMI'd read and I think it's the kind of slip-up scum do make while still in RVS.
> RVS bullshit thing is incredibly forced (fwiw voting AC in rvs doesn't seem beneficial to me but I feel like I'm the only person onsite who enjoys RVS for content)
Is it really just "His RVS post scumpinged me."
Like
Is that really why you were so evasive on taking a hard scumread there early?
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Don't you think Taly's posts would be even more unbiased if you hadn't claimed a scumread on the slot or been elusive about saying why you were scumreading it?
If you had just straightforwardly addressed what was scummy (I'm still not even sure what post 'scumpinged' you), that seems like the proper way of doing things.
It really seems like you just made up a reason to have what seemed like an informed read, and then used that to position re: a townslot you knew you could drag down.
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I thought you were scum.
The last time that someone I had a scumread on pulled the same sort of "I have a scumread but won't explain why" stuff, I really wanted them lynched over it but they got away with it, replaced out, and their replacement went on to win the game because no one would listen to me.
Now that I have the power to stamp out players who I think are scum, I'm going to use it.
I'm not great at convincing people of things. More than one player has expressed why my points on you aren't convincing. It's really disheartening and I was hoping that I'd at least get to exert some level of control over the game before eating the NK.
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It's not the only bit of umbrage I took with how ya'll have been approaching the game.
OF COURSE I'm going to be hyper-critical of your slot; you both just pulled a fucking win on me in a game where neither of you should've and I folded over on my judgment because I figured, "Fuck me, I can be wrong sometimes, I'm probably wrong here; everyone's telling me I'm wrong, I shouldn't die on this mountain."
And OF COURSE you're going to both be hyper-aware of how you JUST PLAYED in SC1, since there's so many people here who are coming from that game.
I really can't townread how either of you have played; both as a unit and as individuals here. It's too calculated, too posturing, too 'have an answer for everything'. I don't like how the wagons have interacted in regards to the early buildup on you, the slough off, and how hard it's been to reignite a wagon on you. It's wild. It just doesn't feel right to me.
There's a lot of things, but end of the day, I've got a lot of confident townreads and you're my most confident scumread.
S'why I'm stuck on you like this.
Sorry if I fucked up or got tilted.
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I don't know if you ever addressed this, MephistoIn post 1745, Varsoon wrote:Why's JJH a better wagon now?
Also, I could drop like 20 scumtells right now, want me to?
Tells are garbage, meta's unreliable in forum mafia, etc. etc.
I'm the dude that got banned for making it reliable
You think people would listen to me on that point
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People are listening.
Make your case.
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Pfft as if, I would've already put you in the dirtIn post 1814, Shoshin the worst wrote:If this was like Echo Bay Grits SEO I'd vig Eraserhead right now fyi
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Big sigh
We can't let STW get away with this
If we do
They'll keep getting away with it
They'll just win again
Fuck all of you for letting that happen once
I'm not gonna let it happen again
I SHOT THEM
THEY DID NOT DIE
Come onnnnn
just lynch STW
Don't let them survive
Because I won't make it through the night
and it feels like I AM THE ONLY ONE fighting for their lynch
And I don't want to lose to those guys again
Ever
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Yeah, this is true.In post 1955, pinturicchio wrote:
The vig counter claiming you would be an awful move from the vig. But I don't think you're a lyncher; I've seen you tunnel like this. You're more lyncher than a lyncher.In post 1954, Varsoon wrote:If I was a lyncher, the real vig would counter-claim and I'd be destroyed.
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The real defense I should prop versus lyncher spec is the setup is mod confirmed to only have town and scum in it.
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@URAP2: Proflavor, by my count, only has 4 people who have vocalized support for the wagon. It's not going to happen within 8 hours. Put your vote to better use.
I'm not asking you to like them, I'm asking you to compromise because otherwise we get no lynch.In post 1995, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Well, I don’t like either Stw or Kokichi wagons.In post 1941, Varsoon wrote:We are not swinging a last-minute wagon on Proflavor.
That wagon does not have the vocal support for a majority vote.
Please stop supporting vanity wagons in the last 24 hours we have.
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Will you never drop the fact that I pushed for a lynch on town, as town, once? I even changed my mind RIGHTFULLY, too, so I don't get why you're so hung up on me being WRONG ONCE in a way that DID NOT EVEN AFFECT THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME because we DID NOT LYNCH YOU and I CAME AROUND TO A CORRECT TOWNREAD ON YOU. I don't understand why this is something you keep bringing up over and over. Yeah, I'm sorry that I couldn't magically divine that you weren't scum the ENTIRE GAME that time because I was playing from a position of having barely information and based on the information I had, it looked like you were scum baiting me for awhile.In post 2005, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Yes, at one point during - was it D2 or D3 of SC 1 - town!Varsoon actively tried to get me lynched and as we know now, that would have resulted in a mislynch.
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You understand how a majority lynch works, right?In post 2034, u r a person 2 wrote:
It def won't happen if I don't try ;PIn post 2032, Varsoon wrote:@URAP2: Proflavor, by my count, only has 4 people who have vocalized support for the wagon. It's not going to happen within 8 hours. Put your vote to better use.
We won't get ANY lynch if everyone just decided to 'try' for their biggest scumreads right now.
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@Mephisto: My read here is informed by more than primarily rolespec and paranoia, for one, but you're right. There's no way I can KNOW that STW is or isn't scum here; that's the whole fucking game of mafia. I'm CONFIDENT in my read there and OTHER PEOPLE are SEEING WHAT I AM SEEING and I am not going to step back from MY MOST INFORMED AND CONFIDENT READ just because I might be wrong.
Moreover, how do you KNOW that you aren't just WRONG here and that you're willing to take A NO LYNCH over admitting that, maybe, you got it wrong this time?
Also, consider this;
I die tonight. There is no way I don't.
If I die and STW is still in the game, there's a chance of them making it to endgame.
If they endgame and win as scum, I will experience fury like none other.
I don't want that possibility to even be there.
I am that confident in my read and in their capacity to slither out of bullshit because everyone's so fucking resistant to lynching them for what I feel isn't any good moddamn reason.
Also I'm fuckin' pissed because the new Magic set just released and I'm not gonna get to play any sealed or limited events and I didn't get to do any pre-releases but I was hype to play limited events on MTG Arena and had 10,000 gold banked up and that'd be my afternoon but NO ALL THE FUCKING EVENTS THEY ARE RUNNING COST GEMS AND I'LL BE FUCKING DAMNED IF I SPEND ANY MONEY ON ARENA AFTER THEY SCREWED ME OVER WITH DUELS I SPENT 200 HOURS IN DUELS AND THEY JUST ABANDONED IT AUUGH
So anyway please vote STW
so we can have a lynch
And if they flip green, whatever, I'll give myself 1000 lashes or exile myself from site or whatever fucking pennance someone should do for being wrong in a fucking game but moddamn at least I stood by what I believed in for once.
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@Mephisto: The reaction they had to getting shot was really weird and the way they played around it strikes me as scum gambiting.
I'd still be scumreading them but I'd probably be more willing to compromise elsewhere but since they LITERALLY just taught me a lesson on why I shouldn't compromise when it comes to reading them, I'm a lot more confident in it.
@Creature: How do I play
Wait
How do I know you ain't runnin these moves thru a supercomputer
I mean
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How does it make sense if they are town either?In post 2191, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
So, use your head people, why does scum!Stw go out of their way to alienate Creature, when they know they’re the lead wagon?In post 2189, pinturicchio wrote:
7 on STW, Chara voted them and said it was L-1In post 2188, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
6 on Stw and 4 on ProflavorIn post 2179, u r a person 2 wrote:I'm driving and like a million pages behind. What are the vote counts on the wagons?
In what world does this make sense if they’re scum here?
Don't overthink that ish
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I'm driving an informed lynch on you because you've been playing like scum all game.In post 2198, Shoshin the worst wrote:Varsoon's power driving a policy lynch because he can't read us and he's scared of us. Mewtaph's unvote is uhh relatableish
Otherwise this is a scum motivated wagon. Everyone town on it should feel bad tbh
Color it however the fuck you want that makes it easier for you to sleep at night.
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It's not 'dehumanizing' to case someone or be confident in scumreading someone.In post 2212, Shoshin the worst wrote:Varsoon is probably just town regardless of the vig claim. If his scumgame is positioning people as wolves and then repeatedly dehumanising them and kicking them in the guts after going off at people for dragging him to a failed Mylo in SC1 he's someone I'm very much not cool with rn
I don't appreciate you appealing to Nancy with this sort of rhetoric, either.
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I call it Next Level Whippits and you're not invited.In post 2215, Shoshin the worst wrote:I'd rather us be lynched than no lynch so Varsoon is forced to pull his head out of his own arse so quickly he gets whiplash.-
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YOU ARE ASKING ME TO FUCKING TEMP UNVOTE WHEN THERE ARE LITERALLY ONLY HOURS LEFT ON THE DEADLINE
NO
WE ARE NOT LYNCHING FLAVOR
WE ARE LYNCHING SHOSHIN
SEE HOW FUCKING UPHILL THEY'VE HAD TO SCROUNGE AND SLIME AND CALL IN ALL THEIR SCUM FAVORS TO GET PEOPLE TO PARANOIA LYNCH FLAVOR
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In post 2275, Almost Chara wrote:I obviously meant both @L-2 in #2266.
@Nancy: I said it before. Koki & jjh are my preferred wagons. I don't see us lynching either in the remaining time, so I'm just going to try and force a no lynch here.
It's so fucking anti-town to do that
Whyyyy
It'd be fine if my vig went through but it didn't and now I'm gonna die
holy shit whyyyy
WHY WOULD YOU EVER WANT A NO LYNCH ON D1?!?!
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YesIn post 2284, Tibor and Lumia wrote:I’d be willing to vote ProFlavor and I recall someone else on stw saying the same so that can be lynched
Still gonna call it a vanity wagon Varsoon?
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It's still a vanity wagon
Shit has no reason for existing and it will flip town
And then I'll day and you fucking ingrates will let STW get away with another fucking trash win because NO ONE LISTENS TO ME
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Anyway I didn't wanna out this but whatever I'm dying anyway fuck it
My Dayvig fails if it hits scum.
I was trying to wait for SOMEONE to give me some reason why it'd fail on STW but no one outted it and STW STILL REFUSES to claim but says they aren't BP.
So I've gotta figure one of a few things is true:
1. Scum have some way to stop the kill based on placement and have stayed quiet
2. STW's just denying BP for SOME REASON AS TOWN??
3. Town stopped the kill, somehow, and is not claiming it because outting town PRs is not great and with me outted they can position to best keep their townreads alive.
So yeah
There's that too
Fuck
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Fairly familiar but it doesn't fit in GAMES OF RHETORIC among people who have high meta-knowledge of each other and can forum-dive ISOs of every single post ever made.
I also know people on-site like using Occams Razor to justify garbage positions.-
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Then you should be pretty aware of why I've avoided claiming flavor and why I've tried to warn others why claiming flavor tilts a ton of info.
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I'm cool doing consensus since it's obvious that I'm not the greatest judge of who is scum or not in this game.In post 2373, Almost Chara wrote:Varsoon isn't scum.
Varsoon: i want you to use your shot on a consensus. was i right that you were lying, or did your shot fail for another reason (like playerlist order.)
@STW: Sorry for confbiasing on your slot; you were legitimately hard-scum to me and your dodginess and survivalistic approach combined with how many counterwagons were proposed in BOTH our Deadline-within-24-hours got me real tilted to reading you as scum.
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Okay so, let me figure this out.In post 5, Krazy wrote:GAME START PLAYER ORDER -- RANDOMIZED
1. Michael Scott (Auro + Volxen Hydra)
2. Shoshin the worst (the worst + Shoshin hydra)
3. Mewtaph
4. u r a person 2
5. AlmostChara (Almost50 + Chara Hydra)
6. Mephistophanes 39 (Nancy Drew 39 and Aristophanes hydra)
7. pinturucchio
8. jjh927
9. ProFlavor (Flavor Leaf and profii hydra)
10. Kokichi Oma
11. Tibor and Lumia (brassherald and Gamma Emerald hydra)
12. alchemist21
13. Creature
14. Varsoon
Mephisto and STW died so...
1. Michael Scott (Auro + Volxen Hydra)
2. Mewtaph
3. u r a person 2
4. AlmostChara (Almost50 + Chara Hydra)
5. pinturucchio
6. jjh927
7. ProFlavor (Flavor Leaf and profii hydra)
8. Kokichi Oma
9. Tibor and Lumia (brassherald and Gamma Emerald hydra)
10. alchemist21
11. Creature
12. Varsoon
So that's how people moved.In post 2365, Krazy wrote:During the night forces have moved!
The new order of players is such:
1. pinturicchio
2. u r a person 2
3. Michael Scott (Auro + Volxen Hydra)
4. ProFlavor (Flavor Leaf and profii hydra)
5. Varsoon
6. Kokichi Oma
7. Tibor and Lumia (brassherald and Gamma Emerald hydra)
8. jjh927
9. Almost Chara (Almost50 + Chara Hydra)
10. Creature
11. Mewtaph
12. Alchemist21
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