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Coins only matter in phase 2 and phase 2 kinda doesn't matter
Coins are basically irrelevant and I don't actually know why Fakegod added them other than to have something(?) to make up for the IC removed from the last iteration of the setup
Fire dancing with the worst is fine since they won't be a final pairing anyway given that both of their scum games are largely incomprehensible
Now.
We get to the serious business.
There is literally only one thing important to me right now, and that is figuring out Celica's main.
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true and that's why I'm fully prepared to be in the 11 players that just shitpost and have fun lolIn post 39, Firebringer wrote:Ur scum game is INCOMPREHENSIBLE!vote conspiracy-
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yeah coalition basically just stole the premise of this game and made it possible for an even faster game win as townIn post 41, the worst wrote:Ohhh find 3 t/t pairings we're communally confident on then we can just nuke the others and either win or find the deepwolf/ves?vote conspiracy-
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Fundamentally we need 4 people that are absolutely locktown, because scum will kill one of our top two pairings. Then we need a pairing that will accept that the top 2 pairing truly is locktown so that one of them will reliably lynch themselves in 4-way. If we can do that we should win.
Also this setup got rid of the Innocent Child, and scum were already kind of doing OK in the dances, so I want to say this game is probably already 55% scumfavored to 45% townfavored so if it's a loss it's all Gvote conspiracy-
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1: mcqueen - Nancy Drew 39
2: Slaxx -- Ankamius
3: Pink ball -- Celica
4: Adelbert Steiner -- jibril
5: Krazy -- Dunnstral
6: Firebringer -- the worst
7: Reinhardt -- Alisae
8: PvtUrist -- Clemency
predance -- allomancer
Here we go guys I solved the game now we can spend the rest of this thread shitpostingvote conspiracy-
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My solve still looks fineIn post 256, the worst wrote:
I agreeIn post 253, Krazy wrote:Coins don't matter because scum cannot win in first dance and lynch order will be decided in pre dance
any thoughts on the game?vote conspiracy-
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Interesting... very interesting.In post 384, Celica wrote:I haven't watched a lot of anime recently! Also if I was gonna try to truly keep myself hidden wouldn't I just give you an answer that'd throw you off
But okay, the important thing is established, which is that Maria isn't in this game. It's okay Dunn, you're safe.vote conspiracy-
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In post 390, Dunnstral wrote:Celica looks very easy to townread
Stay vigilant everyone, that's how those wily ladies get you
did you....?vote conspiracy-
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I was thinking about this. I was going to do this long shitpost about how Fakegod's games have moved from an aristocratic aesthetic to more of a middle class aesthetic but then I got too lazy and didn'tIn post 439, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I don’t feel too much like a hooker or anything. :/vote conspiracy-
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The fun part is figuring out the alts, I'm not going to out someone's main against their will lol
But it might help to think of adel as a hydra of alonzo and texcat anyway if you want to get a grip on themvote conspiracy-
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She says after making 10 serious posts about a reads list that includes people that haven't posted yet lolIn post 536, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I thought FG didn’t allow hydras in this game. I think you just got Krazy trolled.In post 354, Dunnstral wrote:I don't have anything to say about your push on Adel, it's not incorrect like I think it is for Jibril, I still gut townread them and think town can be hesitant to want to form a pair, especially a hydra who may want to consult their other headvote conspiracy-
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You seem really weirdly hung up on one post tbhIn post 650, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Yeah, Krazy will just have to make a list.vote conspiracy-
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Why are you "relatively confident" in your read of me?In post 654, Slaxx wrote:bottom two I’m relatively confident in.vote conspiracy-
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Because, as you just explained, it quite clearly can't be the final list. You're acting like I'm decreeing what the pairs will be. I was making an educated guess based on how easily sortable people are, personality, and burden of proficiency.In post 660, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Why wouldn’t I be “hung up” on that?
You also haven't really critiqued almost anything in the structure of the list. It seems like the town is more or less falling into the approximate tiers I suggested. You want to be in a top tier. Clemency seems fine taking a scummy pairing at the bottom. My guesses have been more or less accurate even if the exact pairings haven't matched up.
But you seem to want to scumread me for making an educated guess on how the game will play out, when that guess is more based on: who will be likely to even be in the final six? Because ultimately the game will be won or lost on those players, so starting a conversation on the players who will be both easily townread and reliable enough to execute a plan seems productive to me.vote conspiracy-
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I actually kinda don't know what to do about the guys based on what I've seen so far
{-- Nancy Drew 39
-- Ankamius
-- Celica}
these are almost certainly the final three ladies
jibril will never post enough for a consensus read to form, Dunn has too much BoP, the worst is paired with firebringer and fire never makes final 3 here, and Clem probably isn't put in the final three for reliability reasons. Alisae is maybe the 4th final lady.
Guys are much bigger problem. McQueen hasn't shown up yet (Hi! btw), Slaxx is scumreading me (which given the usual value of his reads is a pretty big red flag for me), Pink Ball I need to think about now that he's with Clem, I still don't think Adelbert makes it into the final 3 for {reasons} although I think he's more likely final 4 pairings now, I obviously never make final three pairings, PvT kinda isn't here, and Rein literally isn't here. I might actually kinda have to flip and consider Allo in top 4.
1: mcqueen - Nancy Drew 39 -- this is obviously contingent on mcqueen ever showing up
2: Allomancer -- Ankamius -- flipping allo up here for now more due to issues with almost every other gentleman slot
3: Slaxx -- Celica -- Slaxx might just be wrong on me because I haven't started playing yet
4: Adelbert Steiner -- jibril -- this is probably fine for #4 honestly
5: Krazy -- Dunnstral -- match made in heaven
6: PvT -- Alisae -- seems fine
7:Firebringer -- the worst-- fine doing this early since there's no reason to push for Fire in final 4
8:Party Boat -- Clemency-- fine starting here although I kinda think Clem is more dragging PB around than the other way around, but it doesn't really matter which of the pair you think should go
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Basically only the top six reads matter to me, frankly. I'm feeling fine with my top three female reads, the top three male reads are much more mutable given that mcqueen isn't here yet and Slaxx has me concerned.
Everything in the bottom rest is like whatever, I'm mostly going by who I assume will leave the dance at a random point for whatever reason or actually get voted outvote conspiracy-
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I know some people were like "oh no we can't decide the order pre-dance, that's not gonna work!"
it's literally the only way this works.
When people are given the chance to randomly kill the person they're paired with by committing suicide, they WILL DO SO
So basically we need to take SIX people and say: "NO. PLEASE DO NOT RANDOMLY LEAVE THE DANCE. TRUST THE TOWN."
that is what the final six really means.
The actual order people die in will definitely not be what I or anyone else prescribes, it will be when Firebringer or whoever else decides "HMM MY PARTNER MIGHT BE SCUM TIME FOR ME TO LEAVE!"
or because they get angry, or because they think it will be funny, or whatever.vote conspiracy-
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literally my only reservation with him right now is his scumread of me since I know he's better than thatIn post 667, Ankamius wrote:Talk to me about Slaxx? What is giving you reservations on him?vote conspiracy-
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That is exactly what will happen which is why we also talk about the 4th pairing.In post 668, Ankamius wrote:Ftr going by final 3 pairings isn't the best idea since scum can just force one of those three to leave at intermission
Like, here's kinda the way this works when we get more into detail:
The top FOUR townreads -- the players we actually are counting on to be town to win the game
the THIRD pair of townreads -- must contain at most one scum
the FOURTH pair of townreads -- must contain at most one scum
this is why "heavy chainsaw" pairings for 3 and 4 can sometimes be okay. We can have one scum in the final four, so long as we are sure that the total numbers aren't too bad in the final 4 that town is ever outnumbered
but these sort of meta-strategy decisions are only viable when reads are actually solid which they will not be and should not be until some of our MIA slots (Reinhardt) post at least some and our reads of the active, solid townreads solidifiesvote conspiracy-
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Yeah but I also explained this is what I was doing, so why were you acting like someone who basically said "I'm not really playing yet" was a "strong scumread"?In post 673, Slaxx wrote:Up until your last post you had put more time into alt hunting than giving reads on people,vote conspiracy-
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the packing of scum and town literally doesn't matter in the bottom 5 pairings, only in the top 3 (and kinda 4)In post 674, Allomancer wrote:See here's the dilemma. We want to pack scum together so we can lynch two scum at the same time. But if we pack scum together, we also pack town together, which means scum can kill two town at the same town. Ideal system is scum/scum and town/nullvote conspiracy-
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While moving you from #2 to #3 is actually significant, I do still have you in the top 4 lolIn post 680, Slaxx wrote:The fact he is suspicious of me for doing it is what I’m hung up on now.
Bear in mind that absolutely anyone that is considered for the top 4 will undergo much more scrutiny than anyone else
Like I kinda don't care about tw/firebringer since they never are in the final 4, I highly doubt Clem/PB makes final 4 so I don't care there, but whether a townread player like you is at 2, 3, or 4 is way more significant.
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Nancy is town.In post 684, the worst wrote:need to catch up, will flip a coin about whether or not to read everything tbh
There, now you don't have to read pages 20-24.vote conspiracy-
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There will come a time when whether Ank or Celica should be #2 or #3 will be one of the defining questions of this game, but I'm not ready for that debate yetIn post 695, Allomancer wrote:Every time Ankamius posts she becomes a little less towny in my eyes recently. This will need further consideration.vote conspiracy-
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I think she was saying that my BoP as town is high enough that my scum game is probably good too, not that my town game is flawless.In post 704, the worst wrote:Please don't tell me you're actually intending to BoP and sheep Krazy Ank? he's not quite flawlessvote conspiracy-
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true, although bear in mind that a) my town wim has dropped significantly since ircher's game and b) the worst has now seen my scum game which means he probably will not want me in the final three pairingsIn post 717, Ankamius wrote:I mean that I think there is enough history to expect you to have more of a presence than to just coast for half the game without doing anything or providing more than content that doesn't hold up to scrutiny in the long runvote conspiracy-
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I've never played on MU, I'm pretty sure I picked up from GammaIn post 725, the worst wrote:It's an MU termvote conspiracy-
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I am in fact town this game. But you haven't mislynched me yet since schadd's game so I'm not exactly holding my breath for you to townread me hereIn post 765, the worst wrote:Krazy are you town this time?
do you mind if I'm dumping you in my "dies eventually anyway" block?vote conspiracy-
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of course you are, you're my nerd dream girl <3 <3 <3In post 775, the worst wrote:am I weird?vote conspiracy-
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didn't you win that game by following RC's order?In post 807, Dunnstral wrote:I'm going to give you guys a hint: We tried forming an order in the very last dance game, it went awful, don't do it againvote conspiracy-
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Because you're beautifulIn post 830, Dunnstral wrote:Why do you want to pair with me
It seemed like you decided that before I entered the thread
Also because you're the strongest scum player here probably and I'd enjoy knowing I could kill you if I truly started scumreading you
But MOSTLY because you're beautifulvote conspiracy-
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I kinda would like a bit more discussion before anyone who could plausibly be in the top 6 pairs first of all, which is probably the only reason I haven't offered yetIn post 864, Slaxx wrote:Does anyone have issues with Slaxx/Dunn?
Beyond that, Dunn's BoP as scum is significantly higher than yours which would mean it would be much riskier to put you in the top 6vote conspiracy-
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I spec a lotIn post 889, Slaxx wrote:So do we have history or are you just a prolific observer?vote conspiracy