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He's the one I'm least convinced, but scum!Mewtaph gives much more scum equity to ProFlavorIn post 2918, Michael Scott wrote:Logic being that if it's too implausible, it's not alignment-indicative.
Also, could you walk me through why ProFlavor is in your solve?
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Varsoon, I know how you're feeling and it's understandable, specially for how D1 happened. But I don't think anyone will hold a grudge on you or something along those lines; after all, it's just a game. I respect you for feeling this way 'cause it means you really care about this and your effort is by no means in vain. I'm happy playing with you and will happily play again-
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I think that too. I'm having problems between MS or ProFlavor being the partner.In post 3074, Firebringer wrote:I think mewtaph is scum. Let us discuss that-
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You saying there's probably no strongman pinged me, 'cause it's like saying "there are definately two BPs in the game". If there's no strongman, then I think there's not two BPs, and I think you're the more likely lying since now we know that the scumteam have fakeclaims and yours sound faker than brass'.In post 3077, Michael Scott wrote:
I'm getting tired of dealing with the paranoia. Either make a scumcase beyond "They bussed jjh927 to clear themselves" and argue that, or stop the tunneling.In post 3075, pinturicchio wrote:
I think that too. I'm having problems between MS or ProFlavor being the partner.In post 3074, Firebringer wrote:I think mewtaph is scum. Let us discuss that
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Ah, the vig, didn't think about that. And Volxen's post is wooooow impressive so yeah back to your regular news.In post 3081, Michael Scott wrote:
There's also a vigi, also limited shot BP, also no Strongman is just a possibility - more probable that AC were killed for reads.In post 3079, pinturicchio wrote:You saying there's probably no strongman pinged me, 'cause it's like saying "there are definately two BPs in the game". If there's no strongman, then I think there's not two BPs-
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In post 3056, Krazy wrote:JJH has been lynched in a vicious zergling attack! He was...
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Spoiler:In post 2766, jjh927 wrote:I was a drone who had to choose a place to build a hatchery N1, and I wanted #7 but apparently was put in #8. Can't move after that.
Now I'm a building and a bulletproof one at that.In post 2839, Michael Scott wrote:
Compiled a list of claims and revealed roles so far; If I missed something please correct it.In post 3076, Michael Scott wrote: Jjh's fakeclaim was "Zerg hatchery", and his actual role was "Terran Command Center". In the Starcraft II game, The Terran Command Center is the Terran equivalent of the Zerg hatchery.
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In post 3083, pinturicchio wrote:In post 3056, Krazy wrote:JJH has been lynched in a vicious zergling attack! He was...
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Spoiler:In post 2766, jjh927 wrote:I was a drone who had to choose a place to build a hatchery N1, and I wanted #7 but apparently was put in #8. Can't move after that.
Now I'm a building and a bulletproof one at that.In post 2839, Michael Scott wrote:
Compiled a list of claims and revealed roles so far; If I missed something please correct it.In post 3076, Michael Scott wrote: Jjh's fakeclaim was "Zerg hatchery", and his actual role was "Terran Command Center". In the Starcraft II game, The Terran Command Center is the Terran equivalent of the Zerg hatchery.
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In post 3135, Varsoon wrote:Oh, was Zerg Hatchery his fake claim but Michael Scott slipped by saying it when it hasn't been posted anywhere in the game thread?-
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Look at the wording on 3076, he said twice that jjh's fakeclaim was Zerg Hatchery. He said it like it was a fact, not a deduction made by him.In post 3139, Firebringer wrote:that seems a pretty obvious deduction to me-
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I'm talking about knowing the exact name of the fakeclaim, not if it was his fakeclaim or not.In post 3143, Michael Scott wrote:Umm, that's not a slip. It's pretty clear that he used his fakeclaim during the massclaim, and even though the fakeclaim wasn't provided with the flip, it's really likely that the one he mentioned was the fakeclaim. There's still a small chance he "came up with his own fakeclaim instead" but I seriously doubt that's the case given 1. There's no reason to, and 2. His general effort levels this game.-
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Even if it's 99.999999999% possible that that's his fakeclaim name, it's not a fact if you're town.In post 3146, Firebringer wrote:
so what if he said it like it was a fact?In post 3144, pinturicchio wrote:
Look at the wording on 3076, he said twice that jjh's fakeclaim was Zerg Hatchery. He said it like it was a fact, not a deduction made by him.In post 3139, Firebringer wrote:that seems a pretty obvious deduction to me
It almost assuredly is a fact and i would bet a million dollars that Krazy gave jjh the fake claim "Zerg Hatchery"
jjh said he was a drone and he even softclaimed drone on D1 at EoD, so why go with Zerg Hatchery when jjh was using "drone" as a key word?-
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Again, I'm talking about the exact name of the fakeclaim. "probably did get it" yes, I'm not doubting that. Saying it like a fact is what makes it a slip.In post 3149, Firebringer wrote:"OMG HE KNEW THE FAKE CLAIM OF THIS PERSON!"
yeah...the person fake claimed it.
"BUT HE KNEW THAT WAS THE REAL FAKE CLAIM HE GOT LIKE HE ACTUALLY GOT IT"
yeah...he probably did get it. I doubt that was really just made up by jjh.
I don't even understand what kind of shit ur going for here.
pedit: one more time: leap of deduction = perfectly fine. He didn't say it like it was a leap of deduction, he said it like a fact as if jjh's fakeclaim was posted by Krazy.
I know absolutely nothing about Starcraft, but I don't think that has something to do with MS's wording on the fakeclaim.-
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Just Wikipedia'd Drones and they're a ground unit by itself too; why not deduce "Zerg Drone" instead of "Zerg Hatchery"? I mean, you can deduce whichever, but say it as a fact?In post 3154, Firebringer wrote:Drones turn into Zerg Hatcheries.
They turn into buildings that are the bases for games. The terran equivalent is a command center which JJh was.
He fake claimed Drone apparently that could build shit later. Kind of implied Hatchery to an extent if i am not mistaken if he never even said that.-
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Not my point, read my last post.In post 3157, Firebringer wrote:the only type of hatchery is a Zerg Hatchery you dingus.-
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But you said "Zerg Hatchery" as it was a fact. Paraphrasing, you basically said "his fakeclaim was Zerg Hatchery", like it was something known in the thread. That's my point, they're equivalent, it could be any of those names, but you used one as a fact. I'm not saying it's a bad assumption, I'm saying it IS an assumption and you didn't say it like it is.In post 3161, Michael Scott wrote:
They're equivalent. Saying "his fakeclaim was Zerg drone" is the same as "his fakeclaim was Zerg Hatchery", but hatchery is what he turns into, so it makes sense to call it "Zerg Hatchery"In post 3159, pinturicchio wrote:Just Wikipedia'd Drones and they're a ground unit by itself too; why not deduce "Zerg Drone" instead of "Zerg Hatchery"? I mean, you can deduce whichever, but say it as a fact?-
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If you say it like that I will look like and idiot if I say the second one.In post 3166, Firebringer wrote:pintu explain to me what is a more reasonable assumption to make here.
someone knows the flavor well enough to make a reasonable assumption and assume it is a fact when posting.
or that person gives out information we aren't privy to by not differentiating between assumptions vs factual statements.
So the second one. If he would've said something like "it's pretty obvious he was a Zerg Hatchery" or "we can assume he was a Zerg Hatchery" this whole thing would be useless. But he said "he was a Zerg Hatchery". I know I look like the CRAZY CONSPIRACY GUY WHO SEES SCUMSLIPS EVERYWHERE but I'm not like that.-
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And he *was* a Zerg Drone too. C'mon give me a break you guys are giving me less credit that I deserve, I'm not being daft am I????In post 3168, Michael Scott wrote:But he *was* a Zerg Hatchery.-
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Sorry, what's an scv?In post 3173, Firebringer wrote:if anything it seems to me that jjh fucked up his fake claim here because theres nothing about an scv in that role pm. Not sure why a fake claim would have a mention of a drone if the real role doesn't have a scv. but i am done talking about this.-
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In post 3176, Michael Scott wrote:
No, you are being *super* daft.In post 3169, pinturicchio wrote:
I'm not being daft am I????In post 3168, Michael Scott wrote:But he *was* a Zerg Hatchery.-
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In post 3196, Michael Scott wrote:Aren't you Bulletproof?In post 3197, Michael Scott wrote:Oh shit sorry >.> Nevermind.
This is goldIn post 3198, Firebringer wrote:gw einstein-
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Why the fuck would I vote ProFlavor yesterday if I knew you would come after scum!me knowing that he was going to flip town? Yeah, that's right, I didn't know he would flip town and MS knew exactly what they were doing.
Also bringing up the strongman yesterday out of nowhere and making that kill to prove the existence of it in order to have an alibi for their fake claim? Genius.-
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Of course I'm PoEd, that was your plan all along. Why pushing ProFlavor yesterday instead of Alch/Mew if that would 100% confirmed a scum today in case we were wrong? That would've been the optimal town play if you were so sure about one of them being scum and the other one town but not being so sure about Pro/me as a dichotomoy. 'cause you started this day voting and unvoting me to look like you were evaluating it, but that was fake too-
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No, I'm not voting 'cause we need to discuss who your partner is, and I don't want to give you the chance to vote yourself and go to a second LyLo in the dark about the last scum. Try again.In post 3281, Michael Scott wrote:
If you are so confident of us being scum, then why not put your vote on us? Because you want to get a townie to vote for us first so you and your partner can back-to-back vote for us so we can be your fourth and final mislynch?In post 3277, pinturicchio wrote:Sure, keep deepwolfing. What a fucking disaster, I'll be 1v1ing the guys that I've been scumreading since the start of the game, while they townread me in order to have me alive and "PoE" me at the end.
The lack of paranoia after mislynching ProFlavor is so blatantly obvious that it hurts
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??????? Even the scumslip I called out yesterday was less of a reach than thisIn post 3283, Michael Scott wrote:
"Coasting", and us having a stronger position on ProFlavor's wagon weakens us slightly if we 1v1 you after the mislynch.In post 3278, pinturicchio wrote:Why the fuck would I vote ProFlavor yesterday if I knew you would come after scum!me knowing that he was going to flip town?-
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No dude, the dichotomy between Alch and Mew makes a lot more sense than the relationship you created between Pro and me, so it makes no sense you went for that first instead of Alch or Mew. You aligned lynchesIn post 3287, Michael Scott wrote:Umm, given our *One scum in Pint/ProFlavor* theory, a ProFlavor townflip would flip you and vice-versa.
Pint/ProFlavor was equivalent to Alch/Mew.
We are sure about the dichotomy. The Firebringer NK made me paranoid momentarily, but the Marine fire point Volxen brought up seals it anyway.-
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And you go and vote me to solve between Alch and Mew? So if I'm scum and I decide to vote myself to avoid conversation what do you do? Nope, you didn't think about that 'cause you know it's not happening and that game ends if I dieIn post 3290, Michael Scott wrote:
Nah, we're fully intent on solving between Alch and Mew today - it's hilarious to assume we think we can quicklynch you.In post 3286, pinturicchio wrote:Another point that shows you don't have a town thinking here: "let's lynch confscum pint and tomorrow we'll see what happens" when there's clearly no tomorrow-
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You OBVIOUSLY go for the less confident pair so you don't have to solve it in LyLo. Once again, you're justifying a suboptimal play for townIn post 3294, Michael Scott wrote:No. Both dichotomies were equally valid; optimal play for us was to evaluate which pair had a more confident read. You can probably see us ask the rest about reads on you and/or ProFlavor - the rest of the slots seemed to agree that {Pint, ProFlavor} was more polarised (in terms of how townread you were as opposed to ProFlavor scumread), compared to AlchMew.
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'cause I trusted the rest of the playerlist on ProFlavor and I thought today wouldn't be LyLo. Something that you clearly knewIn post 3298, Michael Scott wrote:In post 3293, pinturicchio wrote:Guess what: I'm a God at LyLo. You're not going to get this win as easy as you thought
If you're a "God of LyLo", why would you say this?pinturicchio wrote:Why the fuck would I vote ProFlavor yesterday if I knew you would come after scum!me knowing that he was going to flip town?-
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Sure thing dude. I'm not dead 'cause scum is voting me. Oldest trick of mafiaIn post 3299, Michael Scott wrote:Oh we do have a plan for tomorrow Pint. Here is what it is:
We are 99.99% confident that the scumteam is Pint/Mewtaph/Jjh
I've been rereading through the whole game (up to page 105), and there are tons of interactions/associatives between Pint and Mewtaph that clearly look like SvS, including how they both have treated the Jjh slot (distancing etc.). Whereas Alchemist does not have these kinds of associatives with Pint or Jjh. Still in the process of rereading through the rest of the game and looking at associatives, but Mewtaph has much more partner equity with Pint than Alchemist does.
And Pint is now 100% confirmed scum from our POV due to him not being quickhammered (everyone except for conftown!Varsoon has been posting), so we are treating him as such and thus we can establish associatives without needing to see his flip first.
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You could've wrote whatever, but you didn't go for it yesterday, so it doesn't matterIn post 3302, Michael Scott wrote:Also, just because of Pintu's accusations that we weren't trying to solve between Alch and Mew:
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