Greatest Idea Mafia - Game Over

[DoubtingThomas]

hey I threw away my mafia goon card ama

[DoubtingThomas]

The following cards have been discarded:

Player Name	Discard
Gamma Emerald	Serial Killer (immune to mafia kills)
mcqueen	Lover
davesaz	Vanilla Townie
TTTT	Mafia Strongman
Vedith	Vanilla Townie
Allomancer	Psychiatrist
Elsa Jay	Vanilla Townie
pinturicchio	Mafia Godfather
ohrfz	Mason
brassherald	Hero
NotMySpamAccount	Innocent Child
TheGoldenParadox	Alien Prober
Alchemist21	Underdog
OkaPoka	Alien Mass Redirector
DoubtingThomas	Mafia Goon
Nimueh	Alpha Goon

Alchemist21 has discarded the

Wild Card

and drawn a new card off the deck to represent his ability.

i low key didnt read this post, tbh

[DoubtingThomas]

hey I threw away my mafia goon card ama

What do you think about the other players’ discards?

no strong opinion.

does any one know the statistics on how many villa/mafia/alien/3p alignment cards are there?

only thing to note is maybe throwing away mafia godfather because that role is pretty bastard

but other than that, discard isnt gonna help us too much

[DoubtingThomas]

hey I threw away my mafia goon card ama

What do you think about the other players’ discards?

no strong opinion.

does any one know the statistics on how many villa/mafia/alien/3p alignment cards are there?

only thing to note is maybe throwing away mafia godfather because that role is pretty bastard

but other than that, discard isnt gonna help us too much

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _.28105.29

All the roles are numbered in that index.

I asked your opinion on the discards since you entered by mentioning your own. It seemed like you thought the info was relevant.

I thought itd be nice to tell u guys i didnt pick up the scum card thinking only i had this info

[DoubtingThomas]

using rvs seems like a convenient way to ignore the discussion around notmyspamaccount

so lets not

u think notmyspamaccount should claim rn?

Why would anyone claim right now

[DoubtingThomas]

What if he is town vigi

Do u want him to claim

[DoubtingThomas]

Unreal

[DoubtingThomas]

only thing to note is maybe throwing away mafia godfather because that role is pretty bastard

Non-normal yes, bastard hell no. You are a weak-spirited mafia player if you consider Godfather bastard.

all the other sites I play on consider godfather pretty much bastard so don't shove your futile opinion down my throat

[DoubtingThomas]

thinking vedith and gamma are town

[DoubtingThomas]

I see people wanting a claim, so here it is. I am a

1-Shot Unlynchable Townie

.

What was the card you used for your alignment?

And also why take unlynchable over Innocent Child?

good point

[DoubtingThomas]

Unlynchable is legit the perfect card as a scum though, not gonna lie. What are the chances of a vigilante in this setup?

if someone had a vigi card, 100% of the time

[DoubtingThomas]

right spam claiming unlynchable is nagl, but the claiming itself can be >rand town very very slightly because as wolf he didnt have to necessarily claim yet

but unlynchable IS a good scum card so theres a change spam claimed 50% of the truth with unlynchable and the other 50% is a lie wrt his alignment

[DoubtingThomas]

Yeah, since he threw away innocent townie, that means in order for him to be town, he had to draw all 3 cards as town.

is there mafia unlynchable?

he could have had town role + mafia unlynchable to become town unlynchable then

[DoubtingThomas]

yea looks sus

lolSpam when you claim and still becomes top lynch candidate

[DoubtingThomas]

Not lynch candidate, more vigilante if it exists, but yeah.

Why waste time on a slot that literally doesn't die to a lynch?

yeah i meant getting got not only a lynch

[DoubtingThomas]

I do believe that they’re actually Unlynchable. The real question is, if there’s no Day vig, do we wait to see if there’s a regular vig or go ahead and lynch them twice and if there is a Night vig they just shoot elsewhere?

no i dont think lynching twice is economically sustainable, especially when they can really be a town unlynchable too. even if they are mafia unlynchable i dont think its worth our time.

[DoubtingThomas]

UNVOTE:

Guess we’ll leave it to the vig then. If there’s no vig though we’ll have to double lynch, unless you think another faction would kill them at some point?

not sure what other factions are out there but i dont see mafia faction ever killing them because feels like he is a LHF who will be scum read widely

do you have a reads list?

[DoubtingThomas]

UNVOTE:

Guess we’ll leave it to the vig then. If there’s no vig though we’ll have to double lynch, unless you think another faction would kill them at some point?

not sure what other factions are out there but i dont see mafia faction ever killing them because feels like he is a LHF who will be scum read widely

do you have a reads list?

Werewolf, Alien, and Mafia are all possible factions in this game and all would have to kill any existing members of the other factions to win.

I don’t have any other reads beyond what I’ve stated so far.

what have you stated? all i remember is you talking about spam tbh

[DoubtingThomas]

yeah i just iso'ed you you don't have any reads

PEdit: incredible amount of mech talks and basing town reads based on mech information of discard, i persnally view as scummy. it's easy to fabricate reads based on a factual information, like "he's X for discarding Y"

dont see much townie solving going on

[DoubtingThomas]

so like I have a reason for wanting everyone to claim their cards' alignments
but since nobody is interested I'll move on
for now

i dont think giving mafia who already have advantage in information + assured night kills is a good idea for me townfolks

but idk what your role is and if u think it really helps us that much, maybe you can claim it and convince us

[DoubtingThomas]

Hi! 4 in the morning and only read first page and decides that sleeping is more important. Alchemist is right: I discarded the Mafia Godfather card because I was scum in my last game and it's too much effort, so I decided to become conftown instead so I can focus in my reads only.

I'm claiming Miller! I hope you guys take this basically like an IC and we can all be friends

town reading this post

wtf was ur third card if u picked miller

I had mafia Godfather, town Godfather and Miller. I looked for town Godfather on the wiki and it redirected to Vig so I wanted to pick that, but in here it was just a VT, so I picked the Miller to claim in my first post and be townread for it

is town godfather even a thing or is this a meme

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: notmyspamaccount

[DoubtingThomas]

For the record, I picked unlynchable rather than IC because I felt like it, I'm a noob, I don't know which is better, and I don't want to get lynched. I guess it was a bad choice.

1) why not throw away V?

2) why out your role if you are a noob that didnt like IC? what you did is essentailly what IC does but now theres a chance you are lying

[DoubtingThomas]

why the hell do you not pick IC but then claim unlynchable 5 pages into the game

[DoubtingThomas]

I do believe that they’re actually Unlynchable. The real question is, if there’s no Day vig, do we wait to see if there’s a regular vig or go ahead and lynch them twice and if there is a Night vig they just shoot elsewhere?

no i dont think lynching twice is economically sustainable, especially when they can really be a town unlynchable too. even if they are mafia unlynchable i dont think its worth our time.

VOTE: notmyspamaccount

?

What made you change your mind?

hes scum 100% of the time now

[DoubtingThomas]

why the hell do you not pick IC but then claim unlynchable 5 pages into the game

I claimed because you guys would have strung me up otherwise.

scummy submission tbh

[DoubtingThomas]

Am I the only one that thinks that a Newbie wouldn't come to a best idea mafia and pick mafia as alignment because of being scared?

We should let him live and see, if this is a multiball, if one of the mafia teams shoot him.

and a newbie mafia wouldnt do what he's doing is what you are saying?

[DoubtingThomas]

why the hell do you not pick IC but then claim unlynchable 5 pages into the game

Players were pressuring him to claim. Dude, it's his second game

why are you talking to me like i knew it was his second game

[DoubtingThomas]

why the hell do you not pick IC but then claim unlynchable 5 pages into the game

I claimed because you guys would have strung me up otherwise.

scummy submission tbh

I hope I'm misunderstanding you and that you don't find me scummy for not wanting to be lynched?

scums are more likely to care about being killed

villagers are less likely to care about being killed

[DoubtingThomas]

Am I the only one that thinks that a Newbie wouldn't come to a best idea mafia and pick mafia as alignment because of being scared?

We should let him live and see, if this is a multiball, if one of the mafia teams shoot him.

and a newbie mafia wouldnt do what he's doing is what you are saying?

Nope, I'm saying that he wouldn't pick mafia in the first place 'cause he would panic in this game. I still remember how I felt as scum on Tit for Tat with players like Mathdino pushing me.

idk i liked playing scum since when i first started. prob just depends on the player.

odd for you to defend him to this extent tho to the point of assuming what role he prefers or not prefers. a player that only played two games and consequently you wouldnt know well about

[DoubtingThomas]

why the hell do you not pick IC but then claim unlynchable 5 pages into the game

I claimed because you guys would have strung me up otherwise.

scummy submission tbh

I hope I'm misunderstanding you and that you don't find me scummy for not wanting to be lynched?

scums are more likely to care about being killed

villagers are less likely to care about being killed

I still don't want to die.

let me give u a pro tip

dont be scared to die and find scums. if you are town, you are the one who is in the right and have to find the bad guys

if you are scum, being scared will often make other ppl scum read you

dying is fine. good players die all the time n1 because scums are afraid of them.

no matter how good you are, you can't avoid death completely as a townie. don't be scared to die.

[DoubtingThomas]

Am I the only one that thinks that a Newbie wouldn't come to a best idea mafia and pick mafia as alignment because of being scared?

We should let him live and see, if this is a multiball, if one of the mafia teams shoot him.

and a newbie mafia wouldnt do what he's doing is what you are saying?

Nope, I'm saying that he wouldn't pick mafia in the first place 'cause he would panic in this game. I still remember how I felt as scum on Tit for Tat with players like Mathdino pushing me.

idk i liked playing scum since when i first started. prob just depends on the player.

odd for you to defend him to this extent tho to the point of assuming what role he prefers or not prefers. a player that only played two games and consequently you wouldnt know well about

Yeah that would be odd if that's what I said, but it isn't. I'm talking about Newbies in general, not Spam's particular preferences.

it's odd you are constantly trying to defend Spam by talking about how newbies play in general

[DoubtingThomas]

why the hell do you not pick IC but then claim unlynchable 5 pages into the game

I claimed because you guys would have strung me up otherwise.

scummy submission tbh

I hope I'm misunderstanding you and that you don't find me scummy for not wanting to be lynched?

scums are more likely to care about being killed

villagers are less likely to care about being killed

I still don't want to die.

let me give u a pro tip

dont be scared to die and find scums. if you are town, you are the one who is in the right and have to find the bad guys

if you are scum, being scared will often make other ppl scum read you

dying is fine. good players die all the time n1 because scums are afraid of them.

no matter how good you are, you can't avoid death completely as a townie. don't be scared to die.

I know I can't avoid death completely, but I'd still prefer not to. If you want me dead anyway, then I guess go ahead by all means if it'll help the town. But do it with a vig shot, I don't want you to waste a lynch.

protip 2

stop defending yourself and just focus on finding scums

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: pinturicchio

[DoubtingThomas]

it's odd you are constantly trying to defend Spam by talking about how newbies play in general

Ah so basically you just want to say that it's odd that I disagree with you. Should we all agree with you here? Is it so so clear that Spam is scum here? Because I'm just giving a different perspective to this. If you read better, you would have seen that I told Alch that his argument was solid and that I have no further defense for Spam otjer than "that's how I'm feeling right now".

Nope, never said that ever. I said it's weird for you to go out of your way to defend a newbie who at best you have an opinion of "let's give them breathing room they only played two games" and constantly try to fight with me over this when that newbie has a single vote from me

didn't even talk about you disagreeing with me or not. think it's weird for you to continue talking to me about this, period.

[DoubtingThomas]

They never mentioned you being the partner though?

villagery thought

I agree, at this point I think there is high chance pinturicchio is a scum trying to white knight a newbie and taking cred for 'correctly' villa reading that newbie, tbh

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: pinturicchio

I'm Spam's partner for defending him? I thought you were better than this

also what made you have the expectation that I am "better than this"?

i dont recognize ur name at all never played with you

[DoubtingThomas]

it's odd you are constantly trying to defend Spam by talking about how newbies play in general

Ah so basically you just want to say that it's odd that I disagree with you. Should we all agree with you here? Is it so so clear that Spam is scum here? Because I'm just giving a different perspective to this. If you read better, you would have seen that I told Alch that his argument was solid and that I have no further defense for Spam otjer than "that's how I'm feeling right now".

Nope, never said that ever. I said it's weird for you to go out of your way to defend a newbie who at best you have an opinion of "let's give them breathing room they only played two games" and constantly try to fight with me over this when that newbie has a single vote from me

didn't even talk about you disagreeing with me or not. think it's weird for you to continue talking to me about this, period.

That's the problem: I'm not constantly trying to fight with you about this, I was just throwing my opinion. The way I stated it: "am I the only one who thinks...?" was exactly that, trying to get into the conversation of the only thing that has been discussed about in this game. You're reaaaaally convinced that spam is scum, I'm not that convinced, so I wanted to talk to you about it.

And using newbie common traits is like using a meta read. Since a guy with two games doesn't have meta, you can use newbie common traits to read them. It was nothing more than that.

you are not dropping this subject that's not getting anywhere

this is like our 10th back and forth

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: pinturicchio

I'm Spam's partner for defending him? I thought you were better than this

also what made you have the expectation that I am "better than this"?

i dont recognize ur name at all never played with you

I'm reading a certain game where I had to ISO you and you've gotten better since your August games.

oh i played w u in august?

also you played with me in august -> i played bad

you read my iso in a different game -> i play better

why does that imply i'd be "playing better than this"?

[DoubtingThomas]

Some people use "Moral High Ground" like Master Obi Wan Kanobi tried to teach us. The high ground gives them an advantage.

And I'm not scumreading Doubt, and I'm not defending spam as hard as you guys think. Why would I defend a player who can't be lynched in the first place

Take a sit, Anakin. I saw that everyone were pressuring Spam to the point of making him claim and there were a lot of votes on him and I felt the urge of give him a hand, that's all. Stop depicting my play here as if I were hard defending him, 'cause I'm not. And one more thing: I really don't feel the need to get towncred. Why would I, if I have stated at least two times that I'm basically an IC.

why are you basically IC?

i tonally town read that opening post of yours but you are not IC.

you claimed town miller? thats a role that peeks as red by cops right?

theres always a chance you claim that as scum. not sure why you believe this false premise

[DoubtingThomas]

Dude why the FUCK would I drop the subject if you keep replying about it with misrepresentations? And it is the only thing that has been discussed during this game. Fuck off a little bit.

Essentially with this post,

That's the problem: I'm not constantly trying to fight with you about this

you discredited this previous post of yours, tbh

[DoubtingThomas]

I’m thinking back to how OkaPoka wanted to be the hammer vote on Spam and demanded a role claim but never actually voted the slot and I’m wondering if it was a case of TMI. Maybe he wasn’t expecting Spam to actually claim and wanted to “hammer” for Town cred. Only thing is that he could have been an early vote on the wagon and accomplished the same thing so I’m not sure if he’s partners or not.

wasnt aware that spam was that close to being hammered

i wish mafiascum was not an inferior site to mafia universe and had vote count button instead of waiting for hosts to post vote counts

[DoubtingThomas]

i didnt think spam even had votes

i find it hard to believe villagers wanted to pressure him to the point of voting to make him claim less than 24 hours into the game

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: pinturicchio

I'm Spam's partner for defending him? I thought you were better than this

also what made you have the expectation that I am "better than this"?

i dont recognize ur name at all never played with you

I'm reading a certain game where I had to ISO you and you've gotten better since your August games.

oh i played w u in august?

also you played with me in august -> i played bad

you read my iso in a different game -> i play better

why does that imply i'd be "playing better than this"?

Can I please ask you to reread our discussion maybe an hour or later? I'm not trying to be condescending, but here I have proof that you're not reading me clearly. I said I read your ISO and that you've gotten better since August and you understood that I played with you August.

You said "I haven't played with you so you can't say "I thought you were better than this""; I replied that I read your ISO recently and that you've gotten better since August, meaning that I know you're a good player now (not implying you were bad back in August)

i think "i thought you were better than this" is still a weird thing to say given i only have two games or so since i came back on mafia scum

also you took that much time to read all my games from now and also in august? sounds like a lot of effort. do you do that with everyone?

[DoubtingThomas]

Dude why the FUCK would I drop the subject if you keep replying about it with misrepresentations? And it is the only thing that has been discussed during this game. Fuck off a little bit.

Essentially with this post,

That's the problem: I'm not constantly trying to fight with you about this

you discredited this previous post of yours, tbh

You said I was fighting you; I said I was trying to talk with you about the subject, but you automatically put me as your antagonist for having a different approach to Spam. I'm still not fighting you

i used the word fighting to interact in a verbal discussion where we disagree about things

doesn't change my point, imo. if you were so lightly asking ppl pressuring spam, "he's just a newbie" i feel like you drop this subject earlier

that's my opinion and it is noted for future reference for me to read you. nothing more nothing less.

[DoubtingThomas]

i didnt think spam even had votes

i find it hard to believe villagers wanted to pressure him to the point of voting to make him claim less than 24 hours into the game

We get it. You didn’t read the first few pages.

why did you feel the need to make this post? does this make me scummy or townie?

[DoubtingThomas]

that was not even fucking clear in the way you wrote that

why would you iso a game from my august game if you were iso'ing me for a game you happened to read?

[DoubtingThomas]

elsa why did you vote picca

[DoubtingThomas]

picca do you have reads atm?

[DoubtingThomas]

pokaboka do u have an opinion on anyone

[DoubtingThomas]

dont say sus ass shit in the first place then

"i thought you were better than this" *never played with me before*

yeah you can't blame me for taking this this way

[DoubtingThomas]

picca do you have reads atm?

Alch, Gamma and you as town. My only good reads at this moment 'cause the rest has been the same discussion about the same slot.

why alch and me?

[DoubtingThomas]

thinking vedith and gamma are town

I can understand Gamma, but why the Vedith townread?

similar to last time i saw him town

[DoubtingThomas]

UNVOTE:

Guess we’ll leave it to the vig then. If there’s no vig though we’ll have to double lynch, unless you think another faction would kill them at some point?

not sure what other factions are out there but i dont see mafia faction ever killing them because feels like he is a LHF who will be scum read widely

do you have a reads list?

Why do you assume there is a mafia faction?

sorry for assuming

[DoubtingThomas]

gamma you have opinion on me?

[DoubtingThomas]

only thing to note is maybe throwing away mafia godfather because that role is pretty bastard

Non-normal yes, bastard hell no. You are a weak-spirited mafia player if you consider Godfather bastard.

all the other sites I play on consider godfather pretty much bastard so don't shove your futile opinion down my throat

Well it's very not here, and afaik you've only mentioned MU and I think they have a generally similar fairness barometer (though they seem to hate any open setup MS tries to make).
But whatever, I can understand about what you're saying in theory about GF being powerful, although it's pretty incorrect in G'estIdea I think?

everyone i talked to on MU who hosts a lot said godfather was a bastard set up

we never have a godfather role ever in our games

also i play on webdiplomacy and couple other sites that my friends on mu invite me to

[DoubtingThomas]

IC is a boring role. Choosing that is as fun at choosing VT in this setup.

I mean I'd like IC because I wouldn't have to effort and I'm also over my "sorting people based on interactions" phase, and even then I could still use the "Monster Under The Bed" Tell
PEdit: waow, I'm glad I stopped playing on MU lol

they r better than u tho

[DoubtingThomas]

UNVOTE:

Guess we’ll leave it to the vig then. If there’s no vig though we’ll have to double lynch, unless you think another faction would kill them at some point?

not sure what other factions are out there but i dont see mafia faction ever killing them because feels like he is a LHF who will be scum read widely

do you have a reads list?

Why do you assume there is a mafia faction?

sorry for assuming

This doesn't really answer my question

that was a question? LOL

i just assumed there is a mafia faction. i guess there can be town vs alien alignment technically. didnt think about that

[DoubtingThomas]

Confucius said "Too much is just as bad as too little"

[DoubtingThomas]

I am feeling that brass just wants to wagon anyone he has a chance to wagon which is not how he played in the last town game, tbh

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: brassherald

[DoubtingThomas]

I am feeling that brass just wants to wagon anyone he has a chance to wagon which is not how he played in the last town game, tbh

Oh, you're cute.

I would never willingly choose an alignment outside of town.

that doesn't make me cute

[DoubtingThomas]

yeah not understanding elsa's read

[DoubtingThomas]

I am feeling that brass just wants to wagon anyone he has a chance to wagon which is not how he played in the last town game, tbh

Oh, you're cute.

I would never willingly choose an alignment outside of town.

that doesn't make me cute

Yeah, it does. You're just a sweet summer child who doesn't know my history as scum.

World doesn't revolve around your scum history

[DoubtingThomas]

I am feeling that brass just wants to wagon anyone he has a chance to wagon which is not how he played in the last town game, tbh

Oh, you're cute.

I would never willingly choose an alignment outside of town.

that doesn't make me cute

Yeah, it does. You're just a sweet summer child who doesn't know my history as scum.

World doesn't revolve around your scum history

I don't think it does, but its cute that you think you're going to push me on Day 1.

I am not sure if you know what cute means

[DoubtingThomas]

I am sure you realize what you are saying is nonsense

Someone doesn't become a 'child' for merely pointing out that you have been having odd voting patterns which are distinctively different to your previous town game

that also doesn't equate to "pushing you on Day 1" and that also doesn't equate to being "cute"

are we here to play mafia or just to belittle people for... not knowing your meta? or something

[DoubtingThomas]

I am sure you realize what you are saying is nonsense

Someone doesn't become a 'child' for merely pointing out that you have been having odd voting patterns which are distinctively different to your previous town game

that also doesn't equate to "pushing you on Day 1" and that also doesn't equate to being "cute"

are we here to play mafia or just to belittle people for... not knowing your meta? or something

I'm here to have fun. This is fun.

And Sweet Summer Child just means you are naive.

Also, the game you are referring to is a newbie game, which is different because I was actually being held to like standards, you're in the big leagues here, kid. I'm not beholden to making sure the game moves smoothly.

You were using that newbie game to read me here. Lol

[DoubtingThomas]

Perhaps we can put this debate aside and just lynch Pintu. How about that?

case pintu

[DoubtingThomas]

I am sure you realize what you are saying is nonsense

Someone doesn't become a 'child' for merely pointing out that you have been having odd voting patterns which are distinctively different to your previous town game

that also doesn't equate to "pushing you on Day 1" and that also doesn't equate to being "cute"

are we here to play mafia or just to belittle people for... not knowing your meta? or something

I'm here to have fun. This is fun.

And Sweet Summer Child just means you are naive.

Also, the game you are referring to is a newbie game, which is different because I was actually being held to like standards, you're in the big leagues here, kid. I'm not beholden to making sure the game moves smoothly.

You were using that newbie game to read me here. Lol

You weren't the IC slot held to different standards there, kiddo.

I will ignore you if you call me a kid one more time. It is an unnecessarily annoying remark.

[DoubtingThomas]

There are couple people that I expect to never read me town given their experiences with me. I won't say who they are but I am probably gonna omgus scum read death tunnel them really hard if they fail to realize I am town here unless they have a pretty convincing case that even I can see where they are coming from

[DoubtingThomas]

There are couple people that I expect to never read me

scum

given their experiences with me. I won't say who they are but I am probably gonna omgus scum read death tunnel them really hard if they fail to realize I am town here unless they have a pretty convincing case that even I can see where they are coming from

ebwop

[DoubtingThomas]

also notmyspamaccount

1) Gets pressured
2) Votes me in OMGUS
3) Pintu says ppl calm down
4) I back off and demand notmyspamaccount to give me reads
5) Notmyspamaccount says, "i will read and come up with a good read list"
6) MIA for 2+ days

lol him if hes villa

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: notmyspamaccount

[DoubtingThomas]

Listen peeps

I am trying to get better at the town alignment. My scum game is pretty solid and I get lynched as scum at rate of like 1 games per 20 or something

I am kinda tired of scumming. I also think part of the reason why my scum game on MU is so strong is because my town game is pretty weak.

That's why I am trying to practice my town game here. I am going to actively look for townie people and form a town core. With the town core, I am going to find scums and lynch bad people. I don't have the most accurate reads, but I think I have enough thread presence and influence to do that. First step, of course, to do that on Mafia scum is to log on to this website more. I bet some of you that played with me before sees the difference slightly

Next step is finding townie people. who can town up for me?

[DoubtingThomas]

why the hell do you not pick IC but then claim unlynchable 5 pages into the game

I claimed because you guys would have strung me up otherwise.

scummy submission tbh

I hope I'm misunderstanding you and that you don't find me scummy for not wanting to be lynched?

scums are more likely to care about being killed

villagers are less likely to care about being killed

I still don't want to die.

let me give u a pro tip

dont be scared to die and find scums. if you are town, you are the one who is in the right and have to find the bad guys

if you are scum, being scared will often make other ppl scum read you

dying is fine. good players die all the time n1 because scums are afraid of them.

no matter how good you are, you can't avoid death completely as a townie. don't be scared to die.

I know I can't avoid death completely, but I'd still prefer not to. If you want me dead anyway, then I guess go ahead by all means if it'll help the town. But do it with a vig shot, I don't want you to waste a lynch.

protip 2

stop defending yourself and just focus on finding scums

Ok then, let's get started. Reads list incoming after I do a reread.

NotMySpamAccount's last post. I guess I misremembered it to be 2 days ago because today was a snow day and I took off, but yeah. telling me to "reread" and making a post implying he will get to work immediately while not even reading ~10 pages to form a single opinion? lmao

townies tend to be more curious about reading the game because they want to solve and have limited information. high chance spam is scum here, tbh

[DoubtingThomas]

I lend you my strength, Thomas. Mainly So I can borrow your later.

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

sure thing. can you case pintu?

[DoubtingThomas]

So to answer the accusations, sorry I didn't do the readlist, I'm really busy and I'll get to it when I have more than 10 minutes or so. With that said,

I guess we’re not waiting to see if there’s a vig then?

VOTE: Notmyspamaccount

... Wait. Fuck. I just remembered.

Why are we still trying to Lynch the slot that claimed Unlynchable?

Exactly. I don't want you guys to waste two lynches on me when you have fantastic odds of at least one of the 50 possible scum factions NKing me. Why not lynch someone scummy AND lynchable like brassherald or DT, who took up plenty of space arguing and wasting time OMGUSing instead of scumhunting?

You cannot possibly think I am scummy

[DoubtingThomas]

It's so funny NotMySpamAccount comes into thread to defend himself after being 24 hours+ MIA only because 4 people voted him. I am thinking his scum team members gave him a heads up. I also think theres a scum in those who followed me to vote him.

Vig please vig him tonight

In the mean time VOTE: mcqueen

[DoubtingThomas]

Forgot he was unlynchable because he wasnt playing lol

[DoubtingThomas]

I guess we’re not waiting to see if there’s a vig then?

VOTE: Notmyspamaccount

i like this vote the least. he remembered spam was unlynchable. doesnt make too much sense that he'd vote him now especially that he was against voting spam before because he was lynchable. yes, scum became more scummy for putting in no effort, but i feel like the core of the reason for not voting scum shouldnt have changed just cuz he doesnt play. feels like a wolf trying to go for bus cred on someone who isnt playing.

i also think okapoka is being solvy rn

[DoubtingThomas]

No, that assumption is not correct. Sorry, I did make it sound that way, didn't I? Let me rephrase: Lurking is not AI for me.

i dont care if you're doing alignment indicative or alignment non indicative things.

play or eat the fucking rope.

[DoubtingThomas]

i've never seen a townie absolutely do nothing until he gets heat for playing in a different game while ignoring the current game

then confidently try to say, "lurking is AI for me hurr durr" and still continue to not play

that is blatantly anti town and needs to die

[DoubtingThomas]

i've never seen a townie absolutely do nothing until he gets heat for playing in a different game while ignoring the current game

then confidently try to say, "lurking is

not

AI for me hurr durr" and still continue to not play

that is blatantly anti town and needs to die

ebwop, point still stands.

mcqueen just feels like he's trying to pull the "dgaf townie" cosplay by scum

doesnt work on me because i am Napoleon of that play style

[DoubtingThomas]

No, that assumption is not correct. Sorry, I did make it sound that way, didn't I? Let me rephrase: Lurking is not AI for me.

i dont care if you're doing alignment indicative or alignment non indicative things.

play or eat the fucking rope.

didn’t you site flake not too long ago?

and that has something to do with you being scum here? ok lol

[DoubtingThomas]

No, that assumption is not correct. Sorry, I did make it sound that way, didn't I? Let me rephrase: Lurking is not AI for me.

i dont care if you're doing alignment indicative or alignment non indicative things.

play or eat the fucking rope.

didn’t you site flake not too long ago?

and that has something to do with you being scum here? ok lol

nah it has something to do with you telling me to play when the replacement request thread is filled with your name

I am playing this game and you are not. nice trying to shade but it doesn't work.

find scum or die today.

[DoubtingThomas]

i have never seen a townie ever complain about someone telling them to play the game when they are not just because that said person 'flaked before'

absolutely not a townie thought process

still refusing to read the game and find scums = blatantly anti town play

today's lynch = mcqueen

[DoubtingThomas]

Yeah, Alex, can I get a policy lynch for 500?

VOTE: DoubtingThonas

Hey guys look I am scum for flaking in other games

That's how rand works!!

[DoubtingThomas]

I was the one who pointed out the unlynchable thing again. Alch only asked why we didn't leave it to the vig. Granted, he could also have remembered... But with him also voring him I doubt it.

Nah I remembered he was Unlynchable. Several times in this game I have asked people if they wanted to wait to see if we had a vig or go through 2 lynches. It’s hard to believe everyone forgot he was 1-shot Lynchproof.

vote mcqueen who thinks i am scum for flaking in other games

[DoubtingThomas]

Yeah, Alex, can I get a policy lynch for 500?

VOTE: DoubtingThonas

Hey guys look I am scum for flaking in other games

That's how rand works!!

to be fair, he didn't say you were scum. He explicitely said it was a policy lynch.

policy lynch for what? being the top poster?

dudes not even reading the thread policy lynch that

[DoubtingThomas]

No, that assumption is not correct. Sorry, I did make it sound that way, didn't I? Let me rephrase: Lurking is not AI for me.

i dont care if you're doing alignment indicative or alignment non indicative things.

play or eat the fucking rope.

didn’t you site flake not too long ago?

and that has something to do with you being scum here? ok lol

nah it has something to do with you telling me to play when the replacement request thread is filled with your name

two completely different scenarios. You didn't flake, you're still active on site, which makes this lurking, not flaking.

“Play or eat the rope”

> has flaked recently

> somehow because he’s playing now means he has a record of doing so ???

flaking in other games in the past = not posting in this specific game and getting told to play in this specific game because you've been playing in other games simultaneously?

ok son

can you tell me who your teammates are so we can get through this more quickly

[DoubtingThomas]

I was the one who pointed out the unlynchable thing again. Alch only asked why we didn't leave it to the vig. Granted, he could also have remembered... But with him also voring him I doubt it.

Nah I remembered he was Unlynchable. Several times in this game I have asked people if they wanted to wait to see if we had a vig or go through 2 lynches. It’s hard to believe everyone forgot he was 1-shot Lynchproof.

vote mcqueen who thinks i am scum for flaking in other games

Fine. I could vote there.

VOTE: McQueen

I’m keeping my eye on Allomancer as well. 536 is another post from them that gives me scum vibes.

how does that post give you scum vibes?

[DoubtingThomas]

I was the one who pointed out the unlynchable thing again. Alch only asked why we didn't leave it to the vig. Granted, he could also have remembered... But with him also voring him I doubt it.

Nah I remembered he was Unlynchable. Several times in this game I have asked people if they wanted to wait to see if we had a vig or go through 2 lynches. It’s hard to believe everyone forgot he was 1-shot Lynchproof.

vote mcqueen who thinks i am scum for flaking in other games

Fine. I could vote there.

VOTE: McQueen

I’m keeping my eye on Allomancer as well. 536 is another post from them that gives me scum vibes.

how does that post give you scum vibes?

Feels like he’s trying to pocket you, plus both the posts I mentioned give a sense of scum trying too hard to sound line a logical Townie.

I've liked the way allo calmly interacted between me and mcqueen, pointing out that mcqueen is wrongly 'policy' lynching me for 'flaking' when he is 'lurking' and pointing out that he is 'policy lynching' me rather than 'scum reading' me. These are inherently a townie trait. so i town read him

That being said, my one town experience of him is that he doesn't give a fuck and is quite different to how he is here, so that's something to keep in mind.

I also think OkaPoka PoE'ing 3 scummy people and getting to the conclusion has been pretty townie

I suggest we dont try to lynch oka and allo today because mcqueen just outted big time, tbh

[DoubtingThomas]

I also dislike how brass, and especially elsa, left while interacting with me. I especially wanted elsa to form some sort of opinion when mcqueen was in the thread howling, but she left. somehting to keep in mind

[DoubtingThomas]

yes i totally outed. when i flip green are you gonna parade your innocence for some other shite reason?

i’m not even thinking you’re scum. just fuck off and give me time to catch up. game literally just started.

don't tell me to fuck off you are literally trying to "policy lynch" highest poster and arguably the most townie guy itt for "flaking in previous games that has nothing to do with this game"

lolYou

[DoubtingThomas]

Hey I'm watching and letting the thread breathe. I didn't leave anywhere, Doubt.

what do you think about mcqueen

you too @brass

[DoubtingThomas]

Town core waiting for mcqueen to make a meaningful solving post rather than trying to piss on the thread defending himself

[DoubtingThomas]

I feel the Policy war is shit but he's being more hypocritical about it becuase he's saying you lurk while your actively posting this game.

so is he scum or town or am i scum or town? i need you to take some real stances tbh instead of tunneling pintu all day everyday

[DoubtingThomas]

is mcqueen a bad town player? or is he usually more worth for town to have around

[DoubtingThomas]

Hey I'm watching and letting the thread breathe. I didn't leave anywhere, Doubt.

what do you think about mcqueen

you too @brass

I don't know him from Adam to say if lurking is AI, I don't love his response, but I wouldn't call him caught scum for that alone.

i am not scum reading him for AI. i am scum reading him for his reaction with me and trying to "policy lynch" top poster because he didnt read the thread and then miraculously trying to buddy buddy me by town reading me but we will see how the rest of the game plays

[DoubtingThomas]

Never mind my asking about Alpha. We’re getting side tracked here.

maybe a little preemptive, and i know some will disagree, but i like the early setup questions asked by Alch. they were specific, but not too specific = genuine. at least for now, he gets a slight townread.

feeling good about mcqueen - alch w/w team, tbh. i was secretly thinking alch had high scum equity with his attitude toward me when i was pushing mcqueen. also his suspicion on allo/oka doesn't feel good to me.

i am prob never killing alch today over mcqueen, but this is something to pursue once mcqueen flips red. also this makes allo/oka likely town.

@town remember this when i am spk'ed tonight

[DoubtingThomas]

Hey I'm watching and letting the thread breathe. I didn't leave anywhere, Doubt.

what do you think about mcqueen

you too @brass

I don't know him from Adam to say if lurking is AI, I don't love his response, but I wouldn't call him caught scum for that alone.

i am not scum reading him for AI. i am scum reading him for his reaction with me and trying to "policy lynch" top poster because he didnt read the thread and then miraculously trying to buddy buddy me by town reading me but we will see how the rest of the game plays

you keep saying top poster as if that somehow makes you autotown

You were trying to policy lynch me for "flaking" in previous games. which shouldn't apply to me at all in this game for top posting. also do you have a problem with myself calling me autotown? thought you town read me?

if you really town read me and want to work with me i suggest you stop interacting with me because it's not helping you become convinced u are town

[DoubtingThomas]

I might discard IC with 3 town cards. It's not a role that I would ever want to have.
Saying someone dumped it because they wanted to be scum is a totally worthless topic.
So no, I'm not dodging the subject.

ok but his chance to be scum is higher than the % chance of a random player in the playerlist

so why rvs when we have better rvs

Agree with dave. Oka's persistence early-game for NMSA to claim, or at least repeatedly asking people if he should, does not look good.

Who the balls wants to play as IC if they have a choice to be something else?

You are omitting the fact that he picked unlynchable over IC. unlynchable is a weaker, less fun version of IC, tbh.

[DoubtingThomas]

not inspired by mcqueen's posts so far. just commentary and no attempt to read the person's alignment, imo. no townie curiosity.

don't worry, i will let him breathe, but i probably would end up wanting to lynching him today

[DoubtingThomas]

if you really town read me and want to work with me i suggest you stop interacting with me because it's not helping you become convinced u are town

dont worry i am letting you work dont get worked up. not yet

[DoubtingThomas]

mcqueen has posted elsewhere on site and has only made 4 posts this game btw

nimueh has made three posts in total, nothing of much substance btw

davesaz's iso is literally all card spec/setup spec btw

Scum found.

This guy is atrocious

[DoubtingThomas]

mcqueen maybe you should push davesaz. that might get my vote off of you

[DoubtingThomas]

In particular thinking someone is "lurking" when the thread is only a day old is laughable bordering on scummy.

i mean, this isn't wrong. still think DT is town though

why?

[DoubtingThomas]

ngl i think davesaz is town for p#613

[DoubtingThomas]

[DoubtingThomas]

That's all you have to say, mcqueen? are you gonna continue catch up or continue being scum

[DoubtingThomas]

That's all you have to say, mcqueen? are you gonna continue catch up or continue being scum

If we want to keep up the idea McQueen is scum, who would even be his partner? Is he even a majority scum or solo?

I don't know cuz I am town. Can you check the scum PT and let me know?

[DoubtingThomas]

I don't see a reason why scum wouldn't hammer town!mcqueen right now

[DoubtingThomas]

I don't see a world where mcqueen is not the lynch today either. just hammer

[DoubtingThomas]

mcqueen's push on TTTT does not feel genuine. He's just repeatedly saying, "TTTT is posting scummiest in the game !!!"

Weak reason, unconvincing.

[DoubtingThomas]

mcqueen has lost the opportunity to receive mercy by ending up scumleaning me. atrocious. if he is town he deserves to die today based on his play. if he is scum, well he should die.

just hammer. it's scummier the longer you stall it, tbh

[DoubtingThomas]

mcqueen's push on TTTT does not feel genuine. He's just repeatedly saying, "TTTT is posting scummiest in the game !!!"

Weak reason, unconvincing.

So is urs “hE wAs LurKiNg bUt PoStInG eLsEwHeRe On SiTe!!!”

still failing to read my posts I see. good to know you are worthless player regardless of alignment. don't feel the guilt

[DoubtingThomas]

mcqueen, explain why you were posting elsewhere and not even posting at all in this thread until you were called out and suddenly you don't have the "obligations" you had before to become a top poster

this change of tone/effort is not townie at all

[DoubtingThomas]

mcqueen's push on TTTT does not feel genuine. He's just repeatedly saying, "TTTT is posting scummiest in the game !!!"

Weak reason, unconvincing.

So is urs “hE wAs LurKiNg bUt PoStInG eLsEwHeRe On SiTe!!!”

still failing to read my posts I see. good to know you are worthless player regardless of alignment. don't feel the guilt

Go the fuck back to MU where you belong

at least MU doesn't get singlehandedly fucked in the ass by RadiantCowbells

lolu

go mourn in dead chat kid

[DoubtingThomas]

if you are town, mcqueen. stop omgus'ing so horribly. that was terrible.

[DoubtingThomas]

Question

Are mafia factionals carried out by a player

[DoubtingThomas]

I dont see why scums would kill spam even if he wasnt on their team

Chances were he was unlnychable and when town found out we have no vigis tonight we would be wasting lynches on him

[DoubtingThomas]

Did tttt get hammered?

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: Vedith
Getting strong vibes of lyncher. Vedith is playing very similarly to another lyncher I saw last G'est. They're giving off strong antitown vibes.

Not to burst your bubble but... There's 2 Lyncher cards, both of which have a specification who can be the target. Rare draw out of 146, right?

So your saying Vedith drew the Lyncher card that makes his target the slot above him, in this case being TTTT?

pushing an obscure theory like "xxx is a lyncher (2/146 chance) so we need to kill him" = > rand town for me

[DoubtingThomas]

question 2: mafia factionals/vigi kills cant target the same target in consecutive nights, right?

also elsa, can you tell us what your role is? i ask you this cuz i am confirmed and i dont feel the need to obv town anymore

[DoubtingThomas]

i dont give a shit if you prefer town or your mom prefers scum. it doesn't matter what you prefer. maybe you wanted to scum because you haven't scummed in a while and wants to push the "i prefer town" narrative.

let's stop talking about worthless things

[DoubtingThomas]

question 3: does "mason" in mafiascum mean that both players are 100% sure that the other player is also of town alignment? or is this more like a lover chat?

i ask this because in a recent game i played on 2+2 (another mafia playing website), people thought i was a lover when i called mason for a sometime

[DoubtingThomas]

question 2: mafia factionals/vigi kills cant target the same target in consecutive nights, right?

also elsa, can you tell us what your role is? i ask you this cuz i am confirmed and i dont feel the need to obv town anymore

If it gives you a hint, I visited Spam last night.

it doesnt give me a hint at all. how do you know you were roleblocked? do you get 'you have been roleblocked' message?

[DoubtingThomas]

whats your read list

[DoubtingThomas]

question 3: does "mason" in mafiascum mean that both players are 100% sure that the other player is also of town alignment? or is this more like a lover chat?

i ask this because in a recent game i played on 2+2 (another mafia playing website), people thought i was a lover when i called mason for a sometime

Have you been reading at all today?

i have read. i kinda skimmed tho. can you answer my question?

[DoubtingThomas]

elsa, why did you choose spam? cuz he was scummy?

[DoubtingThomas]

i am reading elsa scummy through her posts. but i think scum!elsa isn't this open about her night action

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: alchemist21

this guy feels like he is coasting

[DoubtingThomas]

Spoiler:

What’s the reason for that vote?

Meh. Oka’s got a good point.

UNVOTE:

I think Allomancer could use some votes. 380 gives me scum vibes from them.

VOTE: Allomancer

Also I probably shouldn't tell you how to read me. But I

will

be obvtown if given room to work. So don't lynch me until Day 3 at the earliest okay?

Brass what do you think about this post? Does Town Gamma ever ask to be given until D3?

I think Goku said that after eating all the food in a restaurant.

I guess we’re not waiting to see if there’s a vig then?

VOTE: Notmyspamaccount

I was the one who pointed out the unlynchable thing again. Alch only asked why we didn't leave it to the vig. Granted, he could also have remembered... But with him also voring him I doubt it.

Nah I remembered he was Unlynchable. Several times in this game I have asked people if they wanted to wait to see if we had a vig or go through 2 lynches. It’s hard to believe everyone forgot he was 1-shot Lynchproof.

I was the one who pointed out the unlynchable thing again. Alch only asked why we didn't leave it to the vig. Granted, he could also have remembered... But with him also voring him I doubt it.

Nah I remembered he was Unlynchable. Several times in this game I have asked people if they wanted to wait to see if we had a vig or go through 2 lynches. It’s hard to believe everyone forgot he was 1-shot Lynchproof.

vote mcqueen who thinks i am scum for flaking in other games

Fine. I could vote there.

VOTE: McQueen

I’m keeping my eye on Allomancer as well. 536 is another post from them that gives me scum vibes.

I was the one who pointed out the unlynchable thing again. Alch only asked why we didn't leave it to the vig. Granted, he could also have remembered... But with him also voring him I doubt it.

Nah I remembered he was Unlynchable. Several times in this game I have asked people if they wanted to wait to see if we had a vig or go through 2 lynches. It’s hard to believe everyone forgot he was 1-shot Lynchproof.

vote mcqueen who thinks i am scum for flaking in other games

Fine. I could vote there.

VOTE: McQueen

I’m keeping my eye on Allomancer as well. 536 is another post from them that gives me scum vibes.

how does that post give you scum vibes?

Feels like he’s trying to pocket you, plus both the posts I mentioned give a sense of scum trying too hard to sound line a logical Townie.

Never mind my asking about Alpha. We’re getting side tracked here.

maybe a little preemptive, and i know some will disagree, but i like the early setup questions asked by Alch. they were specific, but not too specific = genuine. at least for now, he gets a slight townread.

You picked the most NAI thing to try and Townread me for.

There is an Alien 1-shot Unlynchable card.

The way he named his role though is exactly how it’s named for the Town card which makes me believe that’s the card he had, and it sounded like he tried to use the role name to imply his alignment without claiming what specific card he took alignment from which is also suspicious to me.

not exactly getting this post. why's it suspicious? can you rephrase?

I believe I clarified in a later post. He didn’t want to lie about what he took for his alignment card and risk getting counterclaimed. He used the name from his ability card to make it sound like he was Town.

No true Scotsman would try to shut down logical fallacies.

@mod, If there’s no Doc already does the Nurse automatically get the Doc powers or is it just a named Townie at that point?

That’s what I think too but after my misunderstanding with my Wild card I want to make sure.

Actually I don’t think I need the mod’s answer because regardless of the case if mcQueen actually inherited the power from the get-go I think he would been told and would have claimed it.

So he’s basically claiming nothing more than a named role.

Because I have experience with him as scum. Unless you think we’re partners again in this game then my point still stands.

And are we both scum with Spam? Because even if Pint and I are partners the point still holds true that he wasn’t defending his buddy when he defended spam.

Tracker’s also stronger than a Nurse for scum for a couple of reasons. He could be lying about the alignment he took but the pick seems like sub-optimal NAI pick tbh.

Oh wait there’s a Maf tracker card. If he really wanted scum then yeah I see what Brass is saying.

I want my townreads (Alch, Gamma and Vedith; DT, brass and Allo really close but second Tier) to riddle me this:

If pinturicchio gets nightkilled on N1, who did it and why?

I don’t really do Night Kill Analysis, especially for a N1 kill.

VOTE: Allomancer

I’m not really feeling the case on TTTT.

@Pintu, what were you expecting to get Nightkilled for N1? What was your plan?

Town

DT
Gamma
Allo
Pintu
Brass

Maybe town

Elsa
Alch

I think the only one I object to here is brass. I found him a little shady on my reading of what I missed during Day 1

What do you think is the difference between Town and scum Brass?

You think so?

Elsa Jay thinks I fakeclaimed Miller, either as town or scum.

If she is town, she thought I fakeclaimed to have a strong start and have good presence in the game. The reasoning behind this would be "no way Pin rejected mafia Godfather for a Miller role, he has to be a better scumrole or maybe Goon and he did the gambit on purpose to get townread".

Scum!Elsa thinks something along those lines, but with a different approach: "no way Pin rejects Mafia Godfather for a Miller role, he has to be a strong PR and protecting himself from the nightkill by claiming Miller. We should push him to get his real claim or even lynch him for lying".

I have proof of the latter, since I was vanillaised: the vanillaiser is often anti town and a famous Alien role in the greatest idea mafia games. So the vanillaiser, aligned with the scumteam, believed I was something better than a Miller, and targeted me. Elsa, along with other players like TGP, doubted my claim, so they're both my scumreads from now on.

By the way, I was indeed a Miller so thanks for vanillaising a Miller, scumteam, outstanding move.

To be fair during the Night Phase I thought about it and thought you might be something else because of your “what if pint is Nightkilled” post. The Vanillaiser doesn’t necessarily have to be someone who immediately doubted your Miller claim.

VOTE: Allomancer

I’m not really feeling the case on TTTT.

@Pintu, what were you expecting to get Nightkilled for N1? What was your plan?

Someone trying to frame Elsa. I was trying to get nightkilled with that comment by itself. But dying and someone starts pushing Elsa for it. Already discarded option as you can see

Was that supposed to have pushed Elsa or cleared them? How would the rest of us have picked up on what you were doing post-flip?

Town

DT
Gamma
Allo
Pintu
Brass

Maybe town

Elsa
Alch

I think the only one I object to here is brass. I found him a little shady on my reading of what I missed during Day 1

What do you think is the difference between Town and scum Brass?

I forgot he dislikes scum lol
thanks for the reminder

This didn’t really answer the question btw.

Ttt hasn't spoken today. Let's wait on that for a bit.

There are several who haven’t posted yet. We don’t need to end the day before everyone has posted.

Town

DT
Gamma
Allo
Pintu
Brass

Maybe town

Elsa
Alch

I think the only one I object to here is brass. I found him a little shady on my reading of what I missed during Day 1

What do you think is the difference between Town and scum Brass?

I forgot he dislikes scum lol
thanks for the reminder

This didn’t really answer the question btw.

Town brass contributes well, scum brass doesn't

Contributes well in what way? Do you mean he posts a lot or something else?

Oka there’s only a small handful of players that could be TTTT’s Mason partner and you’re voting one of them. I agree they need to post more but let’s maybe not make the other Mason claim yet.

Are you opposed to an Allomancer lynch? If not I suggest coming to this wagon instead.

Are you opposed to an Allomancer lynch? If not I suggest coming to this wagon instead.

im not opposed to it

but why should i trust you, you pushed me so i know that your reads arent the best

lol ok
Why does Mason change things weren't you just pushing tttt?

how doesnt it change everything
i guess if u want we can out mason n2 but the fact that he said there was another mason makes me inclined to believe him
ok maybe he could be scum mason
but maybe the sky is going to rise in the west tomorrow

Having 1 wrong read doesn’t make all my reads wrong. The Allomancer vote is a lot better than running the risk of forcing a 2nd Mason claim right now.

At least you’re honest.

Vedith why do you Townread Allomancer?

it'd be helpful if everyone just spewed their preferred alignment and why

I prefer playing Town these days. Scum is a lot of pressure and I’m not the hardass busser I used to be and don’t like letting my scum buddies down.

I only see “on nim”, I don’t see “ma”

But TTTT’s not hammered so we can let him confirm/deny your claim.

*don’t see the “mas”

You know you can ISO people’s posts, right? Underneath the quick reply box you can see “display posts by user” with a drop down box by it and you can use that to go through and quote his posts.

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cqueen

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'm not ready yet sorry

n

o need to end the day just yet

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eed more thoughts from everyone else

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n your lynch

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o I kinda wanted to hear back from Oka first

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bout why he wanted to hammer but I have to drive home soon and want to spend some time in twilight...
VOTE:

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cqueen

backwards
ignore the hitler joke
threw that post in to make it undetectable
search my games for "hitler joke" I say this in every game

Tttt backed up Nim’s mason claim.

I’d like to know who’s done the most communicating in that PT and if it looks like either have them have seemed to avoid questions asked by the other.

Yeah. I remember a long time ago I had neigborized a player thinking they were Town, and they kinda avoided conversation in our PT. They turned out to be scum and I’m wondering of that same dynamic is going on with them.

It was just heavily implied the beginning of day that Okapoka was mafia by night results from Gamma.

I really don’t trust Gamma here though. I think they have a good chance of being some kind of scum here.

I’d like to know who’s done the most communicating in that PT and if it looks like either have them have seemed to avoid questions asked by the other.

@TTTT, did you guys talk during the two real life days that happened during N1?

here's everything we've discussed:
during pre-game I talked about the importance of crumbing
I explained that we are not conftown to each other (Nim thought we were)
I claimed my two cards and asked Nim to do the same but he didn't post again pre-game
I wanted to see his two cards before the discarded cards were revealed at game-start
during day1 not much happened
Nim said he thought masons were conftown
he also claimed his two cards
and after the backup mod ego posted he asked if he was a third mason
I explained again that we are not conftown to each other as werewolf mason is a thing (and apparently there are more that I didn't realize)
I explained my crumbs and how to point them out if I get lynched and Nim wants to claim later

I TR Nim for the naivete
which I know can be faked but it feels real
wish he'd claimed his cards pre-game but it's not like he was active during that time

I’m inclined to agree with you. It’s a bit weird he had to have the werewolf bit explained twice but seeing his posts in this thread I can believe that it could come from him as Town.

This is alchemist's ISO since 2/20.

Literally can be summarized into:

- Pushes on McQueen (flipped town) when I started pushing him
- Suspicious/weak-spirited push on allo. Doesn't seem like he is dedicated/thinking allo is scum, but justlike "oh why isn't he being voted?"
- Talks about mechanics (which is easy for scums to do)
- Talks about the mason crumb

I think it was weird for alchemist to defend notspam by saying, "he is unlynchable, so we shouldn't kill him". Then when I forgot about that and started pushing him again, he said, "oh so I guess we ARE killing an unlynchable? w/e"

He has no dedication to his reads. He seems like a reed being swung by wind. Doesn't want to commit to any pushes. Not just reads on people's alignment, but even whether or not someone should be mechanically lynched. which is >rand scum trait.

Thinking spam was actually survivalist, it makes sense that alchemist acted that way towards spam if he is scum. alchemist sees spam being scummy, then claiming unlynchable. he thinks it'd be townie to play pro-town by saying, "we shouldn't lynch spam because we'd be wasting lynches" but when townsfolks gather up on spam, alchemist is actually down to lynch spam because he is not on his team.

Also, aclchemist's scum read on allo doesn't make sense. I don't know what it is based off of, but it's day 2. Alchemist should at this point have some sort of solid case on why allo should be voted rather than continuously saying, "this needs vote". I've seen a lot of scums do that. They think it's "cool" and townish in a "calm" way when they say, "this needs vote" without explaining/presenting a case. because he doesn't have a case.

alchemist has not had a single scum read and it is mid day 2. he is scum. today's lynch is alchemist

[DoubtingThomas]

Alchemist is town, though.

dont think so

[DoubtingThomas]

i would certainly need more than your words at this point for you to convince me alchemist is town.

the more i think about it, his attitude towards the game makes more sense as a scum.

his half-hearted push against allo. he doesn't have a single push other than allo at this point. he was fine with pushing mcqueen (flipped town). he believed spam was unlynchable and played pro-town to not waste a lynch on him and remembered this fact but still was okay to vote with the rest of the town (unlike the rest of us who were debating whether or not to believe spam's claim at first, he was more sure that spam was not lying because spam was not in his mafia team. thinking that it's unlikely for spam to be lying when he is town).

even today, he hasn't contributed much outside of "TTTT, i dont see the mason crumb"

[DoubtingThomas]

hmm

[DoubtingThomas]

it's possible there are something like mafia-alien faction (do aliens have kills?) and alchemist is in one of the factions and attacked by the other?

i am not sure why scum faction wanted to kill alchemist. i also dont know why you wanted to out that information atp when he has 1 vote from me

[DoubtingThomas]

Brass make a deal with me. You heal me I Watch you.

That actually makes alot of sense, but saying this publicly defeats the purpose of doing this.

I will not commit to any night plan.

no it doesn't you have to heal vedith today

[DoubtingThomas]

how would mass claim help town tho? i am genuinely asking. i, too, am a town PR btw

[DoubtingThomas]

Brass is that a Doc claim or a different role?

@Thomas I have told you why I think Allo is scum. You also switched your position regarding whether to lynch spam or not so don’t tell me my thinking can’t come from Town.

you are not reading my posts. i am saying yours was scummy because you did it while acknowledging spam is unlynchable. also werent you the one who suggested not to lynch him because he is an unlynchable first?

[DoubtingThomas]

so maybe brass is a scum who tried to kill alchemist who thinks there is a doctor now because alchemist didnt die

[DoubtingThomas]

You couldn’t have stopped a kill on me then because I’m ascetic. Your protection would have done nothing.

... Why are you sure you were attacked though anyway? All he said was he healed you.

Why out the ascetic part?

technically brass outted that

[DoubtingThomas]

oh just read ascetic. it doesn't stop a kill huh

[DoubtingThomas]

wait i am confused. ascetic stops all actions but the kill. @brass, why did you think alchemist was targetted or that you healed him?

[DoubtingThomas]

oh wait i get it. alchemist was not targetted for anything at all. ok

so alchemist can be scum ascetic or brass can be scum doctor or they can both be town

[DoubtingThomas]

alchemist, why would you choose an ascetic townie as your role? sounds like a terrible role? unless you are mafia ascetic lolmao

[DoubtingThomas]

dude

wildcard

ohhh that's wild

still doesn't say anything for alchemist's alignment, tho

[DoubtingThomas]

thinking that actually puts him at >rand scum.

if i were town, i already have a limited info. i wouldnt want to pick a town alignment and yolo my role because it can be utter trash

thinking if i were to use a wildcard, i would choose mafia alignment so i at least know i have an advantage in having plethora of information

makes sense to me, tbh. vote him with me

[DoubtingThomas]

i dont see why you wouldnt claim the third card atp. you basically claimed everything else

[DoubtingThomas]

oka, do you have reads list?

[DoubtingThomas]

i am wondering why brass healed alchemist

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: nimueh

[DoubtingThomas]

i am wondering why brass healed alchemist

I thought he was most likely to be killed.

i dont see it

[DoubtingThomas]

man in mu, like at least half of you will be scum read in every game

[DoubtingThomas]

scum are playing atrociously unless they got unlucky and have like 2 people

[DoubtingThomas]

what in the world

[DoubtingThomas]

brass, how did you know that you 'healed' alchemist correctly?

[DoubtingThomas]

Vedith
TTTT
Elsa Jay
Alchemist21
brassherald

davesaz
Gamma Emerald
OkaPoka
Allomancer
pinturicchio

ofrhz
TheGoldenParadox
Nimueh

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: doubting thomas

so what this vote is saying is you don't believe vedith's claimed scan on me

[DoubtingThomas]

and that you want to lynch a high posting, high contributing player over potatoes

ok

[DoubtingThomas]

oka, please give me your reads list. "i am going to wait for gamma to do stuff" doesn't cut it anymore

[DoubtingThomas]

oh just read ascetic. it doesn't stop a kill huh

i think this is a scum slip

can you explain how it is a scum slip?

and why you believe that over the other 159 posts i have or vedith's scan? do you think vedith is scum or town? if town, why do you think he faked a green check on me like that?

[DoubtingThomas]

yikes, oka. "I am too cool to play" townie style does not fly with me because i am the coolest townie player there is

[DoubtingThomas]

literally not even substantiating one bit of whatever the fuck you are saying and when asked to contribute, "nah"

that's not playing for sure. is it too cool to play or just not playing? if the latter, i will just report you for gamethrow glgl

[DoubtingThomas]

maybe i wouldnt lose my town read on you if you said something logical like, "you are constantly pushing towns (mcqueen and alchemist)" but

"think this is a scum slip"

that's palpable

[DoubtingThomas]

it's not about advantages anymore, oka

you are literally pushing me out of something that is seemling made out of your ass and when asked how you got to that conclusion, straight up denying to cooperate

you realize this straight up makes you look scummy? i want to lynch you so bad. like if i was a vigi you are dead tonight for sure.

even if you are town and even IF you were right ( you are not, but if you were), you can never win a game of mafia with this kind of strategy. you are not allowing other town members to see what you are seeing, no matter how good your read is

mafia is not all about catching scum. it's also about communicating with others and convince rest of the town bloc to understand your scum case on a person so that they will vote with you

what you are doing is -EV for either alignment. maybe you are a jester? idk

[DoubtingThomas]

it's not about advantages anymore, oka

you are literally pushing me out of something that is seemling made out of your ass and when asked how you got to that conclusion, straight up denying to cooperate

you realize this straight up makes you look scummy? i want to lynch you so bad. like if i was a vigi you are dead tonight for sure.

even if you are town and even IF you were right ( you are not, but if you were), you can never win a game of mafia with this kind of strategy. you are not allowing other town members to see what you are seeing, no matter how good your read is

mafia is not all about catching scum. it's also about communicating with others and convince rest of the town bloc to understand your scum case on a person so that they will vote with you

what you are doing is -EV for either alignment. maybe you are a jester? idk

literally who cares what i think

its not like you are going to listen to whatever case i want to type up anyways

i pointed what i feel like makes sense, if you see it you see it if you don't you don't. im not going to go out of my way to persuade people when there is a near zero of it ever working.

This kind of behavior is really dumb.

Are you what like 5?

Your scum case on me helps me understand if you are a town who thinks I am genuinely scum or if you are a scum just trying to push me. I definitely do care what you think because this is how I play.

Also, maybe it will help others to see that I am scum once you explain. Literally you lose nothing by explaining, so why are you not willing to let us see what you are seeing?

Only answer I think is plausible is because you are a scum who just made up random weak bullshit to me, but fear not, you may be able to change your mind if you start cooperating

[DoubtingThomas]

because its a place to start to get the ball rolling

you got the ball going on for you to be near-lynched so claim vigi

good one

[DoubtingThomas]

elsa case on pint:

"he's asking to be lynched"
"he must've roleblocked me or something!"
"i dont think he got vanilla'd"


also pint is discrediting the idea that vig killed survivor

Oh yeah a bunch of things could've happened. What I mean is that I don't think the kill was made by a vig

which is interesting that they are in agreement here

and on masons

also pint's case on elsa seems to be
"doesn't believe my claim and vanilla'd me"

these are shit cases
they've been sitting on them for a very long time
and the pushes are weak, and startling only relevant to themselves. literally non applicable for everyone else
svs

VOTE: pint

this is a good point. i have been scum reading elsa. only thing that stops me is how she was really open about being roleblocked and whatnot. could be faked by scum to get town cred tho

[DoubtingThomas]

elsa should give out her other card

I already gave out my damn ability. My other card is irrelevant at the moment. I'll only say it wasn't a second VT card but also a PR. Not outting which card is out of play.

"No Result" is what I specifically got.

Yeah that's a little too specific

Working with what I got and helping town by saying I got roleblocked. Or something was on Spam that stopped me from seeing who did the kill.

Why is Elsa insistent on multiball theory and believes scum shot survivor? Pretty obv to me that its a town motivated kill.

I agree

You can't see Oka is the one who did the fucking kill and wants to claim the Vigi shot? Okay then.

say your last card

VOTE: elsa jay

[DoubtingThomas]

OkaPoka's actions today seems like defeated scum. Doesn't contribute anything until getting a claim; votes obvtown to avoid associations; when he doesn't gets a claim tries to discredit both votes on him by discrediting the voters, aka ad hominem fallacy.

Bye little birdy.

not a real read

[DoubtingThomas]

So you don't make a case on someone in case you flip and make that player obvtown. Like, if Oka flips scum, TTTT would be a solid townread for me. But it's like the only player he has pushed so he's avoiding that. You get what I'm saying?

this is better tho

[DoubtingThomas]

I'm feeling a little bit hesitant about this. The cases are good, but this wagon seems to be forming really quickly with no real opposition. If OkaPoka is scum, I'm having a hard time seeing it as group scum.

i agree

and oka claimed vigi. i think we let him resolve

[DoubtingThomas]

elsa why aren't you voting your love pintu

[DoubtingThomas]

oka felt a lot better after i left. also how he pointed out elsa-pintu are voting with each other and how their case against each other is weak.

i also don't want to kill a claimed vigi. let's not lynch there, imo

[DoubtingThomas]

TOWNIE/CLAIMED PR'S

Brass
Vedith
TTTT (who was tttt's mason partner?)

NOT LYNCH TODAY

OkaPoka
Elsa

[DoubtingThomas]

POE

pintu, thegoldenparadox, davesaz, ofhrhz, allo, nimueh

only person i've ever had town read on from above list is like allo and a little bit pintu/davesaz over a post or two

allo
pintu
davesaz
goldenparadox/ofhrz/nimueh

thinking we should kill out of goldenparadox/ofhrz/nimueh.

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: thegoldenparadox

then today is really easy

[DoubtingThomas]

unvote our claimed vigi, unless you think he's scum vigi who outted himself like that??

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: thegoldenparadox

then today is really easy

You mentioned Nimueh, Paradox, AND Ofrhz. Any reason why Paradox first?

feels worst about them. i wouldnt oppose an ofrhz lynch over him tho

nimueh, i just forgot they were mason partner. that's claimed pr i cannot lynch there.

just forgot i forgot about gamma. i town read her because she sounded different to when she was in merchant's dance ( i was scum with her )

kinda feels like she sounds the same now given that she is not contributing, but posting like 3 posts a day just to not be prodded if you know what i am saying

[DoubtingThomas]

I have an idea. I think we should all claim alignment cards, popcorn style at this point. We don't need full role claims from anyone.

I would suggest TTTT starts that.

But, if people don't think this is a good idea, I'm not going to really fight hard for it, tbh.

The thing TTTT suggested Day 1 you mean?
Also thanks Vedith!

Yeah, but now it's Day 2, and my idea.

Which is inherently better because I am a genius.

And sexy.

You...just said TTTT's idea wasn't what you meant.

I mean, are we all really going to sit here and talk about how the alignment of the card we used for alignment was town?

I'm saying, we used a card for alignment, so we should claim that card. Be it VT, Town Doctor, Town Tracker, Town Cop, Town Spaghetti Eater, whatever!

I see

How does that help us tho

[DoubtingThomas]

Are you guys fuckinbg dumb? We always lynch an antitown 3p unless we have some sort of outted scum

[DoubtingThomas]

Chances r the 3p is lying about his wincon plus if we are not guaranteed a acum lynch, we might hit town and if the 3 p lied about his wincon we r really fucked tomorrow

So we have to kill dave

[DoubtingThomas]

I dont think brass is mod conf town

Even if he is mod conf town, i am not gonna vote with him bexause even if he is town his thoughts on the game might be wrong

You are grasping at straws, elsa. I will never lynch mason claim over 3p antitown claim

If i lose the game over this, i dont care cuz its mechanically the correct play

VOTE: davesaz

[DoubtingThomas]

Wtf does usefulness have to do with lynching a potential town over an outted antitown

[DoubtingThomas]

3p is

not anti town

So many delusional sheep.

you are not town and i could care less about your wincon

[DoubtingThomas]

It means killing 2 Scum instead of 1. Haven't you been reading?

your scum read on TTTT does not mean TTTT is scum.

In a world where TTTT is town mason and davesaz is 3p

Town loses a town mason, davesaz, a 3p, "achieves wincon" (could be lying. could not be. doesn't help town at all. actually hurts town cuz "Town mason" died

In a world where TTTT is scum and davesaz is 3p

Lynching davesaz over TTTT is not really an issue. We kill dave, and if TTTT (claimed mason) doesn't die soon enough, he has to eventually die. We do not get an advantage over killing TTTT before davesaz

There is always a chance

ALWAYS A CHANCE

that TTTT is town because you do not have a mechanically clear information that TTTT is scum.

IF TTTT IS TOWN

lynching TTTT over davesaz is a

BIG DISADVANTAGE

for town

IF TTTT IS SCUM

town doesn't lose anything by lynching davesaz FIRST

IF TTTT IS TOWN AND WE LYNCH HIM TODAY, WE ARE DOING SCUM'S JOB FOR THEM

this is out of discussion

anyone trying to lynch tttt over davesaz will be locked into my outted scum list and I will tunnel forever

[DoubtingThomas]

this is why you don't fucking claim 3p as 3p

because town gives 0 shits about your wincon unless your win condition resides with town's

there is non zero chance that dave's wincon hurts town (if TTTT is town which we are never 100% sure if he is scum or not)

so i am not going to take that motherfucking chance just so a random 3p ass who i dont give a fuck about can win or not win the game

i am going to go to safe route and kill the unhelpful 3p

lesson learned, never claim u r 3p unless you can somehow convince townies that you are pro town

or pretend to be town

[DoubtingThomas]

He already just admitted to lying. And he hammered a nurse claim as a "doctor". Kindly just kill him already.

didnt brass (the doctor) also kill the nurse claim?

i mean

[DoubtingThomas]

what is this talk about doctor mason claim?

i am not sure what it means and how that is relevant at all

TTTT, you are claiming doctor mason?

[DoubtingThomas]

Elsa is just rambling stuff now because they tried to keep Dave alive and it back fired.
My crystal ball says better luck next time, Elsa.

I'm pissed because now everyone is ignoring that the MOD CONFIRMED DOCTOR agrees TTT is the best lynch with me. And that TTT admits to being a liar.

If Jesus came back and told me that TTTT is scum, I would still doubt him.

I don't give a shit if a mod confirmed yabooty thinks someone is scum, it's meaningless to me

[DoubtingThomas]

Your also ignoring TTTs a hammerer and liar, DT.

you constantly preaching that we should listen to Brass because he is mod confirmed is actually really sucmmy

[DoubtingThomas]

i think hammer is NAI and i will buy vedith's attestment that it is NAI for oka for now

what did he exactly lie about?

[DoubtingThomas]

how am i being scummy elsa

because i dont listen to brass like he is my daddy?

[DoubtingThomas]

TTTT claim your cards for real.

And who you healed last night.

mason doc
fbi agent

I don't think I should claim my target
without knowing if this is multiball
probably just helps scum
Nim knows in case it's relevant later and I'm not around

So ur alignment card is town fbi agent’s town, right?

[DoubtingThomas]

Why didnt vedith die?

[DoubtingThomas]

I dont know if oka beinng only kp means town

He can easily be mafia vigilante

[DoubtingThomas]

No way mafia are full incompetent and do not kill doc do not kill cop do not kill vigi

[DoubtingThomas]

Prob a scum in there ino

[DoubtingThomas]

Elsa whats ur result