Non-Reviewed Game [game over]

[Ankamius]

:3

[Ankamius]

all shes done in 40 pages is push a PL on DT

Read her ISO and realize 3 things she talks about: DT is Scum, fluff and non-game related info, and only commenting on reads to state she is town.

VOTE: Sabrina

None of this is useful.

Pedit: What he said.l

Is this really it?

[Ankamius]

Your points are well taken. Wrackspurts are a nuisance, It's hard to remeber people when your brain is fuzzy.
Thomas can be a bit arrogant, but she could have done something else.

VOTE: Sabrina

I mean its better than nothing but worse than anything else really.

Because all shes done is fluff. I dont support this.

Wtf is this?

[Ankamius]

What are the claimed roles atm? I'm seeing a few references to roles but nothing immediately jumps out to me as to who has what role and xyzzys iso is giving me nothing to work with

[Ankamius]

Wisdom what does the gamestate look like atm

Where are you working from

[Ankamius]

Who's town?

[Ankamius]

Your points are well taken. Wrackspurts are a nuisance, It's hard to remeber people when your brain is fuzzy.
Thomas can be a bit arrogant, but she could have done something else.

VOTE: Sabrina

I mean its better than nothing but worse than anything else really.

Because all shes done is fluff. I dont support this.

Wtf is this?

BTW ignore this, I thought they were from the same slot for some reason

[Ankamius]

Elsa, DT, Ausuka, maybe Starwing, maybe Gamma

plus some of these claims i guess

Which VC do you think is the most important one so far?

Alternatively, what is the biggest turning point of the day up to this point

[Ankamius]

Hmmmmm

I might need to read the full game, sadly

I'm getting the sense just from reading a couple pages at that point that there's a lot of interaction info buried in there

I'll be back later unless there's other questions or concerns for me

[Ankamius]

Can I at least get caught up first

[Ankamius]

Vedith good timing

where is your head at atm

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Elsa Jay

[Ankamius]

I'm on page 12 atm and the fact that I'm not mindmelding with anyone makes me really wonder about the game so far

I have three scumreads.

[Ankamius]

the ausuka wagon around that time was horrible btw

[Ankamius]

wait, are scum all WKing gamma

right now? together?

here's scumread #4!

[Ankamius]

I see no reason to think the gamma wagon isn't scum pushed atm tho so...

wat

[Ankamius]

votecount 1.10

4 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Vedith, Dunnstral, Wisdom, davesaz)
3 players voting for Ausuka (wilky, DoubtingThomas, Elsa Jay)
2 players voting for light_ganski (Ausuka, Fuscosco)
2 players voting for Vedith (MariaR, light_ganski)
1 player voting for Sabrina LeCutie (StarwingBeauvoi)
1 player voting for wilky (Sabrina LeCutie)
1 player voting for DoubtingThomas (ofrhz)
1 player voting for davesaz (Gamma Emerald)

2 players not voting (Clemency, Enigma)

with 17 votes, it takes 9 to lynch.

day 1 will end in (expired on 2019-03-19 19:00:00).

mod notes:

this is a very good VC to go back to and visit on like... D4

This is an information gold mine with flips

[Ankamius]

I joined mafia scum for one purpose.

TO CHANGE THE SITE'S META FROM PLAYING ANTI-TOWN ON PURPOSE FOR PERSONAL "META" REASONS THAT INCLUDES BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING:

- Not contributing
- Not answering questions
- Ignoring posts
- Self voting
- Talking about subbing out
- Etc

Get off your high horse and play mafia with me

VOTE: Ankamius

[Ankamius]

nah just kidding

Fuscosco is probably town actually

[Ankamius]

I'd support a vig on DoubtingThomas just to get him out of the game, his posts are exceptionally annoying

[Ankamius]

4 players voting for Elsa Jay (Clemency, ofrhz, light_ganski, DoubtingThomas)

oh dear lord

[Ankamius]

Given Gamma's activity issue is with moving, I don't think my "pressure" is going to yield anything.
Let's try this for a bit.
VOTE: Sabrina LeCutie

I'd kinda like to sort some more people with the available time.
But if that's not gonna happen then yeah.

this is really bad

[Ankamius]

TOWN

Ausuka
Dunnstral
Wisdom

TOWNISH

Fuscosco
Gamma Emerald
ofrhz
Vedith

WHO? (AKA SORT LATER)

chennisden
Elsa Jay
Enigma
Sabrina LeCutie
StarwingBeauvoi

SCUMMISH

DoubtingThomas
MariaR

SCUM

davesaz
light_ganski

[Ankamius]

VOTE: light_ganski

[Ankamius]

millenials think it's cool to say stuff like, "XXX is annoying, so let's kill him"

what they don't know is that posts like those never help a town wincon and only helps scum hide their scummy agenda more effectively, so are inherently scummy of a post. so it makes them wanna annoy them and kill them more

guess what slots are the best vig targets

[Ankamius]

Elsa can actually go into the townish category for that next level bad wagon on them

[Ankamius]

... And not because I claimed Friendly Neighbor? Well, I guess backup proof is always good too...

this doesn't matter until it's proven

at best it temporarily makes you null

[Ankamius]

We were still somewhat in a random voting state. Some of us at least.

ok

[Ankamius]

sabrina

full reads pls

[Ankamius]

a slot that's been here for SIX HOURS has reads on 2/3 of the playerlist

there's no excuse for having only one

[Ankamius]

I wouldn't be too upset by that

[Ankamius]

no

[Ankamius]

I... Probably should though. But if nobody wants me too I won't.

no because your target has higher NK equity

[Ankamius]

I know your reads are bad because if your reads were legit we wouldn't have had 4 wagons right now.
pedit: Exactly why you put it on someone we want to die!

when we have a claimed vig?

[Ankamius]

davesaz is scum because his ISO is not good

[Ankamius]

I... Probably should though. But if nobody wants me too I won't.

no because your target has higher NK equity

I'm not saying why but I'm going on one of Dunn/Ausuka/Vedith.

Keep that in mind.

I'm fine with this list

[Ankamius]

davesaz is scum because his ISO is not good

by not good I mean there's a ton of that same type of posting in there

pointless question
weird engagements

etc.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Davesaz

[Ankamius]

first I've heard of davesaz being a compromise lynch?

[Ankamius]

dave's posts in the first like 5-10 pages are stand out scummy from everything else

light only started being scummy towards the back end of that range and a bit beyond that

[Ankamius]

davesaz is scum because his ISO is not good

by not good I mean there's a ton of that same type of posting in there

pointless question
weird engagements

etc.

This... Seems decent then. Frankly it's just weird now that he replaced out the second stuff happened.

Actually, I think this exact situation happened hefore with Dave. Yeah... It's not AI but I can't really see a way a new person can save that slot unless it's like Almost or something.

VOTE: Dave

posts like this are why I'm not hardtownreading you btw

[Ankamius]

I didn't get that impression from sabrina at all

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Davesaz

[Ankamius]

Ankamius Elsa Jay

:D

[Ankamius]

what

[Ankamius]

why can't you just choose a side

[Ankamius]

why

[Ankamius]

that... sounds like a side to me

[Ankamius]

elsa is sketchy af

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Enter

Talk to me, Enter.

What exactly do you need to get into the game?

[Ankamius]

What are you even talking about?

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Enter

Talk to me, Enter.

What exactly do you need to get into the game?

Game state, important events, who's been pushed as a mislynch (or looks pretty mislynchable) and your top scum reads right now

Game state currently is an impasse with every major wagon having claimed a role that is sortable mechanically (except the rolestopper), the game is pretty apathetic atm and people are mostly sheeping whatever the new wagon is. I don't have enough info to get more from it atm

Important events is all the wagons tbh, nothing else interesting has happened

Who's been pushed? Ausuka, lightganski, enigma, ofrhz, Chen... I think that's it? I'm not counting the rvs Gamma Emerald one

My top scumreads are your slot and light_ganski

[Ankamius]

I was kinda half-skimming the first couple pages of the game thread and Ausuka caught my eye, so I ISO'd her

Not a big fan

People that aren't Ausuka, talk to me about Ausuka

Ausuka, talk to me about your reads

Spoiler: Ausuka stuff

VOTE: Fuscosco

They feel really forced so far.

vote: ausuka

your face is forced

THIS feels forced.
In both directions.

Asking someone for how confident they are so early feels like it weakens someone elses push rather than sort out reads

The reason I asked was because I can't follow the progression of "this could be town and this could be scum" then a vote. Like that's the definition of null and I know she said "I think it could be scum" but I don't really know how much confidence that's meant to convey and it altogether came across as non-comittal. Also I am literally voting the same person as light so why do you think I'm derailing the push that was exactly the same push as hers?

Asking someone for how confident they are so early feels like it weakens someone elses push rather than sort out reads

^This. Who has a confident scum read on page 3?

It feels like derailment tactic if anything

If you think this why didn't you say anything before Dunnstral posted?

VOTE: lightganski

Actual OMGUS

Spoiler: Ausuka exclusively changing her vote almost every post in her ISO

the gamma wagon is confusing; i understand that it's a way to get the game started but i'd think it would be more prudent to vote for me or light or vedith rather than gamma.

i actually don't think anyone voting me is scummy yet; there's probably 1-2 scum in players like enigma, clemency, elsa, ofrhz? who feel kind of like they're holding back. there are a lot of nully people in general.

to those asking about my line about the gamma wagon; it generally seems like it would be a good idea to build on what we have, even if people are just pretending to actually believe it, then build a wagon that explicitly is not on a scumread because i think the first one would cause more pressure and cause the game to get started a lot faster. if there's a case on gamma that i missed i'd be wrong but i don't think there is one.

@enigma; those players are holding back in terms of content; it's certainly possible some of you are busy irl but we can't just assume that as an excuse for giving no content, i think.

UNVOTE:

dt is less scummy now i guess because i like their dunnstral push.

i don't really know where to go now though.

VOTE: sabrina

i think that this needs more pressure: i feel her policy push on dt is clearly not working and as town she would either take a different angle to pushing DT or push somebody else. Right now she feels like scum who's satisfied with her current position of mostly flying under the radar and being ignored.

VOTE: elsa jay

I feel like ofrhz's recent posts are kinda towny? Like it feels like they genuinely want to help town after their flip. There's probably scum in the claims so far but I'm not that interested in going there d1.

VOTE: Sabrina

VOTE: Gemerald
i feel like she's been kinda meh in this game and hasn't really felt like she's been trying to solve. her most recent post says that xyzzy is a dunce for trying to replace her; even though she didn't post for 6 days. this implies that xyzzy should know for some other reason that she isn't flaking on this game and i think the most likely possibility for that is that she's still been somewhat active in the scum PT.

Meh I guess Gamma's more likely just being randomly abrasive than real scum. The argument doesn't really work anymore if Gamma can't post at all during that time.

VOTE: Sabrina I guess this still works for me more than anything else but there's no momentum here :/

I really do not like this post, and it's not because I think Ausuka is really town this game.

[Ankamius]

The watcher claim

I'm willing to let that sit for today

[Ankamius]

Enter looks like he's trying to appear like his town self rather than being his town self atm

[Ankamius]

I don't think he realizes that I wasn't kidding when I said he plays like I did in 2014 and this is the kind of thing I did as scum back then.

[Ankamius]

suddenly I'm more sure Enter is town

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Sabrina LeCutie

[Ankamius]

suddenly I'm more sure Enter is town

because your scumread on light is wrong

what about light's push was town

[Ankamius]

Spoiler:

Top poster 20 minutes into joining the game

I am Locktown

Yeah, no.

Spamming =/= town. In fact, if it weren't for you replacing in and catching up, I'd say you'd be pretty scummy for trying this tactic.

You know what, fuck it, even for a replace in that spam seemed like you were trying to seem overly towny.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

scum

No. This is objectively bad play, but it's not

scummy

play.

Sabrina is largely null, leaning towards scum because of her lack of actually doing anything but her DT push is NAI

Tell us what your dinner was first before you conk out first.

redundancy

you don't need to say "first" twice

why

I joined mafia scum for one purpose.

TO CHANGE THE SITE'S META FROM PLAYING ANTI-TOWN ON PURPOSE FOR PERSONAL "META" REASONS THAT INCLUDES BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING:

- Not contributing
- Not answering questions
- Ignoring posts
- Self voting
- Talking about subbing out
- Etc

Get off your high horse and play mafia with me

hey, me too!

why aren't you voting the person who already self-voted

why is the self vote, at the beginning of rvs, justification on its own for a push?

Self-votes are scummy. Anti-town and I've seen like 2? townies use self-votes when not trying to AtE, but like 3 more scum, off the top of my head.

VOTE: ofhrz

what's the scum motivation for ofrhz to selfvote here?

What's the town motivation for her to self-vote?

I don't know about you but I've self voted as town in rvs before

Its so NAI that the fact you've brought it up in multiple posts is weird

Spoiler:

I'll tell you what reactions you get from a self-vote:

"why did you self-vote" (that's NAI)
"I don't like it when people self-vote" (also NAI)
"I'm glad they self-voted" (NAI)

Here's what stances you show on other people when you self vote:

None. Because you don't respond to anyone, you don't show willingness to vote anyone, you don't jump on a wagon that already has five people on it

Let's compare that to voting someone else:

There were five votes on GE this game, that's particularly interesting:

ofrhz votes someone on the GE wagon: this might be a legit serious stance
Possible reactions:
"do you not like the ge wagon, ofrhz?"
"what did that specific player do that the others didn't do?"
One of those players flips down the line and now all of a sudden it's a little easier to see why ofrhz might vote them in RVS - to get some possible distance in (weak, sure, but better than nothing)

Mafia is a game of reading people.
You read people by getting them to react to things
One good way to get people to interact with things is to threaten to lynch them if they don't
One good way to threaten to lynch people is to vote them
This is why we have RVS
In RVS no one has any reads on anyone
So we begin threatening to lynch everyone
We put our votes everywhere
We see what stances people are willing to take
We see how people are trying to play the game
Who has an agenda - people tehy dont necessarily want lynched no matter what
Who has no agenda - willing to look at anyone and definitely trying to figure out what's going on

By self-voting, you refuse all town motivations in RVS
It's a sign that you already know who's who and what's what, because there is no confusion, no need to push elsewhere to garnish reads

If this were posted in mafia discussion it would make an interesting talking point

Posted less than 48 hours before deadline when you're the primary wagon makes it seem like you're trying to avoid actually contributing

I was kinda half-skimming the first couple pages of the game thread and Ausuka caught my eye, so I ISO'd her

Not a big fan

People that aren't Ausuka, talk to me about Ausuka

Ausuka, talk to me about your reads

Spoiler: Ausuka stuff

VOTE: Fuscosco

They feel really forced so far.

vote: ausuka

your face is forced

THIS feels forced.
In both directions.

Asking someone for how confident they are so early feels like it weakens someone elses push rather than sort out reads

The reason I asked was because I can't follow the progression of "this could be town and this could be scum" then a vote. Like that's the definition of null and I know she said "I think it could be scum" but I don't really know how much confidence that's meant to convey and it altogether came across as non-comittal. Also I am literally voting the same person as light so why do you think I'm derailing the push that was exactly the same push as hers?

Asking someone for how confident they are so early feels like it weakens someone elses push rather than sort out reads

^This. Who has a confident scum read on page 3?

It feels like derailment tactic if anything

If you think this why didn't you say anything before Dunnstral posted?

VOTE: lightganski

Actual OMGUS

Spoiler: Ausuka exclusively changing her vote almost every post in her ISO

the gamma wagon is confusing; i understand that it's a way to get the game started but i'd think it would be more prudent to vote for me or light or vedith rather than gamma.

i actually don't think anyone voting me is scummy yet; there's probably 1-2 scum in players like enigma, clemency, elsa, ofrhz? who feel kind of like they're holding back. there are a lot of nully people in general.

to those asking about my line about the gamma wagon; it generally seems like it would be a good idea to build on what we have, even if people are just pretending to actually believe it, then build a wagon that explicitly is not on a scumread because i think the first one would cause more pressure and cause the game to get started a lot faster. if there's a case on gamma that i missed i'd be wrong but i don't think there is one.

@enigma; those players are holding back in terms of content; it's certainly possible some of you are busy irl but we can't just assume that as an excuse for giving no content, i think.

UNVOTE:

dt is less scummy now i guess because i like their dunnstral push.

i don't really know where to go now though.

VOTE: sabrina

i think that this needs more pressure: i feel her policy push on dt is clearly not working and as town she would either take a different angle to pushing DT or push somebody else. Right now she feels like scum who's satisfied with her current position of mostly flying under the radar and being ignored.

VOTE: elsa jay

I feel like ofrhz's recent posts are kinda towny? Like it feels like they genuinely want to help town after their flip. There's probably scum in the claims so far but I'm not that interested in going there d1.

VOTE: Sabrina

VOTE: Gemerald
i feel like she's been kinda meh in this game and hasn't really felt like she's been trying to solve. her most recent post says that xyzzy is a dunce for trying to replace her; even though she didn't post for 6 days. this implies that xyzzy should know for some other reason that she isn't flaking on this game and i think the most likely possibility for that is that she's still been somewhat active in the scum PT.

Meh I guess Gamma's more likely just being randomly abrasive than real scum. The argument doesn't really work anymore if Gamma can't post at all during that time.

VOTE: Sabrina I guess this still works for me more than anything else but there's no momentum here :/

Why specifically is ausuka changing her vote a lot early on scummy?

Not interested in ausuka wagon either

Fascinating.

given the speed people are jumping on I'm actually losing interest myself.

talk about people voting Ausuka at this time, wilky, DT, EJ

This in contrast with your other ausuka posts

Makes your whole ausuka thing seem really distance-y

I've bolded everything I'm really disliking about light's recent posts for you Wisdom

[Ankamius]

ok cool

I'm not reposting that

[Ankamius]

#1284: Oversimplification; I can see why Enter would find that post scummy without it being the push on DT

#1285: Enter literally just told DT to put his money where his mouth is. The justification is literally right there.

#1290+1295: It's worded like it's shade more than her believing that what Enter is doing is scummy.

Does that explain it?

[Ankamius]

cmon ank. Have you played with light before? It might be playstyle. Youre prone to that.

does light have a tendency to just miss things

because if not, then it's a scummy push

[Ankamius]

there's 3 lines of text there.

[Ankamius]

then we just interpreted her push differently

[Ankamius]

ok can you reread the enter slot without letting light affect you

I can see his thought processes better now, actually

I want to see what he does tomorrow

[Ankamius]

tomorrow he will be in the dead pt wishing luck to his buddies

srsly ank youve let one bad read mess up everything

I think Enter will be extremely obvious to me before too long

and I'm pretty certain I have very low odds of being mafiakilled tonight so I'm not too worried about it

[Ankamius]

Why specifically is ausuka changing her vote a lot early on scummy?

I dont' mind changing your vote a lot
but if you're going to change your vote you should have reason and be trying to get somewhere with it

so going back to RVS theory - I vote someone when I think they're scum and I want them dead
or when I want to sort them

I move my vote off when I have sorted someone or there is someone new I want dead

so the way I see
Ausuka has great reads and sorted a lot of people without very many posts in between her votes, often none at all (applying barely any pressure)
or she wants everyone dead.

like

I'm struggling to see why he would replace into a scumslot and push shit like this of all things

[Ankamius]

mindmeld with me

you're pushing playstyle on Ausuka

[Ankamius]

i now realize that you haven't been here the whole time, tho, so that makes it kinda weird.

I've been here like... a day and a half

it really hasn't been very long

[Ankamius]

TOWN

Ausuka
Dunnstral
Wisdom

TOWNISH

Fuscosco
Gamma Emerald
ofrhz
Vedith

WHO? (AKA SORT LATER)

chennisden
Elsa Jay
Enigma
Sabrina LeCutie
StarwingBeauvoi

SCUMMISH

DoubtingThomas
MariaR

SCUM

davesaz
light_ganski

i want to turn this list upside down

but we'll deal with this next day phase

let's sort out of

{wisdom/sabrina/ofrhz/ausuka}

or tell me why you're townreading ausuka/wis so hard

it has been noted that wisdom is specifically not responding to me

Wisdom I'm townbinning until I have a reason not to, this game is technically easier to fake a townleadery spot but I don't think it's very likely he's scum going that route this game.

Ausuka is the closest slot I've gotten to mindmelding with and I find her response to her wagon pretty town. Her later posting is less impressive, but that's pretty much every slot so that's null.

Ofrhz I don't actually remember

Sabrina is aggressively null

[Ankamius]

Wisdom I'm townbinning until I have a reason not to, this game is technically easier to fake a townleadery spot

than normal

but I don't think it's very likely he's scum going that route this game.

fixed

[Ankamius]

:V

[Ankamius]

I feel like this is out of Enter's scumrange

[Ankamius]

Enter

This is going to get you nowhere

[Ankamius]

Actually what's your current readslist

[Ankamius]

And why are you talking like mastina

its weird

[Ankamius]

You missed the post of mine that mattered Enter

[Ankamius]

Ugh

[Ankamius]

All three of those scumreads are really easy and lynchbaity

And I don't agree with your towncore at all

Idk how to feel about that

[Ankamius]

Ofrhz is the least lynchbaity of the three but is still a slot that is easy to scumread

That's one reason the Ausuka wagon was so bad, it sat there festering with a terrible wagon composition while the Gamma wagon took all the heat for no reason

That's not a wagon on scum lol

[Ankamius]

Can you just let me short him tomorrow please

I'm pretty certain a lot of the confusion about his playing is because of playstyle and scum are looking to slide on for an easy mislynch

[Ankamius]

Ahem.

I can sort Enter at a later day. Do not lynch him.

[Ankamius]

yea but i thought about their level of play, their style, and the results here. its not a good look

Seriously?

[Ankamius]

I have no hope for town

VOTE: Enter

[Ankamius]

I'm vigging light

[Ankamius]

No I'm trying to vig enter to prove I'm a fucking town vig

[Ankamius]

Give me one reason not to.

[Ankamius]

Fine.

I will shoot somebody else at my own discretion.

[Ankamius]

3rd vig shoot me if any

[Ankamius]

To chain confirm vigs

[Ankamius]

4th vig shoot me if any

[Ankamius]

I will shoot outside of that list

[Ankamius]

I'll be choosing the slot that has the highest probability of giving me a potential solve d2 btw, not necessarily one that is a scumread

With this many potential flips, I think we will need that sooner rather than later and I really shouldn't be a high priority kill N1 for mafia anyways so

[Ankamius]

Aaaaaaaaand this thread goes on ignore

[Ankamius]

I swear to fucking god if you claim a vig

[Ankamius]

Read through the most recent 10ish pages and get a feel for it yourself

The game has shifted too much in that timeframe

[Ankamius]

Go ahead

[Ankamius]

I'm not important to the game and my role beyond my vig is not something I'm probably going to use even with the opportunity to so it's no big loss

[Ankamius]

Lol there's vig number 4

[Ankamius]

Iso me and look for color

[Ankamius]

TOWN

Ausuka
Dunnstral
Wisdom

TOWNISH

Fuscosco
Gamma Emerald
ofrhz
Vedith

WHO? (AKA SORT LATER)

chennisden
Elsa Jay
Enigma
Sabrina LeCutie
StarwingBeauvoi

SCUMMISH

DoubtingThomas
MariaR

SCUM

davesaz
light_ganski

Here it took me 3 seconds

[Ankamius]

i am not asking for you to summarize the thread for me. i am asking you for your opinion the game state for me to understand your slot better.

people on mafia scum thinks being uncooperative in a game where towns need to find each other and discuss scummy people is somehow a "cool" thing

atrocious

You asked for slots a lot of people find null

I told you that you're not going to get that because the gamestate shifted constantly over the last several pages

That generally means... go read it yourself

[Ankamius]

My opinion of the gamestate is that you're not going to understand it unless you read it yourself

[Ankamius]

I'm vigging DT fuck it

[Ankamius]

I'm so glad my initial plan to vig enter was denied!!!

[Ankamius]

Davesaz obvscummed, Enter

It wasn't your fault

[Ankamius]

Nah I won't shoot DT prob

I'm in a pissy mood so the attitude set me off

[Ankamius]

pm me

k

Davesaz obvscummed, Enter

It wasn't your fault

thanks, makes me feel a little better

i'd still like to think i could ahve turned this around? not sure. oh well

You wouldn't have, I was pretty set on vigging you pretty shortly after you replaced in

I just didn't have enough room to force it

[Ankamius]

I'll go over what tipped me off after the game

[Ankamius]

I might shoot Chen idk yet

[Ankamius]

I need to figure out my list of targets but he's definitely on there

[Ankamius]

Sabrina is getting shot tonight anyways

[Ankamius]

Oooooo what about a maria vig

[Ankamius]

I'll just shoot your corpse

[Ankamius]

Ngl the timing of wisdom coming back was interesting but that's about it

Still unlikely to be scum

[Ankamius]

And now you see why lynching enter was not good

[Ankamius]

Nice

See you in the dead pt

[Ankamius]

Nah I'm messing with you

[Ankamius]

===[]

[Ankamius]

lol enter

[Ankamius]

starwing shot was me

[Ankamius]

btw I have a solve

[Ankamius]

btw ausuka was obvtown why the fuck did she get shot

[Ankamius]

btw ausuka was obvtown why the fuck did she get shot

... By scum then maybe? I mean, unless you think Vedith or Chen shot her. And we can assume with great probability Ved shot Sabrina like I asked, so...

yeah that makes sense actually

[Ankamius]

light_ganski
chennisden
ofrhz
doubtingthomas
enigma
fuscosco

this contains all the scum, I'm pretty sure

at LEAST two

[Ankamius]

VOTE: chennisden

[Ankamius]

I bet Ausuka shot that vig at someone

btw ausuka was obvtown why the fuck did she get shot

Why are you assuming Mafia didn't do it?

because there were 3 claimed vigs

[Ankamius]

yeah I derped

[Ankamius]

Starwing shot was bad :/

why

[Ankamius]

that's assuming that ausuka missed vedith's claim entirely

[Ankamius]

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[Ankamius]

Starwing shot was bad :/

why

Because they were obviously town

really?

I have like 7 obvtown reads but they were far from that list

[Ankamius]

Elsa is a friendly neighbor

perfect

I'm pretty sure my solve is correct then

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Chennisden

hi guys

let's lynch this thanks

[Ankamius]

btw if any of you needed proof that Dunnstral was obvtown, his posts so far today are it

much much much more town than DT/Maria's

[Ankamius]

maria you're like right below the locktown list

[Ankamius]

will you be mad if I tell you the reason I'm townreading you

[Ankamius]

I respect your intelligence enough to believe you wouldn't have associatives that bad with davesaz

[Ankamius]

anka stop sucking pls

interesting thing to focus on

don't you have better things to do

[Ankamius]

congratulations

you are my new titus

[Ankamius]

btw I have a solve

light_ganski
chennisden
ofrhz
doubtingthomas
enigma
fuscosco

this contains all the scum, I'm pretty sure

at LEAST two

Is this the solve? Seems pretty solid with reasoning. Or lack there of.

If you could be more specific that would be great. And if there's investigatives who got a solid Guilty that would be nice.

Also, if Ved\Ank have more shots (don't confirm either way) we should also discuss who would be vigged tonight.

because everybody else is town for one reason or another

except mariar

she's only mostly town for one reason or another

[Ankamius]

gamma is obvtown

[Ankamius]

do not shoot gamma, vedith

[Ankamius]

I'm shooting you if you shoot gamma

[Ankamius]

light_ganski
chennisden
ofrhz
doubtingthomas
enigma
fuscosco

this contains all the scum, I'm pretty sure

at LEAST two

[Ankamius]

thanks now I can't take this game remotely seriously anymore

afk prodging

[Ankamius]

I'm vigging enigma

[Ankamius]

Lying is fine

That specific lie was really really really bad

[Ankamius]

I'd bet on Enigma being a steong scum PR tbh

[Ankamius]

That would have to be me unless Vedith is also scum, Wisdom

And I'm not that sloppy with night actions

[Ankamius]

Then why did Sabrina die

[Ankamius]

Then that means Chen killed ausuka, which is just... really bad

[Ankamius]

Plus Vedith didn't have to claim, there's much better kills for the scum kill than Sabrina of all people

[Ankamius]

I guess?

Someone who had zero impact day phase is still a bit strange of a play to make for towncred that likely is not going to last forever, Wisdom.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Enigma

[Ankamius]

Who do you suggest I shoot then Dunn

[Ankamius]

Glad to see my kill is confirmed!!!!

[Ankamius]

So literally anyone else in my PoE then?

[Ankamius]

I feel like Chen is the fake vig if any are fake

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE:

[Ankamius]

So?

[Ankamius]

You have to assume I'm a mafia vig then since my kill is confirmed?

[Ankamius]

And I was pretty fucking adamant about vigging enter myself to prove I was a vig when one was already claimed?

[Ankamius]

Or SK?

Then you should be sheeping me

Because multiball as scum is when my scumreads are strongest

[Ankamius]

You know me well enough to know I'd pull this shit wisdom

I am not an idiot with PRs

[Ankamius]

No vedith

Chen claimed your kill too

[Ankamius]

Which is suspicious as fuck btw

Vedith was pretty damn clear about where he was shooting

[Ankamius]

You know me well enough to know I'd pull this shit wisdom

I am not an idiot with PRs

why are you an idiot if you are a scum vig and did actually kill who youre claiming to have killed

Which
Is
Why
I
Wanted
To
Vig
Enter
Instead
Of
Lynching
Him

[Ankamius]

I'm not a very good scum player but I am not stupid enough to think that going that hard to save him is a good idea when I literally helped build that wagon alongside you

[Ankamius]

But I, as a town player, would want to have a vig kill on a scum corpse to prove that I am a town vig when one is already claimed

[Ankamius]

so you lied about not wanting to lynch him so you can vig him? thats bs. Youre also not stupid enough to waste a scumlynch to rely on a night action that might fail

I literally said that yesterday

Wtf

[Ankamius]

Are you actually scum Wisdom

[Ankamius]

But I, as a town player, would want to have a vig kill on a scum corpse to prove that I am a town vig when one is already claimed

You wouldn't even know that enter is flipping scum for sure

I have a damn good read on his personality

You think I wouldn't be able to tell?

[Ankamius]

Elsa what are you waiting for exactly

[Ankamius]

I can prove myself another way, this is a waste of time

[Ankamius]

Wisdom is scum or derping

[Ankamius]

Okay I won't revote then

[Ankamius]

My PoE is still valid, just less sure about Wisdom now

[Ankamius]

Light should be leashed tonight

[Ankamius]

He's saying I killed somebody that isn't Wisdom or Elsa

[Ankamius]

Or Dunn actually

[Ankamius]

Did you read the setup LOL

[Ankamius]

Hey Elsa

You aren't limited shot, correct?

[Ankamius]

someone in my PoE list

[Ankamius]

light_ganski

chennisden

ofrhz
doubtingthomas

enigma

fuscosco

this contains all the scum, I'm pretty sure

at LEAST two

[Ankamius]

VOTE: chennis

[Ankamius]

vedith shoot enigma

[Ankamius]

:V

vedith is confirned vig too then loooooooool

[Ankamius]

Elsa if you only have one shot left don't use it tonight

[Ankamius]

Because I have something for you but I can't give it out tonight

[Ankamius]

ok chen

wtf did your ability do

[Ankamius]

btw

I was a n1 vig, I don't have any more shots left

[Ankamius]

uhhhhh I might have to think and reshuffle my reads again

like every flip other than enigma and chen were exactly as I expected

but now there's no paranoia left of Elsa so that's good!

[Ankamius]

btw

I'm a n1 vig + n3 vig-inventor-thing

Elsa you should claim whether you have an ability use tonight because I can turn it into a vig shot

[Ankamius]

otherwise I think I can build a solve with just what we have now

I just need some time to get around to it

[Ankamius]

btw in case anyone still wants to give me shit for how I treated enter

that claim by itself should really drive home why I wanted to make sure to hit scum with it when given the chance to

[Ankamius]

ok cool

I'll be back when I can do stuff

[Ankamius]

it's a night action that turns my target's action into a vig

[Ankamius]

...............................

Wisdom repped out?