Greatest Idea VIII - Game Over

[Shadowlesscloud]

could be scum watcher though

the claim is he used town watcher for

alignment

my point is that it's an unnecessarily risky claim
with only one town watcher card in the deck

But your saying hes probably town because of the risk for being cced?

But

HE could have had Parrot, Town Watcher, Scum X

Discard Parrot, Scum for alignment, Watcher for role?

[Shadowlesscloud]

But your saying hes probably town because of the risk for being cced?

But

HE could have had Parrot, Town Watcher, Scum X

Discard Parrot, Scum for alignment, Watcher for role?

you are correct, sir

Then why do you believe his claim? Or do you just believe he had the watcher card?

[Shadowlesscloud]

I stand corrected
NMSA you should die for...
a) being scum
b) being town who chose VT over a PR

Wisdom's point about scum watcher is pretty good, and your point of NMSA being town who chose VT over PR is right, but I think the best course of action is looking more players in depth for now. I think the big mistake we have commited since D1 is focusing in only one or two players instead of looking at the rest of the playerlist, and maybe that's because we got cocky for lynching Elsa D1.

I'm like, 80% not believing NMSA's claim with Wisdom's point, but that's not enough. I have counterpoints: NMSA's play on the previous GM was different and he chose a 3p that game; he was the first wagon and the first shot of the game by our vig, so discarding parrot to then claim VT is like calling attention all over again and not learning from his discards' mistakes from the previous game.

yeah, I payed attention to discards this time, that's why I didn't discard watcher, it would look too scummy.

You claim you had 3 town cards

and you didnt discard the "VT"

It looks scummy

[Shadowlesscloud]

I thought you wanted to wait?

I didn't say that?

that was shadow
oops

to be fair, pretty sure I wasnt gonna claim my ability at all

[Shadowlesscloud]

Yeah nevermind.

It's plausible only 3 town left.
I'm thinking a mass claim is in order today? I'm happy to go first as I have a unique role.

Im not claiming yet, dont feel like i need to. All you dont have anyway is my ability

Wait what? Only 3 town left? Ive already claimed my alignment, in ccing EJ. Unless you want to think id risk CCing EJ as a 3p or another scum faction then *shrug.*

[Shadowlesscloud]

nevermind
you are saying you cc'd elsa

CC'd Elsa with Town Hero as my alignment. I gave reasons then why i dditn want it as my ability

[Shadowlesscloud]

Setup A:
Bulletproof Alien Lover
Compulsive Childkiller
Mafia One-Shot Dayvig

Setup B:
Jailkeeper
Watchlisted Townie
Wereparrot

Choices:
A
Mafia alignment
Bulletproof lover ability
threw out compulsive child killer

B
USed Jailkeeper as alignment
Had Wereparrot as role cause it looked fun
Threw out watchlisted Townie

[Shadowlesscloud]

What

Why was WW bp lover illegal but mafia one legal?

[Shadowlesscloud]

Compulsive Childkiller - alignment

CC. Thats mine.

VOTE: pint

Oh? Whats this?

[Shadowlesscloud]

If I protect a bodyguard and the bodyguard protects me, are we immune to nightkills? Or at least at one directed nightkill?

If a Doctor and a Bodyguard protect each other and the Doctor is targeted with a nightkill, then the Bodyguard would die.
If a Doctor and a Bodyguard protect each other and the Bodyguard is targeted with a nightkill, then neither would die.

Thanks! There goes my plan to run into the woods with Kevin Costner

What if another doctor protects the OG doctor? Does it still trigger the Bodyguard?

[Shadowlesscloud]

I don't ever see a world where Wisdom CC here with 4 potential night kills if lying.

This is a good point
Though we have no idea how close scum might think they are to a win
Mafia might be close to equity maybe?
Come to think of it, cult recruits lose the ability to nightkill, right? Which could also explain fewer kills. A medium-to-large cult might feel confident about cc’ing here

But I agree Wisdom is more likely to be telling the truth here

Do cultist know other cultist?

[Shadowlesscloud]

Pretty sure Cult know about each other yeah

in my homesite, the very few times it has come up, they havent.

@host Do cultists know other cultists?

[Shadowlesscloud]

Then what is wisdom as Pint is either very good at setting up a fakeclaim or is legit?

[Shadowlesscloud]

mason doc might be truthful
but its still scum

Actually this is true. Pintu only proved his ability, not his alignment.

[Shadowlesscloud]

mason doc might be truthful
but its still scum

Actually this is true. Pintu only proved his ability, not his alignment.

His alignment card is was Wisdom CC...

Exactly so in reality, Pinto convincing us he is Mason doctor, not that hes town.

[Shadowlesscloud]

I think Wisdom is trying to say your role means nothing as it's your alignment card he's counter claiming.
Meaning that one of you are not town here. Regardless of roles.

This. You had people believe you are town with proving your role. (you definitely had me convinced for a moment there.) In reality, you werent doing anything regarding your alignment at all. You even have the people in your mason believeing your town when you could not be, you never tried to tel them otherwise

[Shadowlesscloud]

VOTE: Pinturicchio

It doesnt matter what youve specifically said, its your intentions behind it. Youve brought up being a mason and proving your mason as a way to make yourself look townie. Being a mason doc has 0 to do with your role so it shouldnt be being discussed at all rn.

[Shadowlesscloud]

VOTE: Pinturicchio

It doesnt matter what youve specifically said, its your intentions behind it. Youve brought up being a mason and proving your mason as a way to make yourself look townie. Being a mason doc has 0 to do with your role so it shouldnt be being discussed at all rn.

Yes yes yes that's exactly what I've done. That's what I have to do, Shadow, town it up to get Wisdom lynched and not me. I've been pretty straightforward about that.

But proving yourself as Mason Doctor does nigh to make you town. And it looks like others are townreading you soley because you are mason doc

[Shadowlesscloud]

Is today gonna be another day of DT not posting? What.

[Shadowlesscloud]

also, jalandh, i've been thinking in my shower.

i don't think you believe i am scum for 'not posting' you know in fact i post even more as scum. so you trying to spin that narrative to scum read me for 'not posting' is actually more often a scum move isn't it?

I know you post more as mafia. Not as a potential 3p. And did i ever explicitely call you mafia?

I want more from you because I feel confident that I can read you if you do. I hate that your not posting because thats not like your town OR your mafia. And that annoys me. How do you expect me to read you if you never post anything for me to read?

[Shadowlesscloud]

TTTT - 1-shot dayvig (used up)
Trekkie - Kevin Costner
NMSA - VT (lol)
Irrelephant - VT
Vedith - Supersaint
pinturicchio - Doc Mason
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ofrhz
davesaz
DoubtingThomas
Gamma Emerald
Shadowlesscloud
Wisdom

we start voting below the line
until there is nobody below the line
VOTE: davesaz

No, im not claiming unless you can give me a valid reason I would after I risked myself to get EJ lynched d1

[Shadowlesscloud]

The only way I cuold be scum is if I used the hero card for my ability.

I aleready talked about why I wouldnt do that because its boring and I wanted something to actually do instead of bank off a role that possibly couldnt roll.

[Shadowlesscloud]

The only way I cuold be scum is if I used the hero card for my ability.

I aleready talked about why I wouldnt do that because its boring and I wanted something to actually do instead of bank off a role that possibly couldnt roll.

Im assuming this is meaning I was so close to having somehting?

[Shadowlesscloud]

Hey Dave

What was your third card?

[Shadowlesscloud]

Town Doctor
Werewolf one shot PGO
Alien Mass Redirect

I could believe it actually.

Mass Redirect isnt a good town role

Werewolf Doctor is lul

Alien doctor is lmao

Alien 1 shot PGO is LMFAO and its even worse cause of town doctor throw away

[Shadowlesscloud]

What

there is no town PGO

[Shadowlesscloud]

Nevermind, found it

[Shadowlesscloud]

Yeah town PGO i dont believe over town doctor

Werewolf PGO i could have believed.

[Shadowlesscloud]

oh pgo is ww only? then its more plausible

though he said "town unique role" when it was a ww role, so it could be a fake

Had to control f paranoid to find it.

But yeah, i could have believed it if he claimed it was a werewolf PGO, not the town one.

[Shadowlesscloud]

Town PGO doesnt appear twice?

[Shadowlesscloud]

Who the fuck

wants

to be a PGO?

Lets clarrify, who wants to be a *TOWN* Pgo.

I could see a mafia or a WW PGO hoping for that awesome Mass redirector

[Shadowlesscloud]

yeah i meant town pgo and ww pgo as it appearing twice

Nah i wouldnt give him the benefit of the doube. He claimed town PGO, only appearing once

[Shadowlesscloud]

Votecount 3.04

pinturicchio (3) -

Wisdom, Vedith, Shadowlesscloud

davesaz (3) -

TTTT, Irrelephant11, NotMySpamAccount

Wisdom (2) -

pinturicchio, davesaz

Not Voting (4) -

ofrhz, DoubtingThomas, Gamma Emerald, Trekkie99

With 12 players alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 3 is in (expired on 2019-04-08 11:30:00).

Christ, another 12 days?

[Shadowlesscloud]

TTTT - 1-shot dayvig (used up)
Trekkie - Kevin Costner
NMSA - VT (lol)
Irrelephant - VT
Vedith - Supersaint
pinturicchio - Doc Mason
davesaz - PGO
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ofrhz
DoubtingThomas
Gamma Emerald
Shadowlesscloud
Wisdom

we vote below the line
until there is nobody below the line

VOTE: ofrhz

You can either take my name off or vote for me

*shrug* lol

[Shadowlesscloud]

I mean, il lleave that up to you Irre since your confirmed town afaik.

Can someone confirm if Judas can be nightkilled to turn into MAfia?

and if they would be announced to the town?

[Shadowlesscloud]

so the reduced amount of nks could mean that they triggered the Judas?

[Shadowlesscloud]

@Host

What would happen if a untriggered Judas was targetted by a nightkill?

If a Judas is turned into mafia by any means, would town be ever notified?

[Shadowlesscloud]

so the reduced amount of nks could mean that they triggered the Judas?

It's highly possible I guess. From 4 to 2.

night kill success

Night kill success

Night kill trip judas

Night kill prevented

is where my head is at rn

[Shadowlesscloud]

What would happen if a untriggered Judas was targetted by a nightkill?

They would be killed and flip as a Town aligned whatever-their-ability-is.

If a Judas is turned into mafia by any means, would town be ever notified?

The only way for the Judas ability to activate is if the player would be lynched. I would post that the lynch failed, but not why and then the game would go to the Night Phase.

Sweet, ok thanks.

SO Irre is still my hard town read. If he really wants me to reveal my ability, go for it. Its not unique or anything.

[Shadowlesscloud]

@Irre, y/n do you want my claim?

[Shadowlesscloud]

Yeah I don’t remember who said I could flip by nightkill but they were wrong
Oh Pintu I think, because he said that’s why he doctored me

Pedit: Wisdom I’ll let you know after some other slots claim

I did, I quoted the Judas Wiki even. Maybe it's different for some games?

I wonder if the mafia thought the same and you still prevented a night kill if you healed Irre

[Shadowlesscloud]

Right in the wiki, it has

-In Greater Idea Mafia, the Judas converts only on lynch. If nightkilled, it dies normally.

[Shadowlesscloud]

Wait what

[Shadowlesscloud]

Ok im claiming.

Alignment:
Town Hero

Ability:
Town Tracer

n1 Performer>Dave (Hence why i asked performer about him)

n2 Chemist>Shadowlesscloud

[Shadowlesscloud]

I received fruit.

Sent mod a question.

Everything I've read has always said

aliens get 1 factional NK

. Don't know how someone got 3, but it's wrong unless there is nonpublic info somewhere. Or unless I read wrong, which is possible but unlikely.

yeah I forgot about this

....oh yeah.

Im very confused

[Shadowlesscloud]

idk if scum would claim PGO with this in mind

but why would town lie?

but if hes not lying, why did FV not die?

[Shadowlesscloud]

"The One-Shot PGO is activated on the first night during which someone targets it. Any and all players who target it in that one night die."

[Shadowlesscloud]

WAIT IS DAVE WHY WE HAD SO MANY DEATHS N1 AND THE FV WAS JUST PROTECTED?

[Shadowlesscloud]

protected by who?

Dunno. But it would explain why we had a difference in the # of nks+why the FV didnt die when we have 2 people saying they visited Dave

[Shadowlesscloud]

Ok im claiming.

Alignment:
Town Hero

Ability:
Town Tracer

n1 Performer>Dave (Hence why i asked performer about him)

n2 Chemist>Shadowlesscloud

Very interesting
I’m cool that you claimed, I think you’re probably town it just occurred to me that you weren’t as *clear* as I had thought before

Yeah, i didnt even think of the MafvMaf situation.

that being said, what mafia would buss a cupid to the ground with a tracker as their other. It sucks Chemist died so i could confirm myself through him but i hope my soft as a tracker by asking Performer about who he visited would be enough for that

[Shadowlesscloud]

chemist? But i find it doubtful a joat would use doc instead of cop n1
and on performer of all people

pretty sure Chemist healed me last night

[Shadowlesscloud]

chemist? But i find it doubtful a joat would use doc instead of cop n1
and on performer of all people

pretty sure Chemist healed me last night

im talking about n1

can a joat heal more then 1 time a game?

[Shadowlesscloud]

Anyways i believe Daves claim. It also makes me think theres another TP hiding around

[Shadowlesscloud]

yeah so it isnt chemist
then who?

Hmmm.

I dont like this.

Do you believe Daves claim to be PGO or not?

If you do, then dont worry about who healed the FV, just know that he was healed for other claims.

If not, give reason why not and drop the issue about who is healing.

p-edit: Oh, yeah. But Dave not knowing how his own role works would explain why he didnt try to actively act townie, or do something to persuade being visited by town in the first lace

[Shadowlesscloud]

no lets make this clear

dave still looks pretty scummy to me and i think your theory doesnt make much sense

and given it has an obvious hole in "fruit vendor didnt die" we need that explained if we're to consider it

No.

Your locked as a 50% scum rn.

Why doesnt my theory make much sense?

So far what this is turning into is you trying to rolefish while you havent even claimed yet.

[Shadowlesscloud]

You if you dont claim tbh

[Shadowlesscloud]

Its day 3 and your only contribution is saying that you shouldnt be scumread for not posting

[Shadowlesscloud]

I am town cop. literally got cop card for all 3 sets and made all town cops thats why the werewolf one was thrown away for set c

n1 - sakura hana not guilty (that's why when i saw her dead, i was like who killed her)

n2 - Irrelephant not guilty

Says im scum for "pushing him"

checks the conftown n2

only other check is dead

[Shadowlesscloud]

Its day 3 and your only contribution is saying that you shouldnt be scumread for not posting

no, it's actually you are prob just scum for trying to push me as scum for activity because you know i posta lot more as scum

Actually I havent actively pushed you. But with this defensive post, i think I will now.

[Shadowlesscloud]

rn though, PintVWisdom, then i gotta figure out if Dave is more scummy then DT for tomorrows lynch

[Shadowlesscloud]

@DT where was that one game where the scum team had me and Phi in it? And you were town that read me expertly with El?

[Shadowlesscloud]

OR atleast its name?

[Shadowlesscloud]

uhmmmmmmmmm i dont really remmeber what game you are talking about

was it a mash?

Nnnnnno, it had the back up oracle

and the one dude who froze me town one got lynched and i had the ballsy move to not self pres

[Shadowlesscloud]

Frog openwolfed the entire time he subbed in

[Shadowlesscloud]

Im wondering cause you posted how to read me and i wanted to pull that back up

[Shadowlesscloud]

actually wait

Isnt that a cc on trekkie's bodyguard?

Theres only one

Good fucking shit

There IS only 1 bodyguard

[Shadowlesscloud]

Pint/Wisdom today, give DT another check to lead to determine Trekkie/DT

p-edit Hold up now, trekkie just scumclaimed lmfao

[Shadowlesscloud]

Hey

Trekkie buddy

We are set up C

[Shadowlesscloud]

So like

hes useless since noone will visit him

So do we solve between Pint/Wisdom or do we lynch Trekkie?

[Shadowlesscloud]

Actually

No way Trekkie thought this was set up a. We posted our other set ups

@Trekkie quit fooling around dude aight? I believe your the town compared to DT, quit making me second guess myself

[Shadowlesscloud]

Did

did you really fuck up Trekkie? XD omg

[Shadowlesscloud]

Hey Wisdom. When are you going to claim?

[Shadowlesscloud]

Hey Wisdom. When are you going to claim?

after ofrhz and gamma preferably

No, id rather now. ofr is a light town read and i wouldnt be surprised if Gamma never did

[Shadowlesscloud]

Trekkie slipped on knowing he what set up it was.

[Shadowlesscloud]

then we'll get a replacement and theyll do it

impatience is not an excuse to better scum's claiming conditions

Your being selfish again. if your being honest, then what you say is true. But from our pov, thats exactly what your doing. Waiting for everyone to claim so you can claim without worry.

p-edit: Cult doesnt know other cult. Already mentioned this

[Shadowlesscloud]

do cultists even know each other

Already asked in thread. They dont, they are not told anything about the other cult

[Shadowlesscloud]

no way with my effort level will i be able to come up with an awesome claim of all 9 cards i held that made a scum that fakeclaimed to out himself

agreed? kapeesh. kill me tonight scums. i am overcommitted

3, not 9. And you didnt make him slip

[Shadowlesscloud]

that makes me like conf town, tbh

Probable town, not conf town. But enough to almost never be lynched

[Shadowlesscloud]

Now if DT had known trekkie claimed BG and CC/d him there, id have said he was conftown

[Shadowlesscloud]

Irrel my nuts say you are scum what do you got to say

irrel. i feel like you are narrating in a scummy fashion

He was hinting it on D2, actually

But this infers he scumread Irrel

But if he scumread Irrel he had to read

if he read, then he would know hes conftown

[Shadowlesscloud]

Oh then yeah, Dave is PGO.

but if he knew it was activated, why did he seem surprised the FV didnt die?

[Shadowlesscloud]

^

[Shadowlesscloud]

The replacement needs to claim within their first post imo

[Shadowlesscloud]

the role doesnt change after the replacement posts.

if they are scum they would consult scum chat before posting at all and come up with a believable role

if they are town they either tell the truth or are the type of player that doesnt comply with your request

scums are much more likely to comply with that kinda demand idk whats up with the whole, "do XXX in your next post or else!"

accomplishes nothing

The faster they post it after annoucning the replace in, the more town points they get, especially if they have a unique role.

[Shadowlesscloud]

least it would until now where I said it so the scum team will quickly gather one for the moment they replace in

[Shadowlesscloud]

Had to to get the point across.

[Shadowlesscloud]

At this point in the game, becoming antitown just seems like a bad play.Im sure DT and others have had the same thought

Id rather lynch scum that can fuck with town then lynch scum that is useless if we play around em

[Shadowlesscloud]

VOTE: Pinturicchio

[Shadowlesscloud]

GG lmao didn't expect a town win tbh.

Visited Trekkie n2.

Surprised people thought I did n1 when I talked to performer about Dave before they outted who they visited

[Shadowlesscloud]

Also who all said that this was a town Elsa game at the start? :pi take pride in my correct call on them