Greatest Idea VIII - Game Over

[pinturicchio]

Oh we are going to do the same thing we did in the previous game and scumread people because of their discards? That worked out well last time, right?

Elsa is town, and the guy who's still scumreading him (I don't remember the name 'cause I skimmed through this four pages 'cause it's almost 3 in the morning and I should be sleeping) could be scum trying to recruit him, right? That's how Judas work?

Alch picked town again, yay for us!

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Oh we are going to do the same thing we did in the previous game and scumread people because of their discards? That worked out well last time, right?

Elsa is town, and the guy who's still scumreading him (I don't remember the name 'cause I skimmed through this four pages 'cause it's almost 3 in the morning and I should be sleeping) could be scum trying to recruit him, right? That's how Judas work?

Alch picked town again, yay for us!

Tis me. And do you really blame me when they are hard claiming Judas Viglante on page 2 for the sole purpose to stop me from pushing them?

Do you even know Elsa?

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@shadowless Elsa is like a Jester Survivor, he wants to get lynched but actually survive until the end. So his claim makes perfect sense. I get why you don't trust the claim; if someone else claimed that, it would be suspicious. But coming from Elsa, you can believe it with confidence

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Considering people can usually choose their alignment.
Meta/Attitude/Playstyle seem like great scumhunting tools to me in GestI

We are going in circles though.

I dont know their meta

Their attitude is scummy

Their playstyle is worse so rn.

???

What you're not considering here is that, even if you don't know their meta, there are plenty of players who know their meta and told you about it, so know even if you haven't played with Elsa before, you have that information on your hands and you're not aknowledging it.

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Can a Serial Killer be Judas?

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Wait I don't understand. If you can only choose Judas as alignment, then it doesn't work? Or Judas is an alignment by itself and not a role? If we lynch Elsa he will become mafia or what?

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Thanks for the anwers about the Judas thing! I'm pretty sure Elsa is telling the truth then, that sounds like a role Elsa would pick, and I don't know why he would lie about his pick so early in the game.

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Hey look at that cake! Happy scumday ofrhz! Seems like yesterday

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Elsa is probably lying here

She was asking about the Judas card in the Mafia PT in the last iteration of this setup where I was scum with her, so she probably had this fakeclaim ready

That said, there's a slim chance that the stars of the universe have magically aligned and given Elsa the Judas card this game. Since I'm not 100% sure she's fakeclaiming, I don't want to lynch her today

This is the best piece of information we've gotten about this Elsa vs Irrelephant thing.

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3rd Party is the best alignment don't @ me.

Amen to that

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Another fair point: Alchemist21/Chemist1422 = Al.015

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Another fair point: Alchemist21/Chemist1422 = Al.015

?

Math joke

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Not funny at all tho but I laughed my ass off writting it

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VOTE: Elsa Jay

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Excuse me, but if there's any reason why the claimed dayvig shouldn't use their shot before risking getting NK'd?

My take on this is that, if Elsa lied twice, I expect a third lie and having a 1 shot BP or something like that. We would lose the 1 shot dayvig in confscum.

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Who's Pretender

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Excuse me, but if there's any reason why the claimed dayvig shouldn't use their shot before risking getting NK'd?

My take on this is that, if Elsa lied twice, I expect a third lie and having a 1 shot BP or something like that. We would lose the 1 shot dayvig in confscum.

Then use the dayvig on whoever our next bet for lynch is and lynch Elsa?

Do we have a good bet at this point? I see you're the next top wagon, and I don't think you're scum, so that would be a no for me. We could abstain the shot after getting some NKA. I mean there are people who doesn't like NKA, but at least we would reduce the townpool and we would have better chances at shooting scum.

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So I've finished training now.

Did you do 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 squats and 10k running without air conditioner, no matter how hot or cold?

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Ved is implying I'm a Saulus and trying desperately to get lynched and not vigged. Which, fair enough I guess.

That's the role I was thinking.
Out right asking to be lynched at start of day is against wincon but given the CC this could easily make sense.

A non flip would suggest this is pretty accurate and therefore most likely town.

Yeah I disagree. Why the fuck do you out two claims if what you wanted was getting lynched in the first place. I think Elsa did an oopsie and there's no turning back from that, pretty simple.

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Oh you can't claim Saulus and ask being lynched?

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Happy birthday Micc!! Hope you have a great day and year!

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Oh you can't claim Saulus and ask being lynched?

As Saulus your starting win con is the same as mafia, although you dont know your partners for obvious reasons.

Well, we would have two Elsa versions in this case: one that wants to survive as far as he can (and being Saulus would make sense since that gives him a 1 shot unlynchable basically), or the one who would rather pick plain ol' mafia instead, but maybe he didn't have the chance.

Vedith has a point then. Elsa claiming Judas while being Saulus could make sense after all. Then lynching Elsa is still our n°1 priority.

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Yeah I know. Why did you feel like giving your opinion on Elsa anyway, Vedith? That doesn't change the results, we're still lynching him.

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You know what? UNVOTE: Elsa Jay[/vote]

Now I want him dayvigged, and if Elsa flips 1 shot unlynchable, I want to lynch Vedith tomorrow.

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Dun goofed with the tags UNVOTE: Elsa Jay

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Should we hold off a bit and find a good target for the Dayvig before hammering Elsa? Doc Protection isn’t guaranteed for them here.

P-edit: Someone doesn’t want to lynch because 1-shot lynchproof and someone doesn’t want to Dayvig because bulletproof. Let’s stop playing these what-ifs and decide what’s overall optimal.

I was the one who suggested lynching instead of shooting 'cause we could abstain the dayvig shot for tomorrow after we get NKA, but now that Vedith suggested that Elsa could be Saulus, I got paranoid about Vedith, 'cause that's PERFECT for a 1 shot unlynchable.

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Claiming mafia as Mafia is still against wincon.
I do not believe it.

It's surrendering. I did it on a Newbie game that became mechanically impossible to win due to an oopsie from my partner.

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I have a feeling that TTTT was trolling and he isn't a actually a dayvig

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Should we hold off a bit and find a good target for the Dayvig before hammering Elsa? Doc Protection isn’t guaranteed for them here.

P-edit: Someone doesn’t want to lynch because 1-shot lynchproof and someone doesn’t want to Dayvig because bulletproof. Let’s stop playing these what-ifs and decide what’s overall optimal.

I was the one who suggested lynching instead of shooting 'cause we could abstain the dayvig shot for tomorrow after we get NKA, but now that Vedith suggested that Elsa could be Saulus, I got paranoid about Vedith, 'cause that's PERFECT for a 1 shot unlynchable.

How is that making you suspicious of Vedith?

Elsa acts like caught scum and his wagon gets momentum; Vedith jumps in before the lynch and suggests the Saulus thing. Elsa doesn't die, Elsa gets brownie points because the Saulus theory is believable (he claimed Judas, he didn't die, etc). Elsa coasts and win. Vedith boosted that. Makes sense?

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Also I think Pintu is not town here.

I was thinking the opposite, what makes you feel he's not town?

Last game I made it pretty clear I will never choose factional Scum over town or 3rd party. So unless I got 3 factional Scum roles Pintu knows that me as Scum with Elsa is not very likely.

Also the way I assisted in forcing the win last game I can see non town Pintu wanting to try and shade me here.

I didn't remember that! I'm not trying to shade you though, I explicitly said I'm getting paranoid. I still think the most logical explanation on this is that Elsa is caught scum/3p and you just gave your input on the subject.

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Kinda? But Vedith wouldn’t know if Elsa is really Saulus though, right? It only really makes sense if they knew Elsa was Saulus.

No no, it makes sense if Elsa is 1 shot unlynchable, therefore, being partners and knowing each other. The Saulus part is all a trick.

p-edit yeah what Sakura said.

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So you don't think I'd bus here for the town credit?

I don't think you could get credit after Elsa conceded

I do believe you would rather choose town before scum; I now think I remember discussing this in the previous game with you. I'm not scumreading you, I've no suspicions on your slot other than Elsa flipping 1 shot unlynchable, nothing more, nothing less.

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So you don't think I'd bus here for the town credit?

I don't think you could get credit after Elsa conceded

I do believe you would rather choose town before scum; I now think I remember discussing this in the previous game with you. I'm not scumreading you, I've no suspicions on your slot other than Elsa flipping 1 shot unlynchable, nothing more, nothing less.

Well we shall see.
I still think I'm right here.

As I said, I think you have a valid point and makes a lot of sense coming from Elsa. But the more fit explanation is that he just got caught.

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Yeah ok I'll stop WIFOMing Vedith

VOTE: Elsa Jay

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Now that you talked about someone not posting yet, Sakura, you reminded me that there are a lot of players who haven't contributed a lot on this dayphase even if we have discussed like one or two relevant things. ofrhz gets a pass 'cause if Elsa flips scum, ofrhz is never her partner because of calling him out on the Judas thing. But where are Blooper, DT and Gamma? I could be forgetting other people too.

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Oh good. The mod won’t come down D2 and tell someone “omae wa mou shindeiru.”

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@Sakura, do you recall which of the players voting you commented the discarded Cop card thingy? Or if there are players who commented that but didn't vote you? I would check myself but I'm leaving to the gym as soon as I can.

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there may have been players that commented on it without voting me, but i can't remember.

I'll check after going to the gym if I survive, thanks!

I'm asking 'cause I think it's pretty hypocritical pushing you for discarding a Cop card without even aknowledging that Junko discarded a Conspiracy Theorist card, so it seems like one of them could've just wanted to push someone for the sake of it instead of really analyzing the discards.

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there may have been players that commented on it without voting me, but i can't remember.

I'm asking 'cause I think it's pretty hypocritical pushing you for discarding a Cop card without even aknowledging that Junko discarded a Conspiracy Theorist card, so it seems like one of them could've just wanted to push someone for the sake of it instead of really analyzing the discards.

ugh dude I was going to use that, once they gave their reasoning about it, staph.

I did an oopsie

We can still push whoever commented that already

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mafia cards 20
ww cards 18
alien cards 9
SK cards 4
cult cards 2 (+cultists)

cop is still a pretty valuable role, compared to the other investigatives
i actually didnt realise there were so many ww cards, i expected it to be more mafia weighted

I agree with this and what Alch commented, but Alien roles are pretty dope too so who knows?

I just think it's a little hypocrite to call someone out for discarding cop and not calling out the other player who discarded an investigative.

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Townreading shadow, Sakura, xtoxm right now (and Elsa, obvs)
Scumleaning Performer, davesaz

This game moves fast I forgot how hard large games are to keep up with

Hold on a second buddy

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Townreading shadow, Sakura, xtoxm right now (and Elsa, obvs)
Scumleaning Performer, davesaz

This game moves fast I forgot how hard large games are to keep up with

Hold on a second buddy

I’m holding
Now what

Still don't get it?

Are you townreading Elsa?

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Townreading shadow, Sakura, xtoxm right now (and Elsa, obvs)
Scumleaning Performer, davesaz

This game moves fast I forgot how hard large games are to keep up with

Lol Elsa belongs in the second list

Oh I was ninja'ed by that post, I skipped it. Nothing to see here fellas.

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we'll miss you Allo!

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VOTE: TemporalLich Ladies and gentleman...

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Now that you talked about someone not posting yet, Sakura, you reminded me that there are a lot of players who haven't contributed a lot on this dayphase even if we have discussed like one or two relevant things. ofrhz gets a pass 'cause if Elsa flips scum, ofrhz is never her partner because of calling him out on the Judas thing. But where are Blooper, DT and Gamma? I could be forgetting other people too.

The fact that even when talking about the people who aren't posting I can slip by unnoticed is not good. Scum could be lurking. Occam's Razor says Elsa is scum and needs dayvigging, not rope. More to follow maybe.

Hah, I'm sorry, I hit "activity overview" and looked at the people at the bottom of the list

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What does Contested mean?

I'd TR you but because of 611 ofrhz needs to explain the case brought up against you (it's nominally a TR but it could mean you're a spanner in the works).

A "jic" type thing ig. Doesn't change the point though

I’m not seeing the point you’re trying to make then I guess

I think you pushing Elsa was

towny

since you were going against the grain in a sense

What case?

I explicitly said shadow was towny in 611

tbf the case against me in 611 is fair

I think he got it by now

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I think you need to reread my post

dude you ltierally said I was blending in and Shadowless was "going against the grain in a sense".

I read that as being a scumread on you (for blending in) and a townread on Shadowless (going against the grain).
Because scum don't want to make waves, where town don't mind doing that.

You always have the best way for explaining things. I like it.

Now that you talked about someone not posting yet, Sakura, you reminded me that there are a lot of players who haven't contributed a lot on this dayphase even if we have discussed like one or two relevant things. ofrhz gets a pass 'cause if Elsa flips scum, ofrhz is never her partner because of calling him out on the Judas thing. But where are Blooper, DT and Gamma? I could be forgetting other people too.

The fact that even when talking about the people who aren't posting I can slip by unnoticed is not good. Scum could be lurking. Occam's Razor says Elsa is scum and needs dayvigging, not rope. More to follow maybe.

Minor +town for this.

And minor +town for noticing this too.

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Almost50 replaces Allomancer.

Oh. My. God.

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Gussing people know Almost50?

What made you think that?

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It's standard etiquette to let the guy catch up and not do filler posts like "omg he's really reading from the begining", in order to not disencourage what he's doing which is ultimately what every repped in player should do. So shut the hell up if you don't have any analysis to share with the rest (this is directed to no one in particular)

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@micc please replace me.

I'm in the middle of probably accepting a new job and just cannot keep up, it's only going to get worse at the end of the week when I anticipate starting on my two weeks notice.

Good luck brass, I'm in the middle of searching too and it's stressing as fuck. Hopefully you'll have to stop looking after this one.

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@shadow
@vedith
@pintu
How do you read Dave?
@almost why is davesaz a townread?

Town. He's been helpful setupwise, he gave a townlean to NMSA because of an obscure post that nobody else seemed to notice and has been active overall.

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Can we wait to see if the Mod did an oopsie?

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I'll gladly hammer then

VOTE: Elsa Jay

I love hammering

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Welcome Jingle! You'll have the night to catch up. Elsa concieved so there's nothing into it (sorry for the spoilers but A50 already got us hanging )

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Pika?

You called?

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Trekkie, TemporalLich and DoubtingThomas, all good lynches.

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Wild guess:

Mafia killed Alch 'cause Elsa probably asked his teammate(s) to do it 'cause it would be funny to kill him three times in a row.
Elsa probably fakeclaimed his role with the role of (one of) his teammate(s), so that could explain A50's death (who claimed mason to get himself killed)
Werewolves or SK killed Sakura trying to reduce townpower (Sakura was obvtown)
Vig killed Jingle

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Setup Information

The Aliens may use up to three factional kills in this game.

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uh so mafia, ww, sk and vig?

aliens cant kill if i recall

Aliens get 1 kill

Not alien slip

uh so mafia, ww, sk and vig?

aliens cant kill if i recall

aliens get 3 factional kills for the entire game
really doubt any of those were a vig

A good boi who reads the first posts (something I usually not do), or an Alien slip since it's common knowledge that de aliens have one factional kill. But I'll asume xtoxm is a good boi

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No it's not

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Trekkie, TemporalLich and DoubtingThomas, all good lynches.

Sorry, messed up. Trekkie replaced blooper and Wisdom replaced Junko, so it would be Wisdom a good lynch today and not Trekkie

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pint im leaning town on you
dont make me unhappy

You're actually the one with the worst reason, but I'm respecting the death's wishes

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Also, the pint+sakura+shad votes to push it from 8 to 11 votes at eod, happened very , very quickly.

That's because the mod confirmed that the TTTT dayvig shot failed, so we went and lynched Elsa which was the thing we wanted to do

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I used Tracker for alignment and Mafia Seer for role, making me a Town Seer.

And I have a green check on davesaz.

tell me exactly what the Seer green check tells you

davesaz is not a Werewolf.

(barring possibilities of my check being screwed with, which in this game is either Alpha giving me a false green or Psychotrooper turning what should be a red check to a green)

You guys pushing the "green check doesn't make sense" seems like reaching. The guy talking about the Alpha and Psychotrooper roles is much more telling that he investigated about his role, or his fakeclaim, whatever it is. Thinking that a guy that provided this kind of info got the "green check" thing wrong is bland.

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no pint he flubbed his claim and im gonna get very stroppy if people dont rope/vig this pronto

Sorry, what's flubbed and stroppy? It's so nice reading spanish words from time to time

And could you explain why are you so convinced about him "flubbing" his claim whatever that is? (I assume from the context is that he fucked up)

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no pint he flubbed his claim and im gonna get very stroppy if people dont rope/vig this pronto

By the way I'm not opposing to TL's lynch; I think I was one of the first ones that proposed that yesterday, or maybe I wasn't but I agreed, I can't recall. I'm just saying it seems reachy to push him because of a claim that doesn't seem that bad

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I'm not defending him...

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defending him after he fucked his claim isnt a good look for you pint

no pint he flubbed his claim and im gonna get very stroppy if people dont rope/vig this pronto

By the way I'm not opposing to TL's lynch; I think I was one of the first ones that proposed that yesterday, or maybe I wasn't but I agreed, I can't recall. I'm just saying it seems reachy to push him because of a claim that doesn't seem that bad

Could you be more helpful and instead of saying I'm defending him, explain to me what you meant with the post I asked about? Help a guy who doesn't speak english as his first language dude.

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I think Tony Hawk was the first skateboarder to get the 900 on a skateboard
I'm going for it with fake dayvig claims

That reminds me of a rad Dave Mirra game on the PC I used to play

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@pint your English is perfectly fine so... stop faking like it isn't LOL

???? I'm not faking anything, I'm asking a specific question to xtoxm that I don't understand

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@pint your English is perfectly fine so... stop faking like it isn't LOL

???? I'm not faking anything, I'm asking a specific question to xtoxm that I don't understand

look at the role card for seer on the wiki
and then look at the result he claimed

You mean that he said he got a green check, right? Could you explain me why do you think that he's fakeclaiming because of that wording, and not using it like a synonym?

As I said before, I'm still up for a TL's lynch, but I don't like people calling scumslip things that aren't scumslips

p-edit ok nevermind what Rely and TTTT answered is what I was asking, I get it now

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yeah and i dont believe town!perf would still be ignoring my claim that makes me practically conftown so you can go after lich

p-ed
no pint im done with this line of convo
you dont want to vote him we get it

Could you stop being overly aggresive with me dude? I was asking a legitimate question that I couldn't quite understand because of a language barrier, and I already dismissed the question 'cause I got the answer I was looking for. Fuck off.

Also, I'm not voting Lich 'cause I have no idea what the votecount is and after four nightkills I could lolhammer without knowing. I'm on Lich's wagon in spirit.

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Searching for a replacement for Gamma Emerald, who did not pick up her prod.

Update:
Gamma Emerald has picked up her prod and will continue playing.

This is a thing

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"TTTT - not mafia but could be 3p
Vedith - pure null
Jingle - pure null
DoubtingThomas - lack of activity and presence makes me think he's not town
Gamma Emerald - pure null, sitewide lack of activity
TemporalLich - possible Elsa's partner
Blooper - lack of activity
JunkoChan - possible Elsa's partner
Chemist1422 - lack of activity

Those are my standings right now. The rest of the list is above null"

I wrote that before the four nightkills. Nothing has changed too much, other than Gamma's lack of activity is now concerning, Jingle is dead and Blooper was replaced. Also Junko's read wasn't mine and I think Wisdom has been townie.

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Also Junko's read wasn't mine and I think Wisdom has been townie.

What does “Junko’s read Wasn’t mine” mean?
Also is this just a readslist of everyone you’re not townreading or ?
Like where are your townreads

It means that I wasn't the one who established that Junko could be Elsa's partner.

And yes, as I said:

The rest of the list is above null

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I'm not completely against it, but my point about his D1 play still stands: felt like too scummy to be scum. I think he's lynchabait and there are better options, like Lich and DT

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too scummy to be scum isnt a thing
perf isnt lynchbait, he has a good towngame and this doesnt look like it

Does he? He reminded me of other players with the same kind of town playstyle but I don't know him personally. I take that back then.

And you know what I mean by too scummy to be scum

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i know what you mean, its a statement that i see used semi frequently and i disagree that its ever applicable

It's a fallacy, yes. But I think it's applicable to some players that are, let's say, not as charismatic as the rest of the playerlist. I don't know Performer, but that's the feeling that I get from him. If you know him and tell me he's not like that, then my point is not good.

Too scummy to be scum is a common fallacy when you're talking about content; I'm using it as a personality thing. I shouldn't, since I don't know Performer, but I usually do it, heh.

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I'm not completely against it, but my point about his D1 play still stands: felt like too scummy to be scum. I think he's lynchabait and there are better options, like Lich and DT

Youd rather lynch someone who has been generally inactive compared to someone who has been actively scummy?

No, you're right. I should reassess that, 'cause I missed what dave pointed out: DT said he would be absent.

But why Perfomer before Lich?

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Ok. Let's say both are scum, since this is a multiball. Let's say that Lich is probably Elsa's partner, and Performer is not (wolf, alien or sk for example)

What's the best course of action? There's too much WIFOM to discuss in here, but reducing a different faction's power sounds like a fine idea

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I'm not completely against it, but my point about his D1 play still stands: felt like too scummy to be scum. I think he's lynchabait and there are better options, like Lich and DT

Youd rather lynch someone who has been generally inactive compared to someone who has been actively scummy?

No, you're right. I should reassess that, 'cause I missed what dave pointed out: DT said he would be absent.

But why Perfomer before Lich?

I'm not completely against it, but my point about his D1 play still stands: felt like too scummy to be scum. I think he's lynchabait and there are better options, like Lich and DT

this is bad

And you missing a post four posts later is...

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i still think theres a good chance aliens dont exist, look at the discards

maf vig
maf something
ww
sk

explains the kills

Same. The "Elsa claiming one of his partner's role" is my best bet

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Then lynching a faction that it's not mafia is the best alternative, since lynching another mafia member is probably not ending that faction

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VOTE: TemporalLich

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I think Performer was pretty much universal scumread. The question is, why Performer and not TL

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Whoever shot xtoxm was probably aiming for town tho
Makes me nervous there’s a scum faction remaining that’s more than 1-2 members

I've been thinking mostly about xtoxm's kill. Why does a scumteam who should believe there are at least two other factions go and kill town? So there's the alternative you say: there's a scum faction with a lot of members that is confident enough of reducing town instead of crosskilling; or another option I thought, is that there's a Rolecop Alien afraid of xtoxm. I only came to this idea because I really don't understand why someone decides to kill xtoxm instead of, like, other 4 players that were good crosskill options.

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Trekkie you should claim

Maybe Gamma first

If we wait for Gamma this game will stagnate.

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Do it Trekkie, please.

Also NMSA claim compared to what he did in the previous GM game could make him town actually, or someone advised him to say what he claimed.

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Pleas tell me you know that guy in the picture.

Kevin Costner in the bodyguard, yes. I thought you were just throwing a random pick

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Who have you targeted?

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I stand corrected
NMSA you should die for...
a) being scum
b) being town who chose VT over a PR

Wisdom's point about scum watcher is pretty good, and your point of NMSA being town who chose VT over PR is right, but I think the best course of action is looking more players in depth for now. I think the big mistake we have commited since D1 is focusing in only one or two players instead of looking at the rest of the playerlist, and maybe that's because we got cocky for lynching Elsa D1.

I'm like, 80% not believing NMSA's claim with Wisdom's point, but that's not enough. I have counterpoints: NMSA's play on the previous GM was different and he chose a 3p that game; he was the first wagon and the first shot of the game by our vig, so discarding parrot to then claim VT is like calling attention all over again and not learning from his discards' mistakes from the previous game.

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We can always let the scum factions decide if NMSA is telling the true or lying. That could solve our problem actually

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@Trekkie or anyone who knows: if a bodyguard protects a doctor and the doctor heals the bodyguard and someone shoots the doctor, does the bodyguard dies?

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We can always let the scum factions decide if NMSA is telling the true or lying. That could solve our problem actually

Well if they believe it why do they kill a VT?

Four options:

NMSA is lying, another scum faction don't believe him and they shoot him. Best option.
NMSA is lying, they believe him. Worst option.
NMSA is telling the truth, they don't believe him. Bad option, but not the worst 'cause we don't mislynch him.
NMSA is telling the truth, they believe him. Good option 'cause they don't kill town and could crosskill instead, but not the best 'cause we still have to deal with him. But if this happens, we could repeat the process all over again.

[pinturicchio]

From the Bodyguard Wiki:
"yaddah yaddah Doctor+Bodyguard can lead to circular protections yaddah yaddah"

Micc, could you confirm this is how it works here?

[pinturicchio]

I have given enough hints of my role by now, wanna guess?

[pinturicchio]

What's the point of claiming A and B? It's not like someone will counterclaim those

[pinturicchio]

Ok I want to be popular:

Setup A:
Vanilla Townie - alignment
Vanilla Townie - discard
One-Shot Paranoid Gun Owner - ability

Setup B: (at first I chose Werewolf bulletproof lover but Micc told me that's illegal)
Bulletproof Alien Lover - ability
Werewolf - discard
FBI Agent - alignment

Setup C:
Compulsive Childkiller - alignment
Guess - ability
Alien Silencer - discard

[pinturicchio]

Great! My ability is Mason Doctor, I think there are posts that Alch and A50 that confirm that. I hinted it when I said scumreading Wisdom wasn't my own read; A50 was scumreading JunkoChan because of the replacement and Alch thought that Junko had enough scum equity without the replacement itself.

I protected A50 at D1 so one of the scumteams had a stronman shot, or I was roleblocked/Jailkept by someone, probably Chemist. At night 2 I protected Irrelephant and that could explain the lack of one of the nightkills.

Kevin Costner, I want you to protect me tonight.

VOTE: Wisdom

[pinturicchio]

From the Bodyguard Wiki:
"yaddah yaddah Doctor+Bodyguard can lead to circular protections yaddah yaddah"

Micc, could you confirm this is how it works here?

Sorry, it's not clear to me what you want me to confirm and/or explain. Please be more specific.

Now that I claimed...

If I protect a bodyguard and the bodyguard protects me, are we immune to nightkills? Or at least at one directed nightkill?

[pinturicchio]

Can't mason be not town? Just can't be Mafia?

Yes, I could be a Werewolf or an Alien I think. But as I said before this game started, I wanted to be a 3p and I had no chance in any of the setups

I had no choice in this setup actually. I didn't want to be an Alien, Compulsive Childkiller is antitown and Mason Doctor was better than Silencer. I'm saying this 'cause Alch and A50 thought that Gamma could be scum because of discarding the Mason Lover card, but I told them that she could think that Mason is not a really cool role. I don't think being a Mason is a cool role either, for example. But I got to be Masons with Alch and A50 and we all townread each other.

[pinturicchio]

Who did you protect, Pintu?

Great! My ability is Mason Doctor, I think there are posts that Alch and A50 that confirm that. I hinted it when I said scumreading Wisdom wasn't my own read; A50 was scumreading JunkoChan because of the replacement and Alch thought that Junko had enough scum equity without the replacement itself.

I protected A50 at D1 so one of the scumteams had a strongman shot, or I was roleblocked/Jailkept by someone, probably Chemist. At night 2 I protected Irrelephant and that could explain the lack of one of the nightkills.

Kevin Costner, I want you to protect me tonight.

VOTE: Wisdom

[pinturicchio]

If I protect a bodyguard and the bodyguard protects me, are we immune to nightkills? Or at least at one directed nightkill?

If a Doctor and a Bodyguard protect each other and the Doctor is targeted with a nightkill, then the Bodyguard would die.
If a Doctor and a Bodyguard protect each other and the Bodyguard is targeted with a nightkill, then neither would die.

Thanks! There goes my plan to run into the woods with Kevin Costner

[pinturicchio]

I don't ever see a world where Wisdom CC here with 4 potential night kills if lying.

I thought the same, but here we are! I think Wisdom is trying to reduce town's power 'cause he has a team behind him and as fast as the town numbers get lowered, his scumteam wins. So what scares me if that, if I get mislynched, his scumteam has the chance to win overnight if the scum factions fail to crosskill. Or even worse, if Wisdom is lynched tomorrow after my lynch, they still win with the correct shots.

I could ask why would use a unique card role when I could use a safe one as scum too. Why risking myself if I wasn't being scumread by anyone and I have a cool role that can be soft confirmed by reading A50, Alch and my ISO?

[pinturicchio]

I'll stick to the idea of less nightkills because the mafia team had a one shot vig and because I protected Rely, who could've been targeted by a player afraid of Rely's Judas claim. I think it was DT who pointed out Rely being scummy yesterday so that's a name to look at.

[pinturicchio]

I didn't meant afraid. I don't know the word, but I meant that the mafiateam would want to recruit Rely, who claimed to use Judas as alignment but could have used it as role, or the other way around, I can't remember how Judas works, it's a pain in the ass.

But by killing me, a claimed doctor (and I hinted that I was doctor plenty of times and I assume Wisdom knew it, since he counterclaimed seconds after I claimed so I think he was waiting for it), they can try to kill Rely and recruit him and win by outnumbering the rest of the scum factions.

[pinturicchio]

I'll stick to the idea of less nightkills because the mafia team had a one shot vig and because I protected Rely, who could've been targeted by a player afraid of Rely's Judas claim. I think it was DT who pointed out Rely being scummy yesterday so that's a name to look at.

Why would scum shoot me for a Judas claim?
Oh actually if they thought I was Judas-aligned it would make sense for Werewolves or something to shoot me just in case I guess, to avoid me intentionally getting lynched when Mafia was near a win

Hm
Why did you protect me?

I protected you 'cause in case the mafia team tried to recruit you.

[pinturicchio]

Judas can't be recruited without a lynch though?

I'm pretty sure it says in the wiki that it works with any kind of kill. The kill won't go through and Judas will turn into mafia

[pinturicchio]

From the Wiki:

A Judas is originally a pro-town role, but when it should die (either by lynch or other kill) it stays alive and converts to the Mafia's side instead

[pinturicchio]

no idea what pint is talking about, i didnt even remember there was another mason until it was mentioned

What are you refering to? I said you realized I was a doctor.

[pinturicchio]

Pintu do you have the posts where the other masons put about you?

I'm exactly working on that, give me a minute

[pinturicchio]

Alch picked town again, yay for us!

This was on my first post of this game. I didn't talk about Allo 'cause we were planning to make Allo our hidden Mason if anyone would have to claim for being pushed, in order to protect him of being killed. A50 didn't read that and claimed Mason to drag the nightkill that's why I protected him over Alch.

You’re vote felt way too weak to be OMGUS. I honestly don’t know what you expected to accomplish with your vote.

Scum on you. Scumlean Brass. Dave’s probTown. Pint I’m sure is Town.

This was the first post Alch made about overall reads; he pushed some players before, called scum others, but never talked about townreads until here. The "I'm sure is town" is a softclaim.

EoP 9, and I'm TRing Alch, pintu & Sakura (yeah I know it's weird).

And if I skimmed correctly, this was the first time A50 talked about reads too. He townreads both Alch and me with the "I know it's weird" as a softclaim.

[pinturicchio]

"TTTT - not mafia but could be 3p
Vedith - pure null
Jingle - pure null
DoubtingThomas - lack of activity and presence makes me think he's not town
Gamma Emerald - pure null, sitewide lack of activity
TemporalLich - possible Elsa's partner
Blooper - lack of activity
JunkoChan - possible Elsa's partner
Chemist1422 - lack of activity

Those are my standings right now. The rest of the list is above null"

I wrote that before the four nightkills. Nothing has changed too much, other than Gamma's lack of activity is now concerning, Jingle is dead and Blooper was replaced.

Also Junko's read wasn't mine and I think Wisdom has been townie.

Also, this readlist I posted it on our Mason thread on D1; the bolded is another proof I've been hinting masons. This could be disregarded because it was after Alch and A50's flip, but eh. I'll post some thoughts posted of our mason thread now since I'm already outed.

[pinturicchio]

Points that were made on the Mason Thread:

Alch pointed out that Gamma could be Werewolf 'cause Werewolf Mason Lover is illegal and she probably had to discard that card in order to be a Werewolf (I don't agree since Mason Lover could be looked like a not great ability regardless of alignment).

When I was saying that Vedith could be scum with Elsa (the three of us thought that Elsa was lying when Rely cced), Alch said that Vedith was on his town range.

I suggested to look whoever was townreading me on early game in order to look like mindmelding with Alch, 'cause he pointed out he was pretty sure I was town and then two or three players agreed with no explanation (Alch had a reason behind it, the other players didn't). Alch agreed, but we never went back to it 'cause Elsa happened.

Then A50 replaced in and automatically claimed his cards to us and suggested us to do the same. Both Alch and me said we didn't do that earlier because of the chance of someone being a Werewolf, but I had my suspicions on Allo and not Alch, so when A50 claimed I dismissed the idea of him being Werewolf because he risked being cced with his claim. He used Vanilla Cop as alignment and Survivor Mason as role. Alch used something I don't want to tell yet to see if someone else claims it 'cause it's a unique card.

Then I claimed saying that something I said earlier, "It seems off for me. But she could've gotten another better role than Mason maybe tho. I understand why you could think that Mason is not that good, I think that myself. I actually had no choice" was a crumb of the Compulsive Childkiller 'cause I wanted to be town and using the mason doctor card as alignment would make me chose between that anti town role or the silencer one which I thought it could be used badly if my reads were off.

Then A50 kept talking about Elsa because he didn't catch up and Alch and me were like "lol read the whole thing we're shaking in expectation". His reaction was hilarious. Then we talked about TTTT, Cloud and Rely not being Elsa's partner because of claims and TTTT's play which was very important to out Elsa. I included ofrhz in that list 'cause she outted info about the previous game that was helpful to catch Elsa too. Then we talked about Junko's replace out timing and then gave our read list. I'll put A50's readlist in another post to not make this one bigger.

[pinturicchio]

mason doc might be truthful
but its still scum

Actually this is true. Pintu only proved his ability, not his alignment.

Yeah, I said that I could be a Werewolf/Alien/3p etc too, I'm just not mafia confirmed. But I haven't said I'm town confirmed, did I? I'm just providing all the info I can so you guys realize Wisdom is lying.

[pinturicchio]

And this were A50's reads before dying:

pinturicchio + Alchemist21
davesaz
Sakura Hana

Xtoxm
TemporalLich
Vedith
Irrelephant11

Shadowlesscloud
TTTT
ofrhz
Jingle

NotMySpamAccount + DoubtingThomas + Performer + Gamma Emerald + Blooper + Wisdom + Chemist1422

He added that he had the impression that brass replaced out 'cause he had a real life reason and that Junko replaced out because Elsa died (he also talked about Gamma replacement but that didn't go through), but that "these are mere speculations on my part and cannot be used to argue a case on any of them". That's the main reason I talked about looking over Wisdom but that it wasn't my read and that I thought he was townie, since I wouldn't use the replacement argument to build a case on him.

[pinturicchio]

Ah okay I see.
I think I believe Pintu.

ive never faked cc nor will i ever

if im ccing its because i have what im ccing

Yeah... I really believe this.

VOTE: Pintu

I really know that, as a player looking this from outside, it's difficult to decide which one of us is telling the truth and which one of us is lying, but jumping from one to the other with no reasoning on why you believe one or the other is not helpful

[pinturicchio]

even if the mod himself confirmed youre a mason cop i would still not be lying because that isn't what i cc'd

One more time: I haven't said once that I'm confirmed as not lying; I'm giving all the information that I can to the rest of the playerlist decide which one of us is lying. I'm saying it's you, you're saying it's me. I'm giving all the info I have because 1. In case it's helpful for someone to decide you're lying (and I know that as a fact so obviously I want them to realize that), or 2. In case I get lynched, I gave all the information I had in my hands so it can be looked after I die.

[pinturicchio]

mason doc might be truthful
but its still scum

Actually this is true. Pintu only proved his ability, not his alignment.

Yeah, I said that I could be a Werewolf/Alien/3p etc too, I'm just not mafia confirmed. But I haven't said I'm town confirmed, did I? I'm just providing all the info I can so you guys realize Wisdom is lying.

Like, I said this two posts ago, why do you keep pushing the idea that I'm trying to make myself town confirmed and that it's a fact that you're lying?

[pinturicchio]

I think Wisdom is trying to say your role means nothing as it's your alignment card he's counter claiming.
Meaning that one of you are not town here. Regardless of roles.

And I'm saying, for the third time, that I'm not implying that my role makes me town aligned. I never did say something even remotely close to that. I'm saying that Wisdom is lying with his CC, and I outted all the info I had, period.

[pinturicchio]

no, you said youre proving im lying
you arent

@pinto

4th time. I'm not. Show me where did I say I'm proving you're lying. I want the rest to realize you are lying, I'm not proving it.

[pinturicchio]

no, you said youre proving im lying
you arent

@pinto

4th time. I'm not. Show me where did I say I'm proving you're lying.

I want the rest to realize you are lying, I'm not proving it.

Yes, I said it right here too. Making the rest realize you're lying is not proving it. You put that word in my rethoric to push the idea I wanted to prove myself as town in order to disregard everything I've posted. Nope. Not the case.

[pinturicchio]

Are you trying to piss me off?

[pinturicchio]

this reads that the info youre providing somehow shows im lying
your info is related to your ability
ive ccd your alignment

I haven't said even once that the info I'm providing shows you're lying. To be more clear: I want people to realize you're lying, and I'm outting all the info I have in case that helps. That doesn't mean A implies B; I'm towning myself up, 'cause that's my job at this moment. Is it more clear now?

[pinturicchio]

Omg I have said like 5 times already that I'm not trying to prove my alignment mechanically, I'm providing all the info I have, nothing else. For fucks sake dude.

We did talk about the possibility of one of us being Werewolf/Alien/3p/whatever. I said it in the post I talked about everything relevant of our Mason Thread. I said that either Alch or me wanted to claim at first because of the chance of not everyone being town, but after A50 claimed, we both claimed, since we had suspicions on Allo but were pretty damn sure the other was town. We were townreading each other fair and square, we had all the info we had to know.

[pinturicchio]

One last time, so you understand my thought process:

I have to prove my role (yes, role, not alignment) to make the rest of the info I will provide to be faithful, so the rest of the playerlist gets all the info possible to decide which one of Wisdom or me is lying. I'm in no way saying I'm confirmed as town or that I can't be lying, I'm saying I KNOW Wisdom is lying and I want the rest of the playerlist to look at everything possible to realize this. No, I can't prove my alignment; no, I'm not proving Wisdom is lying; yes, Wisdom is CCing my alignment card and there's no factual proof that denies that as possibility.

[pinturicchio]

VOTE: Pinturicchio

It doesnt matter what youve specifically said, its your intentions behind it. Youve brought up being a mason and proving your mason as a way to make yourself look townie. Being a mason doc has 0 to do with your role so it shouldnt be being discussed at all rn.

Yes yes yes that's exactly what I've done. That's what I have to do, Shadow, town it up to get Wisdom lynched and not me. I've been pretty straightforward about that.

[pinturicchio]

mason doc might be truthful
but its still scum

Actually this is true. Pintu only proved his ability, not his alignment.

Yeah, I said that I could be a Werewolf/Alien/3p etc too, I'm just not mafia confirmed. But I haven't said I'm town confirmed, did I? I'm just providing all the info I can so you guys realize Wisdom is lying.

even if the mod himself confirmed youre a mason cop i would still not be lying because that isn't what i cc'd

One more time: I haven't said once that I'm confirmed as not lying; I'm giving all the information that I can to the rest of the playerlist decide which one of us is lying. I'm saying it's you, you're saying it's me. I'm giving all the info I have because 1. In case it's helpful for someone to decide you're lying (and I know that as a fact so obviously I want them to realize that), or 2. In case I get lynched, I gave all the information I had in my hands so it can be looked after I die.

mason doc might be truthful
but its still scum

Actually this is true. Pintu only proved his ability, not his alignment.

Yeah, I said that I could be a Werewolf/Alien/3p etc too, I'm just not mafia confirmed. But I haven't said I'm town confirmed, did I? I'm just providing all the info I can so you guys realize Wisdom is lying.

Like, I said this two posts ago, why do you keep pushing the idea that I'm trying to make myself town confirmed and that it's a fact that you're lying?

I think Wisdom is trying to say your role means nothing as it's your alignment card he's counter claiming.
Meaning that one of you are not town here. Regardless of roles.

And I'm saying, for the third time, that I'm not implying that my role makes me town aligned. I never did say something even remotely close to that. I'm saying that Wisdom is lying with his CC, and I outted all the info I had, period.

no, you said youre proving im lying
you arent

@pinto

4th time. I'm not. Show me where did I say I'm proving you're lying. I want the rest to realize you are lying, I'm not proving it.

no, you said youre proving im lying
you arent

@pinto

4th time. I'm not. Show me where did I say I'm proving you're lying.

I want the rest to realize you are lying, I'm not proving it.

Yes, I said it right here too. Making the rest realize you're lying is not proving it. You put that word in my rethoric to push the idea I wanted to prove myself as town in order to disregard everything I've posted. Nope. Not the case.

this reads that the info youre providing somehow shows im lying
your info is related to your ability
ive ccd your alignment

I haven't said even once that the info I'm providing shows you're lying. To be more clear: I want people to realize you're lying, and I'm outting all the info I have in case that helps. That doesn't mean A implies B; I'm towning myself up, 'cause that's my job at this moment. Is it more clear now?

Omg I have said like 5 times already that I'm not trying to prove my alignment mechanically, I'm providing all the info I have, nothing else. For fucks sake dude.

We did talk about the possibility of one of us being Werewolf/Alien/3p/whatever. I said it in the post I talked about everything relevant of our Mason Thread. I said that either Alch or me wanted to claim at first because of the chance of not everyone being town, but after A50 claimed, we both claimed, since we had suspicions on Allo but were pretty damn sure the other was town. We were townreading each other fair and square, we had all the info we had to know.

One last time, so you understand my thought process:

I have to prove my role (yes, role, not alignment) to make the rest of the info I will provide to be faithful, so the rest of the playerlist gets all the info possible to decide which one of Wisdom or me is lying. I'm in no way saying I'm confirmed as town or that I can't be lying, I'm saying I KNOW Wisdom is lying and I want the rest of the playerlist to look at everything possible to realize this. No, I can't prove my alignment; no, I'm not proving Wisdom is lying; yes, Wisdom is CCing my alignment card and there's no factual proof that denies that as possibility.

Come on dude... I've been pretty straightforward about this. Wisdom made you all believe that I tried to proof myself as town when I've said six times that's not the case. I specifically said that I could be Werewolf etc etc etc.

[pinturicchio]

And it looks like others are townreading you soley because you are mason doc

And about this: yeah if someone townreads me soley because my claim they would be wrong, or at least that's not what intended. But I don't see anyone townreading me because of my claim.

[pinturicchio]

pintu your mason crumbs suck
and you were in the last game so you should know better

The crumbs I showed were from A50 and Alch, so eeeeh tell them? But what's the point?

[pinturicchio]

pintu your mason crumbs suck
and you were in the last game so you should know better

The crumbs I showed were from A50 and Alch, so eeeeh tell them? But what's the point?

the point is I literally spelled out "mason" and my partner's name in the last game
and made sure Nim knew how to use those crumbs if needed
and here you are scrambling to point to iffy crumbs
after seeing how powerful mason doc is in this setup
I'm not even sure I buy the mason claim rn

There was no need of making more crumbs tho, I thought I wasn't going to outlive either A50 or Alch since I would be protecting them the whole game. You guys made those crumbs 'cause both Nim and you were hard pushed. Alch, A50 and me were all townread here. I had the bad luck of being the only survivor of the three.

[pinturicchio]

after rereading 1505 I buy the mason claim
50/50 it's Alien mason doc

Why Alien specifically?

[pinturicchio]

Inside your bones?

[pinturicchio]

dave is town

[pinturicchio]

Yeah I don’t remember who said I could flip by nightkill but they were wrong
Oh Pintu I think, because he said that’s why he doctored me

Pedit: Wisdom I’ll let you know after some other slots claim

I did, I quoted the Judas Wiki even. Maybe it's different for some games?

[pinturicchio]

I'm a little lost with all the mechanics discussion right now

[pinturicchio]

I agree with everyone claiming, TTTT, but with how DT and Gamma have played this game, there's a chance we're never getting those sweet claims

[pinturicchio]

I'd rather get Wisdom vs me solved than lynch a couple of lurkers, but I get your point

[pinturicchio]

DT is online! Quick, somebody do a summoning jutsu!

[pinturicchio]

[pinturicchio]

also pintu yikes. you stalker

omfg it worked, my summoning jutsu worked!

(I logged in and saw your name in Central Park)

[pinturicchio]

So now that we know the existence of Cults, could my voters consider that Wisdom's CC makes sense as a cultist who could know they're winning with a mislynch today?

[pinturicchio]

Wait, like, no other cultist? If Trekkie and Wisdom started as cultist, they don't know each other either?

[pinturicchio]

Irrel my nuts say you are scum what do you got to say

irrel. i feel like you are narrating in a scummy fashion

He was hinting it on D2, actually

[pinturicchio]

Irrel my nuts say you are scum what do you got to say

irrel. i feel like you are narrating in a scummy fashion

He was hinting it on D2, actually

now pintu having this bookmarked

does it make him >rand scum who was trying to find and kill town pr

or a mindful town who town read me and thought i was a pr?

I had it pinned because it was your only read through the entire game so seemed important

[pinturicchio]

Wow nice format dude

[pinturicchio]

cc >rand town

That's basically why I'm the leading wagon at this point

[pinturicchio]

Me? I know he's scum, I think he CC'd 'cause his faction is close to a win and my card is one of the unique ones he would be able to CC. But I understand my unfavourable position and there's not much I can do; I already gave all the info I had in case I get lynched and the game doesn't end after the next night (I am a Mason Doctor so I gave all the info I had of my mason thread with Alch and A50).

[pinturicchio]

Come the fuck on, Wisdom claiming Bulletproof and wanting to solve our 1v1 instead of lynching confscum today? It's so obvious he's avoiding a crosskill from scum so he can get me lynched instead of his ass. Look at the fucking rethoric he uses too: "I cc'd Pint so he's confscum"; "you're still getting lynched today, don't worry"; "pint claimed my alignment card". How can everyone fall for that?

[pinturicchio]

"pint claimed my alignment card". How can everyone fall for that?

Can’t believe I didn’t notice this scummy word choice

Pintu who do you want lynched today, post-claims?

Trekkie, absolutely. Let the scumteams decide if it's Wisdom or me, or lynch on of us tomorrow in case we both survive which is unlikely, but Wisdom's push on me and rethorics are worrying, really worrying on how the gamestate could be for town. If Wisdom is a cultist who somehow realized how many cultist there are alive right now ('cause it's Day 3 and there's no Cult flips so you can get an estimate of how many of there are alive), we have to get rid of them as fast as possible.

[pinturicchio]

VOTE: Trekkie

[pinturicchio]

are you referring to pint's word choice or mine

I was being sarcastic about “pint claimed my alignment card” somehow being a scummy word choice

??????? Why the fuck people love putting words in my mouth????? I didn't say it was scummy, I said he's using a subtle rethoric way of convincing people that I'm the one who's lying, and clearly people is falling for it 'cause somehow everyone agrees Wisdom is telling the truth

[pinturicchio]

('cause it's Day 3 and there's no Cult flips so you can get an estimate of how many of there are alive)

i lold a little at this empty argument

Explain?

[pinturicchio]

i understand me being against the cultist lynch is maybe worrying for me being a cultist but i really dont see the danger of the cult

scum havent targeted trekkie with their kill or he would be dead, so they have to have targeted him with another ability

there are three town targeting roles, and even if all of them have targeted him and are now cultists, that would mean nobody else town can target them

scum are divided in many different factions and they dont know what the other scum will do so it does not look likely to me that they will try to be culted. if they even can do that without killing trekkie.

so in general i dont see much reason to worry about this

And we know that there are scum players who probably fakeclaimed their role and there are more targeting roles that we think there are, like Wisdom, who claimed BP but he actually had a targeting role and became part of the cult and is trying to sell the idea that we shouldn't worry about the cult and kill town instead.

[pinturicchio]

ofrhz, you, dave and nmsa coming from an objective point of view. You're including your own reads on that.

[pinturicchio]

basically everyone agrees about dave and nmsa so

That doesn't make them out of the cult possibility

[pinturicchio]

Are you fucking serious

[pinturicchio]

I really can't believe how easy is to sway people in your favour, Wisdom.

I'm a survivor, I told you guys I would chose 3p if I had the chance. That's my alignment card. Lynch me tomorrow if you guys want to make me lose, I don't care, but lynch confscum instead of conf3p today. I want town to win either way

[pinturicchio]

Compulsive bodyguard survivor as alignment, and I didn't lie about my role, mason doctor. I'm in no position to negotiate my survival, but at least give me this day and lynch Trekkie

[pinturicchio]

lol no
there were 4 kills n1, one of them is your doing
at least claim sk if you want to be believed

No nightkills from my doing, I can guarantee that

[pinturicchio]

I didn't lie when I said I think the mafia team has a vig, so there's two kills for them. There's two more parties other than me and Mafia

[pinturicchio]

also why are you still acting like im scum? If youre accepting you fakeclaimed im conftown

You're not conftown, but I'm not calling you scum anymore. Sorry for that, pure survivalism

Also, didn't someone claim to be a psychiatrist and targeted me? I can't be an SK, I can't be mafia 'cause I'm a Mason.

[pinturicchio]

Again: it's very likely that Elsa claimed one of his partners' role, so mafia got two kills (and that would explain the lack of a kill last night, 1 shot vig). That would make two more factions with killing abilities. If it's a 3 team mafia, 1 sk and 1 werewolf, plus a survivor who is a 3p and not scum as you are depicting it, it's a pretty balanced setup.

[pinturicchio]

You were calling me town before the cc happened, Wisdom. I've been playing protown since the begining, the same thing I did on Be Someone Else uPick, 'cause seems like town had better chances to win (we got a pretty easy win the last Greatest Mafia game). I have no scum agenda whatsoever in this game.

[pinturicchio]

i find it way more believable that you are one of these and youre claiming survivor to avoid being lynched.

Also, I would've claimed Survivor waaaay earlier if I was scum here. I would've tried to avoid a 1v1 with you as soon as you cc'd, 'cause I know I lose a 1v1 with you 100%.

[pinturicchio]

The lack of kills are your doc and/or my bp
irrele and me are very good targets

Then let me doc Irre again and let one of the scumteams shoot me. Don't waste a lynch on me, town is already in a bad position

[pinturicchio]

if you were a survivor youd say so when i cc'd you

Nope, I would do that as scum; as survivor, I would wait to see how things go and try to win the 1v1 'cause I'm not townreading you, so your flip would confirm my claim and I would try to avoid being nightkilled for the win. And that's what I did; I tried to win the 1v1, and before I could continue to see how things go, Trekkie fucked up.

p-edit: I said it pregame: if I get the chance to be a 3p, I will. I love being 3p and that's something I've said plenty of times. And even tho I like being mafia, it's exhausting, and I had a recent mafia game that was too exhausting. That's why Alch townread me instantly in our mason thread.

[pinturicchio]

you just said you knew you wouldnt win the 1v1 with me so thats bs

besides, you knew i had the card, so even if you won the 1v1 youd get lynched next, which is a no no for a survivor

As survivor the only thing that makes sense is to accept you fakeclaimed and reveal

Not bullshit. I said I would lose it if I were scum, 'cause I know how I act as scum. I would have no arguments to make me look townie, 'cause I'm not that good at this game. But as a survivor, I've been playing like a good ol' town, so I had some reasoning behind my back, and I thought people would see that and think you're scum. And I think you could be scum, so between claiming survivor instantly and probably getting nightkilled, and trying to win a 1v1 that could make you flip scum and give me a powerful stance, I went for the latter. It make sense!

I don't care how you would've proceeded as survivor; you're proyecting that to me and calling me scum for not doing what you would've done.

[pinturicchio]

So I think I'm flipping. I'm giving my last piece of advice: look out for Vedith and ofrhz. They should know better, they should know I don't pick scum in this setup. Bye!

[pinturicchio]

But I'm a 3p and you're lynching a 3p instead of Cult.

[pinturicchio]

Remember the lifesaver that Vedith threw to Elsa on D1? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

I didn't push that 'cause you guys would call me scum for it, but Vedith is pretty much obvscum.

[pinturicchio]

Also dave is probably town and yeah, NMSA could be the SK we are looking for

[pinturicchio]

Claims
Player	Role Card	Alignment Card	Discard
Irrelephant11	Judas	Vanilla Townie	Lover
Shadowlesscloud	Tracker	Hero	Werewolf FBI Agent
TTTT	One-Shot Dayvig	Vanilla Townie	Private Investigator
Vedith	Supersaint	Vanilla Townie	Alpha Werewolf
pinturicchio	Mason Doctor	Compulsive Childkiller	Alien Silencer
Trekkie99	Black Goo	Cult One-shot Goomaker	Mafia Godfather
DoubtingThomas	Werewolf Cop	Bodyguard	Werewolf Gravedigger
davesaz	One-shot Paranoid Gun Owner	Doctor	Alien Mass Redirector
NotMySpamAccount	Vanilla Townie	Watcher	Parrot Role
ofrhz	Serial Killer (2 shot bulletproof)	Hirsute Townie	Vanilla Townie
Gamma Emerald	Psychiatrist	Tourist	Mason Lover
Wisdom	Bulletproof Townie	Compulsive Childkiller	Conspiracy Theorist

The player who replaced Gamma should target NMSA

[pinturicchio]

Oh, ofrhz could be SK too and changed the order of her claims to not be on risk of being cc'd

[pinturicchio]

Good luck getting my partner! I really want town to win now!

[pinturicchio]

And solid job Wisdom, as always. Should've not get cocky and claimed something stupid. @Shadowless your argument of me trying to get townread by claiming mason doctor was awful and I really got frustrated at some point because you and other players were clearly not reading what I was posting, but whatever, you've played cool, good luck!

[pinturicchio]

Oh, ofrhz could be SK too and changed the order of her claims to not be on risk of being cc'd

Also remember this, I'm not joking, I know ofrhz enough

[pinturicchio]

Oh and Vedith I don't know, could go either way

[pinturicchio]

AWOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[pinturicchio]

Werewolves also would’ve won if Pintu claimed differently
But I have to hand it to that impressive psychiatrist play, well done.

sadface

It was a blast scumming with you Rely!

Vedith MVped at the end telling insomnia to target him and shooting Rely. My posthumous plan didn't work as I planned, I thought ofrhz would shoot Vedith before getting targeted

GG all it was a blast! Thanks Micc for modding this two times because we asked for it!

[pinturicchio]

who is suspicious and what alignment are they probably. I'm not gonna read over night but I need to know.

Welcome Jingle! You'll have the night to catch up.

*Proceeds to shoot Jingle*