Non-Reviewed Game [game over]

[Ankamius]

vedith killed sabrina
I killed starwing
scum killed ausuka

[Ankamius]

I can prove my n3 ability by elsa not even claiming their target

[Ankamius]

I shot Sabrina \o/

[Ankamius]

I'll look through later

not atm

[Ankamius]

what was all of light's actions so far?

[Ankamius]

votecount 1.14

4 players voting for DoubtingThomas (ofrhz,

Sabrina LeCutie

,

Ausuka

, Fuscosco)
4 players voting for

Enigma

(

Wisdom

,

Elsa Jay

,

StarwingBeauvoi

,

Dunnstral

)
2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Vedith,

davesaz

)
2 players voting for Vedith (MariaR, light_ganski)
2 players voting for

Elsa Jay

(

Clemency

, DoubtingThomas)
1 player voting for

davesaz

(Gamma Emerald)
1 player voting for

StarwingBeauvoi

(

Enigma

)
1 player voting for

Sabrina LeCutie

(

wilky

)

0 players not voting

with 17 votes, it takes 9 to lynch.

day 1 will end in (expired on 2019-03-19 19:00:00).

mod notes: re:445, I inadvertently recorded DoubtingThomas' vote for Elsa Jay as Elsa Jay voting for himself. this has been fixed in votecount 1.14 (and this one as well, obviously).

:thonk:

the entire Enigma wagon is conftown... on conftown

[Ankamius]

votecount 1.23

7 players voting for

Enigma

(

Wisdom

,

Elsa Jay

,

Dunnstral

, MariaR, Vedith,

StarwingBeauvoi

,

davesaz

)
6 players voting for

Elsa Jay

(

Clemency

, ofrhz, light_ganski, DoubtingThomas,

Enigma

,

Ausuka

)
2 players voting for DoubtingThomas (

Sabrina LeCutie

, Fuscosco)
1 player voting for

davesaz

(Gamma Emerald)

1 player not voting (

chennisden

)

with 17 votes, it takes 9 to lynch.

day 1 will end in (expired on 2019-03-20 19:00:00).

mod notes:

[Ankamius]

Chen did you get any of Wisdom's past stuff?

[Ankamius]

like actions and results

[Ankamius]

Vedith has earned a win with that D1 play if he's scum, so I'll assume he's town
Gamma I still feel like spewed herself town pretty hard

MariaR's associations is no longer enough for a townread
ofrhz isn't really town
Fuscosco isn't really town
light_ganski is probably scum
DoubtingThomas is probably scum

[Ankamius]

Then how do you explain both the vig shot disappearing AND Ofr being on me n1? She couldn't be in 2 places at once.

The rolestop wasn't on Wisdom or Light, so that doesn't explain that.

there could also be a roleblocker

I'd bet on this

and chen was NOT the roleblocker

[Ankamius]

Who was the claimed rolestopper?

[Ankamius]

Ofrhz is rolestopping one of us two tonight.

I'd like to lockscum two slots today so if we end up having a scumlynch + scumnk, she's town

[Ankamius]

I'm debating whether to leash vedith to that same target

[Ankamius]

What does light have available?

[Ankamius]

I feel like we should mass claim tbh

This game should be easily breakable I think

[Ankamius]

Yeah but what is left

[Ankamius]

When was fruit found?

[Ankamius]

Was it last night?

[Ankamius]

How is light conftown?

[Ankamius]

Cool Fuscosco is scum

[Ankamius]

I'm shooting you if you shoot gamma

Its time you explained your townread on gam

Personality read

[Ankamius]

How is light conftown?

Light claimed to have sent me something. He sent me something that lines up exactly with his claimed role.

???????

how does any of that indicate she's conftown

[Ankamius]

I dont believe we have both an FN and Masons, so Im going to conclude that this read of yours is unsubstantiated, especially considering Chenn's antics.

who the fuck are masons

[Ankamius]

we should massclaim today.

[Ankamius]

I fullclaimed today so you're next

[Ankamius]

btw

I'm a n1 vig + n3 vig-inventor-thing

Elsa you should claim whether you have an ability use tonight because I can turn it into a vig shot

[Ankamius]

hard veto mass claim

fucking mafiascum meta. i am here to play mafia, not "let's claim everything and see which claim is most scummy hurr durr"

can we use logic to solve the game instead of roles

cool

you're next then!

[Ankamius]

d5 lynchproof is your entire role?

[Ankamius]

TICK TOCK DT

[Ankamius]

I don't think Chen specifically needs to claim tbh

it's not like setup balance is a thing with this game and the only thing we really need to do with the roles is use them to push scum into a corner

[Ankamius]

how the fuck is not claiming my role even scummy

because as scum i just say whatever is closest to my role and make myself look townie

cool

claim anyways and stop stalling

[Ankamius]

DT is scum.

who hasn't claimed yet?

[Ankamius]

light which inventions do you still have?

[Ankamius]

no.

claim or get lynched.

[Ankamius]

Now.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

Who hasn't claimed yet? We need to plan this out before we go through with this.

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: DoubtingThomas

statement made (:

[Ankamius]

MariaR is there an extra anything attached to the lynchproof? otherwise we kinda have to shoot you tonight

[Ankamius]

because it's 7-3 with two vig shots tonight

worst case it's LyLo tomorrow so we need to get all these claims out today

[Ankamius]

ftr DT's hideous pushback against the massclaim is pretty strong evidence that he doesn't have a fakeclaim ready and his role is not claimable

[Ankamius]

Then I suggest doing this tomorrow.
I'll shoot Maria tonight and we lynch else where today.

I don't think you understand?

we HAVE to solve some of these roles today because they're an important piece of the puzzle

we can't wait until potential LyLo to do it because we don't know who is going to survive to tomorrow.

[Ankamius]

light:

give me the bodyguard tonight

elsa and vedith should be targeting the same slot

[Ankamius]

No, I think it's a bad idea, Ank.

why.

[Ankamius]

light:

give me the bodyguard tonight

elsa and vedith should be targeting the same slot

Explain.

so we can be 100% certain we have our target killed.

[Ankamius]

Ank stop playing role mafia pls

why.

[Ankamius]

I really don't think the lynch should ever be outside DT/Fuscosco

[Ankamius]

The target will 100% die already Ank or the only person who can stop it is DT/the rolestopper.
We're lynching DT today and if the rolestopper fks up the vigshots they're outted
Pedit: Because this game isn't Role=AI. Mafia has never been a game of Role=AI but this game even more so considering 4 people just picked roles to add in.

I'm
not
trying
to
do
role = ai

I'm
trying
to
brute
force
a
won
endgame

[Ankamius]

I'm looking to force scum to do town-aligned actions

or out themselves by not doing it

[Ankamius]

is there any problem with:

me giving elsa the vig
elsa targeting a lot
vedith targeting the same slot
light giving me the bodyguard

[Ankamius]

I'm looking to force scum to do town-aligned actions

or out themselves by not doing it

I'm town reading DT like I'm town reading you.

DT's fightback against the massclaim is the scummiest shit I've seen in a long time

[Ankamius]

like

it's CLASSIC "scum needs to buy time to build a fakeclaim" pushback

[Ankamius]

it makes me self-resolving, Fusco

[Ankamius]

is there any problem with:

me giving elsa the vig
elsa targeting a lot
vedith targeting the same slot
light giving me the bodyguard

Yes.
Why are you taking the bodyguard when you're already a tr slot. We should give it to a slot that we suspect and perma put them on a slot we tr. (Like making Fur not hide so he has to take the bodyguard and be a useful slot)
Also the double vig isn't needed because no one can stop kills besides 2 people and they won't do that or they're outted

yes it is

1. if scum have the ability to stop a kill, they will obviously choose a vig that will target a member of their scumteam
2. it makes damn sure that our target will be shot; if TWO kills fail on one target, there's obviously a reason for it

[Ankamius]

I don't have the raw credibility to ask for a strong role or I would ask for one

I strongly believe that there will be paranoia on my slot tomorrow, so having the bodyguard will make me self-resolving and therefore not worth paranoia-scumreading.

[Ankamius]

rolestopper should be on an undisclosed target between me and Elsa

BOTH of us need our abilities to go through for the vig to work and it's much easier to counter if the rolestop target is public

[Ankamius]

why are you townreading DT again?

[Ankamius]

oh shit, you're right

yeah rolestopper should be on me :V

[Ankamius]

that's exactly why both vigs should be on the same target

[Ankamius]

give DT the bodyguard then

[Ankamius]

Do you see why my plan works Ank?

yeah... rolestop is not a role I see often enough to be able to intuitively think around :V

[Ankamius]

Fusco doesn't have to hide nor should he. He should get lights bodyguard by not hiding. That way he can be useful and bodyguard a dif slot keeping them alive or he's outted.
Pedit: Dear god no

I'm really worried about SvS WIFOM with that interaction

[Ankamius]

mmmmm

yeah, I'm fine with this

I give vig shot to Elsa
Ofrhz rolestops me
Elsa targets MariaR
Vedith targets MariaR
light gives bodyguard to Fuscosco
Fuscosco does not hide
Chen does chen things
gamma flakes out
mariar stays unlynchable

DT gets lynched

[Ankamius]

I'm not going to consider lynching anybody but DT

the fact that he came in just to very loudly protest the massclaim and then immediately vanished says a lot

[Ankamius]

I'm not assuming anybody's alignment tomorrow.

[Ankamius]

Then I have nothing elsa to say to you this day.

Ftfy

Seriously though there still doesn't feel like an ounce of town cohesion here.

do you see any problems with that plan

[Ankamius]

Ofrhz could you fullclaim please?

[Ankamius]

I'm hard claiming DT town.
I still refuse to give anything else.

But given I'm doing that you either lynch me over DT or not at all.

Are you masons?

[Ankamius]

I'm just curious Vedith

since Fuscosco casually mentioned there were masons in this setup?

[Ankamius]

ofrhz are you just a vanilla rolestopper

[Ankamius]

Vedith you understand that there's literally no reason to hide WHY somebody is conftown when

we already have two conftowns

, right?

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Vedith

[Ankamius]

ofrhz you're being leashed to me tonight so I can give Elsa her vig shot

[Ankamius]

I'm pretty certain Vedith is the correct play to test that claim, Elsa.

I think there's good odds that Fuscosco just outed all three of the scum.

[Ankamius]

I will be home from vacay in 5 hours and will do my best to catch up then

can you preload your rolestop with the mod at least please? :/

[Ankamius]

Town read on Ank has gone.
Good to know.

FOR WHAT LOL

[Ankamius]

awwwww are you threatening to shoot me :3

that's cute

[Ankamius]

why is it a town thought process to stop townreading me for wanting to confirm town, Vedith

tell me.

[Ankamius]

......

[Ankamius]

I'm not buying that, sorry.

[Ankamius]

if you two are masons, then why does Fuscosco know as a HIDER?

[Ankamius]

I'm done with this game

VOTE: Fuscosco

see you tomorrow

[Ankamius]

mmmmm

yeah, I'm fine with this

I give vig shot to Elsa
Ofrhz rolestops me
Elsa targets MariaR
Vedith targets MariaR
light gives bodyguard to Fuscosco
Fuscosco does not hide
Chen does chen things
gamma flakes out
mariar stays unlynchable

DT gets lynched

What is this supposed to accomplish again? Without anyone on Elsa tonight, won't she likely just get killed? i.e. why should I be on you over the conftowns

Because I cannot give the vig shot to Elsa if you rolestop her

[Ankamius]

this game is so hard to give a shit about anymore

holy fuck

[Ankamius]

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

I don't give a shit whether he's a strong confirmable town role or not

I really don't.

[Ankamius]

tbh the easiest solve is just Vedith+DoubtingThomas+Fuscosco

[Ankamius]

hey fuscosco

can you tell the class why you assumed there were masons in this setup?

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Fuscosco

[Ankamius]

if they are some fucking stupid role that doesn't matter then I'm going to be extremely upset

[Ankamius]

anka, just really know that your play today is completely and utterly anti town

you understand why town generally massclaims the day before lylo right

because you cannot ever trust claims in lylo

[Ankamius]

so frankly I don't give a shit what you are

if you claim it tomorrow and not today, it has zero credibility

[Ankamius]

the ONLY exception is if your claim is provably town which basically means Friendly Neighbor and nothing else

[Ankamius]

and conftown status really has no place being unclaimed today considering we already have two confirmed towns

[Ankamius]

and conftown status really has no place being unclaimed today considering we already have two confirmed towns :]

Because?

because... if scum could nuke all of them, they'd just instantly win the game regardless?

and narrowing down the possibilities by itself is helpful to solving the game now that we're hitting the point where we need to be able to solve this shit asap because we don't know what scum has to potentially end the game

[Ankamius]

That's why I am playing like this fusco

[Ankamius]

VOTE: fusco

[Ankamius]

We are double vigging maria to make sure she dies

Then we can decide from there based on how many scumflips we have

[Ankamius]

VOTE: ofrhz

[Ankamius]

I think ofrhz is objectively the best lynch now actually

[Ankamius]

you're voting the claimed lynchproof

[Ankamius]

1.chennisden
2.Elsa Jay
4.Vedith
7.DoubtingThomas

3.light_ganski
5.Ankamius
6.ofrhz
8.Gamma Emerald
9.MariaR
10.Fuscosco

there's a 50% chance in this entire list to hit scum for you all

I won't go into what I'm pretty sure is going on with your three but ofrhz is a claimed rolestopper and if you genuinely believe that MariaR is scum, then have vedith shoot her tonight and allow me to potentially prove my second ability via elsa to make sure that shot goes through

if ofrhz is scum, I don't think the other two scum slots are able to directly cause BOTH vig shots to fail, while I could potentially see it being ofrhz + other being able to.

plus it removes that entire peg from the board that could fuck with people's actions tonight

[Ankamius]

actually

VOTE: MariaR

this is the safest play and the only way we can 100% avoid potentially losing overnight, you're right

[Ankamius]

I'm leashed to elsa, leash elsa to target somebody that isn't going to mess with anything you're doing
leash light to somebody
rest is yours to figure out

[Ankamius]

if mariar doesn't flip, vedith and elsa should be on the same target, worst case we end up with LyLo I'm pretty sure

if mariar DOES flip scum, then do 2580

[Ankamius]

Elsa

Vig target if mariar doesn't flip please

[Ankamius]

Light no.

[Ankamius]

actually

VOTE: MariaR

this is the safest play and the only way we can 100% avoid potentially losing overnight, you're right

[Ankamius]

7:3

Lynch plus potentially 3 nightkills

[Ankamius]

I'm voting you because it is optimal

[Ankamius]

Actually both the vigs are conftown

Are you even reading?

[Ankamius]

Scum redirecter

[Ankamius]

Btw all I care about atm are the vigs

[Ankamius]

We have literally six slots that can have any ability to be scum

It would be a hell of a feat to nuke only town in that scenario

[Ankamius]

mariar confirmed not reading my posts

[Ankamius]

I'll take being stupid if it ends this nightmare game

[Ankamius]

cool

[Ankamius]

ngl if this game has fake conftowns then I'll just accept the loss, oh well I tried with what I got

[Ankamius]

Oh don't worry this game has been a fucking blast for me too

[Ankamius]

if I had role info for gamma being town, I would've outed it by now

[Ankamius]

it will be glaringly obvious after tonight if there's false conftowns around, everything should be spent confirming people outside of that group

[Ankamius]

fuscosco is pretty rapidly obvscumming himself lol

[Ankamius]

assuming elsa/chen/dt/vedith are all legit obvtown slots

fuscosco has good scum equity
mariar has good scum equity

ofrhz is probably the most likely of the others
I'll be sad if gamma-slot is scum
light probably isn't because confirmed role but either way it will be shown pretty fast here

I hope it's really obvious I'm town here but worst case just leash me onto bodyguard duty since I won't have any more ability uses after tonight anyways

[Ankamius]

I feel like town!ofrhz should just not rolestop anybody tbh

[Ankamius]

lol

[Ankamius]

can we just shoot fusco

[Ankamius]

I'm putting this game in the list of "very strong start that I give up for some reason"

[Ankamius]

I think this game just really shows how gamebreaking replacements are

[Ankamius]

better scum roles next time.

i have a few ideas, and a bit of experience modding nrg approved games

Scum HAD a very strong role

It also died d1

[Ankamius]

better scum roles next time.

i have a few ideas, and a bit of experience modding nrg approved games

Tbh

This one isn't really AS bad since town was very likely going to win mechanically anyways, the only reason the scumteam had a shot at winning at all was because DT flaked at the worst possible time

[Ankamius]

How did that quote get there