Fire on the Mountain [Over]

Enter · Post Post #2994 (isolation #0) » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:27 am

Have you played w/ FA before and how much?

Enter · Post Post #3418 (isolation #1) » Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:10 am

In post 3374, Prince of Renais wrote:
In post 243, grapes wrote:I'm familiar with a good chunk of names here... but im pretty sure just lycanfire, gamma, extrapolated eagle, vedith and xtom have been in a game with me before.
good news: i think there is always at least one scum on this list. even reasonably good odds of both scum. virtually never all town
bad news: that doesn't actually poe the game down that much given that 4 of the slots are currently in the general lynchpool

3
Ank is off the table

Enter · Post Post #4889 (isolation #2) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:30 pm

The buj lynch was absolutely trash.
I can understand shoshin, but like that one shouldn't have happened.

Enter · Post Post #4890 (isolation #3) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:30 pm

all i read were vote counts

someone help me catch up on reads

Enter · Post Post #4891 (isolation #4) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:31 pm

ank what are the important things that have happened this game

Enter · Post Post #4897 (isolation #5) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:33 pm

In post 4894, RadiantCowbells wrote:I mean, buj lynch is what happens when I'm too scared to take the wheel because I don't see a safe scum flip in the lynchpool and I don't want to risk having my slot lynched before endgame.

I think people let emotions get high when they really shouldn't have.

I scrolled back a few pages and mcqueen looks like a real Lucille Bluth with all the manipulation going on there.

Enter · Post Post #4899 (isolation #6) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:35 pm

In post 4898, Ankamius wrote:sorry I guess

catch me up on the game

what's the game state, what are your reads?

Enter · Post Post #4901 (isolation #7) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:36 pm

To be completely fair, though, Extrapolated Eagle looks like a total pushover, actually super easy to manipulate. :/

Enter · Post Post #4906 (isolation #8) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:38 pm

In post 4902, Ankamius wrote:I'm just waiting to die tbh

I'm rapidly losing the drive to care

Wait, why?
I just got here!

Enter · Post Post #4907 (isolation #9) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:40 pm

This is NSG's largest game at this point, afaik, her last was 189, let's see if we can double that for her!

Enter · Post Post #4908 (isolation #10) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:41 pm

189 pages

Enter · Post Post #4913 (isolation #11) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:43 pm

EE's game solve looks kind of ok? Idk, I like that she tried to narrow it down a bit, but I'm not particularly certain that it's correct, TBH. What do you think of it, Creature?

Enter · Post Post #4914 (isolation #12) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:44 pm

In post 4911, DrDolittle wrote:hello im here

HI! Talk about this, please?

In post 4913, Enter wrote:EE's game solve looks kind of ok? Idk, I like that she tried to narrow it down a bit, but I'm not particularly certain that it's correct, TBH. What do you think of it, Creature?

*he, sorry, I'm bad with pronouns

Enter · Post Post #4923 (isolation #13) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:47 pm

In post 4920, Creature wrote:
In post 4913, Enter wrote:EE's game solve looks kind of ok? Idk, I like that she tried to narrow it down a bit, but I'm not particularly certain that it's correct, TBH. What do you think of it, Creature?
EE was a toy.

He seemed very easy to manipulate, yes.

Enter · Post Post #4926 (isolation #14) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:48 pm

In post 4924, Ankamius wrote:wow

What's up?

Enter · Post Post #4931 (isolation #15) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:51 pm

In post 4929, Ankamius wrote:
In post 4926, Enter wrote:
In post 4924, Ankamius wrote:wow
What's up?
even after removing me that list is still bad lol

He's thinking outside of the box! \O/

In post 4930, DrDolittle wrote:you replaced in like 20 minutes ago dude

Yeah lol Creature seems to be super confident in his reads for having just replaced in lol

Enter · Post Post #4935 (isolation #16) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:53 pm

In post 4932, Ankamius wrote:yeah I'm not in the mood for this atm

later

Alright...

:/

Feel better when you come back.

Enter · Post Post #4937 (isolation #17) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:55 pm

In post 4936, DrDolittle wrote:is there anything else anyone wants to talka bout

Reads

We need to PoE pretty hard
Do you wanna talk about your reads more
I want to talk about your reads more

Enter · Post Post #4939 (isolation #18) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:56 pm

In post 4938, DrDolittle wrote:ok lets talk about my reads

RAS first

Enter · Post Post #4967 (isolation #19) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:37 pm

bbbbbbbbb

Enter · Post Post #4969 (isolation #20) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:43 pm

Sure

Wanna start over from RVS?

Enter · Post Post #4975 (isolation #21) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:47 pm

In post 4971, Liger_Zero wrote:What is going on?

Hi! I don't believe we've met?

Could you help me catch up on any important events this game as well as what your PoE looks like? I'm mostly interested in the latter but if there's anything big I missed, letting me know would be cool.

Enter · Post Post #4998 (isolation #22) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:09 pm

Let's do this for now

VOTE: Max

Enter · Post Post #5001 (isolation #23) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:11 pm

In post 4978, RadiantCowbells wrote:I am lynching in {RAS, Xtoxm, DDL}

I don't think RAS/DDL is S/S

Enter · Post Post #5005 (isolation #24) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:13 pm

I could see RAS/mcqueen

Enter · Post Post #5006 (isolation #25) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:13 pm

Darn, ninja'd

Enter · Post Post #5007 (isolation #26) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:13 pm

Alisae replace out due to loss of hope because mcqueen is never present and people are starting to scumread em?

Enter · Post Post #5009 (isolation #27) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:15 pm

In post 1346, mcqueen wrote:So there’s scum in {PR, Alisae, and Rei} ? Scum team found already ?

Enter · Post Post #5021 (isolation #28) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:20 pm

alright

i'm calling xtoxm/ddl town for rn

let's call it a lynch pool of (RAS/mcqueen/Liger)

Enter · Post Post #5025 (isolation #29) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:23 pm

In post 3108, RAS wrote:I'm down to lynch either of the D's.

VOTE: Dannflor.

In post 3114, RAS wrote:
In post 3112, DrDolittle wrote:give me a quick case on what's wrong with Dannflor, RAS
I only skimmed through some ISO's but both you and him are 2 people that stood out to me as great lynches today. I'm going to be changing my vote because I dislike how passive and distant you've been, and how you ignored what I said in my previous posts completely despite it looking like you faked a comment on purpose. You knew Jingle had a "case" on you, and you acted like he didn't for a second. When I brought it up, you ignored it and responded to other things instead. It was obvious that you knew since you acknowledged it, it's not something you can just forget.

I ISO'd Dannflor quickly this morning before I placed my vote and I felt like he was fillering and playing abnormally passive in a few of his later posts, but I just went through it again, and I'm not getting that vibe anymore. I don't feel like my vote on him was that great, and I'm more comfortable voting you since I've actually had the chance to interact with you, and I haven't been liking the way you've been acting ever since I've joined the game.

VOTE: DDL.

There's no real reason for RAS to pull this vote change between these two posts that are six posts apart if he's scum w/ DDL. This vote change makes me think he's maybe even town, but on top of that

In post 4922, DrDolittle wrote:vedith | RAS | jingle possible but less so

In post 4944, DrDolittle wrote:RAS was pretty mean to me. He comes in all gung-ho, but that evaporates as soon as he sees that I couldn't be mislynched that day. Now it could be that he's a forceful player, but what happened was he just went on whatever wagon was the biggest, and that doesn't seem like the type of play with that sort of entrance

4905's big letters also kind of helped.

RAS is the only read from DDL's reads list DDL gives a real read on of any particular size

Enter · Post Post #5026 (isolation #30) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:24 pm

In post 5023, MaxwellPuckett wrote:
In post 5021, Enter wrote:alright

i'm calling xtoxm/ddl town for rn

let's call it a lynch pool of (RAS/mcqueen/Liger)
Wait what about me
Also why dolittle town

you just made an opportunistic vote and I didn't like it
also i'm not convinced you're town
but i don't wanna lynch you yet

I want you to push things first
i want to see real thoughts from you

Enter · Post Post #5031 (isolation #31) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:27 pm

In post 5027, RadiantCowbells wrote:i take the opposite thing from that interaction that you do, enter

ok

i'll go back a few pages and get some more context, then

In post 5028, MaxwellPuckett wrote:
In post 4940, DrDolittle wrote:Clemency tries to push shoshin as his only activity and that's pretty scummy. I was fooled earlier by his Jake Peralta image, but no more. I thought the endphase of Maxwell vs Liger, Liger definitely looked more town. Also Maxwell didn't want to take too hard of a stance on me, and that's pretty scummy.
What abt this other post of particular size that dolittle made abt me

Did you forget me this quick eagle

@rc do you read the tone in the post max quoted as different from the tone in teh one i quoted from DDL going into some sort of depth on his reads?

Enter · Post Post #5033 (isolation #32) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:28 pm

In post 5030, RadiantCowbells wrote:like longest read in a scum's readlist is often scum.

I agree, but there's two of them and only one scum outside of DDL, and I thought DDL's post on Max was more damning than DDL's post on RAS

Enter · Post Post #5036 (isolation #33) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:29 pm

In post 5032, MaxwellPuckett wrote:
In post 5026, Enter wrote:you just made an opportunistic vote and I didn't like it
also i'm not convinced you're town
but i don't wanna lynch you yet

I want you to push things first
i want to see real thoughts from you
What would be a vote that isnt opportunistic in a poe of like ~5 players
Im not abt to go after someone whos obvtown and theres a lot of obvtown

But ive been giving real thoughts this is the extent of it its not going to get better from here
Ive given reads on most of the list at this point and theyre recent is there a particular one you want to know more about

no i just want you to take lead on a push

i don't need you to lead town

i just want you to take lead on a push of any sort
even if it's against the grain a bit

Enter · Post Post #5037 (isolation #34) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:29 pm

I'm real sorry Max

Enter · Post Post #5044 (isolation #35) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:32 pm

In post 5032, MaxwellPuckett wrote:
In post 5026, Enter wrote:you just made an opportunistic vote and I didn't like it
also i'm not convinced you're town
but i don't wanna lynch you yet

I want you to push things first
i want to see real thoughts from you
What would be a vote that isnt opportunistic in a poe of like ~5 players
Im not abt to go after someone whos obvtown and theres a lot of obvtown

But ive been giving real thoughts this is the extent of it its not going to get better from here
Ive given reads on most of the list at this point and theyre recent is there a particular one you want to know more about

Naw, I didn't really see the context around the vote, I missed RC's PoE a couple posts before that I assume you based your vote off of?
It looked to me like RC hinted that he was pushing DDL and off that hint you decided to actually drop a vote. This feels like the wrong part of the game to be dropping sheep votes, particularly if you're trying to sheep someone and the person you're trying to sheep hasn't placed a vote yet. It felt really rather weird and out of place.

As far as people I want to know more about, talk to me about probabilities for scum between RAS/DDL/xtoxm/Liger/mcqueen

Just list the pairs that come to mind as most likely and the ones that come to mind as least likely

Enter · Post Post #5046 (isolation #36) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:33 pm

Is there anything else you want me to respond to, Max?

Enter · Post Post #5047 (isolation #37) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:33 pm

Dann is town.

Enter · Post Post #5065 (isolation #38) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:40 pm

Alright so I have liked some of Liger's more recent posting, actually, but I don't like his exchange w/ Eagle at beginning of day today. My read on Liger/mcqueen is a lot like this:
I see them both as relatively high equity scum individually, and I don't see a very high likelihood that they're not a team together, which adds up to a relatively high probability (IMO) that they're scum together. I have a tendency to call scum teams relatively early in the day and then become dissuaded from them throughout the day because I end up getting into interactions with them that mirror ones like the ones I had w/ Shoshin or the ones Eagle had w/ Liger. The way I see it we could lynch outside of mcqueen/Liger right now, but if we did, and I was right on them (and you were right on them) I think we'd both be quite disappointed in ourselves. I don't want to lose to a Liger/mcqueen scum team at this point because I got distracted by the possibility of another scum team, which is something that happens to me quite a bit. I think pretty much everyone here can agree mcqueen is pretty high equity scum right now, so I would almost propose we just lynch there except for the fear that we wouldn't be here to lead town tomorrow. However, I'm going to stick by these reads for the moment because I'm weighing them against other reads and I'm not getting convinced otherwise. I think mcqueen pushed the NerfedBuj lynch yesterday because he saw his game looking like it was about to fall apart, and the fact that we lynched Buj late yesterday is what's giving you and me the fear that we've got it all wrong. I don't want to paranoia read RAS, so while I was suspicious of them for a while, I'm going to give them BoD town read for now until I can read into them a bit closer.

Enter · Post Post #5073 (isolation #39) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:43 pm

In post 5052, MaxwellPuckett wrote:
In post 5046, Enter wrote:Is there anything else you want me to respond to, Max?
Mostly just ur read on dolittle bc i dont see a reason to townbin him

Also thanks for replying like i said earlier i think i was outta line in being upset at not being replied to immediately

No, it's cool, I understand, I have been putting you off for far too long. I just wasn't particularly worried about sorting you or others. My DDL townbin will take some time, I think, so I will have to get to this later, though. Long story short is the game gets easier if you read him as town. It makes more sense that way.

UNVOTE:

Enter · Post Post #5074 (isolation #40) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:44 pm

In post 5066, Dannflor wrote:Enter please break up your posts into smaller paragraphs thank you

Sorry.

In post 5067, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 5065, Enter wrote:Alright so I have liked some of Liger's more recent posting, actually, but I don't like his exchange w/ Eagle at beginning of day today. My read on Liger/mcqueen is a lot like this:
You are eagle though.

Yes.

Enter · Post Post #5080 (isolation #41) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:46 pm

If you think these paragraphs are big you should see the ones I wrote a few years ago.

Enter · Post Post #5081 (isolation #42) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:46 pm

In post 5075, MaxwellPuckett wrote:
In post 5044, Enter wrote:As far as people I want to know more about, talk to me about probabilities for scum between RAS/DDL/xtoxm/Liger/mcqueen

Just list the pairs that come to mind as most likely and the ones that come to mind as least likely
This is a hard exercise for me I rly dont have a good memory for who pushed who or who can be teamed

Xtoxm isnt scum and i dont think Alisaeslot is scum
The remainder is where id lynch but my pref is dolittle > mcqueen > liger

In post 5077, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 5075, MaxwellPuckett wrote:
In post 5044, Enter wrote:As far as people I want to know more about, talk to me about probabilities for scum between RAS/DDL/xtoxm/Liger/mcqueen

Just list the pairs that come to mind as most likely and the ones that come to mind as least likely
This is a hard exercise for me I rly dont have a good memory for who pushed who or who can be teamed

Xtoxm isnt scum and i dont think Alisaeslot is scum
The remainder is where id lynch but my pref is dolittle > mcqueen > liger
Hmmm....

Is there any way we can start in the middle?

Why are we starting w/ DDL?
this is a sexy lynch order and i like it

Enter · Post Post #5083 (isolation #43) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:47 pm

In post 5081, Enter wrote:
In post 5075, MaxwellPuckett wrote:
In post 5044, Enter wrote:As far as people I want to know more about, talk to me about probabilities for scum between RAS/DDL/xtoxm/Liger/mcqueen

Just list the pairs that come to mind as most likely and the ones that come to mind as least likely
This is a hard exercise for me I rly dont have a good memory for who pushed who or who can be teamed

Xtoxm isnt scum and i dont think Alisaeslot is scum
The remainder is where id lynch but my pref is dolittle > mcqueen > liger

In post 5077, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 5075, MaxwellPuckett wrote:
In post 5044, Enter wrote:As far as people I want to know more about, talk to me about probabilities for scum between RAS/DDL/xtoxm/Liger/mcqueen

Just list the pairs that come to mind as most likely and the ones that come to mind as least likely
This is a hard exercise for me I rly dont have a good memory for who pushed who or who can be teamed

Xtoxm isnt scum and i dont think Alisaeslot is scum
The remainder is where id lynch but my pref is dolittle > mcqueen > liger
Hmmm....

this is a sexy lynch order and i like it
Is there any way we can start in the middle?

Why are we starting w/ DDL?

ebwop

Enter · Post Post #5121 (isolation #44) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:58 pm

right

VOTE: mcqueen

Enter · Post Post #5125 (isolation #45) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:01 pm

I'm not lynching DDL. I think it's ok if town lynches DDL after Liger doesn't work, but it should definitely be mcqueen -> Liger -> DDL
for several reasons:
1. mcqueen is highest equity scum
2. ddl is likeliest to flip town, i think, and if we flip him, he flips town, then tonight scum kills you , me, ank, maybe rei? and then mcqueen/liger manipulate the fickle minds of town using the logic that we were wrong on ddl -> we're wrong on them and neither of them get lynched
3. ddl is least likely to win this in lylo, I think.

Enter · Post Post #5129 (isolation #46) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:02 pm

Liger I fear won't actually get pushed if me/RC aren't here to push him. His scum game mirrors mine quite closely in ways that I can get pretty deep into, but I think people are unlikely to lynch him if I'm not around for the same reason I was unlikely to be lynched in Giphy-Q or in 2059

Enter · Post Post #5131 (isolation #47) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:03 pm

agreed

Enter · Post Post #5136 (isolation #48) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:04 pm

In post 5134, DrDolittle wrote:something like this

Enter
Creature
Reiuji Utsuho
Xtoxm
RadiantCowbells
Liger_Zero
mcqueen

Vedith
Ankamius
Dannflor
Jingle

RAS
MaxwellPuckett

lulwut

Enter · Post Post #5140 (isolation #49) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:05 pm

In post 5139, Xtoxm wrote:thank you ddl.
although i disagree with you strongest scumreads, i think thats actually the closest to mine out of everyone.

WUT

Enter · Post Post #5143 (isolation #50) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:06 pm

Enter · Post Post #5145 (isolation #51) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:06 pm

Enter · Post Post #5148 (isolation #52) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:07 pm

I actually
The fact that DDL has that list of reads
and the fact that someone else also has a similar list of reads
and the fact that dannflor is responding like that list of reads is in any way acceptable or normal

Enter · Post Post #5154 (isolation #53) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:09 pm

I'm sorry are we playing some strange form of THROW NAMES INTO A BIN AND PULL 'EM OUT RANDOMLY?
Because if so, why was I not invited, and what are the odds of xtoxm drawing the same list of names that ddl drew?

Enter · Post Post #5159 (isolation #54) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:10 pm

In post 5153, Dannflor wrote:
In post 5148, Enter wrote:and the fact that dannflor is responding like that list of reads is in any way acceptable or normal
what?

Your reaction:

In post 5138, Dannflor wrote:
In post 5134, DrDolittle wrote:Vedith
Ankamius
Dannflor
Jingle
Is this null?

Enter · Post Post #5163 (isolation #55) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:10 pm

I almost wanna lynch L0 now because I'm afraid he won't get flipped tomorrow

Enter · Post Post #5167 (isolation #56) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:12 pm

In post 5161, Dannflor wrote:yes because it is inconceivable he has a null on any of those players

In post 5162, Dannflor wrote:
In post 5161, Dannflor wrote:yes because it is inconceivable he has a null on any of those players
well not any of them

but all of them at once?

I understand better.
Still. The fact that you didn't snarf the air you were breathing and then pinch yourself to make sure you weren't dreaming is surprising to me.

Enter · Post Post #5169 (isolation #57) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:12 pm

Ideally I would be alive tomorrow and after we lynch mcqueen I can push through L0 and end this.

Enter · Post Post #5171 (isolation #58) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:13 pm

In post 5170, Dannflor wrote:
In post 5169, Enter wrote:Ideally I would be alive tomorrow and after we lynch mcqueen I can push through L0 and end this.
are you not more worried DDL could get town read again?

I think if the game lynches Lylo and DDL is there, he will get lynched

Enter · Post Post #5179 (isolation #59) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:15 pm

I feel like I'm one of the few forces keeping DDL alive rn, and I fear that as soon as I'm gone, even though mcqueen flips red, Liger pushes DDL/Jingle/RAS over himself by doing the same noncommittal stuff he's been doing for the past couple days.

Enter · Post Post #5182 (isolation #60) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:15 pm

In post 5172, or wrote:Man I'm feeling really bad about Dannflor. Every body is talking about who has the highest scum equity today, while Dann is already focused on tomorrow on how to set up further lynches

Dann thinking about tomorrow is townie.

Enter · Post Post #5185 (isolation #61) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:16 pm

In post 5180, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 5169, Enter wrote:Ideally I would be alive tomorrow and after we lynch mcqueen I can push through L0 and end this.
unless the team is exactly L0 mcq, highly doubt you are doused

Alright, let's do this discussion, because it can help me sort.
What four players do you think are doused right now?

Enter · Post Post #5193 (isolation #62) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:18 pm

Stop talking about it

Enter · Post Post #5196 (isolation #63) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:20 pm

In post 5195, or wrote:
In post 5182, Enter wrote:Dann thinking about tomorrow is townie.
its townie if mcqueen flips scum imo

mcqueen is highest equity scum flip in the game
next to liger

Enter · Post Post #5202 (isolation #64) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:22 pm

In post 5199, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 5185, Enter wrote:
In post 5180, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 5169, Enter wrote:Ideally I would be alive tomorrow and after we lynch mcqueen I can push through L0 and end this.
unless the team is exactly L0 mcq, highly doubt you are doused
Alright, let's do this discussion, because it can help me sort.
What four players do you think are doused right now?
there are 3 doused rn?
if the townblock is legit, i would expect RC, ank, rei, ahead of you.
the only reason for you to be doused is if there is scum in there, or this 14p game solve you keep going on about is exactly right

Alright.
Why ank/rei ahead of me?

Enter · Post Post #5204 (isolation #65) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:23 pm

In post 5201, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 5196, Enter wrote:
In post 5195, or wrote:
In post 5182, Enter wrote:Dann thinking about tomorrow is townie.
its townie if mcqueen flips scum imo
mcqueen is highest equity scum flip in the game
next to liger
lol

meant to say next is liger

mcqueen>liger>ddl

Enter · Post Post #5206 (isolation #66) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:24 pm

In post 907, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:============
Who?
============
Lycanfire
grapes
mcqueen

context

Enter · Post Post #5209 (isolation #67) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:25 pm

In post 907, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:============
Poor saps who got left behind
============
Clemency
Gamma Emerald

============
Future point of interest
============
NerfedBuJ - seems like the hot topic other than the giant thunderstorm that's you-know-what.
PvtUrist - saw him mentioned few times

============
Who?
============
Lycanfire
grapes
mcqueen

============
To be sorted
============
Alisae - I try to put this slot on townslot, but every time I try to do so, I get this weird gut pain.
Xtoxm - Not enough info atm.
Shoshin - I think I mentioned yesterday that I don't think Shoshin vs DT isn't TvT. And I just put DT as town, so technically my vote should be heading here now. Buuuuuuut I just don't feel right to put the vote on him right now, and I have no idea why.

more context

Enter · Post Post #5210 (isolation #68) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:25 pm

In post 5207, MaxwellPuckett wrote:K im going to bed can someone who can math tell me if i should leave my vote on mcqueen or wait

leave it

Enter · Post Post #5221 (isolation #69) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:36 pm

yeah but
the content of his posts

is artificial

see me in BoP 2, me in 2059, me in giphy's game
shit, even see the post strings I did w/ mbaki

liger's game almost perfectly mirrors my scum game

Enter · Post Post #5227 (isolation #70) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:40 pm

from trying to make a splash when replacing in by responding to random posts when he replaced in to not reading the game thread all the way (8-ball, no deadlines) to maintaining an artificially high post count by doing blatantly scummy things like sheeping dann to hide the fact that that's what he's actually trying to do (giphy) to trying to get into an argument that results in both players calming down and calling it TvT (rapier/2059) to tunneling a single player at a time for most of the game while trying to maintain openness about reads (2059/giphy), Liger's scum game almost perfectly mirrors mine

Like what about the way he's interacting w/ me this game doesn't look like the way I interacted w/ mbaki in rapier to you?

Enter · Post Post #5229 (isolation #71) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:41 pm

In post 5223, Dannflor wrote:
In post 5221, Enter wrote:liger's game almost perfectly mirrors my scum game
I don't think that necessarily convicts him as scum

People play different

yeah but

there's no town motivated posting coming from that slot
there is scum motivated posting
this is one of the more survivalistic slots
he's just more sly about it

Enter · Post Post #5230 (isolation #72) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:42 pm

alright, that's fine

Enter · Post Post #5234 (isolation #73) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:44 pm

In post 5231, RadiantCowbells wrote:i'm really sad we can't bet on ddl vs l0

me too
i think it would be fun

don't worry
nsg is watching

whoever is right gets more bragging points

Enter · Post Post #5299 (isolation #74) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:49 pm

RC
I want you to note
wagon resistance
right now
please
also note
that these people are calling me scum
remember when you said you liked the days when you could tell when someone's push on you was fake, because you had no record and there was no reason for people to be paranoia scumreading you?
note that these players, mcqueen especially, haven't really played w/ me at all. he has no idea who i am. use that
watch mcqueen, and also his interactions w/ me especially end of day yesterday when i want to lynch liger to right after I vote buj
does it fascinate you that liger/mcqueen are the only two wagons with any real resistance?
if you trust me at all, at any point in this game, trust me to tell you you were right on mcqeen and on liger earlier. the problem is they're trying to distract you w/ the fact that there's v real saudade this game in xtoxm
i don't even care if you lynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong on either of them, but gimme this one shot if I get any respect at all for the games we've finished together
I'm not even asking for credit for it, I'm just asking you to not drag this out and let them give you this crap over me because you'll regret it later if you don't lynch in (mcqueen/liger) today

Enter · Post Post #5302 (isolation #75) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:56 pm

radiant
remember when you called me scum in giphy?

In post 4482, Liger_Zero wrote:This game is pretty funny.

just food for thought
also I pointed out other strange mindset changes, but watch this:

In post 4297, Liger_Zero wrote:You guys are obsessed with your townblock.

In post 4310, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 4307, Dannflor wrote:mcqueen/Liger feels like too easy of a solve.
mcqueen is probably town. What does that do for your solve?

In post 4313, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 4312, Dannflor wrote:
In post 4310, Liger_Zero wrote:mcqueen is probably town
Okay, now I get to ask: Why?
I actually don't have a reason. And you can scumread me for that if you want.

In post 4317, Liger_Zero wrote:I am contributing to stopping you three from this group think mentality you have going on which i am sure will blow up in all of your faces but this is what happened with Buj. But sure, just write me off if you want.

In post 4345, Liger_Zero wrote:I will admit mcqueen freakout on eagle seemed very overdone. But I don't want to be on this consensus that mcqueen is scum. Think its going to cause another mislynch.

In post 4347, Liger_Zero wrote:I am leaning heavily that scum are in the "townblock". Gonna be fun to have my head chewed of for that. That is a good explanation for why no ignition at least, not sure why you want to have so many people around that people see as locktown other than to rely on the paranoia that festers when you have less people you can lynch to work with.

Or maybe the locktown group is so bad that scum just don't care to kill them yet and are relying on their terrible lynches.

In post 4349, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 4348, Dannflor wrote:
In post 4345, Liger_Zero wrote:I will admit mcqueen freakout on eagle seemed very overdone. But I don't want to be on this consensus that mcqueen is scum. Think its going to cause another mislynch.
I'm guessing you think that because yesterday went poorly and you're leery of too-easy consensuses.

Who else is scum? Is Max still your only scum read?
Max is my only scumread. But I think the last scum outside of that is in the townblock but i have no clue who.
Maybe its Eagle. Kind of doubt it, but idk.

In post 4355, Liger_Zero wrote:I almost think we should lynch players that we think the scum would douse because that lessens the amount that they can potentially kill and we can potentially get a scum that was able to hide themselves very well.

I don't know if that is brilliant or moronic but it can stall out a scum win instead of potential mislynching players that scum have no interest in dousing.

In post 4357, Liger_Zero wrote:VOTE: Reiuji Utsuho

I would assume this person is doused if they aren't scum and seem the most like scum in the townblock.

In post 4548, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 4546, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:liger/mcqueen are actually playing to a scum agenda right now
That seems to be the narrative going right now, but I think you will find its just a tribal mindset that is being pushed forward by you and others.

In post 4579, Liger_Zero wrote:VOTE: McQueen

my leaders leader commands!

In post 4657, Liger_Zero wrote:UNVOTE:

the king commands

In post 4763, Liger_Zero wrote:McQueen has basically called like 6 people scum in probably the last day. He freaks out at one person calls them scum. Then rinse and repeat. I can't keep track of them all.

In post 5106, Liger_Zero wrote:VOTE: McQueen

Sheeppppp me. I have the best reads. I am god at this game.

In post 5258, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 5256, mcqueen wrote:And throughout 19X - 204 enter repeatedly posts the same shit how liger and me are scum. Like his narrative is just repeating that over and over. Hes not doing much else other than a few relatively useless interactions with others, his narrative of me/liger always returns. Its sad how little effort he’s actually putting in and getting away with it
I don't think its low effort. But it is definitely like he is a broken record.

In post 5267, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 5263, mcqueen wrote:i feel like he genuinely believes me and Liger or scum. I can’t speak for Liger, but the fact that his narrative hasn’t been swayed at ALL on me all day and I of course know he’s wrong doesn’t sit well with me
His mind isn't opened to being changed. He is in his belief system.

In post 5269, Liger_Zero wrote:I have a horrible time reading people who are on the defensive. My natural reaction is to scumread them for being so defensive. Want to see less defensive McQueen.

Enter · Post Post #5304 (isolation #76) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:59 pm

Specifically
"you guys are obsessed with your town block"
"mcqueen is probably town"
"scum are in the town block"
"eagle/rei is last scum w/ max"
"vote mcqueen"
"mcqueen has called a lot of people scum i can't even keep track anymore"
"sheep me on mcqueen"
*agrees w/ mcqueen in that I'm probably wrong on mcqueen*

Enter · Post Post #5309 (isolation #77) » Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:35 pm

Ha. Thank you, Liger, I'm legitimately grateful for the input, but I'm more than capable of appealing to town when I need to, I think the method I'm using right now gets the message across that I need to get across at this point in time.

Enter · Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:06 pm

And tbh, it's quite possible that I did just actually drop a list of quotes and my own interpretations that is helpful to literally no one but me, but I think I'd rather do that and have no one understand than use my old style
While it's flashier, I'm more of a condescending ass, telling people who to vote when and where and why and I'm more likely to end up in death tunnels that are helpful to legitimately no one. I find myself stuck in a mindset where I think I'm better than everyone else and this results in terrible play on my part. I think I've found significantly more success in proposing my thoughts as my raw interpretations w/ as little change as possible and allowing people to work it out for themselves.

Enter · Post Post #5314 (isolation #79) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:36 am

You haven't really played with me before. I did nothing in prey, I barely participated in the one day I was a part of.

Enter · Post Post #5317 (isolation #80) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:46 am

mcqueen is L-3

Ank, pls vote mcqueen

Enter · Post Post #5318 (isolation #81) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:49 am

If your name is on the list you're not voting mcqueen (afaik) and you should be.

Ankamius

RAS
Reiuji Utsuho

Jingle

or
Vedith

Xtoxm
Creature

Enter · Post Post #5339 (isolation #82) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:29 am

In post 5337, Formerfish wrote:Jingle and RC, where are we at?

ISO mcqueen and DDL and share your thoughts, please.

Enter · Post Post #5349 (isolation #83) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:36 am

In post 5343, Formerfish wrote:
In post 5339, Enter wrote:
In post 5337, Formerfish wrote:Jingle and RC, where are we at?
ISO mcqueen and DDL and share your thoughts, please.
How about you point me in more of a focused direction, they have about 400 posts between them.

Alright
Specifically look at DDL and try to establish a read on him.

Enter · Post Post #5351 (isolation #84) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:38 am

However you need to read DDL whether that's ISOing him, skimming the thread and reading only his posts, or whatever, I'd start with a read there first, and then move to others

Enter · Post Post #5365 (isolation #85) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:44 am

In post 4600, Prince of Renais wrote:PoR
EE
Ank
Reiuji
Karm

I think literally never wrong. there's some universe i guess where reiuji is wrong but i'm willing to treat it as wrong for now and if she has secret scum talents that i don't know about i'll deal with it after the game
this is earth shattering to have a wrong read, this is Postie in Plotinus's second game level unlikely

RAS
Jingle

like, very probably town. I won't cry or be shattered if either of these are scum but if they are then I lose this game and I don't think it was my fault, so that leaves

DDL
Dannflor
mcqueen
Vedith
MaxwellPuckett
Liger_zero
Xtoxm

and we can lynch 5

so my tentative withdrawal from contention is DDL maxwell as of right now

Enter · Post Post #5370 (isolation #86) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:46 am

whatever

just vote mcqueen

Enter · Post Post #5378 (isolation #87) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:48 am

look
skim the iso

or vote mcqueen

i don't care but like
...
the closest thing your'e gonna get to narrowed scope is Prince of Renais reads I quoted from earlier
I think general consensus agrees w/ them

Enter · Post Post #5380 (isolation #88) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:49 am

In post 5377, Formerfish wrote:
In post 5373, Dannflor wrote:I don't think we're looking for you to see something specific

We just need outside thoughts
You got a case for me to look at and dive into?

yes
the case is
ddl is town
the counter case is
ddl is scum

look at and dive into it

Enter · Post Post #5387 (isolation #89) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:51 am

the number of people who have actually read and reread the game thread this game up until at least page 40 in addition to isos of other players is >3
i don't think we're asking a whole lot fo ryou to skim one player's iso

Enter · Post Post #5388 (isolation #90) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:52 am

In post 5386, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:
In post 5380, Enter wrote:
In post 5377, Formerfish wrote:
In post 5373, Dannflor wrote:I don't think we're looking for you to see something specific

We just need outside thoughts
You got a case for me to look at and dive into?
yes
the case is
ddl is town
the counter case is
ddl is scum

look at and dive into it
Stop killing people's mpotivation

i'm not killing his motivation
he replaced into a large game
and doesn't want to skim a single iso
idrc but if he's not gonna try at least just vote w/ consensus

Enter · Post Post #5391 (isolation #91) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:53 am

In post 5385, Formerfish wrote:
In post 5378, Enter wrote:look
skim the iso

or vote mcqueen

i don't care but like
...
the closest thing your'e gonna get to narrowed scope is Prince of Renais reads I quoted from earlier
I think general consensus agrees w/ them
Why are you being so resistant to someone asking for what should be a simple give? I replaced into a large game, asked what to look at. You give me 2 names and nothing else. If you made a case already you would know that and would be able to quickly and easily quote yourself to help me get a foothold here.

Don't want to do that? Cool. Next.

i haven't seen

a whole lot of casing this game
because despite the replacements
when asked to read
a single player's iso
most people
have been able to do it

if you can't skim 400 posts
just sheep rc/me
and move on w/ your life

Enter · Post Post #5392 (isolation #92) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:53 am

In post 5390, Formerfish wrote:I want to know the motivation of sending me in that direction while be evasive to what I am asking of you.

in what way am I being evasive at all?

Enter · Post Post #5398 (isolation #93) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:55 am

In post 5394, Formerfish wrote:Well why didnt you say RC was voting him?

Whats the vote count at?

He's at L-2 rn

Enter · Post Post #5405 (isolation #94) » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:59 am

In post 5404, Creature wrote:I'm inclined to trust Liger_Zero unless someone shows me Liger_Zero is able to powerwolf that much.

Say again in english, please

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:00 am

In post 5402, Dannflor wrote:UNVOTE:

leaving for a few hours and won't be able to watch the thread

want more time to question mcqueen and potentially get him to spew buddies

fish getting updated is good too ofc

I'll place it back tonight probably

really
what buddies is he going to spew after you say this
can we pls just lynch and be done?

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:02 am

In post 5402, Dannflor wrote:UNVOTE:

leaving for a few hours and won't be able to watch the thread

want more time to question mcqueen and potentially get him to spew buddies

fish getting updated is good too ofc

I'll place it back tonight probably

You need to talk about this when you get back.
This was a really bad post.

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:08 am

The longer a player maintains a wagon on them
the less likely it is to result in a lynch
"I don't think waiting a few more hours is the most awful thing in the world" is how one innocent townie gives scum more time to paranoia their way out of a lynch
Do you know how many games I've seen town get lynched even though scum were wagoned all day because the wagon dropped out of paranoia because someone wanted to wait just a little longer?
mcqueen has posted a lot. Nothing he's posted recently indicates that any future posts will be of any particular help
posts like yours make it harder to find scum trying to paranoia other people out of the wagon

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:09 am

Your post is anti-town, dannflor
but it's made to look like it comes from a townie mindset
I think I'm willing to forgive it for now because I'm overall town reading you, and I believe you could just make a mistake like the one you did

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:11 am

thank you
mcqueen is l-2

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:15 am

In post 5423, Creature wrote:
In post 5318, Enter wrote:If your name is on the list you're not voting mcqueen (afaik) and you should be.

Ankamius

RAS
Reiuji Utsuho

Jingle

or
Vedith

Xtoxm
Creature
I don't want to end the day rn.

if you are not interested in ending day w/in the next 12 hours
please explain why/why not

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:26 am

Here's my gamestate assessment
We've got a wagon on scum, but did not quickly achieve a lynch.
Liger is aware of the fact that we have not yet achieved the lynch and thinks there is glimmer of hope -> unvotes to build paranoia
Wagon paranoia is increasing
RC doesn't want to end day because while he thinks mcqueen is >85% scum, he doesn't wanna risk the 15% on his record, and him declaring wagon as final means he's taking liability for the wagon
This could easily lead to wagon dissolving over time due to development of a "what if he's town" read on mcqueen
Which could (and might) lead to the mcqueen wagon dissolving
The whole thing about wagon resistance (even if there's only one or two scum in the game) is that if scum is on teh wagon, they will be trying to build paranoia/unvote/etc if the wagon is on scum, resulting in wagon falling apart
if the wagon is on town, they will be pushing for wagon to end day
if scum isn't on the wagon, that's one player that's ahrder to convince if the wagon is on scum
and easier to convince if the wagon is on town
For this reason it is much easier to lynch town than scum - if mcqueen was town, scum would have pushed for his lynchsensed that people are ok w/ ending day right now and hammered

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:27 am

In post 5437, Creature wrote:This game has the potential to be another Civilization mafia.

Is it too hard to hit 15k posts before game ends?

I'm at 850+ rn

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:31 am

In post 5453, Creature wrote:
In post 5448, RadiantCowbells wrote:mcqueen or rito

mcqueen or rammus tp revive mid
Stop speaking gibberish.

he's making lol or hots references
to say we should lynch mcqueen
rn

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:44 am

oh man you really showed me
my bad
my scum read on you must ahve been totally wrong

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:47 am

oh good
you had me scared i was wrong for a bit

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:24 am

In case I'm dead tomorrow, I think Liger is cleared as town based on his end of day behavior if mcqueen flips town
but if mcqueen flips scum I would definitely just straight lynch liger tomorrow

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:32 am

FTR mcqueen flips 85% scum
esp on that last post
wtf lol

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:32 am

In post 5495, mcqueen wrote:
In post 5374, Formerfish wrote:
In post 5370, Enter wrote:whatever

just vote mcqueen
Whats your case?
it's a bad one and please don't make him repeat it again. he's been saying the same shit for days now

bad
and untrue

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:36 am

In post 5501, Creature wrote:
In post 5497, Enter wrote:mcqueen flips 85% scum
I wouldn't be so optimistic.

not optimism
he hasn't done anything townie
stop tone reading him

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:39 am

In post 5507, mcqueen wrote:It's hilarious how exactly what I said yesterday - that town was too indecisive - is currently haunting you now. You're so desperate on my lynch but as a block you can't pull through with it. And when I flip, everyone will see how bad your scumread on me is, and I'll have a blast in the dead thread.

nice
keep your blast to the dead thread, and quit dropping your shit in this one, then, please

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:39 pm

In post 5546, mcqueen wrote:Its literally creature and RC

You're not even trying very hard to hide your flip, are you?

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:40 pm

Stop scum posting then

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:06 pm

In post 5553, mcqueen wrote:Enter, I don’t hate you and honestly I hope you know that this was (mostly) all within the game and not any kind of hatred towards you, but goodness your incorrect tunnel on me was annoying as I’ve said.

mcqueen i don't hate you and i honestly hope that this is partially in the game
but your play is actually bad
like terribly bad if you're town here
and I didn't tunnel you, bro
I pushed you at the beginning of the day, went off and did other things
and then I pushed you at the end
there are other people that thought you were really really scummy
if you flip town here, i think you should seriously re-examine your mindset when approaching a game

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:14 pm

I hate this phase
I especially hate the emotional drama that happens every Twilight regardless of what you're flipping
Like seriously? What purpose does this achieve?
I don't even doubt you're gonna flip scum

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:27 pm

In post 5560, Dannflor wrote:lol i keep running through theories of why scum doesn't wanna let us know we were right yet strategically

but maybe

we were just wrong

and mcqueen doesn't strike me as the type of guy to troll that hard

People do this to me
every time
regardless of whether or not I'm right
It's part of playing until the end of day
so like, I get it. You play 'til the ref blows the whistle
It's just frustrating to deal with

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:59 pm

mcqueen is scum. His response to being wagoned is not only anti-town, it's pro-scum - let me explain.

Most pushes include three parties - the accuser, the defendant, and the impartial third. The accuser believes a member of town is mafia, and pushes their lynch. The defendant is that party and any one who believes that party is town, and thus defends their lynch. The impartial third is the group of players who aren't particularly convinced one way or another.

The accuser wants, as town, to not force the lynch through if the lynch is on town. Their goal is to push the defendant until a reasonable doubt can be presented as evidence that the defendant is town. The mark of an accuser who is scum is the player who does not fully know, explain, or care for their case and wants the lynch more than they want the alignment of the player.

The defendant wants, as town, to be recognized as town, and thus maintains the duty of presenting evidence of their towniness. This should be done by providing counter-points to the accuser's points, addressing arguments where possible, while simultaneously pushing elsewhere, providing reads, and accumulating information for associatives. The mark of a defendent who is scum is a player who does not respond to the accuser's case, who squirms placing the defendant's survival over all else while simultaneously withholding reads and reasoning (the latter is important, a list of names means barely nothing when you're being pushed) and a player who sits there and allows the wagon to grow. This is because scum can rely on two things - the fact that town want to be correct in their lynch on town and the paranoia of such a town to disassemble the wagon over time as long as it is ignored, and the ability of their scum partner to push this paranoia over the edge until another player is lynched. A scum player does not want to respond to the accuser's points and does not want to try to provide evidence as to their towniness, because that keeps the attention on them, and the more words spoken as a mafia player, the more likely you are to be found out, especially when the spot light is on you. A wagon that disassembles as the player addresses the points made against them is often a wagon on town (because the player can maintain the town-oriented mindset for the entirety of the time the spotlight is on them and it will be easier to refute points made against them due to the fact that they are town) and a wagon that disassembles as the player ignores the wagon is often a wagon on scum (because the scum does not want to respond to that wagon, the more they do, the more likely they are to slip and when they are lynched, the more associatives will be revealed).

The impartial third party wants, as town, to recognize who is town and who is scum in the exchange, and thus maintains the duty of fact checking and verifying any evidence provided both ways. Response without reason is the mark of scum responding here, jumping opportunistically, etc.

mcqueen did not really respond to his wagon with reason. He did not try to disassemble it, he sat and let it fall apart. There was no attempt to better town, only a few moments of rage (that TBH felt a bit fake to me, but I won't worry about that right now because it's not part of the overarching idea of this post) and then silence. There was no attempt to prove his towniness, no attempt to scum hunt in any other direction, no attempt to help clear things up in the obviously clouded minds of his accusers. He sat and hid, hoping the wagon would fall apart and knowing that if it did there would be no associatives coming from his slot because he did not respond to it at all.

I made this post not because I was particularly scared mcqueen is town, but on the rare chance that he is, I'd really like to see town improve. I've seen a lot of town do anti-town things in response to being wagoned - especially responding with large amounts of AtE (which doesn't build up town in any way, only makes people feel bad), and even sometimes seen people do pro-scum things in response to being wagoned (the first newbie I replaced into when coming back to site was like this). I think a generally better mindset as to how you should respond to being pushed when being wagoned will make these games a bit easier on everyone and maybe we'll get a little bit less outrage at being pushed and a little more sensible responses.

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:59 pm

If you think my push on you was a tunnel, you haven't seen a tunnel yet.

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:00 pm

This is like the third time I've seen the whole "this player tunneled me" when all I saw was a push with no response. You can't let someone push you and then call it a tunnel just because you don't like it.

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:00 pm

I actually facepalmed when I saw that.

Do you know what a tunnel is? Like... think about it for a brief second, please.

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:01 pm

Ugh. Buzzword mafia. I don't like it so I'm going to call it a word with a negative connotation regardless of the relevance.

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:10 pm

In post 5583, Dannflor wrote:Enter I do think he's just town

What makes you say that?

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:10 pm

Did I not just make a giant post on this?

"I'm town" is about as helpful as chunking a brick through my window.

Enter · Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:15 pm

Actually.
I guarantee he's not.
I think the reason he's pushing this discussion is to make it seem like I don't have as much of a handle on my reads as I do right now, the attempts to discredit me as a player instead of discrediting the push against him are scum-aligned. Him pushing a list of reads to make it look like he's town right now is NAI - if he really had these thoughts, where were they before the hammer?

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:49 am

liger is locktown, max

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:50 am

ank why are you not interested in this game?

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:54 am

Liger doesn't play end of day yesterday like he did as scum

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:03 am

Liger was a theory that only flipped scum if mcqueen flipped scum. I could see a lot of reasons Liger flipping town yesterday, but I also saw a lot of reasons he flipped town, and I feared that if mcqueen was scum then I would die and I didn't want Liger getting away w/ the game w/o me getting the chance to read him more closely. That's the best explanation I can come up w/ rn, I might be able to say something better later.

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:04 am

In post 5652, Liger_Zero wrote:Pretty certain at this point now that if there is scum in the townblock its Enter. I can't envision it anyone else unless there are 2 scum in it. In which case rip.

lol

Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 5652, Liger_Zero wrote:Pretty certain at this point now that if there is scum in the townblock its Enter. I can't envision it anyone else unless there are 2 scum in it. In which case rip.
Screw it, just gonna say Enter is town. Just because he has a weird flip on me doesn't make him scum. Everything else outweighs that.

lol

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:07 am

I didn't flip on you.

I could see you as both town and scum yesterday. Scum just made more sense, and I have recently had better performance in mafia games where I profess to believe all the way in one direction or all the way in the other and don't display any doubt one way or another.

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:07 am

I'm working on something, I'll get back to you later.
I can definitely see or/jingle, though.

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:08 am

Formerfish and xtoxm also need to be looked at seriously

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:13 am

In post 5662, Ankamius wrote:
In post 5641, Enter wrote:ank why are you not interested in this game?
same reason as yesterday, enter

I can't handle a second anuket

Ok.
Just talk to me, then? I won't make you take responsibility for any of your reads.

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:53 am

L0 and Jingle are both town

Quit fighting you're putting me to sleep

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:54 am

Sorry, Liger. Forgot you didn't wanna be called L0

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:01 am

Let's sort in RAS/or today, then

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:02 am

In post 5758, RadiantCowbells wrote:Enter do you still think Ank is locktown

No.

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:05 am

In post 5761, Jingle wrote:
In post 5757, Enter wrote:Let's sort in RAS/or today, then
RAS still town.

Oh look, I'm already voting or.

You need another suspect, then.

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:06 am

Oh. Max is who I was thinking of

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:16 am

In post 5766, Jingle wrote:
In post 5764, Enter wrote:Oh. Max is who I was thinking of
Someone said something about talking to dead people, and I'm not in a hurry to lynch the kid from 6th sense. Counterargument?

"If I make it to lylo we lose"

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:20 am

In post 5768, RadiantCowbells wrote:There's too many fucking players

This.

I'm throwing names at a wall. You'll notice I'm not voting anyone.

X has said things I like and things I don't like same for max

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:22 am

Shoshin fucked me pretty hard with that self vote dammit

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:15 pm

prodge

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:15 pm

i don't care about this game

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:15 pm

like actually just lynch me cuz i don't care about this game

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:15 pm

the entire town block is scum

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:16 pm

5792-5795 is xtoxm posting

well done
nice addition to town
thx for ur effort

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:17 pm

In post 5798, Xtoxm wrote:VOTE: enter

tyvm
for ur contribution

lol

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:18 pm

you seem to have put as much thought into it
as i put into whether or not i should have gone to sleep last night

i'll give you a hint - considering i passed out w/ my clothes on and on the floor, i didn't think about it at all

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:33 pm

In post 5801, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 4995, RadiantCowbells wrote:i will respect your blacklist from here on out but i'd appreciate if you played this game, regardless of either of our alignments.
except ive been playing properly since this post
having different reads to consensus doesnt mean im not trying
everyone shat on my reads in sc1 but they were pretty on point and their stupid townblock had 2 scum in it
you have a lot of scum equity
you spent the last 3 days tunneling town and casing mcqueen after he was hammered is lamist crap

where is my scum equity
what do i have scum equity in
when did i tunnel anyone w/ the exception of shoshin
how is casing a player after they're flipped lamist

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:34 pm

actually
since u seem to be using "tunnel" to mean "push" because you wanna stretch this shit for negative connotation
please define "tunnel" so we can end this shit right here and now
and then right after that use the correct terminology, please

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:35 pm

also, when you think about why you might htink about this being a good lynch
consider why we lynched grapes
also
please tell me what about anything that i've done is pushing a scum agenda

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:35 pm

because "i haven't read the game thread but enter seems to be leading town and the last couple lynches have been on town" isn't gonna fucking cut it

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:37 pm

also
having good reads isn't worth shit if you don't know why you had those reads
if u knew why your reads were good in sc1, sure
but then why are you using sc1 to back up why your reads are good here
you should just use the same shit
but if your reads are regularly bad
and one game they turn out p ok or even good
that's just monkeys on a typewriter
it's gonna happen more often cuz these gmaes have a lot fewer players than there are letters in a shakespeare play

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:39 pm

In post 5806, Ankamius wrote:Enter chill please

Alright.

I'll be back later.

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:56 pm

Cool you answered the part I cared about least in a manner that fails to disprove my point

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:57 pm

I take that back I don't even care about that point I don't need you to explain why your reads have been good

I need you to actually say how on earth you think I have been pushing a scum agenda in any way shape or form

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:59 pm

My point is you don't care about this game. You've put nothing into it. Your scum read on me is only a "if enter is scum I get credit for scum reading him early and if enter is town no harm done anyways " read and it's annoying because there are people who are legitimately trying to solve and you're sitting around doing fuck all except trying to get ego credits

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:00 pm

Like put at least enough effort in to let people townread you and get out of the poe

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:01 pm

In post 5816, Dannflor wrote:Enter, where are you standing on Alisae/RAS/Formerfish?

Ugh

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:01 pm

55% town

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:03 pm

In post 5821, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 5801, Xtoxm wrote:you spent the last 3 days tunneling town and casing mcqueen after he was hammered is lamist crap
literally answered that in the same post youre complaining about

No, you didn't.

Because I didn't spend the last three days tunneling town.

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:04 pm

I'm mad about that post because it shows you have no clue what a "tunnel" is and you also have no clue what my stances have been on each of these players, you're just skimming and hoping for the best

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:06 pm

This is why I'm asking you to actually go in and describe how the fuck you think my play comes from scum at all

And a light skim isn't gonna do that shit justice

Whatever. I can respond more on why this is some of the most moronic shit I've seen in a while but I left my computer cuz ank asked me to chill out. So I'll be back later.

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:07 pm

for real this time

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:07 pm

Also you don't know why lamist make someone scum either like wtf lol

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:25 pm

Naw, fuck it.
Let's do this.
I was gonna say this to just mcqueen after the game, but I'm all fired up now and I can't sleep because of it so I'm getting this off my chest.

There are two parts to finding scum - 1. Your reads, and everyone else's read on you
I don't give a shit if your reads are fuck all and make no sense whatsoever - there are plenty of people this game who have gone "hmm, these other players are putting in the time and effort, i'll just sheep them and they will carry me to victory"
but you forget the second part
You see, I'm not the only person who's been kinda fucking lost the past couple days trying to figure out what's going on. And considering the respect I ahve for RC/jingle/dannflor/ank/rei, you'd think we'd have SOMETHING figured out by now
but you can't just go into a game w/ rc and trust that he will know every scum from the get go
if everyone else plays like scum the whole game, he's going to be wrong
which brings me here:
If you're going to expect everyone else to carry you through this game while all you do is dodge prods, you'd better be able to at least make yourself look towny enough to get out of the PoE. Because that's what's killing town
part of it is that i could be better at reading people
part of it is that rc could be better at reading people
part of it is that we could be more communicative and put more in
but do you see the fucking disparity here?
you're expecting the people who are already working p hard to put more into the game
and you're confused why we are wrong when half the player base posts maybe enough to dodge a prod
so quit expecting people to carry you through a game and then turning on them when you put close to nothing in yourself

why the fuck do you even play mafia?
seriously
why?
what's the point?

tl:dr I'm not fucking perfect you can't expect perfect play from me if you put in bare minimum effort don't be confused if I think you're doing something for a different reason than you actually are
Just put the fucking effort in to prove you're town

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:26 pm

so quit pushing me as scum for your bottom of the barrel play
quit pushing rc as scum for your bottom of the barrel play
you cannot blame other players for your inability to fucking try

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:27 pm

i was hoping i'd feel better after that and i don't

:/

i should have just gone and stayed gone
srry ank

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:32 pm

Whatever. McQueen was my fault

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:38 pm

The poe is completely different right now than it was on day 2 and it changes drastically between players and between days

This just proves you haven't read anything about the game

And if you're in the PoE get out of it
Quit with your defeatist attitude it's bullshit you have at least some semblance of control over whether or not you're in the poe

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:51 pm

In post 5835, Xtoxm wrote:i thought he was out of his scumrange in anuket
i was wrong
maybe he is this time
but im not going to give him a pass just because he's put 900 posts on the board
he deserves blowback for being on 3 mislynches in a row, and projected overconfidence in his mcq/liger solve
your link tells me he doesnt enjoy playing scum, and has a low opinion of his own scum game. my experiences with him tell me he is good at playing it in spite of this.

My play in amulet wasn't good. People were just distracted.

I also didn't lead the push on anyone's lynch because that's a skill I don't have.

If you're trying to give me credit for three mislynches in a row, I want you to justify the argument that I deserve credit for that. You haven't read anything. You're not playing mafia. You're paranoia reading me and I'm telling you not to do it, because it's detrimental to town and it's stupid. You look like an idiot when you do it. If you said to me that you were scum reading me and then used any sort of proof that you had read the game, or even used reasons against me that showed you were actually in the slightest bit aware of my play this game I wouldn't be pissed. But you're not. You don't have reasons for your scumread of me past the fact that we've lynched town three times in a row in a mountainous game, and I wasn't even the figurehead for all of those lynches. It is this kind of braindead play that shows you refuse to even try in the slightest that I want to start policy lynching.

Tell me why I would flip on Liger like I did
Tell me why I would reread the thread and push both Buj and Dannflor for reads on each of them individually
Tell me why I would pushback on McQueen when he was trying to get me to lynch buj
Tell me why I would lynch buj
Tell me why I wouldn't be pushing for the town block to break up
Tell me why I didn't push for shoshins lynch on day 1
Tell me why I felt capable of making a decision on mcqueen/liger and pushed that
Tell me why I've interacted with and pushed every player in this game and have been actively sorting

Why am I making life so fucking hell for myself as scum? What of these attitudes did you see in anuket also? Was it the fact that I sheeped urap on NMSA no questions asked? Or was it the fact that at no point in the game did I have a solid reads list with good reasons for it? Wait, I know, it's the fact that when the NMSA wagon dropped, I stopped posting for two days because I had no clue how to make a push as scum and I didn't know how to get off the NMSA wagon without making it blatantly obvious I had no clue why I was on it in the first place? Or are you spotting similarities between how little I lead town and took responsibility for lynches in Anuket and I refuse to do the same here?

Shut up. You're spewing stupidity and it's making you look bad.

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:53 pm

Oh also explain why I lynched buj this game (a lynch I didn't believe in) and how that's similar to the way I hard defended Brigitte and refused to lynch her at all (the lynch I didn't believe in).

And then tell me why we lynched grapes this game and how on earth that spews associatives with me

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:55 pm

There are basically no similarities between Anuket and this game, but you don't want to read, you don't want to play, you just wanna show up and be right.

Well if you want credit for your reads come and take it. Case me. I'd really like to see your case. I've played sacrificially this game and made a bunch of plays that look relatively surface level scummy, I think, because it pushed town forward in a positive way, but I expect you to not even catch those posts because I don't think you've actually read any of my posts.

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:56 pm

You refuse to case me because there is no substance to a case against me past the fact that you want town points for being the guy who called out somebody for being scum

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:57 pm

Let's make this very clear. I'm not mad that you think I'm scum.

I'm mad that you've put nothing into the game and have no basis behind calling me scum.

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:08 pm

In post 5850, Jingle wrote:Has anyone read an Enter post in the last two dayphases? My eyes just keep glossing over every time I try.

I've read a few of them but some of the longer ones I haven't. Why do you ask?

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:15 pm

In post 5852, Jingle wrote:Just trying to find out if I missed something important. Other than that your reasoning for an MP lynch is pretty bleh.

Who is MP and why is my reasoning bleh?
Also what does that mean?

Enter · Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:17 pm

In post 5854, Jingle wrote:
In post 5767, Enter wrote:
In post 5766, Jingle wrote:
In post 5764, Enter wrote:Oh. Max is who I was thinking of
Someone said something about talking to dead people, and I'm not in a hurry to lynch the kid from 6th sense. Counterargument?
"If I make it to lylo we lose"
Context.

Oh.
Yeah there's a reason I don't have a vote on him rn
I'm not convinced he's town, I'm not convinced he's scum. I could see it going either way
tbh I was throwing a name at a wall there and I'm fighting p much every urge in my body to not just give up and let someone else do everything today

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:53 am

VOTE: or

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:25 am

UNVOTE:
Reads are leagues more helpful than whatever that AtE was

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:14 am

Fair. You're right. Not AtE

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:17 am

I got paranoid but I was wrong Alyssa is very much lock town

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:26 am

Ank is locktown

Jingle is very high probability town.
90%

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Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:28 am

Ank
Liger
Are locktown

Then in order from town to less town
RC at 95% (there's no point in lynching this, tbh)
Jingle at 90
Dann, creature, and rei at 80

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:30 am

Creature look at Liger end of day yesterday and his reaction to mcqueen wagon

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:31 am

Also we aren't discussing RC scum

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:31 am

In post 5978, Creature wrote:
In post 323, DoubtingThomas wrote:shoshin, if you think policy lynching is stupid, then how about... hmm..

NOT FUCKING DOING ANTI TOWN ACTIONS THAT WARRANT A POLICY LYNCH to begin with?

yeah, i think that's a good idea.

stop fucking blaming others for your own mistake.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself

In post 325, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 321, Shoshin wrote:Policy lynching is a shitty crutch for people who don't know how to distinguish town from scum. It also prevents creative plays & makes games completely unfun.
creative plays?

tell me what about

"This is boring"

"*Self vote*"

was fucking creative

what the fuck in the world did you get out of doing that? What did you accomplish? How did that make the game more fun?

In post 326, DoubtingThomas wrote:CREATIVE PLAYS INCOMINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS
VOTE: DOUBTINGTHOMAS

This could easily be faked

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:32 am

In post 5981, Creature wrote:
In post 5977, Enter wrote:Creature look at Liger end of day yesterday and his reaction to mcqueen wagon
I arguably have a reason to townread everybody, but I know it's wrong.

OK. The reason to townread Liger is a legitimate one, the others have a possibility of being wrong

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:33 am

In post 5982, Enter wrote:This could easily be faked

You probably would have town read my interactions with Nimueh in 2059, too, right?

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:37 am

In post 5988, Creature wrote:
In post 5987, Enter wrote:
In post 5982, Enter wrote:This could easily be faked
You probably would have town read my interactions with Nimueh in 2059, too, right?
Maybe

Alright. He got mad about something, used his rage to look a little bit townie and replaced out. Sound familiar?

And before people come after me, I didn't fake my rage w/ nim.

In post 5989, Creature wrote:Succinct deteriorated all the towncred you had that game though.

That's not the point

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:37 am

This doesn't look like jingle in 8-ball

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:38 am

Not a meta read or anything just making an observation

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:12 am

Xtoxm is being town read for same reasons as or

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:28 am

Annnnnnnnnnnd some things start making sense that didn't before. Cool

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:28 am

In post 6045, Ankamius wrote:you can be my SO

You have an SO.

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:29 am

In post 6050, Ankamius wrote:
In post 6048, Enter wrote:
In post 6045, Ankamius wrote:you can be my SO
You have an SO.
:V

:\/

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:29 am

In post 6051, Dannflor wrote:I'll be everyone's SO

Denied.

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:30 am

In post 6054, Ankamius wrote:
In post 6052, Enter wrote:
In post 6050, Ankamius wrote:
In post 6048, Enter wrote:
In post 6045, Ankamius wrote:you can be my SO
You have an SO.
:V
:\/
:
V

:

\/

Enter · Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:31 am

In post 6056, Dannflor wrote:
In post 6053, Enter wrote:
In post 6051, Dannflor wrote:I'll be everyone's SO
Denied.

You gotta love yourself before you love anyone else, bro