Non-Reviewed Game [game over]

[Elsa Jay]

Well that leaves DT left then because I still don't want Ofrhz shot. At the very least we know she is a Rolestopper and we're locking her on Dunn tonight.

[Elsa Jay]

Like, can we not try to gamesolve?

Explain why the heck this is a townie mindset. Because last I checked, solving the game is what we're supposed to do.

[Elsa Jay]

Well frankly I think we've talked mostly about everything important. Ved is shooting Chen, if Chen is actually a vigi I guess shoot Maria, and Ank is shooting DT or Ofrhz, with my preference of Ofr living.

Unless we got something elsa to talk about, I'll revote Enigma soon so we can move on.

[Elsa Jay]

Well so far they've been open and they were on me last night. I don't see a scum case besides the claim. More null then anything.

When Enigma flips scum, Wisdom, would you still recommend shooting Ofrhz or will his flip make someone more suspicious.

[Elsa Jay]

Yeah the "modified" hider said so, and Rolestopper goes before Hider so it's like the only thing that could stop him.

[Elsa Jay]

Well if Fusco lied he would be in deep crap, wouldn't he? It's a weird claim to make now. And Rolestopper stops ALL roles, and Hiders rarely can get stopped.

Otherwise that'd require that I'm the one lying on me not getting a notification or whatever from him. And I know that ain't true.

[Elsa Jay]

Okay so I know I was targeted by the role blork last night. I targeted Chennisden so I got a result on him but I asked and I can't say it's accurate but I want him to claim his target anyway and afterwards I'll out who the result says.
No I will NOT claim my full role.

Wait, Gamma did something to Chen as well. Somethings up there.

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: chennis

What the actual hell.

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: Chen

[Elsa Jay]

It takes 7 to lynch with 13 alive. With you're own vote you are now at L-1.

[Elsa Jay]

light if youre here what did you send me
i didnt get anything

this explains everything.

... So you're saying you roleblocked them or something then?

[Elsa Jay]

And more confusing... That means Chen lied again about a fruit?

[Elsa Jay]

Then where's that Vigi Shot? Or did you're role magically turn it into a fruit?

[Elsa Jay]

And if scum killed ausuka and blocked light... Do i need to repeat what that means about claimed watchers and rolestoppers

To be fair the "Watcher" already admitted to lying while evidence atleast says Ofr is true. But yeah, agree to disagree.

[Elsa Jay]

Post as much of your role that you can legally explain, Chen. What the heck are you.

[Elsa Jay]

why not vig me in night instead?

Because youll block it

10 points to Gryffindor

[Elsa Jay]

God damnit I didn't want a hammer so soon still but it happened while I was asleep. Should have unvoted during the night. Sigh.

Ank, you just shoot whoever with today's events in hand. Ved is already shooting Enigma.

Fusco I dunno what you're doing tonight but listen: Ofr is rolestopping Dunn as we suggested and I seem like a better shot to scum now, so hide on me at your own risk or hide elsawhere. I recommend the latter since they'll kill 2 for the price of 1 if they attack me, a confirmed townie anyway.

Gamma or if someone replaces into that slot, I want a lot of answers from them and want them to explain what they actually saw.

[Elsa Jay]

Do you have a reason for that over Dunn?

[Elsa Jay]

Voting yourself and taking all the attention away from Enigma wasn't the smartest move as town. Now he can do something scummy during the night and use any night actions left to fuck town over.

[Elsa Jay]

... Um. Why do you think I only have X-Shot? Neither confirming or denying it but I wanna know.

[Elsa Jay]

... Well Dunn's already said what's needed so I could stay home. I still don't see much point though.

[Elsa Jay]

Wait, the heck is Chen doing back here and why is Wisdom gone?

Was it a force ability from Chen?

Why the HECK did you replace Wisdom of all people.

[Elsa Jay]

btw

I'm a n1 vig + n3 vig-inventor-thing

Elsa you should claim whether you have an ability use tonight because I can turn it into a vig shot

I stayed home because you said too and at this point a friendly neighbor isn't as useful since I'm already an IC with how I'm outted, but yeah. I still got charges.

I'll basically draw the NK tonight then if that's the case.

[Elsa Jay]

Wait. It takes affect tonight, right?

[Elsa Jay]

Got ya.

[Elsa Jay]

I did indeed. Why do ya ask?

[Elsa Jay]

somebody gots some splainin to do about being a rolestoppeer.

There is a rolestopper. Light was rolestopped.

Really? Because I remember it being me rolestopped yesterday (n1), and whatever was with Chen's role stopping Light's gift beforehand.

Pedit: How would a rolestopper be on you Chen if you got a gift last night?

[Elsa Jay]

what was all of light's actions so far?

From memory he tried and failed to give Wisdom a vigi shot but Appearantly Chen converted it into a fruit? And then he gave Wisdom/Chen a motorbike which does... Something.

So both times they tried to give Wisdom a gift.

[Elsa Jay]

I did indeed. Why do ya ask?

Is is sketchy or not, cuz I cant read it. I softed where I was going.

... I don't understand your point here. Are you asking that me that me receiving something is sketchy?

[Elsa Jay]

I dunno. It's a fruit, not even specified. What do you want from me?

[Elsa Jay]

Then how do you explain both the vig shot disappearing AND Ofr being on me n1? She couldn't be in 2 places at once.

The rolestop wasn't on Wisdom or Light, so that doesn't explain that.

[Elsa Jay]

So was YOUR abilitiy a roleblock? And what was with that fruit thing you claimed?

Sidenote: another big "fuck you" to Enigma for claiming Doctor... After fake claiming watcher. Seriously man?

[Elsa Jay]

He claimed Watcher first then claimed Doctor when he was a Shield or something. That's not our fault.

[Elsa Jay]

That was Ofrhz.

[Elsa Jay]

Hardclaiming because I don't trust ankamius not to kill me tonight

I'm town inventor, I have a list of roles I can give out. I'm effectively six shot because I can only give out each shot once

They are vig, neighborizer, tracker, bodyguard, commuter, fruit vendor

Those are his 6 shots.

[Elsa Jay]

He said he got rid of the vigi yesterday and whichever a "Motorbike" qualifies as.

[Elsa Jay]

I got a fruit last night, assumedly from "Modified Hider" Fusco. Light gained a fruit n1 from Chen? Damnit I gotta reread again.

[Elsa Jay]

He claimed Watcher first then claimed Doctor when he was a Shield or something. That's not our fault.

Dude. Shield was basically a limited-shot Doctor.

I woulda been less skeptical if he said "Shield" tho. That's not a common thing.

[Elsa Jay]

"You (me) received fruit" is the exact wording.

[Elsa Jay]

Considering you, Wis-Chen, and Gamma are the only ones without even a hint to your roles... That ain't good DT.

Pedit: Then why are we lynching the one Unlynchable claim slot instead of leaving it to the Vigilante(s)?

[Elsa Jay]

d5 lynchproof is your entire role?

It wasn't only unlynchable on day 5. It was Unlynchable with the condition they die n4 if no Mafia was lynched. Which Dave/Enter was.

Pedit: LET ME POST

[Elsa Jay]

light:

give me the bodyguard tonight

elsa and vedith should be targeting the same slot

Explain.

or i am town with a really good role

Or a really good scum role. Roleblocker, perhaps?

[Elsa Jay]

elsa, are you a JOAT? how did your confirmation on anka work again

My confirmation? Who are you confusing me for? I confirmed Ank to myself as a vigi with the kill on Starwing. I'm still just a FN.

[Elsa Jay]

rolestopper should be on an undisclosed target between me and Elsa

BOTH of us need our abilities to go through for the vig to work and it's much easier to counter if the rolestop target is public

If she's on me the shot wouldn't even work though. And if she's on you you dont get the Bodyguard.

Not even mentioning the fact Fusco being a hider may mean he wouldn't even get a gift?

[Elsa Jay]

Then I have nothing elsa to say to you this day.

Ftfy

Seriously though there still doesn't feel like an ounce of town cohesion here.

[Elsa Jay]

Considering I'm dying Ank please tell me you'll at least take scum vedith into consideration given how awful this all is.

Then explain how he's a still a vigilante still shooting people while it seems scum are killing elsawhere.

I don't understand your POV here Maria.

[Elsa Jay]

hmmmmm then I may have been

... A HIDER can't be roleblocked.

VOTE: Fusco

I gave you a pass because Rolestop seems to stop Hiders. But that's a rediculous claim.

[Elsa Jay]

I feel Fusco is the correct choice. A real Hider can't even be roleblocked besides by maybe a Rolestopper. It has priority.

[Elsa Jay]

THEN WHY CLAIM HIDER IN THE FIRST PLACE.

We've already had Enigma fuck shit up. Fake claiming hurts town a bunch man.

[Elsa Jay]

Elsa, Ive been very clear that I targetted you both nights. You say you havent gotten anything. correct?

Nothing besides the fruit last night. The point?

[Elsa Jay]

Im not fruit vendor. and i tried to be discrete about it, but if youre going to pull my card. Im a cop. I dont know what I send people, only that they get info.

I was hoping to get some goddamn confirmation about what I do, but its clear I havent.

Then who elsa did you even target. I know Ofr was on me turn 1 so what even happened night 2.

[Elsa Jay]

What's with people not even knowing what they are.

[Elsa Jay]

I'll wait for Xyzzy and hopefully a replacement for Gamma.

If only you took Gamma's slot Chen... This woulda be so much easier.

[Elsa Jay]

This frankly seems like we all took a break to gather our thoughts but nobody elsa continued the conversation.

[Elsa Jay]

I'm starting to think it's Lovers tbh, with how much they're defending each other.

[Elsa Jay]

Because of how he did it and how his story isn't making sense if he targetted both me and you Maria. Do you really not see the holes in his claim?

[Elsa Jay]

... But we have 2 conf towns. If we lose that's on us.

[Elsa Jay]

You sure are making that hard to believe, DT.

[Elsa Jay]

Preferably all of them.

[Elsa Jay]

Maria is at L-1.... This is just unreal to me.

[Elsa Jay]

I'm listening Maria.

[Elsa Jay]

.... He is literally mod confirmed town Maria.

VOTE: Maria

Even I'm not that dumb to fall for that,

[Elsa Jay]

chennisden replaces Wisdom.
chennisden is confirmed to be aligned with the Town.

[Elsa Jay]

Even a bastard game would have a hard time justifying a Mod confirming someone is town to be a lie.

[Elsa Jay]

There is no universe where I go after another mod-confirmed town.

[Elsa Jay]

... But you claimed lynchproof.

[Elsa Jay]

IF YOUR TOWN WHY LIE NOW. THE FUCK MARIA.

What even are you.

Pedit: ... So you were going to literally make all the vigilantes shoot you and waste their shots.

[Elsa Jay]

its town by role alone, plus maria

we can't lynch that

... Do you realize Light was the hammer vote, Fusco? That she's dead now?

[Elsa Jay]

I also can communicate privately with Vedith/DT.

Vigs please be off of them.

How does a neighborhood confirm they're town.

[Elsa Jay]

How were we supposed to react to Maria going after a mod confirmed town then Fusco?

[Elsa Jay]

I voted to kill scum, if that's what you mean.

[Elsa Jay]

Hey Brass. Fancy seeing you here.

[Elsa Jay]

And for reference: My shot didn't go through on who I shot.

[Elsa Jay]

Yeah that's why I know my shot didn't go through.

1 wrong move and we're done for. It's 4v3.

[Elsa Jay]

I guarantee that DT and Vedith are town. This isn't through a long chain of reasoning or whatnot; they are simply confirmed town

So Chen + me + DT + ?

This is confusing as heck.

[Elsa Jay]

Umm. The fuck?

[Elsa Jay]

I dunno why you thought going after the friendly neighbor was a good idea but okay.

VOTE: Brass

I tried to shoot Fusco last night but nothing happened. I'm guessing Ofrhz rolestopped me and Brass is trying to cover for Fusco

I don't think scum bus in LyLo so Ofrhz/Brass/Fusco.

[Elsa Jay]

Stupid and desperate are interchangeable sometimes.

[Elsa Jay]

So the explanation in your head of me being scum is... And I quote... "Dunn was mistaken on what a FN is".

[Elsa Jay]

UNVOTE:

Everyone's a critic.

[Elsa Jay]

Where is everybody.

[Elsa Jay]

Semi prod dodge, semi confirming I'm paying attention here and saying I'd vote Ofr but I dunno if she'd self hammer or not and I want to hear from everyone.

[Elsa Jay]

... No action.

You're kidding.

[Elsa Jay]

... I really can't believe you're forgetting about the friendly neighbor that Dunn even confirmed.

[Elsa Jay]

Will also hammer as soon as Chen checks in, by the way.

[Elsa Jay]

Hammer.

You're wish is my command.

VOTE: Ofhrz

[Elsa Jay]

RAS, do me a solid and look up FRIENDLY Neighbor.

[Elsa Jay]

We added brass to the hood last night.

You fucking added me last night and you know it.

[Elsa Jay]

Wait, then was the PM announcement a general thing? I guess... Announcing was in the role card.

[Elsa Jay]

Vote someone now now?

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: Light

[Elsa Jay]

I convinced him I was a weak Neighborizor instead and told him to say I was a Friendly Neighbor to avoid suspicion and to let me "do my job". Didn't think their was a real neighborizer cop around.

Still crap we get punished for mislynching Chen and getting an IC for our troubles. Wisdom could probably have been convinced of it being ascum neighborizer. If it really was forced and Wisdom had no control over it then what could I do?

Didn't help Ofr and Dave/Enter went brick mode so it was 2v13.

[Elsa Jay]

I was to busy letting Ved and Ank murder everyone for us, since town was imploding fine enough on their own until DT got replaced. But That's when I realized we left the entire rest of the cops alive. So... That wasn't fun.

And we were worried since we had Light give the commute to Wisdom's slot. We didn't want to waste a kill. If Wis had stayed Light could've also rode his claim with me to victory.

[Elsa Jay]

What was the specifics of Chen's original role and was Wisdom force replaced?

[Elsa Jay]

Again, I had to deal with the fact Chen had the Commute 1-Shot.

[Elsa Jay]

Wait... So Wis got kicked out because of miscommunication.

Sigh.

[Elsa Jay]

To be fair on Dunn, I gave him full rights to call me out if he thought it was best but he agreed that me keeping my "weak neighborizer" a secret was for the best. And if I was town it would've been perfect.

[Elsa Jay]

Depending on how the game goes, I'm considering nominating Elsa for a scummy for it. Talking a townie into falsely claiming a Friendly Neighbour result on you, and subsequently into believing something that's been modconfirmed false, surely counts as a particularly big piece of cunning manipulation.

damn elsa is brilliant

Elsa pretty much deserves a scummie for this, assuming (as expected) that he carries the scumteam.

Deciding to talk a townie into faking an inno on you is one of the bravest scum moves I've ever seen, having it actually

work

is amazing.

yeah that should singlehandedly win scum the game

that's really impressive

....

So close. So dang close.

[Elsa Jay]

If you had replaced the Gamma slot (which seemed likely tbh) instead this would've been completely different.

[Elsa Jay]

Mod-Forced for Wisdom's case. Nearly mine too, because I remember seeing that PM being marked as "edited" like 2 minutes before I clicked it. If i had clicked earlier and posted that information quickly into the Mafia Thread, it would've been game over since I dunno what Xyzzy would've done at that point. Mod-kill me and the Mafia?

[Elsa Jay]

Oh it was fun, no doubt, but the Mod giving me hope with giving Brass the Tracker result then goings "Oops yeah sorry Elsa is scum" and nearly getting Mod Replaced myself made it feel like I didn't have as much control over the game as i could've.