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I’ll be Conf, by the way, this was my first post.
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Me.In post 228, NanceFloor wrote:Which of you voted Overki11 then and why haven’t you given any reasons?
This. Also RVS.In post 230, Clemency wrote:effort is for nerds
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Lol, little OkaPoka.In post 209, OkaPoka wrote:Conf bias what is your experience with mafia? Both heads-
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In post 220, BrightEyedFish wrote:VOTE: chennisden
I don't have any experience with chennisden and I don't want to jump on okas wagon, so I'm placing my vote there.
Feel free to sheep me unless you have reason to believe scum put the 8ball there. If so let us know.
You and Chennis probably will get along well as a hydra, but then you’d probably get rung up so hard as town.-
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@Taly - Clemency’s kind of like that, but I like him around. You can generally tell his alignment in the mid game. I think he’s specifically a Day 1 mislynch bait kind of player based on his style/attitude.
Whereas Chennis is mislynch bait because he’s easy to push and defends himself correctly, but in a way you still want to push him. Does that make sense?
Regardless, I don’t think Clemency has done anything scummy as of yet. Most things I’ve seen I expect to come more from town Clem.
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Can't answer some of the questions for Conf, but:In post 270, Taly wrote:1) Why are you focusing on the 8ball? We didn't speedvote 8ball so we can try to figure out who was likely voted for it. That's pretty much the opposite intention here.
2) How did you come to the conclusion on who is more lynchbaity than not? Playstyle? Meta? I don't know either head of your hydra, so I assume you don't have adequate amount of familiarity with me or other players to deduce this about me.
And if you did, that makes me question your motivations even more.
3) How can you say {Me/mbaki/RadiantCowbells/etc.} will NEVER be 8-Ball?
What if we were scum who 8-balled ourselves and were baiting our lynch?
What if we were scum who 8-balled someone else because we didn't plan to get lynched?
What if we were town who got 8-balled BECAUSE we were "not lynchbaity, therefore a safe lynch"?
What if we were town who didn't get 8-balled, BUT we are a good "this person is playing like X and Y on playstyle, so we can lynch/townbloc them!"
Town can't strategize on this basis, and scum can ONLY strategize based off CONTROLLING how people will get lynched via looking at their "lynchbait equity"... Which isn't too helpful pre-8ball-vote, since we didn't start the game with "I think this person is town or scum!"
4) You're saying people who are lynchbaity can likely be 8ball and this is true, but you're making radical assumptions about people's alignments and motives before even interacting with the game. This is extremely agenda-based play and no town player can evaluate a "readslist" like this and find clarity on how to solve for who is town or scum.
This post is just WIFOM and if you were in the original startup of this game and knew why people voted 8ball then that makes this worse.
2. Bad assumption, you not knowing our identities doesn't imply we can't be familiar with your style. And yes, obviously one would come to a conclusion of whether a player is "lynchbaity" based on playstyle and prior propensity towards getting lynched.
3. If a player's not lynchable D1, it would be stupid for scum to pick that player as 8-ball; therefore they never will be. If they do turn out to be 8-ball, that's good for town. Scum 8-balling themselves and baiting their lynch is a terrible move for scum, especially if it's a scum player who carries their team. I agree that town can't strategize on this basis necessarily, we'll just have to be more careful sorting scummy town vs scum; there's no point speculating over the 8-ball.
4. Quote the "radical assumptions" and "motives"? I haven't really interacted with my partner about the list yet but it looks pretty obvious it's a list of "who's likely to be 8-ball as town"? Also, "RC won't be the 8-ball" is a conclusion that follows regardless of whether RC is town or scum. It doesn't require any "radical assumption" about anyone's alignment.
Yes, the post is a bit WIFOMy. You've spent a lot of words saying this, but I don't see the scum motivation for posting a "likely 8-ball" list?
(If "You're stirring up WIFOM to mess with reads" is your argument, that's a poor reason)
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Neutral.In post 316, RadiantCowbells wrote:i think that you guys are scum. how do you feel about that?
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I’d think you’d be scummier if you didn’t.In post 316, RadiantCowbells wrote:i think that you guys are scum. how do you feel about that?
Secret hydra’ing is hard.
I can’t team up with Clemency like I want to.
I haven’t given this game enough attention, and when I do give it attention, it’s only for a short time out of the day.
I Apple uh Jeyes.
I’ll start doing more for your majesty.
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I’m in a secret hydra.In post 359, Clemency wrote:
i forget who you areIn post 357, Confirmation Bias wrote:
I’d think you’d be scummier if you didn’t.In post 316, RadiantCowbells wrote:i think that you guys are scum. how do you feel about that?
Secret hydra’ing is hard.
I can’t team up with Clemency like I want to.
I haven’t given this game enough attention, and when I do give it attention, it’s only for a short time out of the day.
I Apple uh Jeyes.
I’ll start doing more for your majesty.
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I’m sorry I weirded you out. I changed it so I can flirt with Clemency for you.In post 328, NanceFloor wrote:
+1In post 308, RadiantCowbells wrote:Conf can you change avatars pls ty
Yeah, it’s kind of weirding me out, I keep having to remind myself, my account wasn’t hacked.-
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Also, Taly, I hard disagree that making the 8-ball analysis table was pointless or scum indicative. Looks like that’s just a playstyle difference you’re reading.
I by all means wanted to think about it, but I don’t expect to follow that and go for not the 8 ball. That’s part of the game, and whoever the scum did pickdoes matter, we just shouldn’t necessarily analyze too deep into it because it’s a distraction.
You all just got hung up on that part, which was annoying. If anything, I made the post for my thoughts, and to show you all where I was thinking about that. It’s good to have there. But we lynch for scum.
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My other head’s staying secret, but fuck it, I’m Flavor.In post 433, Confirmation Bias wrote:It’s hard to defend myself here while I’m a secret alt. But I’m town, and people going after me make sense to come after town me-
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Oh, I should do a triple hydra with my 3 accounts and play as each one.In post 437, OkaPoka wrote:is boonskies the other head
Nah, this is just Flavor here.
I had to put because I think Ankamius is town, and it’s my playstyle that sets him off.-
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Eh, it was my partner’s idea. They’ll stay hidden.In post 445, Creature wrote:Love when secret alts show up to be useless.-
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How so?In post 444, Taly wrote:I don't think I have good meta on either of your heads even if I knew the other one.@Confbias
Do you have any scumreads right now? Shitty bland question, but you're mostly voicing townreads and it seems counterproductive with the gamestate.
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ughnancyif youre going to scumread everyone who suspects you this game then that just makes it much, much harder to solve you.
It’s Day 1.
You can check my recent town games, I almost exclusively town hunt rather than scum hunt early game. Occasionally something comes up, and I’ll push something, but when I do, I generally get the lynch to go through.
I mislynch/lynch scum Day 1 pretty evenly. I’m a late game town hyper carry, early game play by me is just me trying to get fed early, so I can carry later.
I can show you some games of mine that show I’m more of a town hunter. I think even townie moves are scummy later on, so I just mark them, and put all my thoughts out there, even if they’re little and seemingly unimportant. Let’s me know my thoughts later in the game.-
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1: You act like I pay attention to playerlists.In post 450, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Confirmation Bias
I very openly, multiple times, told Flavor Leaf that I didn't want to play with them again. They completely ruin games for me. I'm not allowed to request that they replace out but I'd like to request that we policy lynch them right now.
2: I had zero effort put into signups for this game.
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Look up my scum game’s then, Taly. That is absolutely not ScumMe.
That’s why I outed Myself, so i can help you guys read me, because I know there was some difficulties in it. I don’t have really major scum reads right now.
My other head thinks you’re scummy, Taly, but that just might be because they think it’s weird you’re coming after us, which I don’t. From what I remember of you, it makes sense that you as a player would come after my playstyle.
I’m here now, willing to help you guys read me.-
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In post 462, Taly wrote:
my vote is on them lulIn post 459, RadiantCowbells wrote:taly if you're my friend you'll vote flavor leaf.
but other than the tunnel, why was your vote on them in the first place?
RC is just gonna push a PL because he doesn’t know how to read me and I’m someone who can out town leader him. I’m probably just gonna ignore him this game until he actually comes at me, but then I’ll just wall him. It happens a lot, and if he’s Town like I think he is, he’ll come at me harder in about 2-10 pages.-
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I’m actually lean scum’ing on the Baezu hydra a bit. I didn’t want to bring it up because if I kept talking to people I had recently played with, for reasons that I played with them with, it’d have outed me. There was just too much I needed to say, and being secret was having me forced to not say anything, so i understand why Taly felt weird and the inability to read my slot prior.In post 467, mbaki wrote:
Which means she has not posted, which means she has not done anything to warrant removing herself from the lynch pool. Dumb question.In post 422, NanceFloor wrote:
Why tf is Shoshin even on your list? She is probably having internet problems. Are you freaking kidding me?In post 403, mbaki wrote:Code: Select all
OkaPoka Time Devil (TemporalLich + Baezu) Shoshin Confirmation Bias (??? + ???) NanceFloor (Nancy Drew 39 + Dannflor) Creature*** chennisden Chemist1422 0verki11
We are lynching on this list today. No, not being here does not necessarily mean a town read. If you vote off this list I will be irritated.
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My partner’s much more solid with taking it game by game than I am.-
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Don’t bring up past games with us this game unless you’re pushing the inability to read.In post 469, RadiantCowbells wrote:
you tactically replaced out like a bitch because you couldn't get me mislynched and completely ruined a newbie game for everyoneIn post 468, Confirmation Bias wrote:I’m someone who can out town leader him.
off of me supposedly 'setting you up as a mislynch' when i repeatedly, repeatedly said that I wasn't scumreading you and had told you to unvote yourself
You replaced out first, not me. And I got lynched before replaced, so that wasn’t even a thing really.
That ruined newbie game was on you. You were just mad I pushed you as scum.
Now you know what it feels like when you scum read me every game, huh?-
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I can confirm that as well, but it’s not like I go out of my way to play with him.
I’m not going to stay out of games I want to play. I play a lot of games around here, and I’ll actively play with anyone.
And like I said, I didn’t even know the playerlist here. I did absolutely nothing for the setup of this hydra.
And, like here, and every game I play with RC, I actively choose to try and play the game until he eventually comes after me :shrug:
He gets mad at me when I’m scum, because I’ll troll him when i’m Scum because it doesn’t matter to me if he scum reads me, and he gets mad at me when I’m town because I have a natural charisma about me and can also town lead.-
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Then just ignore it, and play the game like you normally would.In post 485, NanceFloor wrote:
I don’t want to be in the middle of this. I don’t want a repeat of DnD mafia. I’m friends with both you guys. I woulds rather not play then to be put in the middle of this shitstorm. :/In post 456, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Nancefloor vote confirmation bias with me.In post 450, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Confirmation Bias
I very openly, multiple times, told Flavor Leaf that I didn't want to play with them again. They completely ruin games for me. I'm not allowed to request that they replace out but I'd like to request that we policy lynch them right now.-
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You know, our feud started and I blacklisted him originally, like 4 years ago.
But then I grew up and stopped caring, and he asked me nicely if he could join games with me, and I generally like RC.
I literally feel like he just does this because he can’t stand getting 1-up’d by me, and I don’t know why. It’s not a bad thing. It happens, and players should always be trying to better themselves.-
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I don’t know.In post 498, RadiantCowbells wrote:i'm objectively better than you as both alignments.
You’ve misread me so many times where I’ve solved the game, I can’t objectively say that you are.
We just play different.
Talking game specifics
I personally feel I’m the stronger late game town player, you’re the stronger early game town player.
You’re stronger mechanically, I’m far superior socially.
You are better with the playstyle that the general mass tends to play, I agree, but I don’t necessarily think that’s the correct way to play. I believe there are many different correct ways, but this site tends to focus on their being just one, and I think there’s just much more to Mafia than that.
Let’s focus on the game. We’re both town.-
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I thought it would be easier for people to read me.In post 499, Ankamius wrote:flavor why did you out
I mean, in theory, I could push the by outing myself RC was expected to come after me which is anti win con, but I didn’t even really think about it or it being an issue with him.-
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What do you mean?In post 504, Ankamius wrote:
then what exactly is thisIn post 440, Confirmation Bias wrote:
Oh, I should do a triple hydra with my 3 accounts and play as each one.In post 437, OkaPoka wrote:is boonskies the other head
Nah, this is just Flavor here.
I had to put because I think Ankamius is town, and it’s my playstyle that sets him off.
I already said I outed because you were scum reading me, and I realized all the things I had to say doesn’t work if I’m not coming from my perspective. Not in those words.
My playstyle, you scum read. I get it.
Me outing let’s you read my slot differently, and from a position where you can see the difficulties I was having.-
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I town hunt. You’re a player that I think, as town, is good to follow and work with.
I rely on that kind of thing when I’m town. I also wanted Clemency to know who I was so he’d see why I town read him. I enjoy Clemency a lot, and I understand his style. Even though he’s trolly and jokey, he still likes to play the game. He still wants to solve if he can, and I appreciated the last time him and I paired up a lot, and I was getting town vibes from him.
With you, I know the type of player you are, and my playstyle is different, but with the knowledge of me, you a traitor least know that it being off isn’t scum indicative. It’s just neutral. And I could tell that the general consensus was that I was being not easy to read, so I decided to come in and actually play the game.
I felt like I was just sitting on the outside because I was hidden.-
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My partner was leaning this as well. I don’t really remember Over very much off the top of my head. Can you give me a bullet points of why you’re scum reading there?
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I mean, I get along with everyone. Even RC until he starts going aggro on me, and even then I just respond, so I would say yes to that.In post 515, NanceFloor wrote:@RC, @FL
Can you guys work this out or not, because I really don’t need the drama. :/-
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In post 187, 0verki11 wrote:Clem is probably town
Dont like Oka
ive really only skimmed though and ill bother to fully read later today when theres more posts.In post 189, 0verki11 wrote:ToneIn post 296, 0verki11 wrote:
Chennisden is probably town for 293 and 294.In post 293, chennisden wrote:also idc if 8ball is scum, we lynch scum
These are all their posts.
I don’t know if I actually think it’s scummy or not, but I see your point.
I could see it as town who isn’t invested in the game and is taking it at face value, and trying to make some analysis without actually being here in the game.-
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You can tell by the way we interact I’m not the issue. He feels the needs to constantly state he’s superior, I do not. He feels the need to constantly say I go out of my way for him, I do not.
I think he just can’t handle someone else being a town leader type in a game with him, mixed in with we have drastically different mafia philosophies, and I even state that I think he’s a strong player. I’ll just point out what I think he needs to work on when I see him falling into his weaknesses. And he gets hung up on things more than I do.
I’m a pretty chill person, if you haven’t noticed.
Sure, I’ll get a little worked up sometimes, but I separate games from each other. If I had a bad experience with a person in one game, I’m not going to hold over to the next game.
I initially black listed RC because he would tunnel me relentlessly without reason every single time and made the game unplayable for me. And those were just all Town/Town games with us. I was a more aggro 4 years ago, though. We were good for a bit.
I just poked at him a lot when I was scum, and it made him blow a gasket.-
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I mean, I’ve learned from that. I think it’s obvious.In post 524, Fuscosco wrote:can we plz play mafia?
RC i know he's a big ole comungus, but you canbolay w/the hydra right?its not worth breaking the game over
I’m nowhere near the player I used to be, Fusc, and I think Musicals showed that. I’m a pretty giving and friendly guy who sticks up for the newbies and doesn’t spout out elitism.
I’m bringing this up so people can see the type of player I am so they can get into my mind and see I’m town.
I believe I did this in Musicals as well, to an extent, no?
I actually believe us just conversing like this IS playing Mafia. This stuff matters, but maybe not at first.-
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