Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

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VOTE: 8-ball

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VOTE: 0verki11

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I’ll give some attention to this game tonight.

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I’ll give some attention to this game tonight.

I’ll be Conf, by the way, this was my first post.

Bias voted for 8-Ball.

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Which of you voted Overki11 then and why haven’t you given any reasons?

Me.

effort is for nerds

This. Also RVS.

-Bias

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Townreading Clemency.

-Bias

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I forgot yesterday was a holiday in my area, so I got held up.

~Conf

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same

~Conf

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Conf bias what is your experience with mafia? Both heads

Lol, little OkaPoka.

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VOTE: chennisden

I don't have any experience with chennisden and I don't want to jump on okas wagon, so I'm placing my vote there.

Feel free to sheep me unless you have reason to believe scum put the 8ball there. If so let us know.

You and Chennis probably will get along well as a hydra, but then you’d probably get rung up so hard as town.

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@Taly - Clemency’s kind of like that, but I like him around. You can generally tell his alignment in the mid game. I think he’s specifically a Day 1 mislynch bait kind of player based on his style/attitude.

Whereas Chennis is mislynch bait because he’s easy to push and defends himself correctly, but in a way you still want to push him. Does that make sense?

Regardless, I don’t think Clemency has done anything scummy as of yet. Most things I’ve seen I expect to come more from town Clem.

~Conf

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8-Ball Thoughts

RadiantCowbells - Never 8-Ball
mbaki - Never 8-Ball
OkaPoka - Possible, but I believe that they would be overlooked.
Time Devil (TemporalLich + Baezu) - Could be, but similar to OkaPoka, but a little less.
Shoshin - Hasn’t even picked up yet, this is never 8-Ball
Vedith - Never 8-Ball
Creature - Hmm, could go either way, but I don’t think this is ever 8-Ball.
Taly - Never 8-Ball
Confirmation Bias (??? + ???) - I guess we could be 8-Ball. Kind of odd to comment on this.
Clemency - If familiar, High chance of being 8-ball
NanceFloor (Nancy Drew 39 + Dannflor) - Medium-low chance at being 8-Ball.
Chennisden - If town, and scum are familiar with the playlist, highest chance at being 8-Ball, but for that reason, might not be 8-Ball.
Chemist1422 - eh.
0verkill - eh
BrightEyedFish - same as Clemency.
Shadowlesscloud - Replacement coming in is too risky. Not 8-Ball.
Fuscosco - High chance at being 8-Ball.

Conf

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None of that was based on this game, and it’s like proven that it shouldn’t be, which is why Shadow has much more of a chance than a Shoshin.

~Conf

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Cuz i didn’t feel like doing anything else atm.

~Conf

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Cool cool cool cool.

No doubt no doubt no doubt.

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Fusc and Clemency are both town.

Clemency is my strongest town read.

~Conf

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1) Why are you focusing on the 8ball? We didn't speedvote 8ball so we can try to figure out who was likely voted for it. That's pretty much the opposite intention here.

2) How did you come to the conclusion on who is more lynchbaity than not? Playstyle? Meta? I don't know either head of your hydra, so I assume you don't have adequate amount of familiarity with me or other players to deduce this about me.

And if you did, that makes me question your motivations even more.

3) How can you say {Me/mbaki/RadiantCowbells/etc.} will NEVER be 8-Ball?

What if we were scum who 8-balled ourselves and were baiting our lynch?
What if we were scum who 8-balled someone else because we didn't plan to get lynched?
What if we were town who got 8-balled BECAUSE we were "not lynchbaity, therefore a safe lynch"?
What if we were town who didn't get 8-balled, BUT we are a good "this person is playing like X and Y on playstyle, so we can lynch/townbloc them!"

Town can't strategize on this basis, and scum can ONLY strategize based off CONTROLLING how people will get lynched via looking at their "lynchbait equity"... Which isn't too helpful pre-8ball-vote, since we didn't start the game with "I think this person is town or scum!"

4) You're saying people who are lynchbaity can likely be 8ball and this is true, but you're making radical assumptions about people's alignments and motives before even interacting with the game. This is extremely agenda-based play and no town player can evaluate a "readslist" like this and find clarity on how to solve for who is town or scum.

This post is just WIFOM and if you were in the original startup of this game and knew why people voted 8ball then that makes this worse.

Can't answer some of the questions for Conf, but:
2. Bad assumption, you not knowing our identities doesn't imply we can't be familiar with your style. And yes, obviously one would come to a conclusion of whether a player is "lynchbaity" based on playstyle and prior propensity towards getting lynched.
3. If a player's not lynchable D1, it would be stupid for scum to pick that player as 8-ball; therefore they never will be. If they do turn out to be 8-ball, that's good for town. Scum 8-balling themselves and baiting their lynch is a terrible move for scum, especially if it's a scum player who carries their team. I agree that town can't strategize on this basis necessarily, we'll just have to be more careful sorting scummy town vs scum; there's no point speculating over the 8-ball.
4. Quote the "radical assumptions" and "motives"? I haven't really interacted with my partner about the list yet but it looks pretty obvious it's a list of "who's likely to be 8-ball as town"? Also, "RC won't be the 8-ball" is a conclusion that follows regardless of whether RC is town or scum. It doesn't require any "radical assumption" about anyone's alignment.

Yes, the post is a bit WIFOMy. You've spent a lot of words saying this, but I don't see the scum motivation for posting a "likely 8-ball" list?
(If "You're stirring up WIFOM to mess with reads" is your argument, that's a poor reason)

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i think that you guys are scum. how do you feel about that?

Neutral.

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Chen's town, and I'm unhappy with my 0verki11 vote since we share those townreads.

Can we have a VC?

VOTE: OkaPoka

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i think that you guys are scum. how do you feel about that?

I’d think you’d be scummier if you didn’t.

Secret hydra’ing is hard.

I can’t team up with Clemency like I want to.

I haven’t given this game enough attention, and when I do give it attention, it’s only for a short time out of the day.

I Apple uh Jeyes.

I’ll start doing more for your majesty.

~Conf

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Taly, you aren’t getting tunnel vision, I’m just being bad town.

~Conf

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i think that you guys are scum. how do you feel about that?

I’d think you’d be scummier if you didn’t.

Secret hydra’ing is hard.

I can’t team up with Clemency like I want to.

I haven’t given this game enough attention, and when I do give it attention, it’s only for a short time out of the day.

I Apple uh Jeyes.

I’ll start doing more for your majesty.

~Conf

i forget who you are

I’m in a secret hydra.

~Conf

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Conf can you change avatars pls ty

+1

Yeah, it’s kind of weirding me out, I keep having to remind myself, my account wasn’t hacked.

I’m sorry I weirded you out. I changed it so I can flirt with Clemency for you.

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I should have separated those. Grammar! I’m not doing that for you, I changed avatars for you, I’m sure you knew that was meant, but that was definitely not what was written. Oh, isn’t grammar exciting!

~Conf

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Also, Taly, I hard disagree that making the 8-ball analysis table was pointless or scum indicative. Looks like that’s just a playstyle difference you’re reading.

I by all means wanted to think about it, but I don’t expect to follow that and go for not the 8 ball. That’s part of the game, and whoever the scum did pick

does matter

, we just shouldn’t necessarily analyze too deep into it because it’s a distraction.

You all just got hung up on that part, which was annoying. If anything, I made the post for my thoughts, and to show you all where I was thinking about that. It’s good to have there. But we lynch for scum.

~Conf

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Of course you can’t understand the Clemency read.

What Clemency and I share go beyond any words that could define.

~Conf

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It’s hard to defend myself here while I’m a secret alt. But I’m town, and people going after me make sense to come after town me

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It’s hard to defend myself here while I’m a secret alt. But I’m town, and people going after me make sense to come after town me

My other head’s staying secret, but fuck it, I’m Flavor.

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@Taly - I didn’t read your post much until afterwards. You and my other head were the ones going at it, not side stepping.

~Conf

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is boonskies the other head

Oh, I should do a triple hydra with my 3 accounts and play as each one.

Nah, this is just Flavor here.

I had to put because I think Ankamius is town, and it’s my playstyle that sets him off.

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I am soul reading Clemency, and I need to be able to interact directly with Nancy.

My mind melds don’t work when I’m hidden.

Also, I’m gonna trust Fuscosco. Their gut is fire after Musicals just ended.

~Conf

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RC voting me while I was hidden makes me lean town there.

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Love when secret alts show up to be useless.

Eh, it was my partner’s idea. They’ll stay hidden.

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I don't think I have good meta on either of your heads even if I knew the other one.

@Confbias

Do you have any scumreads right now? Shitty bland question, but you're mostly voicing townreads and it seems counterproductive with the gamestate.

p-edit

ugh

nancy

if youre going to scumread everyone who suspects you this game then that just makes it much, much harder to solve you.

How so?

It’s Day 1.

You can check my recent town games, I almost exclusively town hunt rather than scum hunt early game. Occasionally something comes up, and I’ll push something, but when I do, I generally get the lynch to go through.

I mislynch/lynch scum Day 1 pretty evenly. I’m a late game town hyper carry, early game play by me is just me trying to get fed early, so I can carry later.

I can show you some games of mine that show I’m more of a town hunter. I think even townie moves are scummy later on, so I just mark them, and put all my thoughts out there, even if they’re little and seemingly unimportant. Let’s me know my thoughts later in the game.

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VOTE: Confirmation Bias

I very openly, multiple times, told Flavor Leaf that I didn't want to play with them again. They completely ruin games for me. I'm not allowed to request that they replace out but I'd like to request that we policy lynch them right now.

1: You act like I pay attention to playerlists.

2: I had zero effort put into signups for this game.

3: No. Get over it, and just play the damn game.

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And I play in nearly every one of Bullet’s games.

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Look up my scum game’s then, Taly. That is absolutely not ScumMe.

That’s why I outed Myself, so i can help you guys read me, because I know there was some difficulties in it. I don’t have really major scum reads right now.

My other head thinks you’re scummy, Taly, but that just might be because they think it’s weird you’re coming after us, which I don’t. From what I remember of you, it makes sense that you as a player would come after my playstyle.

I’m here now, willing to help you guys read me.

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taly if you're my friend you'll vote flavor leaf.

my vote is on them lul

but other than the tunnel, why was your vote on them in the first place?

RC is just gonna push a PL because he doesn’t know how to read me and I’m someone who can out town leader him. I’m probably just gonna ignore him this game until he actually comes at me, but then I’ll just wall him. It happens a lot, and if he’s Town like I think he is, he’ll come at me harder in about 2-10 pages.

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Code: Select all

OkaPoka
Time Devil (TemporalLich + Baezu)
Shoshin
Confirmation Bias (??? + ???)
NanceFloor (Nancy Drew 39 + Dannflor)
Creature***
chennisden
Chemist1422
0verki11

We are lynching on this list today. No, not being here does not necessarily mean a town read. If you vote off this list I will be irritated.

Why tf is Shoshin even on your list? She is probably having internet problems. Are you freaking kidding me?

~ND

Which means she has not posted, which means she has not done anything to warrant removing herself from the lynch pool. Dumb question.

I’m actually lean scum’ing on the Baezu hydra a bit. I didn’t want to bring it up because if I kept talking to people I had recently played with, for reasons that I played with them with, it’d have outed me. There was just too much I needed to say, and being secret was having me forced to not say anything, so i understand why Taly felt weird and the inability to read my slot prior.

My partner’s much more solid with taking it game by game than I am.

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I’m someone who can out town leader him.

you tactically replaced out like a bitch because you couldn't get me mislynched and completely ruined a newbie game for everyone
off of me supposedly 'setting you up as a mislynch' when i repeatedly, repeatedly said that I wasn't scumreading you and had told you to unvote yourself

Don’t bring up past games with us this game unless you’re pushing the inability to read.

You replaced out first, not me. And I got lynched before replaced, so that wasn’t even a thing really.

That ruined newbie game was on you. You were just mad I pushed you as scum.

Now you know what it feels like when you scum read me every game, huh?

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RC, I don’t pay attention to you in sign ups, and I’m not the one who signed up for this game. My partner was. I literally didn’t even know this game started until after 8-ball was hammered.

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I can confirm that as well, but it’s not like I go out of my way to play with him.

I’m not going to stay out of games I want to play. I play a lot of games around here, and I’ll actively play with anyone.

And like I said, I didn’t even know the playerlist here. I did absolutely nothing for the setup of this hydra.

And, like here, and every game I play with RC, I actively choose to try and play the game until he eventually comes after me :shrug:

He gets mad at me when I’m scum, because I’ll troll him when i’m Scum because it doesn’t matter to me if he scum reads me, and he gets mad at me when I’m town because I have a natural charisma about me and can also town lead.

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VOTE: Confirmation Bias

I very openly, multiple times, told Flavor Leaf that I didn't want to play with them again. They completely ruin games for me. I'm not allowed to request that they replace out but I'd like to request that we policy lynch them right now.

Nancefloor vote confirmation bias with me.

I don’t want to be in the middle of this. I don’t want a repeat of DnD mafia. I’m friends with both you guys. I woulds rather not play then to be put in the middle of this shitstorm. :/

Then just ignore it, and play the game like you normally would.

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You know, our feud started and I blacklisted him originally, like 4 years ago.

But then I grew up and stopped caring, and he asked me nicely if he could join games with me, and I generally like RC.

I literally feel like he just does this because he can’t stand getting 1-up’d by me, and I don’t know why. It’s not a bad thing. It happens, and players should always be trying to better themselves.

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i'm objectively better than you as both alignments.

I don’t know.

You’ve misread me so many times where I’ve solved the game, I can’t objectively say that you are.

We just play different.

Talking game specifics

I personally feel I’m the stronger late game town player, you’re the stronger early game town player.
You’re stronger mechanically, I’m far superior socially.

You are better with the playstyle that the general mass tends to play, I agree, but I don’t necessarily think that’s the correct way to play. I believe there are many different correct ways, but this site tends to focus on their being just one, and I think there’s just much more to Mafia than that.

Let’s focus on the game. We’re both town.

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flavor why did you out

I thought it would be easier for people to read me.

I mean, in theory, I could push the by outing myself RC was expected to come after me which is anti win con, but I didn’t even really think about it or it being an issue with him.

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is boonskies the other head

Oh, I should do a triple hydra with my 3 accounts and play as each one.

Nah, this is just Flavor here.

I had to put because I think Ankamius is town, and it’s my playstyle that sets him off.

then what exactly is this

What do you mean?

I already said I outed because you were scum reading me, and I realized all the things I had to say doesn’t work if I’m not coming from my perspective. Not in those words.

My playstyle, you scum read. I get it.

Me outing let’s you read my slot differently, and from a position where you can see the difficulties I was having.

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That was like..a straw that broke a camel’s back.

I’d just rather not have to act like I don’t know anyone here, and let people know that it’s me.

I’m not trying a new playstyle here. That’s what my different accounts are for.

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I town hunt. You’re a player that I think, as town, is good to follow and work with.

I rely on that kind of thing when I’m town. I also wanted Clemency to know who I was so he’d see why I town read him. I enjoy Clemency a lot, and I understand his style. Even though he’s trolly and jokey, he still likes to play the game. He still wants to solve if he can, and I appreciated the last time him and I paired up a lot, and I was getting town vibes from him.

With you, I know the type of player you are, and my playstyle is different, but with the knowledge of me, you a traitor least know that it being off isn’t scum indicative. It’s just neutral. And I could tell that the general consensus was that I was being not easy to read, so I decided to come in and actually play the game.

I felt like I was just sitting on the outside because I was hidden.

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UNVOTE: Confirmation Bias
VOTE: 0verki11

My partner was leaning this as well. I don’t really remember Over very much off the top of my head. Can you give me a bullet points of why you’re scum reading there?

~Conf

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@RC, @FL

Can you guys work this out or not, because I really don’t need the drama. :/

I mean, I get along with everyone. Even RC until he starts going aggro on me, and even then I just respond, so I would say yes to that.

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Clem is probably town
Dont like Oka
ive really only skimmed though and ill bother to fully read later today when theres more posts.

Tone

Tone

posts feel genuine

also idc if 8ball is scum, we lynch scum

Chennisden is probably town for 293 and 294.

These are all their posts.

I don’t know if I actually think it’s scummy or not, but I see your point.

I could see it as town who isn’t invested in the game and is taking it at face value, and trying to make some analysis without actually being here in the game.

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Or I’m overthinking and it could just be scum. That’s the kind of thing that I look at later in the game.

Regardless, I think it’s probably a solid wagon, potential Day 1 lynch. You’re right

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Can you guys just read my posts...? I already answered that like three times, Nancy.

My partner signed us up, and was trying to get a game for us.

I also join every single BNL game for the most part.

And I’m not going to miss out on some big event style game just because of some fragile ego.

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You can tell by the way we interact I’m not the issue. He feels the needs to constantly state he’s superior, I do not. He feels the need to constantly say I go out of my way for him, I do not.

I think he just can’t handle someone else being a town leader type in a game with him, mixed in with we have drastically different mafia philosophies, and I even state that I think he’s a strong player. I’ll just point out what I think he needs to work on when I see him falling into his weaknesses. And he gets hung up on things more than I do.

I’m a pretty chill person, if you haven’t noticed.

Sure, I’ll get a little worked up sometimes, but I separate games from each other. If I had a bad experience with a person in one game, I’m not going to hold over to the next game.

I initially black listed RC because he would tunnel me relentlessly without reason every single time and made the game unplayable for me. And those were just all Town/Town games with us. I was a more aggro 4 years ago, though. We were good for a bit.

I just poked at him a lot when I was scum, and it made him blow a gasket.

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can we plz play mafia?


RC i know he's a big ole comungus, but you canbolay w/the hydra right?its not worth breaking the game over

I mean, I’ve learned from that. I think it’s obvious.

I’m nowhere near the player I used to be, Fusc, and I think Musicals showed that. I’m a pretty giving and friendly guy who sticks up for the newbies and doesn’t spout out elitism.

I’m bringing this up so people can see the type of player I am so they can get into my mind and see I’m town.

I believe I did this in Musicals as well, to an extent, no?

I actually believe us just conversing like this IS playing Mafia. This stuff matters, but maybe not at first.

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Let’s play your game then, Fusc.

Who’s scum?

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TD? Awesome. That’s one of my lean scum’s too.

Talk to me about that.

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What looks SvT out of to you?

I can show you what TvS Flavor vs RC looks like, can show you TvT as well

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You’ve also seen town me a few times now, I believe, so what makes you see that differently?

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Not shading, actually wondering so i can fix that for future games, possibly this game.

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the mbaki lynch list is terrible though

What's terrible about it? What names should be on the list that aren't?

Mine, but maybe that’s just...

Confirmation Bias.

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Also, @Chennis - As scum, what could I possibly be trying to “take advantage of” with RC by having him

hard tunnel

push for a PL on me the way he is?

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You’ve also seen town me a few times now, I believe, so what makes you see that differently?

Looks advantage seeking, if you know what i mean. agenda based.

anyway if you are town kill scum with me.

Sure. You think Nancy replaces out here as scum? I generally like to think RC vs FL comes off as good for scum (i n the end it normally isn’t, I don’t think the combination of RC and I have ever lost besides one newbie game, but I won’t get into that game.)

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I swear this game is cursed, first time through momo and now this...

Is this Baezu?

Just ignore RC vs FL. I’ll actively try and shy away from posting towards him unless I’m responding.

Let’s play Mafia.

I’m lean scum on you. If I’m wrong, help me realize that.

Who is scum to you?

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@Chennis - Are you a Gryffindor? I’ve been wanting to say that you are for a few games now, but I didn’t initially start there. Obviously, because I was just reading you on a surface level, but now I’d say I’m decently familiar with you

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take a look at our last newbie game (which happened

after

i told him to leave me alone btw) where he completely derailed the game and caused numerous replace outs tunneling me because i was supposedly setting him up for a mislynch when in actuality i had prevented him from being wagoned multiple times

False. I pushed you as scum, and you can’t handle being scum read is how that started. And I was well tempered the majority of that until the end, when we started casing each other, which was hilarious and one of the funniest things ever happened in that game where we were going at it, then we both stopped posting and at the EXACT same minute we posted huge walls on each other.

If it wasn’t me, I’d have nominated it for Kodak.

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That was fun until it got too aggro.

I was just pushing you as a scum read that game for most of that.

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why are people not wanting to wagon 0verki11

The general lack of posting probably. It’s a fine wagon.

It’s a rough reason to push for Day 1, even if it’s correct, if that makes sense.

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no

we were both town.

I know, but the entire beginnings of our 1v1 there I was pushing you as scum.

I have a flip flop nature when I’m scum, and I literally go through scum reading everyone.

I can show you some links of my town games where you aren’t there?

I feel like I’m just the only one who combats you with stuff, but it’s nothing personal. That’s just how I play.

We should just work together. We generally win together when we can get to that point.

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and he did a whole bunch of crying about how he couldn't handle being lynched by me and openly tactically replaced out (he said he did so at the time) because he couldn't actually mislynch me.
i'm done with whatever problem he has with me, he clearly has convinced himself that he has something to prove over me and its not conducive to either myself or other players enjoying games with both of us in them.

That was a bad joke, and that was discussed there, and immediately afterwards and with the mod.

We should Hydra with each other, but just not talk to each other.

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Hi I got behind and have not read up

AMA

Good luck.

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thinking about 8ball is strictly anti-town

I don’t agree with this.

Just think about the player’s who would pick.

Don’t put stock into it, I know a lot of players have issues with dealing with stuff like that.

Mbaki’s the type of player who would rng it.

certain players would put mislynch bait as it.

Don’t push that, but it’s okay to think about it and look back post game, even for the sliver of a chance.

Everything is AI later.

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And I don’t think we have some “special” relationship.

That’s just the way I think. I look at the personal relationships between people, and how said player acts/thinks about said player, and all of that goes into the way i analyze things, because that stuff actually comes into play in Mafia.

It’s literally a game about relationships and associations. It’s not just you.

I go over my relationship with everyone. Yours is just louder than most other ones.

I say this stuff so you, and everyone else, can get a look into my brain to see how I think about things, so they can see where I’m coming from, and thus get a better read on me, and allow me to get a better read on them.

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I actually remember townreading Over because even tho his content was sparse, it was the same reads I developed and almost the same reasons as well. (I think on Clem and Chenn)

Given agreement on reads and also similar thought process, from my PoV I think he's a bad push.

Ankamius, you said that the nuance in his reads is incongruent; can you explain that further? You think he's being coached to those stances, or something?

-Bias

Pedit: Conf check Discord?

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You do realize that you’re perpetuating this by continuing to harp on it right?

She repped out, any posts she had on the "1v1" are NAI. Regardless of alignment she wasn't having fun.

-Bias

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Mbaki, you feel Chennisden is scum because of the inconsistency in his caliber and confidence, right? His confidence itself seems to be consistent in that it's not a singular push he's very confident in, for example he blatantly calls 8-ball discussion "strictly anti-town" IIRC. Any other reason you feel he's scum?

Chen, do you still believe the RC FL interaction is AI? There have been previous games that went down like this with them TvT.

-Bias

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ugh

why is an oka lynch cool

I actually kind of town read this.

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~Conf

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and look

you vote shadowless

we have confbias who is voting me, who just indicated they tr one of my posts
we have creature who hasnt moved their vote since rvs and has fully admitted they arent reading
we have bef who is voting me to "get things done"

the foundation of my wagon is built on a pillar of lies and no conviction

Bias voted me, not you.

I don’t put down votes. I put down hammers.

~Conf

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VOTE: Confirmation Bias

What concerns do you have with us?

-Bias

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I think Oka's reasoning for the Shadow push is sound. Overkill continues to be town for me. My vote for Oka earlier wasn't due to scumreading him, I was just helping wagon, and I don't have an impression on the slot.

Mbaki, can you explain the "garbage reasons" for SC town?

VOTE: ShadowlessCloud

-Bias

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no. i should have a right to not have people making secret alts to follow me around into games after repeatedly telling them to leave me alone.

I'll state for the record that I was the head who suggested being secret, so I could experiment a bit; I signed up for the game and forgot about it. Didn't check the playerlist.

The Hydra wasn't made secret for the intention to join an RC game and screw with him.

-Bias

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It's not game related.

Hm, so do you have an opinion on our alignment?
Or are you policy lynching while also refusing to form a read on us?

-Bias

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I've honestly skimmed most of your posts. I don't think trying to form a read on you is the best use of my time right now, but I will ISO and sort you tomorrow when I regather my thoughts/energies for this game.

I think it's a really good use of your time if you've already decided to lynch us today for non-game related reasons.

-Bias

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it does seem like the correct solution to this situation for the party that hid in a secret alt to avoid being wotced from the game to replace out.

Hm, when BNL asked in signups if anyone had a problem with a secret hydra, did you not voice any objection to him?

-Bias