Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

[themilkcartonkid]

Nah, pretty sure they never looked at their PM, that's why I replaced them. Fresh start.

[themilkcartonkid]

Also, scum most definitely 8 balled RC I'm calling that right now

[themilkcartonkid]

So I skimmed the game earlier to decide if I wanted to rep in, chenn is probably town based on last game unless they were just lurky earlier. Also only like 4 people are posting and that's about what i got. Who is the leading wagon?

[themilkcartonkid]

discussing 8ball or who is 8ball defeats the purpose of why we voted for the 8ball within 2 pages without any stated gamesolvey posts.

Creature is town

pretty easy read, is it based off activity meta (thats slowly becoming outdated) like most

creature

reads?

I now have 4 reads.

the longer you hold off on telling them the bigger the pay off i expect

i wonder if i can just get away with posting GIFs of game of thrones characters drinking but 90% of that would be tyrion or cersei often within the same scene.

p-edit

VOTE: okapoka

- Dann

quick time to counter! VOTE: Nancefloor

This is bad scumplay and good townplay so +town. I also already dont like certain tones

[themilkcartonkid]

clem

, is the lack of response you have to the

nancefloor

99 vote your way of defending them?

tread carefully hun

discussing 8ball or who is 8ball defeats the purpose of why we voted for the 8ball within 2 pages without any stated gamesolvey posts.

Creature is town

pretty easy read, is it based off activity meta (thats slowly becoming outdated) like most

creature

reads?

I now have 4 reads.

the longer you hold off on telling them the bigger the pay off i expect

i wonder if i can just get away with posting GIFs of game of thrones characters drinking but 90% of that would be tyrion or cersei often within the same scene.

p-edit

VOTE: okapoka

- Dann

quick time to counter! VOTE: Nancefloor

No it doesn’t Taly. The purpose of 8 ball is to not discuss anything PRIOR to voting that. Btw, what is your issue with Dann’s Oka vote?

I assume you have one?

~Nancy

clem

, is the lack of response you have to the

nancefloor

99 vote your way of defending them?

tread carefully hun

I don’t like this. Acting like town leader is a Taly scumtell, I think?

I don’t recall town!you ever doing this.

Nancy

, I don't remember the last time you saw me as scum, and the last time I saw you saying me

"me being a town leader is a scum-tell"

was when you were scum,

Merchant's Daughter

.

So is your answer to 107 that you ONLY are interested in my vote on your hydra and debate that I could be scum for getting a feel of the playerlist?

p-edit

clem

, is the lack of response you have to the

nancefloor

99 vote your way of defending them?

tread carefully hun

I really don’t like this post. Nothing Clem posted was scummy.

did I say he did anything scummy?

This is an interesting interaction

[themilkcartonkid]

Ouch, Nancy is mad at me

Hi Taly .o/

I supplied my vote without context because I like to see reactions to naked votes and I can always add full transparency later.

Why specifically did you find our vote the most interesting to poke at/sort out of the Okapoka votes?

- Dann

No, I’m not, I just assumed you mentioned your reasons. Please do it in the future.

Or if you naked vote for reactions, please give me the heads up first.

~N

I'm probably overthinking this, but it's weird that this took place out
side of the PT

[themilkcartonkid]

Bright eyed fish is obvscum

[themilkcartonkid]

is it me or is it strange that both heads of TD share a strong scumread on nancefloor

i mean

that has to be strange

This post got lost but it is a very good post

[themilkcartonkid]

Sr nancefloor bef mbaki.
Its 0030 I dead goodnight

Also who is shadow I havent seen them all game

[themilkcartonkid]

It's probably going to be a while before I can put together a real case. Nancefloir shouldn't be the lynch because I'm not 100% about it not being playstyle. The sea come from their almost exclusively AtE reasoning, a couple of weird almost slippy posts that I think I've shared a few of and the fact that all their srs are omgus. Bef sounds so increadibly stilted and unnatural. Mbaki... I had a reason but I'll have to remember what tired me was looking at. I think some obvious towns are taly, chenn, and oka. And again, I dont know who shadow less cloud is

[themilkcartonkid]

The people tring bef why?

[themilkcartonkid]

Sr nancefloor bef mbaki.
Its 0030 I dead goodnight

Also who is shadow I havent seen them all game

What if I told you all three of these are town?

- Floor

Tell me why other than you

[themilkcartonkid]

BEF is town.

why is bef town nance

That was Dann.

He just seems really natural and unrehearsed. He reads likes he’s trying to figure out stuff as he goes along. Like he makes votes but he really isn’t pushing anything,

This is just objectively not true

[themilkcartonkid]

Eh maybe the figure things out might be true, but its figuring out game theory stuff, not the game itself

[themilkcartonkid]

I dont think it's the qualities of your reads that make you towny, it's your cluelessness and actual genuineness. Basically what nancefloor was saying about BEF but, you know, actually true. The reason Chenn us town is because they're actually trying and the only other game I had with them they didnt, and the pt showed they weren't just lurking because of irl stuff. Do you think shadow disappearing is AI?

[themilkcartonkid]

Tell me if you need my super MI6 gadgets to catch the evil spies.

For now, I'll enjoy my vacation in Hawaii.

Cheers!

So is he just going to RP the whole time?

[themilkcartonkid]

I think I might just sheep tcmk the entire game. He may not be Shoshin but but he can read me correctly like town!her would and he didn’t even need meta to do it!


Get your votes off of this guy, unless you’re looking for a town loss.

~Nancy the super impressed

What do you think I think about you?

[themilkcartonkid]

The people tring bef why?

Do you have any specific questions or comments for me?

Okay, give me three srs and 3 trs

[themilkcartonkid]

What is it about mbaki?

[themilkcartonkid]

Mini 270 is the one with chenn btw

[themilkcartonkid]

oh boy

am I going to have to play my hand immediately

Clem is probably town
Dont like Oka
ive really only skimmed though and ill bother to fully read later today when theres more posts.

why is clem probably town

Tone

Tone

posts feel genuine

I agree re:clemency so far but idk how I feel about the fact that this one slot is his only townread and his only scumread is the slot that has the most flak on them atm makes me wonder a bit

For later

[themilkcartonkid]

The people tring bef why?

Do you have any specific questions or comments for me?

Okay, give me three srs and 3 trs

3 TRs:
NanceFloor
Creature
conf bias/je

3 SRs (note, these are more scum leans/trust issues than solid reads)
Taly (probably because I get mentally lost in Taly's posts)
mbaki

Can't come up with a 3rd SR right now while shooting this list from the hip.

While I’m not surprised you’re not sr us, I don’t understand why we’re your #1 town and how is Taly ever scum here?

My list wasn't in order but that being said, you are my #1 read.
Irt to Taly being in the SR list, I just haven't picked up on his posting flow and I am afraid to locktown thst slot atm.

See, this moved the goalpost a bit more than I'm comfortable with. Are they sr or are they weak townreads? Why mention them at all

[themilkcartonkid]

VOTE: Chemist1422

VOTE: themilkcartonkid

VOTE: okapoka

Wut

[themilkcartonkid]

I wanted to bait more people to discuss

overki11

and actually have them try to interact with me more directly, but I think I've caught on.

It's probably going to be a while before I can put together a real case. Nancefloir shouldn't be the lynch because I'm not 100% about it not being playstyle. The sea come from their almost exclusively AtE reasoning, a couple of weird almost slippy posts that I think I've shared a few of and the fact that all their srs are omgus. Bef sounds so increadibly stilted and unnatural. Mbaki... I had a reason but I'll have to remember what tired me was looking at. I think some obvious towns are taly, chenn, and oka. And again, I dont know who shadow less cloud is

You have one post to tell me why my scumread on

Nancefloor

was OMGUS. 406 768 821 955 (Better yet, point out what reads are OMGUS.)

And another to sell me on why

kittybells/mbaki/time devil

are all white noise here.

You have until after I leave the house, finish my test, go get immunizations, and then return. I'm leaving now.



The wine signifies the sand of an hourglass.

This has nothing to do with the quoted post? I dont think your vote is omgus, I think the opposite. I also havent read rc or timedevil so ? Mbaki I for some reason sred last night but I dont have a huge reason to today beyond an icky feeling

[themilkcartonkid]

Two things I would like to discuss for fun, 1 why did you originally start mafia and 2 what power are you most looking forward to. I started mafia because I enjoy the roles, but I continue because I think it helps me read people irl. I am excited about using the all town group thing

[themilkcartonkid]

And yes, this will actually help me sort

[themilkcartonkid]

@taly
I dont know what wonderful commentary you want from me here. I'm still in a large part trying to get through the sludge this game and there are a lot of new to me people. I also havent responded to my push because theres nothing to actually respond to. Like this might be the first actual case made against me.
I want to get a read on playstyle esp for the people that seem like they've been here for a while.

[themilkcartonkid]

Also, all my reads from last night were from 12am they were just random thoughts as I was reading

[themilkcartonkid]

VOTE: tmck

actually lets just lynch this solely for his attempt at rqs at this stage

Oka, I just wanted to start a conversation

[themilkcartonkid]

@taly
I dont know what wonderful commentary you want from me here. I'm still in a large part trying to get through the sludge this game and there are a lot of new to me people. I also havent responded to my push because theres nothing to actually respond to. Like this might be the first actual case made against me.
I want to get a read on playstyle esp for the people that seem like they've been here for a while.

[themilkcartonkid]

Also, if I vote my sr, then they will 1v1 me and I need to wait until tomorrow for that. VeF is the person I want to lynch rn. No one has been able to convince me on their tr. Plus they fit with my other sr. VOTE: big eyes fish

[themilkcartonkid]

tmck do you have any completed scum games

A newbie game from way long ago and a theme game, I havent rolled scum in a while

[themilkcartonkid]

Sr nancefloor bef mbaki.
Its 0030 I dead goodnight

Also who is shadow I havent seen them all game

so does this still hold true?

Iso me, you will see

[themilkcartonkid]

I have a reason to meta. I cant rely on meta, but know that AtE is just how a person makes arguments is useful because I want to lynch AtE

[themilkcartonkid]

And I dont want to lynch someone for AtE if they are actually just being them

[themilkcartonkid]

Based on form taly chenn oka

[themilkcartonkid]

If you did not get those from what I posted earlier, you're not reading. Why are you not reading?

[themilkcartonkid]

That was to 1267

[themilkcartonkid]

I dont think it's the qualities of your reads that make you towny, it's your cluelessness and actual genuineness. Basically what nancefloor was saying about BEF but, you know, actually true. The reason Chenn us town is because they're actually trying and the only other game I had with them they didnt, and the pt showed they weren't just lurking because of irl stuff. Do you think shadow disappearing is AI?

And oka is driving town towards a lynch instead of letting them flounder

[themilkcartonkid]

Chenn isn't a form read. I dont think I have a 3rd form read. Chen's for is good, but it's not screaming town

[themilkcartonkid]

Chenn is very obviously town, but if he starts to lurk, then I will reconsider

[themilkcartonkid]

Does anyone agree that ank jumping all over the place with votes might be obfuscation?

[themilkcartonkid]

Oka, why do you want shadow so much?

[themilkcartonkid]

Does anyone agree that ank jumping all over the place with votes might be obfuscation?

that's not a typical scum strategy for me

Were not in a typical game. This is 8 ball

[themilkcartonkid]

oka is town because theyre pushing their scumreeeeeads
and they arent pushing any one agenda.


do you think oka is fishing for a low hanger?

shadowless is the very definition of low hanging

I'm worried about this too. I liked the push, but I'm getting vibes because its hardcore shadow all the time and I didnt like okay response

[themilkcartonkid]

Each Power can be used only once

I have a slight amendment to that strategy, but otherwise, yes.

We have a pr that let's us use 1 power twice

[themilkcartonkid]

I think Milk's vote on BeF is opportunistic.

This is bad and wrong

[themilkcartonkid]

I think Milk's vote on BeF is opportunistic.

This is bad and wrong

explain the first part

because that just reads like shade

Hes town, but this read is crappy

[themilkcartonkid]

I think Milk's vote on BeF is opportunistic.

This is bad and wrong

explain the first part

because that just reads like shade

Hes town, but this read is crappy

How though

It sounds like you're trying to discredit the read without pushing him here which seems like a scum move

VOTE: TMCK

It's not, you can have a bad read and be town

[themilkcartonkid]

A. Not your thread
B. RC is notoriously hard to push for content especially D1

[themilkcartonkid]

I think Milk's vote on BeF is opportunistic.

This is bad and wrong

Yes, your vote is bad and wrong.

Puffer fish!

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

They're poisonous, though. Luckily, as part of my spy training, I am also a world-class certified puffer fish chef! Just check out my Fugu license.

Okay... I think I like the RP

[themilkcartonkid]

Omgus is a shallow read that gets serious because of the confirmation bias effect.

I say something wrong, you react to that, I say more things to defend myself that reinforce the read with hostility, and it goes on.

This may be something that happens, but that is not what I meant by omgus

[themilkcartonkid]

Nancefloor, who do you lynch RIGHT NOW if you had to?

[themilkcartonkid]

I think td is being lazy.
i think they wont make it endgame doing so
i also believe that they are better lynched another day, based on the benefit they give us. theres little info in it, and the chance of them flipping scum isnt superspectacular.

@nance I will sheep you if it's not me. I got a weird vibe from this which makes me be paranoid about all my reads

[themilkcartonkid]

Hot Take: fuscosco and bef are scum, chenn is 8ball

[themilkcartonkid]

I think fusco would be very hard at this point, but I actually feel better about disco than bef

[themilkcartonkid]

I feel like tmnt has been building a slow case on me without building a case. a lot of feels.

"Slow case" and yet you quote all posts from today

A. Not your thread
B. RC is notoriously hard to push for content especially D1

Omgus is a shallow read that gets serious because of the confirmation bias effect.

I say something wrong, you react to that, I say more things to defend myself that reinforce the read with hostility, and it goes on.

This may be something that happens, but that is not what I meant by omgus

I think td is being lazy.
i think they wont make it endgame doing so
i also believe that they are better lynched another day, based on the benefit they give us. theres little info in it, and the chance of them flipping scum isnt superspectacular.

@nance I will sheep you if it's not me. I got a weird vibe from this which makes me be paranoid about all my reads

Hot Take: fuscosco and bef are scum, chenn is 8ball

I think fusco would be very hard at this point, but I actually feel better about disco than bef

Like he's even surfing for a person to lead him to avoid responsibility.

What do you make of me distrusting chen and bef and the wagon on bef? Like

hot take

your guess seems highly illogical given the gamestate, right?

No, I think you and bef want to lynch chenn

TMCK needs more votes.

would you take a bef lynch?

Would you?

[themilkcartonkid]

I'm not an alt, all the "weird flips" that were mention are very clear progressions or second guesses. It turns out I actually post what I think. You can ask ank, RC, and chenn

[themilkcartonkid]

Overkill is a good lynch too Taly, no need to feel bad. The wagons should be Overkill and TMCK, not BEF.

BEF wagon is pointless and anyone who’s town needs to gtf off of it.

~ND

I kinda want to, but I dont have another wagon option and it is better for bef to be mislynched than me

[themilkcartonkid]

kittybells

said or at least hinted to casing or expanding on his reads at least 3 times.

and

ank

would be nice to hear from... why is she scum

fusc

?

and nah, reading back i dont think we're at L-1 at the moment, but id rather people actually try to rationalize

bef

being a good lynch and being very likely scum versus just saying he is and then other people voting because of a compromise.

my vote feels incredibly stagnant, and a lynch is best, but we have 40 hours left.

and no, im normally not the

"lets all drag out the day and talk! whee!"

but dayphases are only a week, so this isn't an excruciatingly long dayphase for the reward of lynching scum since i think scum has very well been voted for thus far. just not thinking its

bef

.

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Overkill is a good lynch too Taly, no need to feel bad. The wagons should be Overkill and TMCK, not BEF.

BEF wagon is pointless and anyone who’s town needs to gtf off of it.

~ND

I kinda want to, but I dont have another wagon option and it is better for bef to be mislynched than me

hold up, wasn't

BEF

on your scumlist? and your current vote?

Also, if I vote my sr, then they will 1v1 me and I need to wait until tomorrow for that. VeF is the person I want to lynch rn. No one has been able to convince me on their tr. Plus they fit with my other sr. VOTE: big eyes fish

VOTE: themilkcartonkid

This is a poor read, still at bef, concerned about 8ball, but I have a bigger concern and you should too

[themilkcartonkid]

Sr not at

[themilkcartonkid]

why is she scum fusc?

what?

ank

... the person you're voting...

p-edit

@tcmk

1771
so you don't scumread

BEF

but you think they're a better mislynch - IE they're town?

the level of inconsistency and incoherence in your last 2 posts are very high.

Sorry, I'm taking care of a baby. I do sr bef, but I have a weird feeling about it. I do think that mislynching them would be better than mislynching me for reasons

[themilkcartonkid]

Idk I think town has a good townblock and tmck/BeF might both flip scum.

This is not teue

[themilkcartonkid]

No, I will not flip scum

[themilkcartonkid]

Screw it we have a day. I'm 1 shot repicker. My role will work if I die the night of my action, I've already asked. If we hit scum I can 1 of 4 the next night if we vote it tomorrow but I dont need a hasty mislynch because I wouldn't claim. I can show crumbs. Also I'm pretty sure ank was trying to crumb it which is why I posted those for later posts. I'm on mobile and it's late but you can find them

[themilkcartonkid]

I'm off for the night, so lunch me or dont, I tried.

[themilkcartonkid]

VOTE: fuscosco already kinda scummy, weird dance around claim, not pushed by anyone icky

[themilkcartonkid]

don't mind me just doing this for EoD VC lulz

Ank vote fusco

[themilkcartonkid]

Nah, pretty sure they never looked at their PM, that's why I replaced them. Fresh start.

oh boy

am I going to have to play my hand immediately

Clem is probably town
Dont like Oka
ive really only skimmed though and ill bother to fully read later today when theres more posts.

why is clem probably town

Tone

Tone

posts feel genuine

I agree re:clemency so far but idk how I feel about the fact that this one slot is his only townread and his only scumread is the slot that has the most flak on them atm makes me wonder a bit

For later

These were other posts from pr mindset

[themilkcartonkid]

Clemency seems like they're going to be self sorting. I would rather lynch someone that actually like gives us info. Fusco has been vocal, and they would help us sort BEF with their flip (they were hopping on and off bef all day yesterday.

[themilkcartonkid]

What info would clem give you?
ND is in my "sort later, trust now" pile because 1. a sr on her would be a 1v1, which with the deadline approaching would cause a no lynch and 2. the biggest reason i sred them originally might be playstyle (I don't like AtE and OMGUS, I don't care about being read as towny, but they definitely do). Same for RC.

[themilkcartonkid]

@Carton How? The first just looks objectively true and the second looks like marking material.

I figured shoshen didn't see their pr because it wasn't like they just got scum and flaked, they were an extremely important role.
The second looked like ank was trying to crumb pr. my plan was to "believe" them when they claimed until lylo, then say "btw guys I'm pr ank is last scum"

[themilkcartonkid]

8ball lynch would be a mountain of info actually

Just knowing who the kills are would be huge

I'm going to die tonight if we hit 8ball and we lose a major advantage

[themilkcartonkid]

BrightEyedFish (4): chennisden, 0verki11, Time Devil, Fuscosco
Fuscosco (7): mbaki, RadiantCowbells, NanceFloor, OkaPoka, BrightEyedFish, themilkcartonkid, JohnnyEnglish (L-2)
themilkcartonkid (1): Chemist1422
chennisden (1): Titus
Overkill (1): Clemency
Taly (1): Ankamius

Not Voting (3): Creature, Taly

[themilkcartonkid]

BrightEyedFish (4): chennisden, 0verki11, Time Devil, Fuscosco
Fuscosco (7): mbaki, RadiantCowbells, NanceFloor, OkaPoka, BrightEyedFish, themilkcartonkid, JohnnyEnglish (L-2)
themilkcartonkid (1): Chemist1422
Overkill (1): Clemency
Taly (1): Ankamius
mbaki (1): Titus

Not Voting (3): Creature, Taly

[themilkcartonkid]

Taly, if we were down to 1 hr, would you jump on fusco to avoid a mislynch?

[themilkcartonkid]

Do you really think

mbaki

is town?

no, but we have less than a day. At this point we have to start considering that scum is trying to stop a lynch from happening at all

[themilkcartonkid]

I've already asked this, it's my action

[themilkcartonkid]

no.. I don't know what his "claim" was but it was about playstyle or something

[themilkcartonkid]

I don’t see a recent vote count what are we at?

Iso me

[themilkcartonkid]

@BnL Fuscosco is l2 not bef

[themilkcartonkid]

If we die tonight, our dying wish is to lynch nancefloor

If Fusc is 8ball I think this is a scum slip.

Anyways, I thought you just reversed your NanceFloor read?

I think actually bef not ,fuscosco

[themilkcartonkid]

Fuscosco is at L-1

[themilkcartonkid]

...

[themilkcartonkid]

Has fusco claimed?

[themilkcartonkid]

If fusco flips scum this was an attempt to give fusco an opportunity to cc

[themilkcartonkid]

If fusco flips scum this was an attempt to give fusco an opportunity to cc

[themilkcartonkid]

It should

[themilkcartonkid]

Fusco was hardly pushed until late game, and there were obvious changes in the read toward them. I will be shocked if they are 8 ball

[themilkcartonkid]

Well I dont survive, so mbaki powerlynches or fails to power lynch rc

[themilkcartonkid]

Aaaah, I want the fliiiip

[themilkcartonkid]

If they're the 8 ball I'm 8balling again

[themilkcartonkid]

I think picking coalition at this point is a terrible idea. I think we should dance first, then either 1 of 4 twice or coalition twice

[themilkcartonkid]

Also, it would be nice to not die tonight

[themilkcartonkid]

oh shit, thought my vote would wake her up

ank

is actually gonna be useless for awhile

to townread or not to townread

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Does everyone have to have a pair?[/size]

Yes.

ugh...

@Mod, do pairs get PTs with each other for as long as they're paired?

No.

dance

is virtually negative utility

Not even close to true... dance is a huge way to eliminate lhf and gain info on not only peoples alignment, but also scum mindset behind the game. Plus we get to basically choose the scum nk

[themilkcartonkid]

Ehh, 2410 was too tongue-in-cheek.

Let's do an exercise here,

TMCK

. Let's say you're hypothetical scum.

Who would scum-you want to pair with?

1)

LHF or someone scumread

2)

Someone highly townread

3)

Someone conftowned by role or other mechanic

Now, who do you think scum would like to get a lynch on?

1)

2 LHF/lynchbaity town

2)

1 LHF and 1 buss-able scum

3)

That pair nobody would throw rope at... most likely because of only one person.

Dance

gives scum control.
Yes, there is valid information to be gained through flips from

Dance

, but does

1of4

,

Coalition

, or even

Reveal

not qualify as a good alternative?

Also, we don't get an NK at all if we use

Dance

:

Selectable only with an even number of players alive.
The game will have a 48 hour commercial break, in which the Mafia must pair all living players. The pairs will be announced, and town must choose a pair by majority vote. Both players in that pair will be eliminated from the game. The Mafia cannot kill after this power.

Somewhat giving

kittybells

"the eye"

for his vote there at the moment because he knows better. 2313

Anyway, I need to go for real now. See ya in a bit guys

Which is why we get the info. Also, we get their nk because we kill 2 people instead of 1

[themilkcartonkid]

ftr here's several reasons I don't think d1 scum lynches are good for town

1. Less associatives, scum that are pretty much fucked D1 are also very likely the scum weakest at manipulating associatives so you're cutting off that possibility already
2. Less information, scum have no reason to defend scum that they can't save
3. Towns have the amazing ability to assume that catching one scum means they caught them all, so towns are likely to be stupid for 3-4 days with lollynches before giving up and not caring to scumhunt properly anymore
4. Scum on this site are competent enough to manipulate themselves into looking good with scum lynches. Town on this site for some reason don't ever expect this.

so yeah scum lynches d1 are a big nope from me dawg

Still salty from our open game huh

[themilkcartonkid]

...did you even do the exercise?

and there's a lot better ways to get info.

if we do

dance

, my motivation is taking a hit.

why is

coalition

bad here? why is

1of4

and

reveal

not something you've evaluated specifically

tmck

?

Why dance is the best: we probably get rid of two lynchbait (pairs down scumreads) we identify scum by looking at the pairs with town (scum are more likely to pair with town because to do otherwise is stupid and would get themselves lynched everytime)
There is no way we get 9 town this round and I'd rather save coalition as a game ender once town is decided.
1 of 4 is another good option though. It just is risky because I might die

[themilkcartonkid]

let me amend that

I'm mad about insomnia tactically replacing

that's all I'm mad about though

That was a good example of that happening though

[themilkcartonkid]

Mbaki, I dont want to fight you, but your analysis is... not good... vengeful is like dance except it gives control BACK to scum if we lynch correctly... plus I dont get to ripick because it's not actually night. I know you might not like my playstyle, but you like actually do need my repick or you will be forced into some crappy choices

[themilkcartonkid]

Also, how do people not get that the scum strategy for dance is going to be to pair scum with obvtown and conftown and to pair lhf together. We lynch lhf every time and then you know, actually know who the real scum pool is after that... and if they're idiots enough to pair themselves with lhf, they die... and if they're even more idiots and pair themselves together, then they die... it's like mechanically win win

[themilkcartonkid]

And if they dont and do what they should... and I stress this... we get rid of two later mislynches AND figure out our real scumpool

[themilkcartonkid]

Then explain it to me because I'm apparently not smart enough to understand?

I wish I had a whiteboard

[themilkcartonkid]

When did I ever say you were scum

Dont take the ate bate

[themilkcartonkid]

Mmmmmm.

My argument against Dance isn't that good.

We need more votes going places.

Vote Dance VOTE: Dance

[themilkcartonkid]

i'll take that as a scumread on me.

Sure... or dont fish for scumreads before we use dance

[themilkcartonkid]

reads on me shouldn't matter

Okay, then it shouldn't matter if you're scumread

[themilkcartonkid]

Lo siento, foquito

[themilkcartonkid]

Unless you're scum, then you can try to make us lose all you want

[themilkcartonkid]

i want to veto and dance before coalition though.

Um no

[themilkcartonkid]

Theres no way we could decide 9 town right now, we have to wait 1 more day for it. We need to dance for the sheer info

[themilkcartonkid]

No, I think rc is right here. Veto after. Dance, coalition, veto, then we can decide from there. Quick question though. If we dance and hit scum somehow, we cant use coalition, right?

[themilkcartonkid]

Actually, we can 1of4 after veto

[themilkcartonkid]

If we double hit scum we might as well 1 of four and literally lynch everyone in the pool

[themilkcartonkid]

RC is flat out wrong. In fact, he should never have announced his lock towns in a dance setup if he wanted coalition after. His lockdowns will never be paired together at all if scum have any sense of competence. This let's scum hide. The low hanging fruit will also be paired with them.

Veto is strictly superior and we have total control on who dies.

Dance is not about killing scum it's about info

[themilkcartonkid]

Because we get info on literally everyone in dance instead of just 4 people

[themilkcartonkid]

I'm gonna be honest I don't care enough about mechanics to get involved in this discussion

but RC/mbaki/Ank are pretty much the only players I personally trust to come to an at least somewhat optimal mechanical decision

soooo... let me know what to vote

- Dannflor

2 of those currently totally disagree with each other

[themilkcartonkid]

Somebody hammerdance

[themilkcartonkid]

Any chance scum puts two of themselves together here?:

Highly doubt it unless they’re both deep

So then there are 3 pairs with scum, ~38%.

What pairs have the highest chance at being both town to help narrow the field?

Oka/Me
Ank/Clem

Also I think scum may have paired up with some strong town players to protect themselves. i.e

mbaki

/

nancefloor

.

Is it worth losing a good town player for a chance at scum?

I think mechanically it’s a better idea to lynch a pair that’s two PoE players, because even if they both flip town we clear out the PoE more for later. I think this is an especially good idea because we had a D1 scum lynch.

Who do you suggest? Anyway, the fact that both my preferred lynches are off the table based on who they’re paired with, makes me really confident in two of my scumreads: overkill11 and TD.

It’s clearly no accident they were paired with RC/tmck. I think that’s extremely telling. I think scum kept two town pairs together: Taly/JE, me/mbaki and I obvtown read Ank, so no way am I touching Clem today.

And that was the point

[themilkcartonkid]

We lynch a town pair today and pick our coalition today who is conftown based on these pairings?

[themilkcartonkid]

This was Boon's town game, so Johnny is town. He would have to do a lot to change my mind. I don't think his play is really wolfy anyways though. Our last wolf game he literally just flaked out page 5.

Titus is not a bad Reveal. I think RC is a better Reveal though, conf town RC should be what a town RC wants - he always complains about people paranoia lynching him.

Also, I want to just say this now: I do think RC needs to die. If he does, before he throws a bitch fit, keep in mind there's a power that lets him give a note from the grave and then we lynch. So, before a LyLo / after we use all the good powers, if RC dies and greens we can always call on him from the grave. He should be happy with this, but ymmv.

I do think its very unlikely we lynch RC and Overkill today though. I'm not insane.

Dang this is +town for you...

[themilkcartonkid]

because scum!RC is a deepwolf and pairs himself with lhf to set up a mislynch on overkill later

[themilkcartonkid]

Here are the pairings for the Dance:

Player 1	Player 2
RadiantCowbells	0verki11
mbaki	NanceFloor
OkaPoka	BrightEyedFish
Time Devil	themilkcartonkid
Ankamius	Clemency
Creature	Chemist1422
Taly	JohnnyEnglish
chennisden	Titus

strong town, always in coalition

possible scum, never in coalition

LHF, fill out coalition, lynch today

These are based purely on pairings, not on reads (except town)

[themilkcartonkid]

This was Boon's town game, so Johnny is town. He would have to do a lot to change my mind. I don't think his play is really wolfy anyways though. Our last wolf game he literally just flaked out page 5.

Titus is not a bad Reveal. I think RC is a better Reveal though, conf town RC should be what a town RC wants - he always complains about people paranoia lynching him.

Also, I want to just say this now: I do think RC needs to die. If he does, before he throws a bitch fit, keep in mind there's a power that lets him give a note from the grave and then we lynch. So, before a LyLo / after we use all the good powers, if RC dies and greens we can always call on him from the grave. He should be happy with this, but ymmv.

I do think its very unlikely we lynch RC and Overkill today though. I'm not insane.

Dang this is +town for you...

except that third paragraph, that is very +scum for you

[themilkcartonkid]

Would you like to respond to my main post, instead of my afterthought / Nance response?

I need to chew on it first. If you're just manipulating the game then no, but if not, then it seems valuable

[themilkcartonkid]

I think everyone should reveal their public townreads

[themilkcartonkid]

Here are the pairings for the Dance:

Player 1	Player 2
RadiantCowbells	0verki11
mbaki	NanceFloor
OkaPoka	BrightEyedFish
Time Devil	themilkcartonkid
Ankamius	Clemency
Creature	Chemist1422
Taly	JohnnyEnglish
chennisden	Titus

Clem scum
Time devil town
Ank town
RC possibly town

Thanks for telling us the scumteam

[themilkcartonkid]

Time, you and overkill with clem as a possible bus if you flip town duh

[themilkcartonkid]

so you currently believe that scum want my slot pushed to a lynch today?

It was mostly a joke about how I feel about overkill

[themilkcartonkid]

We should lynch a pair we feel is lhf, it gets rid of the possibility that scum is really just not being good at it while not hurting our chances to catch a deepwolf later

[themilkcartonkid]

Tituss is very obviously scum here I feel like

[themilkcartonkid]

I keep forgetting we got scum yesterday so there are actual associatives now

[themilkcartonkid]

I feel like bef oka is a bad vote and it should be creature chemist. I cant sort either of them

[themilkcartonkid]

A joke is like a frog

[themilkcartonkid]

I feel like bef oka is a bad vote and it should be creature chemist. I cant sort either of them

Why is Creature/Chemist a better vote?

Because bef and oka risks two kinda sortable whereas creature chem is two unsortables. I dont give a crap if we hit scum here, the goal is to eliminate mislynches and lynchbait while not letting scum get away with wifom. (The correct play is to pair with obvtown to not be lynched, if they tried to wifom their way out of it by pairing with a mislynch to misdirect us towards lynching a good town player and mislynching, we would just say nah and lynch the obvious pair)

[themilkcartonkid]

How? How can you possibly know that based on the little they've actually posted?

[themilkcartonkid]

But I want to know how

[themilkcartonkid]

Okay, so the huge iso pist

[themilkcartonkid]

VOTE: ankamius/clemOkay, I've been double convinced. This will give us info while getting rid of a lylo mislynch

[themilkcartonkid]

I think I might be okay with a titus chen lynch. Not because I particularly scumread chen, but because I dont think chen is as obvtown for everyone which would hurt coalition. I'm not willing to vote until I can get a good number of people to agree and I'd rather lynch someone than no one

[themilkcartonkid]

If you are willing to vote titus chen please say so now, we need to get this together

[themilkcartonkid]

That's why NL is optimal.

No, because the game could be as easy as oka bef or ank clem or chem creature, that's why lynching a lhf is better than no lynching

[themilkcartonkid]

That's why NL is optimal.

No, because the game could be as easy as oka bef or ank clem or chem creature, that's why lynching a lhf is better than no lynching

Why would any competent scumteam pair themselves?

A.) Wifom
2. No garuntee scum is competent

[themilkcartonkid]

tmck

if you assume that the scumteam aren't competent

then you run into the same problem where the scumteam just did the obvious thing and made all of them safe

a scumteam that double paired lynchbait is also confident that they can swing a vote away from them

so

But the risk of killing a strong town is too high to maybe catch scum vs take out two mislynches and very maybe catch scum

[themilkcartonkid]

although tbf Taly is more a "idk maybe deepwolf but not worth going into atm" type read so maybe not that pairing

Plus Johnny is the least scummy of the lhf

[themilkcartonkid]

don't ruin my dreams please

Sorry, what do you think about chen titus considering titus's wack reads?

[themilkcartonkid]

My issue with this game right now is I'm told that nancefloor, you, titus, mbaki, and rc are all good as town and I think it's mainly for that reason that I'm townreading most of you, but you're all disagreeing and all the others you guys are townreading. It makes me think that at least 1 (and more likely 2) strong players are scum. I think if titus flips, it would shed a lot of light on who I think those people are

[themilkcartonkid]

It's not that you think each other are scum, it's that you are disagreeing

[themilkcartonkid]

it's because town always goes pants on head stupid when there's a d1 scum lynch on this site

I have been genuinely considering this. I want to talk to you about it once I know you're not manipulating the gamestate

[themilkcartonkid]

So..... titus chenn?

[themilkcartonkid]

Honestly, there are three major wagons, let's kill one and veto the other two

[themilkcartonkid]

Honestly, there are three major wagons, let's kill one and veto the other two

townie post

Oh honey

[themilkcartonkid]

Mine

I don't like voting your slot. Still don't TR Clem very much though.

So... UNVOTE:

Now I'll repost the pairings, maybe a new look at it will help you see a better lynch option because I am not really feeling any of the wagons going on right now:

Here are the pairings for the Dance:

Player 1	Player 2
RadiantCowbells	0verki11
mbaki	NanceFloor
OkaPoka	BrightEyedFish
Time Devil	themilkcartonkid
Ankamius	Clemency
Creature	Chemist1422
Taly	JohnnyEnglish
chennisden	Titus

I think we should go for one of these 2 slots:
chenn/titus
Time/tmck

Let's try to start this before we run out of time, or the current wagons will be stuck between voting each other for survival:

VOTE: chennisden/Titus

This is a scumclaim I'm pretty sure

[themilkcartonkid]

I stopped playing to win this game a long time ago

What changed?

[themilkcartonkid]

Okay, do we veto or coalition first? Also, I would prefer titus chen, but I'm definitely okay with ank clem based on rc vs ank. I do think that bef oka is a possible lynch, but idk.

[themilkcartonkid]

How many go in the coalition

oh cool creature is town

How/ why

[themilkcartonkid]

Back in my day, you got lynched for whining like this and learned to work with others. Being a good townie isn't just self centered ya know? Sometimes you gotta give your TRs what they need. Forget this and town is hard.

I like this

[themilkcartonkid]

Could titus, ank, nance, and rc give their coalitions? I'm so confused as to who is townreading what

[themilkcartonkid]

My coalition not in rank order is tmck, creature, ank, rc, stargazer, titus, oka, mbaki

Ok

[themilkcartonkid]

I am not speaking a word of my coalition until the first coalition has already gone through.

I can force your hand. I will not pick coalition is you dont give me your reads. And it's not even game throwing because you could very well be scum trying to waste a second coalition
Pedit: I get that but I need team player rc and not solo artist rc. If you trust nance ank and titus to think for themselves please tell me
Pedit 2 go 7p to let scum guess 8th

[themilkcartonkid]

Team player doesn't always have this kinda town makeup

[themilkcartonkid]

I am not speaking a word of my coalition until the first coalition has already gone through.

I can force your hand. I will not pick coalition is you dont give me your reads. And it's not even game throwing because you could very well be scum trying to waste a second coalition
Pedit: I get that but I need team player rc and not solo artist rc. If you trust nance ank and titus to think for themselves please tell me
Pedit 2 go 7p to let scum guess 8th

RC can’t be scum and be mindmelding with me. I really don’t see why this would affect your coalition vote that much. I think that’s the best next power option. And why do you need this info today, when we are not even voting a power today?

1st off, yes he can
2nd I'm very concerned about a scum rc just playing us into making poor decisions and knowing who hes actually townreading would stop the very good tactic of claiming all sorts of reads he doesn't really have until you cant tell who hes going to push in mylo

[themilkcartonkid]

i am by FAR the best town player here. none of the people who are comparable or better than me are present.

Literally everyone is willing to work with you here knowing this about you, but you actually have to use us to check you because neither of those numbers are 100%

[themilkcartonkid]

The other thing that this gives us is something we can agree on because there are like 5 people who are talking rn in a 16 person game

[themilkcartonkid]

Okay, give me 5 town

[themilkcartonkid]

The other thing that this gives us is something we can agree on because there are like 5 people who are talking rn in a 16 person game

And were all yelling at each other

[themilkcartonkid]

If this is two town I might engage tinfoilhat mode VOTE: bef oka

[themilkcartonkid]

So the scum I found are Td and Overkill based on position in the dance and VCA. I say we do a coalition with our strong towncores. If/when that doesn't work we veto with over and tl plus two of the coalition that are the most meh then try again. If that doesn't work still we lynch ok, lynch td, 1 of 4 and start lynching our way through that 1 of 4

[themilkcartonkid]

It allows for the possibility that I'm wrong about one of those two and it keeps rc happy so

[themilkcartonkid]

Why veto before coalition? If we coalition first and fail we have a greater chance of forcing scum to strongman kill themselves

[themilkcartonkid]

VOTE: coalitionOkay, vote coalition then

[themilkcartonkid]

He wont let anyone know until the 2nd one

[themilkcartonkid]

themilkcartonkid is never scum
Skygazer is never scum
Creature is very unlikely scum
NanceFloor is very unlikely scum
RadiantCowbells is very unlikely scum
Clemency is very unlikely scum

MariaR is unlikely scum
Chemist1422 is unlikely scum but less confident than any of the above
chennisden and Titus are less scummy than the last three slots

Probably this plus ank
Maybe switch clem for titus or chen

[themilkcartonkid]

Does mafia have daychat?

[themilkcartonkid]

So... the Johnny replace was weird right?

[themilkcartonkid]

Desync, reupload

[themilkcartonkid]

VOTE: NanceFloor, tmck, Ank, RC, Sky, Creature, Maria, Clem

Will switch to Chemist over Clemency, if the majority prefers it.

Maria should not be in it

[themilkcartonkid]

themilkcartonkid is never scum
Skygazer is never scum
Creature is very unlikely scum
NanceFloor is very unlikely scum
RadiantCowbells is very unlikely scum
Clemency is very unlikely scum

MariaR is unlikely scum
Chemist1422 is unlikely scum but less confident than any of the above
chennisden and Titus are less scummy than the last three slots

Probably this plus ank
Maybe switch clem for titus or chen

It should be VOTE: milk, sky, rc, creature, nancefloor, ank, chemist and clemency in that order. I've had a possible realization I can discuss later but if rc is scum, then we've already lost because it means the team is made of deep wolves entirely and I'm trusting his reads on sky and chemist. I have good reason to sus all the bottom four, but well get to that if this fails

[themilkcartonkid]

Everyone vote that or you are openwolfing

[themilkcartonkid]

That wasn't bravado, and I will explain why if you do

[themilkcartonkid]

Leave me out of your coalition

No, you can be in it, remember, you dont get a say here by your own rules

[themilkcartonkid]

Hes much less likely scum than the rest and he was paired with titus in dance and I dont think scum pairs themselves with scum in that case

[themilkcartonkid]

Consensus town (all coalitions should have these):
TMCK
Sky
RC
Creature
Nance
Ank

Upper PoE:
Maria
Chemist
Clem
Chenn

Lower PoE:
Moon
0ver
TD
Titus

for convenience. I'll sort the bottom two brackets by my own reads soon.

I agree with this list.

You need 1 more so add clem and vote boiiiii
Pedit oh. Still. I feel better about clem than chenn rn

[themilkcartonkid]

If you include me in your coalition I'm excluding myself from mine and I promise you mine is a shit ton more likely to succeed than yours.

I would prefer that actually

[themilkcartonkid]

No, by forcing rcs hand here, were not letting him double hide scum in his coalition, I will say there is certainly a deepwolf in this seeing how okay everyone is with it, but I'm really thinking maybe overkill titus moon? Idk not including rc means that I'm pretty sure coalition fails for too many nullreads to veto

[themilkcartonkid]

Like moon might be bluffing here hoping well let him in. I'm willing to have my mind changed on RC, but I think I'm right

[themilkcartonkid]

Maria because je was really gross

[themilkcartonkid]

I wonder if RC and I have the same crazy reads. Okay, I think I'm okay with RC not being in the coalition

[themilkcartonkid]

Can someone explain why ank is obvtowning here? Not that I dont townread, but I would like to learn more and get better reads

[themilkcartonkid]

We cant because we wont get to coalition again. We have to veto. We have a couple options, but we should talk about them later

[themilkcartonkid]

Can someone explain why ank is obvtowning here? Not that I dont townread, but I would like to learn more and get better reads

She's not obv town but I'm too apathetic to not town read her apathy

I would say this is very different from how I'd expect scum!her to play this game but I can't really say I should be able to confidently read her

- Dann

This apathy talk seems disingenuous. Not from everyone, but from at least 1 of the people doing it.

[themilkcartonkid]

This was to you, not necessarily about you

[themilkcartonkid]

That's possible

I do expect scum to be more directly trying to influence the game at this point though? I feel like this is a setup in which that is required otherwise you're hoping to just luck out and win in an otherwise town-sided setup

- Dann

Tell me more

[themilkcartonkid]

That all strongly depends on how correct we think the deep wolf read is, but I'm starting to read your mail.
VOTE: Coali
Not like I'm gonna be in this anyway nor should I

I would not like to be in either tyvm.

If I'm put in a coalition and it fails I know dam sure I'm the first person people will point fingers at so I will pass.

[themilkcartonkid]

I actually think it's possible that TD is not scum and we do have a deepwolf. I have a few picked out

[themilkcartonkid]

Titus is a terrible venge. She would vig rc

[themilkcartonkid]

Nope.UNVOTE:

[themilkcartonkid]

I've thought about rc being in the coalition vs not and I think I was wrong. I'm still thinking about maria

[themilkcartonkid]

So the fact that nancefloor includes moon in their townreads is very sus and if this coalition fails I would like to see her in veto with td, ok, and moon.

[themilkcartonkid]

I probably should have saved that for after the coalition, but man it's so bad