UK Eastermeet Invitational (Game over)
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Why did we choose to play this game??
2 scum down, 10 to go. But I guess I can't tell you who.-
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Klick: It doesn’t seem like the correct play here to give my reads, as then scum know 1) whether it’s safe to lynch me, or 2) who to leave alive if scum get lynched.
Normally agreed best play in JoB is to lunch the second-most scummy person, but that seems way harder to identify within 12 players.
Oh I guess I can vote already though? Let’s do it.
VOTE: CDB-
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Why not? What’s your plan?In post 54, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Spoiler: neither scum nor the second scummiest person is going to get lynched.
Myko: gut. But not specifically 2nd scummiest.
Klick: what made you ask that question of Primate?
I have 4 scummy reads now. Why am I the only one voting?-
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Why?In post 58, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:The other townie (hopefully you, Klick) should talk to me. We're about halfway through the grace period.-
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Patrick: Wenna hasn’t even posted yet. If she hasn’t picked up her PM, might be worth prodding her on Facebook?-
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So, I had forgotten it, but if the scum plan is to quicklynch a townie as soon as they get a chance and hope that townie shoot wrong, then it definitely is bad for me to give full info about my reads. But voting is a way that I can still project some of what I'm thinking and add pressure to someone.In post 72, JackODiamonds wrote:I'm weirded out by her trying to vote.
This game is horrible. I don't know how I'm meant to demonstrate my towniness to the other townie without being able to give thoughts and reads.
I have 6 people as possible town currently, and luckily I don't think any of them have me as scum either, so that's something, I guess.-
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If everyone would like to answer one question for me it's this: how does this game currently make you feel.
Just so I'm 100% clear - does the townie seriously have to shoot 9 out of 10 scum in order to win the game? Has this ever been successfully done before?-
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It would be super bad if the other townie is Wenna.
Xtoxm, Kyrion, Poro, Nexus, Cpol. Of the people who have posted, you all have the least content which makes me feel able to reading you. In itself that could say a lot, but. If you're town, please make sure you do something about it in the next day before the deadline.-
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So... you currently think that another townie would be able to correctly identify you as town?In post 90, cpol wrote:or the other towie is lynched and I have to hope that they see through the nonsence.-
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Why this? Even if scum go for a quicklynch in town, what is the harm in town trying to get scum lynched with their vote?In post 93, Primate wrote:1. Anyone who has a vote on another player in the first 24hrs after the 72 window lifts is scum to me regardless of reason.-
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UNVOTE:
I can now think of a reason not to be voting, but Primate I’d still like to hear what yours is.
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Two-ish answers to my question so far, one good one bad. Everyone: how would you describe your current feelings towards this game?-
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a) everyone has a baseline 90% chance of being scum.In post 102, Kyrion wrote:I have scum reads on everyone who has scum reads... Like.. Wha? Other than a couple of people who made fairly obvious scummy posts, it seems pretty odd to get reads off a few lines...
b) if someone is doing something that seems awkward, weird, illogical etc, and seems like they might be scum. Then they very probably are. Doesn’t mean I won’t change it if new information trumps the old read. But I have to start somewhere.-
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Poro: why do you have me as not town?
Wenna: I’m town. But I think it’s unlikely that you are. If you are this game is actually kinda hilarious for the last 2 days.-
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Okay... well I thought I’ve already explained reasons for everything you’ve quoted Poro.
It’s anti-town if I give my reads list, because if scum are looking to kill a townie, then it tells them which of the townies is better to kill. I’ve given my number of reads instead because:
a) at least then I’m sharingsomething. It gives an indication to the other townie of what I am thinking and how I am processing the game, which might match their experiences. It might also make scum feel uncertain about lynching me. Especially as you could perhaps infer some of my reads based on who has posted and what they have posted.
b) If we get to Day 2, and I’m not a confirmed townie, then I will be able to go back through the game and explain in full what I was thinking at each stage and what the reads were, and it will make sense, and hopefully I can then demonstrate that I’m the other townie.
I voted for CDB at that point because: I felt a single vote doesn’t give away so much of my reads to be a big risk, whilst still conveying a bit about how I was feeling, and maybe push CDB to react. I also hoped it would prompt other people to vote, in general I think people voting each other would give more information away, as scum are forced to interact with and react to each other even more.
CDB was my first scumread, his entrance to the game just seemed awkward and weird. I actually don’t feel as strongly about it now, he’s more in the middle of my pack - this is part of why I retracted my vote.
I also felt, initially, that that there was no real harm in town having a vote on scum, and thus perhaps having some control of the lynch. The main thing that led me to unvote was, I realised that in the event that my scumread was wrong and I had landed a vote on the other town, that would be so incredibly damaging for the game and basically guarantee a town loss.
You’re last two quotes are repeating the same stuff I’ve already addressed. I have changed my mind on some people as the Day has gone on, and that’s something I’ll talk about in Day 2 if it’s needed.-
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I assumed it was in response to Kyrion's question in 41. Why do you ask? There's been no quicklynch yet so maybe scum had some kind of plan to wait it out?In post 144, Samantha Eyzburg wrote:First person to read this gets to have a guess why this rule was made.-
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Did you mean this game, or playing mafia on skype or something?In post 144, Samantha Eyzburg wrote:I had somewhat been looking forward to a weekend full of mafia.-
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Why would you ask this? Are you expecting me to answer?In post 147, Samantha Eyzburg wrote:I'm on your townlist then, Fenchurch?
I'll give you my thoughts on you, but not whether I'd shoot you or not.
To start with a plus: you're one of the few people still talking even now when things seems to have really slowed. Scum play generally takes more effort, and is probably hard to sustain in a game like this, so posting is a town-tell imo.
On the other hand, although you've been posting a lot, I didn't feel you had given any real reads or anything akin to a read... your posts contained a lot of chit chat but I didn't get a sense of you giving any thoughts on the game or even hinting at reads. Looking back, I guess there is a bit more there than I remembered, and some that I agree with (e.g. Davsto lock-scum within the first 2 pages).
You also seem very cheery, whereas I'm somewhat dreading the prospect of having to shoot correctly. Although also just accepting it; it's a silly game I guess. I have a shortlist, and I'll also have more information from the lynch itself, but there are a handful of players who I just don't feel that confident in being able to read correctly.-
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So which of these is it?In post 139, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:no one's said either "CESscum is trying to portray Klickscum as town" or "CESscum is trying to trick Klicktown"
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Well... that sounds rather like scum trying to arrange a quicklynch.In post 153, ChannelDelibird wrote:Kyrion and Wenna barely being here makes this all pretty difficult. . .<snip>. . . Gonna reread tomorrow-
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WOAH, okay. I only have 5 minutes before work, so I can't post everything I'd like to. Myko - I'm the other townie.
I'm just gonna dump my notes, although they're not super current...
Spoiler: reads list
I kinda stopped updating these after page 4 or so - in the early game there is more to keep track of. I had Klick as most likely town based on how CES seemed to be fixated on convincing him, and based on his reaction to CES' question, although the fact he hasn't posted in 2 days now wasn't so good. Then I had Primate as my next pick because his feelings about the game most closely matched mine ('dread' at having to shoot correctly). Poro and Cpol went down to scum now for not being active at all. Jack has been active but I still thought was scum based on her consistently calling me scummy for no reason.
People I felt most uncertain about being able to read correctly were: CDB (I generally always find him scummy even when he's town), CES, Myko. My shortlist as of last night of who I would save was Klick, Primate and Myko, of course factoring in extra information from the lynch. I guess based on my post Myko just now Tom felt it safest to trigger the lynch there.
Myko - where are you at? Do you have any questions about my play?-
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Dammit I don't have my phone at the moment and I couldn't log on from work so haven't been able to post all day!
Mykoit's not Primate or CES or Poro,it's me. Primate has given very little info and it makes no sense for him to not realise there's no harm in giving his reads now. CES' play is harder to pin down which is why I had him in my 'unconfident about reading' pile but it is still his typical scum-play; low key and logical, but also low energy. Poro is just... continuing to act like he's not sure who the other townie is, wtf? Even if it's not 100% confirmed as you, there's no reason to operate otherwise right now.
I feel like two things are likely:
a) scum were hesitating about pulling the trigger on the lynch because so many of them are inactive.
b) Tom got worried when we made a connection yesterday and decided that it was necessary to try and cut it short-
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Maybe, but I've been struggling this whole game with how to demonstrate my towniness without being able to give reads.In post 200, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:I would also point out that as per Fenchurch's reads, her claimed most likely scenario was essentially Klicktown being manipulated by the scum and she took no steps to remedy that - a hypothetical Fenchurch-Klick town would have surely lost with a Klicklynch
Also I'd like to point out that a bunch people have been throwing suspicion at me, but nobody has given reasons why, which is exactly what happens when the majority of players are scum and I end up getting mislynched (or mis-shot in this case).-
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And I was taking steps, those steps were just to generally be as active and open as I could be. My approach was to be town, not just towards one person.In post 200, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:I would also point out that as per Fenchurch's reads, her claimed most likely scenario was essentially Klicktown being manipulated by the scum and she took no steps to remedy that - a hypothetical Fenchurch-Klick town would have surely lost with a Klicklynch-
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Myko - I can't really follow your reasoning here - what are you saying that you CES' supposed plan was? Who has to cope with the doubt?In post 181, Samantha Eyzburg wrote:I think the Klick thing was always about CES. If CES is town, he'd never give away the game as easy as that and mark who has to be lynched (and then has to cope with the eternal doubt that CES is playing him). I think he'd always have the hope to get lynched somehow, so "getting it all wrong" helps in that sense. And it's a forceful move, together with his "plan", getting people to move around him so he could observe.
Should CES be scum, it's a fake trail. Klick hasn't done anything on his own merit, so it's not even a gamble whether CES is double bluffing.
Don't shoot badlySamantha Eyzburg wrote:So who are we blaming for our loss if I happen to shoot badly?-
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I've done the same search and I get Jack, CDB, Poro's 108, etc etc, and only one reason there which is in Jack's post, which I addressed myself.In post 205, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:I don't think that's been happening. Just had a look through searching for "Fen" and the only person throwing shade at you I found have been me, just now, and Poro, both of us explaining why.
Poro's reason just now is that my posting my reads list ruins my defence. That's just nonsense; there was a clear, pro-town reason I was cagey earlier, but now once a lynch has been determined and it's not me, then it really matters very little.
Your reason is because I didn't direct myself at Klick enough, I've given my reason for that too.-
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Full disclosure... I stopped searching here, these etceteras are for rhetorical purposes.In post 208, Fenchurch wrote:etc etc-
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Okay so, my thoughts I've had throughout the game, spoilered for space.
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Also in looking back I've remembered this interaction, which at the time struck me as scum-scum:In post 68, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:A small part of it also was that I thought Primate's "galaxy brain" thing seemed unlikely to be intended to appeal to me which suggested that the other townie would be more appreciative of memes, but that's not really an angle I'd like to rely on.
CES accusation is such a strange and stretchy one to make - it's clearly just the kind of thing that Primate says - and so both the accusation and defence just seem very fake and awkward.In post 69, Primate wrote:all my posts are designed solely to appeal to me.-
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I'm not even sure where to begin on Poro. I think I've responded to Poro's case against me in 138, but hopefully now it is even more clear why there was value in me posting information about my reads even without a full list; it's because I can demonstrate afterwards that those posts were genuine. It's true that I made a mistake about the standard JoB play being to lynch the second-most townie player. And I'm not sure even now what he means by 'if you have to ask' about why it's bad for a townie to vote. It seems completely contradictory to his position now that the wagon might be on scum....
183 is just bizarre. I've posted my historic reads to evidence that I have been having them throughout the game, even though I haven't been posting them. However, giving *current* reads is just meaningless, as well as suggesting that he'll re-read Myko's post. Either Myko is town, in which case the very most important thing is that he shoots correctly. Or Myko is scum, in which case we will get to Day 2 anyhow (and for this reason, I'm almost certain Myko is town, as there seems no benefit to scum lynching one of their own... they simply lose an opportunity to win by mis-shooting).-
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Primate wrote:
Thank you so much for actually starting the speedvote btw, stepping up and actually making the call. I was apoplectic during sunday that no-one was starting a wagon. I was considering outing myself in order to get people to do things, but like my position at that point was pretty good so I was hating it.In post 242, Xtoxm wrote:gg, well done primate!
i thought for sure town had this when myko started calling CES town for his entrance plan.
Same.
I had huge regrets for having cast doubt on the speedlynch in the mafia thread. It's a bit tricky living with CES and not playing from work, meant I only had 5 minutes of alone time in which to read my PM and spew some thoughts into the thread, and I had spent all my pre-game thought time trying to get into a townie mindset and not really paying any heed to the correct scumplay.
During the game I realised that the speediest speedlynch was absolutely the best play, but by that point it was too late to express it. And then I was also afraid of having the wagon be comprised of only the active players, and Myko only having to choose between CES coherently non-voting and a bunch of players who weren't around - which caused my own hesitation in joining, although I think it would have been better to havae CDB, Jack or Klick off the wagon than me.
And this. Well done to CES for standing out as town amongst all the nonsense, and to Myko for identifying that and correctly shooting 11 players in the game. By rights I feel like a game like this should never get to Day 2, but the both of you played scarily well so that it did.In post 242, Xtoxm wrote:gg, well done primate!
i thought for sure town had this when myko started calling CES town for his entrance plan.
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