BooneyToonz XI: The Sorcerer’s ABoontice

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Let this be the game where we don’t change mind on the first wagon.

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Nah mate

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People are who they are. I would be more bothered about sliding under the radar if this was a mini.

I wanna count the pagetops and bottoms are this game is over so we can see how dominant we are <3

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I’ve choked a lot of chickens in my time. You’ll never beat me.

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I’m feeling all hot and bothered here.

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I told you already that I’m her alt/she’s my alt.

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Anyway I don’t have time for much shitposting today.

Vorkuta is scum.

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Hey I can change mind mind.

Tell me who’s scum.

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VOTE: TLK

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The trick to mafia is figuring out which of the LHF’s are town. So you can certainly case them.

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Also btw this is a complete personality 180 from me too so I just don’t see what’s scummy about that.

We just have a spark <3

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I find those reads about wagon forming utterly hilarious.

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Yeah that's true.

Everyone we vote is town so let's start voting the whole playerlist!

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You and me both.

But I don’t find Nero scum, just mildly annoying.

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Hey look we stole another page too and bottom.

PPG, I forget if you scumread TLK.

Nero beyond wagon formation why is TOK town?

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Ok I can kind of see why it might be a crumb but it doesn’t seem like a hard crumb to me?

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Well he’s the leading wagon so I’d say take a look?

Awestfie, I feel like that should be sorted tomorrow maybe and not today.

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We have alternative facts.

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does a tree falling in an empty forest make a sound?

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TLK I find it mildly interesting that you seem to have missed the fact that Nero was defending you.

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I mean you could be a bird, then you could fly.

Do chickens know gravity exists?

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No means no chicken boy. She won’t touch your cloaca.

You ruffle my feathers with such talk.

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You do sound mildly stressed.

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Can we just lynch one of awe/roster to cut down on the thread clutter?

Hello Nero!

Do you want the game to be just 'he's scum/she's scum?' Because I don't think that's very useful.

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Did I tell you that you do the most beautiful read lists?

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How many of you played in this mysterious last game? And where can I find it?

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I just made this case with the parallel to ceejay in the last game.

CJ flipped scum in that game? Or am I being stupid?

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He would still be playing in scum mindset though no?

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RCE is saying that TLK case is similar to Ceejay last game, but Ceejay was scum then.

I'm confuzzled.

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Yeah of course, but seems like an odd reason to try to derail the wagon.

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I actually kind of think scum would avoid spearheading the day 1 push on Vorkuta. His lynch itself may not be divisive but it'll create controversy outside of his lynch, if that makes sense. Only slightly offset by the fact I think awe and roster are psuedo alignment tied but as opposite alignments. So there's a scum cushion there if that's the case.

I'm going to be so distraught if I let myself be pocketed this hard.

I haven't though.

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I still don't see why this makes TLK town.

LHF are fine lynches if they're scum.

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RCE I understand I’m not playing like normal but I’m not playing like my scum self either. So so don’t see why you scum-meta read me.

Sky always sounds scummy. She’s a hard player to decipher.

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You’re not very calm though (weren’t)

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See we’re true lovers. Both in and out of game.

Now can we up the ante on TLK

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VOTE: Una

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But the anger shines through in your words.

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You are of honour.

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We can come back to him later. Plenty of time my love.

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Well received.

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With me?

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All of us could it together!

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Hey is this Ank or no? Because I feel link Ank would be down.

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But what do I know, I’m only a chicken.

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Sorry.

Penguin do you think TLK or Una is scum?

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Why? Is Una town?

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Hi

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VOTE: TLK

You always return me to the true path.

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So you could join us too.

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I should be considered a part of their grouping as their official third-wheel.

Of course. <3

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That shade though. Really does scumping.

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It’s classic way to try to discredit your wagon. Doesn’t work on us though, our bond is strong.

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I like you too

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Me too.

Then we could sail off into the sunset together.

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What did I get mad at?

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My role doesn't include town or arcanist in its name. It says so elsewhere in the post but not in the role title. I'm an arcanist aka town.

This is someone who is reading a fake-claim and is trying to get town-cred because it looks like other town role PM's.

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Btw Vork hammer if you want to. Don't let us pressure you.

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Just FYI Westie is going to hammer the moment you place your vote. I know my love well

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I'm already voting.

Oh yeah I wasn't supposed to tell him that. Damn!

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Btw Nero if you're unvoting because you think Awestfie is scum don't.

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Oh man I feel the AtE.

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It weakens me.

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See if RCE has a (role) reason that TLK is town I might believe it. So I'm really considering halting this until he comes back.

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Hum dum dum.

Pedit: Me neither.

I'm keeping my vote tonight and hoping that something has happened when I wake up.

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(I don't like seeing her upset that is)

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Tbf if RCE actually vouches for him we catch 2 scum.

I promise you I'll try my hardest to make sure we still Lynch him.

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More thoughts later but first this:

I don't do excuses..
If I don't do anything, it's because I'm not making any progress with my reads -> I get frustrated and bored.
But this game here?
The early game was overall very demotivating and uninteresting because of the amount of trollposting and NAI-interactions.
Or, I mean..IF there was anything AI to catch there, I really don't feel like I want/need to do it.

I really don't like this. Awestfie and Vortuka. (and others) had lots of AI interactions and I feel like you were just piggybacking on the anti-trollposting train when there was much more to talk about.

I want to lynch this today. I feel like everyone else had lots of reasons for their viewpoints but this was just floating about, trying to blend in a bit.

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Also I’m not shitposting today.

Probably.

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We were never claiming lovers.

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VOTE: Una

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Mmmk Vork I believe you.

VOTE: PP

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Yeah Nero was killed 100%

We are never lynching Awestfie.

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I’m not fundamentally opposed to a Dave wagon/lynch either mind

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But Penguin is scum.

Sorry my bird

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This isn't a pocket.

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Yeah I see that possibility Awestfie.

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No like if there was the slightest chance this was a pocket I'd say it.

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Also PP IMO these things are more scummy from you since you're vaguely competent. (believe me almost everyone is completely incompetent so consider this a compliment).

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There isn't a planet in which she is scum.

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So I suggest you try pushing someone else.

Pedit: The above post is true.

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Why not?

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OK so why did she believe that he was not a super saint?

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In your view.

I don't like that I'm having to drag the answer out of you.

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That was the first and I believe he claimed the others after she unvoted, but I will double check.

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I told you guys. I'm super saint.

Reiterates SS. I believed it.

That's the wrong tags.

UNVOTE: TLK

Awestfie unvotes

But I guess fine.

I'm a visitor.

Changes claim.

Why does scum NOT believe the SS?

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Answer: They do.

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We were having the same convo, but w/e

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Why does scum NOT believe the SS?

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Solid pagetop chicken.

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Dave I don't expect you to re-read. Just interact with us now.

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Me too.

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Dave what do you think about PP's posting today?

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Nope.

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Why does scum NOT believe the SS?

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Penguin we're not going to let this go btw.

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And then he reiterated it when people were asking him to claim.

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Penguin we're going to spam you until you succumb.

Let’s not spam.

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That's not a good answer though and shows you weren't paying any attention.

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You weren't paying attention to today's posts where this fact was pointed out earlier.

Pedit: I don't mean literal spam.

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Like we're not arbitrarily adding pages any more.

Please address the issues, ty.

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There was no credibility behind the claim to begin with, so the better question is why would anyone believe it to begin with. He claimed it early on with no pressure as a "oh btw, I'm supersaint."

This is plainly untrue. It was reiterated as was pointed out. You keep not addressing this point.

@Everyone: Did you believe the SS claim to begin with

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OK, but if you were scum and knew he was town would you have believed it?

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Because am I correct in saying that you didn't believe it because you thought he was scum?

Pedit: Oh, maybe there's another game or smth?

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Thank you Dave.

I don't know how much you read at EoD yesterday, but would you have believed the SS claim if you were scum?

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But I mean when he reiterates it? If you're scum that sounds town trueclaim no?

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Penguin you do keep not addressing my question.

You SR Awestfie (wrongly) so you think she didn't believe the SS claim, EVEN THOUGH it was reiterated by TLK and sounded reasonably true to me.

Can you not see why this makes your SR pretty dodgy?

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VOTE: Una

Oh goddamn is this a town response.

I feel like not having an idea about this kind of thing is my biggest failure at mafia.

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*Meant to quote PP

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Not posting until midnight tomorrow.

You're welcome.

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Don’t vote Una

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I don't normally do read lists but I feel like one so..

Roster Awestfie Bomba Vorkuta

RCE

Skygazer Lunar Eclipe Dr Easy Bake

Emperor flippyNips Ceejayvinoya Powerpuff Girls Baezu

Davesaz PenguinPower

Yes I'm not as pretty as Awestfie

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I don't town read Una at all (actually think he's scum).

You really should agree with me on this, but whatever.

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I am very tempted to throw Baezu into the prob-scum pile.

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But that would make Penguin more townie, so IDK if I’m just being paranoid.

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Baezu’s most recent post...I don’t think she calls out a scumpartner like that.

I know you would though, so it is possible.

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Yeah you’re probably right.

In other news I just read her ISO and I wanna vote there more than Penguin.

VOTE: Baezu

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They might not be lovers in the game state but I still trust their judgement.

Why?

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She would have to either be physic or a hacker (or boon in disguise) to be scum here (*prot-town 3rd parties not excepting).

We were just scum together in panic room, this is part of the reason I have so much respect for her.

We also don’t play like this at all if we’re scum.

Now can you just join our town bloc and roflstomp the game?

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Trust me.

It does make sense, and it's not because of her play.

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I feel like Baezu is just scum.

Awestfie, what you’re talking about doesn’t clear him sure but it doesn’t condemn him either and for me that’s always +town equity.

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It’s entirely possible you are one of the people I always read wrongly.

Why are you town?

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VOTE: Una

Very well.

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You think the sticky fruit vendor is likely to be scum because there’s a town fruit vendor?

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Yes there is only a couple of people who might do it, so I agree that Una is most likely scum.

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*who might do it as town

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So you’re claiming you didn’t give the fruit?

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I’m so confused

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Why did you crumb Vorkuta?

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townLOCKING awestfie/Vorkuta.

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Full claim btw. How many shots (we thought you were softing 2-shot before)?

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I yeah I don’t believe you.

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Why did you make that crumb?

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Yeah Una is scum.

Can we lynch this please?

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I’m never going to believe Awestfie is lying here so you need to come up with something pretty special.

Pedit: I thought you were crumbing double JK lol

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Probably rolecopped you.

Vorkuta why did you say Una was town?

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Indeed.

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Want to hear why I asked who thinks Vork is locktown?
I claimed scum!Traitor to him in the PT.
I said I don't know who my allies are, but they would reveal themselves to me.
And yet he didn't come to this thread and out me immediately afterwards?
So I have reason to believe Vork is more than likely scum.
Possibly a 3rd party, because he asked me about it too.

This is next-level bullshitting.

Pedit: Although it might mean he is actually informed traitor. That would make sense.

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Oh no I believe he added you to a PT. Just not that you told him you were traitor

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Sure we’ll wait for him.

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I think Una’s traitor and he’s trying to out all the info to his buddies tbh.

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Yeah Vork don’t confirm or deny. Una is caught scum.

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You see, I'm fine with this situation.
If Vorkuta says I'm lying - you lynch me. -> I flip Arcanist Sorcerer -> people can start questioning some/all of the stuff awe and Vork have been saying.

If you're town, why are you fine with this? I'm finding it difficult to believe that you view this as a good thing. This puts us in an awful situation and also narrows down our options completely.

Hey can you vote Bomba?

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VOTE: Una.

Thanks.

You’re the best <3

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Ah well it was reasonably obvious anyway.

If you got the doctor or babysitter shot please use it on me tonight.

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I’m the sorcerer.

Now please die <3.

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Do you really think there’s 2 soccerers in this game?

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I mean it says ‘THE’ sorcerer’s apprentice.

I got Awestfie and Vorkuta from Bomba. I crumbed it in my first post today.

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Why capitalise LOCKING?

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Yeah I know it says that but you are also ‘A’ superpower ninja. Does that mean there’s necessarily more than one?

Anyway you’re scum. Maybe you’re the Nercomanxer version of me.

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Do you seriously think we have 2 sorcerers?

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Also I think the other sorcerer would also have a secret lover who knows who they are.

I hope you had fun Una

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Nah you’ve done the best you could do.

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Anyway I’m not going to engage with this any more, ta ta bye

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RCE this is mechanical.

I’m not going to post any more unless you need to ask questions.

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FWIW I believe una, and it doesn’t look good for awestfie

Wot.

Awestfie claimed this D1.

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If there was another sorcerer I would expect them to have a 1-way lover since I do.

Since nobody has claimed this I think Una is almost certainly lying. Now the fact that he had my role correct means he has info about it somewhere, and I suspect this means that he is the sorcerer’s apprentice, but turned evil (dabbled in Necromancy), or something like that.

I don’t think that was a gambit, I think it was scum fishing (and possibly he is actually a traitor which would fit).

Pedit: There are no mod lies. So if Awestfie is lying about that she is scum. But she’s not.

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I don’t, not for sure.

But her role is definitely real (since she basically told me I was the sorcerer before any softing) and I find it extraordinarily hard to believe that role is scum.

3rd party sure is possible, but it probably involves keeping me alive so it reasonably pro-town if that was the case.

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Una’s lover should put themselves if they exist, because we are well past the point of no return with this.

Also I’m pretty sure it’s only 1-way so I don’t die if she does.

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I think he’s also just scum. I don’t know if Boon traitor needs to know, and he may also just be groupscum ofc.

There’s no way there’s 2 sorcerers but one doesn’t have a lover.

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Well if we’re going to lynch a town sorcerer then I would think their lover would have the decency to out since they’ll die too.

I’m happy to wait for the replacements though if you’re worried.

Pedit: I do have a brain lunar. I will shut up with this now.

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Oh no you guys added 6 pages while I was away for an hour! Im going to get mad at you for spamming

In about 1 hour I’m going to make a post with all the reasons it’s obviously Una.

If you still decide it’s me then please say why

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Awestfie stop. You’ll never convince him like this.

Talk to me Vorkuta and I’ll explain it all best I can.

Btw remorse does not equal town.

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I’m not. Give me 10mins Vorkuta.

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Please read this carefully and ask me absolutely anything you want. I will never call you stupid.

To recap: Roles claimed are:

-Bomba - 2-shot sorcerer (combined watcher/tracker. Tracked or watched isn't specified)
-Roster - sorcerer (not saying if shots/how many/odds or evens)
-Awestfie - miller sorcerer's lover. Knows that I am the sorcerer and that I am town. I am virtually 100% sure this is true because of 1425 as she mentioned the word 'sorcerer' without me ever sorting it. I struggle to believe that mafia would be given a role where they know which town player possesses potentially the most important role in the game, even if they have a lover attached to it.

Claimed results:

-I targeted Bomba last night and saw got Awestfie and Vorkuta. Crumbed 1170 - see the random full stop after Vorkuta? This is also why I voted off Bomba after you said to - I thought you might have gotten an inno on him or some such.
-Bomba targeted Awestfie and got no result.
-Awestfie got a sticky fruit (rolestop).

Now I don't particularly doubt that Bomba has the combined tracker/watcher role but I don't think he's a sorcerer (at least not a town one). Why?

Well I have a lover and it seems like Bomba does not. That doesn't really make sense, no? If we were both sorcerer's I would expect for us both to be lovers.

Also I am not a 2-shot sorcerer. I will not say further, but I would have expected our roles to be the same (or one odd and one even) if they both existed for town.

Now this setup is NOT multi ball (the rules say so) and I think a 2-man 3P would count as that, but to confirm:

Boon: No multi ball means no 3P factions larger than 1, correct?

Now why believe me over Bomba? Well the whole Awestfie sorcerer thing was stated on D1 and I really don't see why scum setups up this 2v1 gambit. I just doesn't make sense. If we're scum we are quite possibly the worst scum players of all time for making that decision.

Any questions?

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And yes if Bomba flips town for some reason I fully expect to get lynched but I will try my hardest not to.

But that would be an exceptionally terrible decision for scum to make.

Also Bomba, why didn't you call out Awestfie D1 when clearly the Sorcerer's lover thing was pointed at me?

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How do we reconcile FireFaction/Hood/PR vs Necromancers?

Honestly I have no idea. I got no flavour related to that kind of thing.

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But there could be a SK/lone 3P with killing ability?

So anyone thinking me and Awestfie are 3P together are wrong.

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Crumbed 1170

This should be 1770

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There's a ridiculous amount of town power if both claims are true. The lover pairs would help ease that IMO, so I would say there almost should be for balance reasons alone.

What makes far more sense to me is that Una is my 'apprentice' (I'm just going to out this - I'm 3 shot, and he's claimed 2) but turned evil and joined the nercomancers being the flavour idea.

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I believe the answer to that question is yes, and maybe something to do with that explains the scorch and the fire hood thing.

But it’s definitely not Awestfie or to do with this argument.

Btw I don’t think anyone noticed how Flippy joined the wagon on me but it was scummy af. I wouldn’t particularly object to lynching there.

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Hey girls do you have an opinion of the sorcerer thing?

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roster would fit the mold of buddying awestfie

Awestfie’s role states that I am town, so no...

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Girls I know Awestfie can do hard bussing with infinite anger but hot damn that’s a hot take.

So you think she was given a role where she was informed about my role and who I was, and was scum?

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Hey Baezu she stopped posting ty.

But I mean informed about who has a specific role? It seems like the whole game is then set up to be ‘scum buddies sorcerer, tries to deepwolf’

Doesn’t feel right to me.

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Look I can see why you feel like that. It's not cool to say things like that, but I don't think it makes her scum, and it certainly doesn't make me scum over Bomba (and if you're one of the gals this could all be scum theatre).

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Nobody is thinking this

That's literally what everyone talking about the Scorch was saying but ok..

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Oh you mean me and Awestfie as 3P. I think you said it.

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It’s not ridiculously overpowered if awe is mafia

Does it seem feasible to you that Mafia have someone who knows who the sorcerer is (which is a pretty powerful role, and from the game's name it might all be based around this?).

If it is indeed a lover then there is only one way to play - which is by buddying me to death. Now granted she did this (and I was surprised by the early claims etc), but I would think there should be multiple ways to approach the setup for scum.

A one-way lover knowing exactly what my role is seems normal to me, tbh. It would be odd otherwise.

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Ignore the first point, you just answered it.

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If it is indeed a lover then there is only one way to play - which is by buddying me to death. Now granted she did this (and I was surprised by the early claims etc), but I would think there should be multiple ways to approach the setup for scum.

Is kind of the rebutt. It is weaker than what I was saying before, I'll grant you.

Dave my original position was that 3P Awestfie would be protown.

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@rost6er: Regardless of any other details, you do know that "I can't believe scum could get this role" isn't even worth the time reading it to me. Right? I mean, if I recall correctly you were there in that game with the master/puppet trick. Now I know you and awest are two different players for real, but the argument itself is weak sauce to me.


@rost6er: Regardless of any other details, you do know that "I can't believe scum could get this role" isn't even worth the time reading it to me. Right? I mean, if I recall correctly you were there in that game with the master/puppet trick. Now I know you and awest are two different players for real, but the argument itself is weak sauce to me.

I was disappointed nobody else here was playing that because a lot of my shitposts related to unstable .

That was a bastard game though, this isn’t. So it’s a stronger argument here

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I also think scum!Sorc would be ridiculously strong.
Potentially outing 2PRs every night.

It depends if there’s a trillion visiting roles which there does appear to be.

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Please read this carefully and ask me absolutely anything you want. I will never call you stupid.

To recap: Roles claimed are:

-Bomba - 2-shot sorcerer (combined watcher/tracker. Tracked or watched isn't specified)
-Roster - sorcerer (not saying if shots/how many/odds or evens)
-Awestfie - miller sorcerer's lover. Knows that I am the sorcerer and that I am town. I am virtually 100% sure this is true because of 1425 as she mentioned the word 'sorcerer' without me ever sorting it. I struggle to believe that mafia would be given a role where they know which town player possesses potentially the most important role in the game, even if they have a lover attached to it.

Claimed results:

-I targeted Bomba last night and saw got Awestfie and Vorkuta. Crumbed 1170 - see the random full stop after Vorkuta? This is also why I voted off Bomba after you said to - I thought you might have gotten an inno on him or some such.
-Bomba targeted Awestfie and got no result.
-Awestfie got a sticky fruit (rolestop).

Now I don't particularly doubt that Bomba has the combined tracker/watcher role but I don't think he's a sorcerer (at least not a town one). Why?

Well I have a lover and it seems like Bomba does not. That doesn't really make sense, no? If we were both sorcerer's I would expect for us both to be lovers.

Also I am not a 2-shot sorcerer. I will not say further, but I would have expected our roles to be the same (or one odd and one even) if they both existed for town.

Now this setup is NOT multi ball (the rules say so) and I think a 2-man 3P would count as that, but to confirm:

Boon: No multi ball means no 3P factions larger than 1, correct?

Now why believe me over Bomba? Well the whole Awestfie sorcerer thing was stated on D1 and I really don't see why scum setups up this 2v1 gambit. I just doesn't make sense. If we're scum we are quite possibly the worst scum players of all time for making that decision.

Any questions?

Hey A50 this posts sums up the claims.

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You know that feeling you get why you feel like everything you’ve believed so far in the game is a lie..

Yeah that’s me rn.

Awestfie help me. I know Occamn’s razor says that Bomba is just scum but I can’t shake this feeling that we’re wrong.

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Although I will say this: Anyone who believes I’m not sorcerer has way too much respect for me and Awestfie’s planning skills.

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Well the initial wagon on me said otherwise .

We were playing scum together in panic room at the same time as the start of the game, so of course there’s a chance there to see if she can find a way to manipulate me.

I do think this is just way too complicated a solution though, and the simplest (and most correct) answer is that Bomba is just scum.

Although if he does flip town then lynching Awestfie seems more sensible than lynching me I suppose.

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Tbh I’m more down with flippy, but Baezu is scum material too.

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Why are you indifferent?

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I mean you can form your own independent reas on Baezu, no? There’s reasonable enough content there.

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Anyway I have a more important question to you: What do you think of Flippy’s response to this whole sorcerer thing?

I have some feeling he’s extremely happy because this is TvT.

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So yeah

VOTE: Flippy

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I never said she was. Why is she null to you?

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I’ve missed a lot & probably don’t plan on doing a big catch up. It looks like rosters meant to die, I have no issue with that.

This was completely innacurate and I think is eager to try to get one lynch then the other.

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Baezu is possible scum basically purely because she was disagreeing with a lot of the sorcerer stuff when there was less reason to.

You are much worse though.

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When you realise just how ridiculous it was that you could push this mislynch sure.

I’m not moving on though.

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Nicu.

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It was taking off when you joined.

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VOTE: roster

I’ve missed a lot & probably don’t plan on doing a big catch up. It looks like rosters meant to die, I have no issue with that.

VOTE: roster

You just happen to magically appear at the moment when it seems like you might be able to make this happen.