Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

[NanceFloor]

if i hear the word sync 1 more time

- D

[NanceFloor]

sorry i cant talk im w my crush at a classic rock show i hope u understand rc

omg omg you get it girl

- dann

[NanceFloor]

themilkcartonkid
NanceFloor
Chennis
Taly
Skygazer
Titus
Ankamius
RadiantCowbells
--------
Creature
MariaR
Clemency
Chemist1422
TimeDevil

You can’t have both Taly and Sky in your coalition. Sky is Taly’s replacement.

[NanceFloor]

NanceFloor
tmck
Ank
RC
Sky
Creature
Maria
Chemist/Clem

—————————————-

[NanceFloor]

You need to decide who's scum in that group if it fails.

I haven’t decided yet between Chemist/Clem. I could go with either. I’m pretty solid on my slot obviously/ Ank/RC/Sky and probably Creature and maybe Maria as well. I need to see more from Maria since JE was unreadable. If it fails, most likely wrong about whichever one is picked between Chem/Clem.

I honestly don’t expect it to fail, since I feel pretty confident that all 3 scum are in Ank’s POE of 5. My current POE is
Overkill11
TD
you/Titus
Chenn

I’m waffling on you again. Hated your early posts but like your coalition. Your entrance pinged me - questioned Ank’s Overki11 read, then immediately segued to her alleged “associatives” with Fuscosco. Then you wanted 1 of 4. None of that reads townie to me.

I agree with Ank’s Overki11 read, so can’t see why scum!RC ever pairs himself with them. He’s also town by play, as is Ank.

So, in the unlikely chance it fails, I probably misread either Chemist or Clem.

[NanceFloor]

themilkcartonkid is never scum
Skygazer is never scum
Creature is very unlikely scum
NanceFloor is very unlikely scum
RadiantCowbells is very unlikely scum
Clemency is very unlikely scum

MariaR is unlikely scum
Chemist1422 is unlikely scum but less confident than any of the above
chennisden and Titus are less scummy than the last three slots

is this from dance VCA or just in general?
Catching up now.

Which 8 slots do you want in your coalition?

[NanceFloor]

{0verki11, chennisden, Moongrass, Time Devil, Titus} probably contains all the scum

I feel pretty confident about this as well.

[NanceFloor]

VOTE: NanceFloor, tmck, Ank, RC, Sky, Creature, Maria, Clem

[NanceFloor]

VOTE: NanceFloor, tmck, Ank, RC, Sky, Creature, Maria, Clem

Will switch to Chemist over Clemency, if the majority prefers it.

[NanceFloor]

If this fails then the focus is immediately going to go to RC as a "deep wolf." Which I'm not sure is helpful to anyone. If we're going to give him control over an entire coalition it's not going to be as good as it can be if we're forcing him to exclude himself.

I would strongly prefer doing something similar to:

Moongrass
NanceFloor
themilkcartonkid
Skygazer
MariaR
Clemency
Ankamius
Chennisden

This is taking a leap of faith of mbaki!town. I think mbaki was town here and he obviously won't be in RC's coalition so I think it makes some sense to put him in here instead of RC.

It looks like I might be outnumbered on this opinion though.

[NanceFloor]

If this fails then the focus is immediately going to go to RC as a "deep wolf." Which I'm not sure is helpful to anyone. If we're going to give him control over an entire coalition it's not going to be as good as it can be if we're forcing him to exclude himself.

I would strongly prefer doing something similar to:

Moongrass
NanceFloor
themilkcartonkid
Skygazer
MariaR
Clemency
Ankamius
Chennisden

This is taking a leap of faith of mbaki!town. I think mbaki was town here and he obviously won't be in RC's coalition so I think it makes some sense to put him in here instead of RC.

It looks like I might be outnumbered on this opinion though.

- Dann btw

[NanceFloor]

I’m waffling on you again. Hated your early posts but like your coalition. Your entrance pinged me - questioned Ank’s Overki11 read, then immediately segued to her alleged “associatives” with Fuscosco. Then you wanted 1 of 4. None of that reads townie to me.

I'm not the type to defend myself however I do feel like this is an unfair representation based on..I'm not sure what.

I replaced into an obvious villa slot over 3000 posts in. I don't believe it's fair to expect me to solve the game on my entrance, or think it's rational to think a town replacement should have a town-like entrance. I questioned the overkill read because I genuinely wanted to understand which slots the town were focussing on. Ftr I agree with the scum reads there.

I chose 1 of 4 because from my uninformed pov, it's easier to find scum in 4 rather than have to read everbody's ISOs, I even said it could be a little early to play that card.

I read the first scum ISO and found that I wasn't a fan of the way fusc seemed to communicate more comfortably with ank than other players, particularly ones he was interacting with who have already flipped town.

I don't really care if you read me as town but if you can't see that mbaki was town then I can't really help you nor feel confident with your reads.

I ISO’d Fucosco and didn’t see this Ank connection at all. We only get to use a power one time and repicker gets to repeat one, so selecting 1 of 4 with 3 scum still left in the game, seems less than “ideal”.

Like I already stated, I’m unsure of your slot, I also feel really confident in my Ank read and your segue read like a discredt/shade on her. I also don’t understand his RC push.

[NanceFloor]

VOTE: NanceFloor, tmck, Ank, RC, Sky, Creature, Maria, Clem

Will switch to Chemist over Clemency, if the majority prefers it.

Maria should not be in it

Why not?

I’m fine with substituting Maria with Chemist but I don’t understand the opposition to Maria.

[NanceFloor]

Everyone vote that or you are openwolfing

Voting Maria is “openwolfing”?

How?

[NanceFloor]

Hes much less likely scum than the rest and he was paired with titus in dance and I dont think scum pairs themselves with scum in that case

No, that was Chenn, Clemency was paired with Creature.

[NanceFloor]

Consensus town (all coalitions should have these):
TMCK
Sky
RC
Creature
Nance
Ank

Upper PoE:
Maria
Chemist
Clem
Chenn

Lower PoE:
Moon
0ver
TD
Titus

for convenience. I'll sort the bottom two brackets by my own reads soon.

I agree with this list.

You need 1 more so add clem and vote boiiiii
Pedit oh. Still. I feel better about clem than chenn rn

My coalition will have anyone not in Ank’s POE of 5, so not voting Chenn.

Does order really matter to pass? I don’t recall reading that.

[NanceFloor]

If you include me in your coalition I'm excluding myself from mine and I promise you mine is a shit ton more likely to succeed than yours.

There are only 9 names I want in my coalition, we need 8 of those and Maria’s is getting opposition, which means that coalition can’t pass if both of you aren’t in it.

I will not vote for anyone in Ank’s POE of 5.

[NanceFloor]

If this fails then the focus is immediately going to go to RC as a "deep wolf." Which I'm not sure is helpful to anyone. If we're going to give him control over an entire coalition it's not going to be as good as it can be if we're forcing him to exclude himself.

I would strongly prefer doing something similar to:

Moongrass
NanceFloor
themilkcartonkid
Skygazer
MariaR
Clemency
Ankamius
Chennisden

This is taking a leap of faith of mbaki!town. I think mbaki was town here and he obviously won't be in RC's coalition so I think it makes some sense to put him in here instead of RC.

It looks like I might be outnumbered on this opinion though.

I don’t agree with your list. How is Chenn townier than Chemist and I’m still iffy on Moon.

[NanceFloor]

If this fails then the focus is immediately going to go to RC as a "deep wolf." Which I'm not sure is helpful to anyone.

hard agree w this

But we need 8 and excluding both RC and Maria, only leaves us 7, so one of them has to be included to pass.

[NanceFloor]

Nancy why does dann feel way different than I'm used to from him now

I don’t know what you mean exactly but we obviously haven’t discussed this, since we’re not mindmelding.

[NanceFloor]

including me will significantly hurt towns chances of winning this game if this is going to be a hard game.

I can’t exclude both you and Maria and I don’t want anyone in Ank’s POE of 5.

[NanceFloor]

VOTE: Ankamius
VOTE: Chemist1422
VOTE: Clemency
VOTE: Creature
VOTE: MariaR
VOTE: NanceFloor
VOTE: Skygazer
VOTE: themilkcartonkid

There are you happy

Alright, if RC is opposed than I’m good with this list.

VOTE: Ankimius, Chemist1422, Clemency, Creature, MariaR, NanceFloor, Skygazer, themilkcartoonkid

RC is still in my coalition in sprit.

[NanceFloor]

i haven't read a single coalition and i'll say with near 100% certainty that the coalition fails.

Based on? Which slot is wrong then?

[NanceFloor]

VOTE: Ankamius
VOTE: Chemist1422
VOTE: Clemency
VOTE: Creature
VOTE: MariaR
VOTE: NanceFloor
VOTE: Skygazer
VOTE: themilkcartonkid

There are you happy

Alright, if RC is opposed than I’m good with this list.

VOTE: Ankamius, Chemist1422, Clemency, Creature, MariaR, NanceFloor, Skygazer, themilkcartoonkid

RC is still in my coalition in sprit.

Typo.

[NanceFloor]

my coalition won't tho

this game is ez

Which read are you disputing? I am tr 9 slots including yours and you want to be excluded, so I don’t understand how your coalition differs from mine/Ank’s.

[NanceFloor]

include maria she's adorable

Cool, I never got the Maria opposition anyhow.

[NanceFloor]

I think maybe I will take a break from the thread until it's time for me to be lynched

Why would you get lynched? I’m not lynching anyone not in your POE of 5. I will hard oppose that. I admit I was unsure of you initially but you’re blatantly obvtown to me atp.

[NanceFloor]

Maria because je was really gross

Obnoxious /= scummy and I tr FL. Maria hasn’t done anything scummy.

[NanceFloor]

won't oppose MariaR actually, I think we win anyway.

+1

I think voting anyone in that group of 9, including RC gets us the win.

Yeah, if RC is sr Ank, he’s just flat out wrong.

[NanceFloor]

Who was Titus paired with?

Chenn.

[NanceFloor]

VOTE: Ankamius
VOTE: Chemist1422
VOTE: Clemency
VOTE: Creature
VOTE: MariaR
VOTE: NanceFloor
VOTE: Skygazer
VOTE: themilkcartonkid

There are you happy

Alright, if RC is opposed than I’m good with this list.

VOTE: Ankimius, Chemist1422, Clemency, Creature, MariaR, NanceFloor, Skygazer, themilkcartoonkid

RC is still in my coalition in sprit.

Yea this coalition is fine

- Dann

[NanceFloor]

Nancy why does dann feel way different than I'm used to from him now

I am not that invested in this game \o/

and I'm really sorry about that

- Dann

[NanceFloor]

Can someone explain why ank is obvtowning here? Not that I dont townread, but I would like to learn more and get better reads

She's not obv town but I'm too apathetic to not town read her apathy

I would say this is very different from how I'd expect scum!her to play this game but I can't really say I should be able to confidently read her

- Dann

[NanceFloor]

That's possible

I do expect scum to be more directly trying to influence the game at this point though? I feel like this is a setup in which that is required otherwise you're hoping to just luck out and win in an otherwise town-sided setup

- Dann

[NanceFloor]

Can someone explain why ank is obvtowning here? Not that I dont townread, but I would like to learn more and get better reads

If you’ve ever played with scum!Ank before, you’d know this isn’t it. Scum!Ank’s reads aren’t nuanced or deep. She seems off somehow and I can’t see a world where scum!Ank is mindmelding with me this much. It’s subtle if you don’t know what to look for but I bet money, this is town!Ank we’re seeing here.

[NanceFloor]

VOTE: switch RC with MariaR

You people are driving me nuts with all of your flipflopping on RC/Maria. I am definitely more confident in RC town but I really don’t think Maria is scum. Like I keep saying, as long as we vote 8/9 players, which include both RC/Maria, I think we win.

[NanceFloor]

Thinking we should try to flip one scum first if this coalition fails.

Overki11 would be my #1 pick.

[NanceFloor]

We cant because we wont get to coalition again. We have to veto. We have a couple options, but we should talk about them later

Coalition
Selectable only with

less than 3 Mafia dead

.

We can still coalition with 2 dead scum.

[NanceFloor]

Can someone explain why ank is obvtowning here? Not that I dont townread, but I would like to learn more and get better reads

She's not obv town but I'm too apathetic to not town read her apathy

I would say this is very different from how I'd expect scum!her to play this game but I can't really say I should be able to confidently read her

- Dann

This apathy talk seems disingenuous. Not from everyone, but from at least 1 of the people doing it.

You aren’t familiar with Ank’s play. Apathy is totally NAI for her and yes, real.

[NanceFloor]

That's possible

I do expect scum to be more directly trying to influence the game at this point though? I feel like this is a setup in which that is required otherwise you're hoping to just luck out and win in an otherwise town-sided setup

- Dann

The only one so far not going along with it is Overki11. Titus probably won’t either. Scum could just be giving up.

[NanceFloor]

VOTE: switch RC with MariaR

You people are driving me nuts with all of your flipflopping on RC/Maria. I am definitely more confident in RC town but I really don’t think Maria is scum. Like I keep saying, as long as we vote 8/9 players, which include both RC/Maria, I think we win.

I want to see where is that MariaR resistance coming from.

VOTE: NanceFloor, tmck, Ank, RC, Sky, Creature, Maria, Clem

Will switch to Chemist over Clemency, if the majority prefers it.

Maria should not be in it

Maria because je was really gross

[NanceFloor]

Can someone explain why ank is obvtowning here? Not that I dont townread, but I would like to learn more and get better reads

If you’ve ever played with scum!Ank before, you’d know this isn’t it. Scum!Ank’s reads aren’t nuanced or deep. She seems off somehow and I can’t see a world where scum!Ank is mindmelding with me this much. It’s subtle if you don’t know what to look for but I bet money, this is town!Ank we’re seeing here.

I don't feel like I'm out of my scumrange in nuance

Your reads are more surfacey as scum, do you dispute this?

[NanceFloor]

who did mariaR replace

JE who replaced FL.

[NanceFloor]

Thinking we should try to flip one scum first if this coalition fails.

Overki11 would be my #1 pick.

Yeh, feels like he pretty much gave up.

However I wonder if we should look for one less obvious scum.

TD then.

Other than that, I think last scum is between Moon/Titus/Chenn.

[NanceFloor]

Titus would be an interesting venge target.

The main problem with Venge, is that we can’t vote on that but yeah, preferably venge is chosen from Ank’s POE of 5.

[NanceFloor]

I actually think it's possible that TD is not scum and we do have a deepwolf. I have a few picked out

we arent putting mariar in a coalition

Then who is going into the coalition

We can’t exclude BOTH Maria and RC, if we don’t want it to fail.

[NanceFloor]

the only way town loses this is if we lose faith in me being town.

So why can’t we include you in the coalition? If we can’t get a majority consensus with Maria in it, then no one is objecting other than you, to your inclusion in it.

[NanceFloor]

VOTE: Ankamius, Chemist1422, Clemency, Creature, NanceFloor, RadiantCowbells, Skygazer, themilkcartonkid


Fine. I hope all of you Maria haters are good with this.

[NanceFloor]

b/c if i'm in both coalitions and the coalitions fail people are going to immediately assume it failed because i was scum.

then i can't get protected, then i end up dying, then you guys have shit reads and throw the game.

Well then you have to sell more people on Maria town. I’m fine with including her but the majority has to agree or it won’t pass.

[NanceFloor]

Nope.UNVOTE:

What’s your objection now? I thought you didn’t want Maria in it.

[NanceFloor]

VOTE: Ankamius
VOTE: Chemist1422
VOTE: Clemency
VOTE: Creature
VOTE: MariaR
VOTE: NanceFloor
VOTE: Skygazer
VOTE: themilkcartonkid

There are you happy

Alright, if RC is opposed than I’m good with this list.

VOTE: Ankimius, Chemist1422, Clemency, Creature, MariaR, NanceFloor, Skygazer, themilkcartoonkid

RC is still in my coalition in sprit.

VOTE: Ankamius, Chemist1422, Clemency, Creature, NanceFloor, RadiantCowbells, Skygazer, themilkcartonkid


Fine. I hope all of you Maria haters are good with this.

When you people make up your goddamned minds whether you want RC or Maria in this coalition, let me know. Kthanx.

[NanceFloor]

I haven't tried to find the answer

I'm not wasting time playing this game until this coalition fails

Don’t you mean IF?

If

it fails?

[NanceFloor]

So the fact that nancefloor includes moon in their townreads is very sus and if this coalition fails I would like to see her in veto with td, ok, and moon.

What? I’m not. I’ve stated repeatedly that I don’t want coalition from Ank’s POE of 5.

And no because scum would just kill me.

[NanceFloor]

Thinking we should try to flip one scum first if this coalition fails.

Overki11 would be my #1 pick.

Yeh, feels like he pretty much gave up.

However I wonder if we should look for one less obvious scum.

TD then.

Other than that, I think last scum is between Moon/Titus/Chenn.

Titus would be an interesting venge target.

The main problem with Venge, is that we can’t vote on that but yeah, preferably venge is chosen from Ank’s POE of 5.

I actually think it's possible that TD is not scum and we do have a deepwolf. I have a few picked out

we arent putting mariar in a coalition

Then who is going into the coalition

We can’t exclude BOTH Maria and RC, if we don’t want it to fail.

Why are you misrepping my posts @tmck?

[NanceFloor]

So the fact that nancefloor includes moon in their townreads is very sus and if this coalition fails I would like to see her in veto with td, ok, and moon.

Read my fucking posts. That was Dann and he eventually agreed with my coalition choice.

[NanceFloor]

Spoiler:

Vote Count 3.1.0

Not Voting (14):

RadiantCowbells

,

Moongrass, Time Devil

,

themilkcartonkid, Ankamius, Creature, Skygazer, MariaR

,

Clemency,

NanceFloor

,

chennisden

,

Chemist1422

, 0verki11,

Titus

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to select a power.

The deadline for choosing a power is 21 May 12:00am UTC-4, or in (expired on 2019-05-21 00:00:00)

Mod notes:
Day 3 has begun!

We only need 8 right. We leave out Overkill11/TD/Moongrass/ Chenn/Titus and either Chemist or Clem. If it fails, than probably one of those two is scum, I think. I feel pretty good about the other 7 being town.

NanceFloor
tmck
Ank
RC
Sky
Creature
Maria
Chemist/Clem

—————————————-

{0verki11, chennisden, Moongrass, Time Devil, Titus} probably contains all the scum

I feel pretty confident about this as well.

VOTE: NanceFloor, tmck, Ank, RC, Sky, Creature, Maria, Clem

VOTE: NanceFloor, tmck, Ank, RC, Sky, Creature, Maria, Clem

Will switch to Chemist over Clemency, if the majority prefers it.

If you include me in your coalition I'm excluding myself from mine and I promise you mine is a shit ton more likely to succeed than yours.

There are only 9 names I want in my coalition, we need 8 of those and Maria’s is getting opposition, which means that coalition can’t pass if both of you aren’t in it.

I will not vote for anyone in Ank’s POE of 5.

including me will significantly hurt towns chances of winning this game if this is going to be a hard game.

I can’t exclude both you and Maria and I don’t want anyone in Ank’s POE of 5.

VOTE: Ankamius
VOTE: Chemist1422
VOTE: Clemency
VOTE: Creature
VOTE: MariaR
VOTE: NanceFloor
VOTE: Skygazer
VOTE: themilkcartonkid

There are you happy

Alright, if RC is opposed than I’m good with this list.

VOTE: Ankimius, Chemist1422, Clemency, Creature, MariaR, NanceFloor, Skygazer, themilkcartoonkid

RC is still in my coalition in sprit.

i haven't read a single coalition and i'll say with near 100% certainty that the coalition fails.

Based on? Which slot is wrong then?

VOTE: Ankamius
VOTE: Chemist1422
VOTE: Clemency
VOTE: Creature
VOTE: MariaR
VOTE: NanceFloor
VOTE: Skygazer
VOTE: themilkcartonkid

There are you happy

Alright, if RC is opposed than I’m good with this list.

VOTE: Ankamius, Chemist1422, Clemency, Creature, MariaR, NanceFloor, Skygazer, themilkcartoonkid

RC is still in my coalition in sprit.

Typo.

my coalition won't tho

this game is ez

Which read are you disputing? I am tr 9 slots including yours and you want to be excluded, so I don’t understand how your coalition differs from mine/Ank’s.

VOTE: Ankamius
VOTE: Chemist1422
VOTE: Clemency
VOTE: Creature
VOTE: MariaR
VOTE: NanceFloor
VOTE: Skygazer
VOTE: themilkcartonkid

There are you happy

Alright, if RC is opposed than I’m good with this list.

VOTE: Ankimius, Chemist1422, Clemency, Creature, MariaR, NanceFloor, Skygazer, themilkcartoonkid

RC is still in my coalition in sprit.

Yea this coalition is fine

- Dann

Titus would be an interesting venge target.

The main problem with Venge, is that we can’t vote on that but yeah, preferably venge is chosen from Ank’s POE of 5.

VOTE: Ankamius, Chemist1422, Clemency, Creature, NanceFloor, RadiantCowbells, Skygazer, themilkcartonkid


Fine. I hope all of you Maria haters are good with this.

Thinking we should try to flip one scum first if this coalition fails.

Overki11 would be my #1 pick.

Yeh, feels like he pretty much gave up.

However I wonder if we should look for one less obvious scum.

TD then.

Other than that, I think last scum is between Moon/Titus/Chenn.

@tmck , please explain your blatantly obvious reading comprehension issues to me, kthanx.

[NanceFloor]

If this fails then the focus is immediately going to go to RC as a "deep wolf." Which I'm not sure is helpful to anyone. If we're going to give him control over an entire coalition it's not going to be as good as it can be if we're forcing him to exclude himself.

I would strongly prefer doing something similar to:

Moongrass
NanceFloor
themilkcartonkid
Skygazer
MariaR
Clemency
Ankamius
Chennisden

This is taking a leap of faith of mbaki!town. I think mbaki was town here and he obviously won't be in RC's coalition so I think it makes some sense to put him in here instead of RC.

It looks like I might be outnumbered on this opinion though.

If this fails then the focus is immediately going to go to RC as a "deep wolf." Which I'm not sure is helpful to anyone. If we're going to give him control over an entire coalition it's not going to be as good as it can be if we're forcing him to exclude himself.

I would strongly prefer doing something similar to:

Moongrass
NanceFloor
themilkcartonkid
Skygazer
MariaR
Clemency
Ankamius
Chennisden

This is taking a leap of faith of mbaki!town. I think mbaki was town here and he obviously won't be in RC's coalition so I think it makes some sense to put him in here instead of RC.

It looks like I might be outnumbered on this opinion though.

I don’t agree with your list. How is Chenn townier than Chemist and I’m still iffy on Moon.

I did, but Dan is still in your hydra, my point stands

No it doesn’t and you’re being dumb here.

[NanceFloor]

Because he wants to have more than 1 scum on coalition so as not to be "the scum that made coalition fail"

Moon isn’t even in my freaking coalition. Are you always this dense? Serious question.

[NanceFloor]

VOTE: Ankamius, Chemist1422, Clemency, Creature, NanceFloor, RadiantCowbells, Skygazer, themilkcartonkid


Fine. I hope all of you Maria haters are good with this.

Where is Moon here @tmck?

[NanceFloor]

Because he wants to have more than 1 scum on coalition so as not to be "the scum that made coalition fail"

Why would I not just let RC be in it and let him take the deep wolf fall if it fails

I never individually scum read mbaki this game

Obviously I'm kinda alone in that

And no I'm not FL, different Dan

- Dann

[NanceFloor]

Dann just told me he prefers Maria over RC for precisely the reasons RC gave and that we need to trust in RC town.

By we=all of us.

[NanceFloor]

Because he wants to have more than 1 scum on coalition so as not to be "the scum that made coalition fail"

Moon isn’t even in my freaking coalition. Are you always this dense? Serious question.

[NanceFloor]

did

a single player

suggest putting nancefloor in veto

The apparently reading comprehension challenged repicker.

[NanceFloor]

Veto: people who don't think i'm the cutest

I can get aboard that.

[NanceFloor]

i think we should veto nancefloor

You would stop being cute to me then.

[NanceFloor]

[NanceFloor]

Seriously no coloring help while I am busy. No drunk VCA for you.

[NanceFloor]

And here I am hating town and only liking scum

I like scum only when I have agreeable and/or good teammates. I hate it when paired with ABRs.

Town lets me improve my reading people skills for juries and investigations but by far it's harder.

No scum is, because you’re forced to constantly be deceptive. VT is actually the best role, because it’s the least stressful.

[NanceFloor]

whats an abr

Albert B. Rampage, he called our teammates retarded and was an all around asshole.

Sorry @tmck, I didn’t mean to suggest you were being dumb only that your analysis was whack.

[NanceFloor]

And here I am hating town and only liking scum

I like scum only when I have agreeable and/or good teammates. I hate it when paired with ABRs.

Town lets me improve my reading people skills for juries and investigations but by far it's harder.

No scum is, because you’re forced to constantly be deceptive. VT is actually the best role, because it’s the least stressful.

Scum you don't have to lie at all but for I'm town. You got your babies to protect and pass for the masonry. Good scum lie little, which is why RC and I are good at it.

Sure you do. You have to give false reads to make mislynches, unless it’s multiball or you’re a 3P.

[NanceFloor]

whats an abr

Albert B. Rampage, he called our teammates retarded and was an all around asshole.

Sorry @tmck, I didn’t mean to suggest you were being dumb only that your analysis was whack.

Hey we can work past it and make being town awesome.

Make Town Great Again.

[NanceFloor]

And here I am hating town and only liking scum

I like scum only when I have agreeable and/or good teammates. I hate it when paired with ABRs.

Town lets me improve my reading people skills for juries and investigations but by far it's harder.

No scum is, because you’re forced to constantly be deceptive. VT is actually the best role, because it’s the least stressful.

Scum you don't have to lie at all but for I'm town. You got your babies to protect and pass for the masonry. Good scum lie little, which is why RC and I are good at it.

Sure you do. You have to give false reads to make mislynches, unless it’s multiball or you’re a 3P.

Again, not hard. I could argue anyone but tmck is scum. Give me a name and I can case em.

I usually sr people who sr anyone I think is obvtown for reasons that don’t make sense to me. That’s why scum needs NKs, to kill unlynchable obvtown.

[NanceFloor]

ok ok i counterclaim repicker i am the real repicker tmck is confirmed scum

okapoka must also be scum because he tmid the knowledge that tmck was fake

so we have guilties on okapoka and tmck

gg

i am lmao

- Dann

[NanceFloor]

that would be an incorrect read ma'am

- dann

[NanceFloor]

I don’t understand the ordering but I really don’t think it matters. I still preferred my original coalition choice - the one with both RC and Maria but this probably succeeds as well.

[NanceFloor]

Damn mafiascum is slow today.

Anyway!

The coalition of

Ankamius, Chemist1422, Clemency, Creature, NanceFloor, RadiantCowbells, Skygazer, themilkcartonkid

has been selected!

This coalition has...

Spoiler:

FAILED!

Night 3 begins now and will end in (expired on 2019-05-15 19:00:00). PM BulletNLynchproof if you want a fast night.

You guys should have gone with my original coalition. I put Maria in dark green for a reason.

[NanceFloor]

when u look at that list of people supporting the coalition
why do u ever think that's gonna be a win

The names on it were garbo and it was pushed through before my VCA. :/

That's like the third thing rushed through over my objection to slow things down.

Before anyone asks, I still SR Nancy hydra. Yet, this is a pragmatic choice. Scum are not likely to shoot themselves. This includes the most whiny town and scum suspects to force scum to either improve morale and limit the pool or b shoot one of themselves.

VOTE: veto

Tmck can you verify we don't have to do coalition back to back?

How does your VCA have us as scum ever?

[NanceFloor]

I do wonder if we use ok and td to force an elimination of two people. Take for example if we did scum!chem town!clem scum!overkill and scum!TD. They would be forced to kill 1 scum member and we would for sure know the other two. Alternatively we do scum!chem town!clem scum!overkill and town!td they would be forced to leave kill td, one of your biggest srs and we would know the other two are scum. Although this doesn't work if we dont pick at least two scum, I think it gives us a better shot then just picking the bottom four slots of our og coalition. Thoughts?

Overkill11
TD
Chemist
Chenn?

[NanceFloor]

I'm going to reach put here, titus, is there a world where rc is scum?

You’re asking Titus, the person who was lock convinced BEF was scum?

[NanceFloor]

VOTE: Veto

That coalition was too big to fail, but it did.

RC is going into the next coalition, he is pretty much town at this point.

Considering this, the D3 coalition is likely this (green = coalitionable):

Ankamius

,

Chemist1422

,

Clemency

,

Creature

,

NanceFloor

,

RadiantCowbells

,

Skygazer

,

themilkcartonkid

-TL

How tf do you have 4 red slots?

And how is Sky ever scum here? Taly was bleeding obvtown. I don’t understand Ank either

[NanceFloor]

like I don't see how I can be very far off, like adding chennisden to my PoE list and confscumming him because of the coalition is literally where I'm at

chennisden + Time Devil + 0verki11

One of these obviously has to be wrong. We know there’s at least one scum in the coalition. I’m leaning Chemist.

Why did you suddenly switch the order of the POE with Chenn and Overkill11? How is Overkill11 suddenly the towniest of those three?

Overkill11’s weird D1 BEF push never comes from town.

[NanceFloor]

Here are the pairings for the Dance:

Player 1	Player 2
RadiantCowbells	0verki11
mbaki	NanceFloor
OkaPoka	BrightEyedFish
Time Devil	themilkcartonkid
Ankamius	Clemency
Creature	Chemist1422
Taly	JohnnyEnglish
chennisden	Titus

this fits like every criteria I have for what scum did for dance

Why isn’t anyone in the coalition in your POE? You know that one of these 3 has to be wrong, so why isn’t your current POE taking this into account?

[NanceFloor]

or alternatively

you could play the game instead of trying to brute force everybody to bend to your will for no reason other than your name

???

RC wasn’t even involved in coalition vote.

[NanceFloor]

At the end of D1, Clemency with Overkill has high viability

Why Clem over Chemist?

In Necromancer, there was this mechanic which scum controlled, called “harmless zombie. That’s how I knew Brass was lockscum in it. Well, scum!Overkill11 would have to know by now that no one would sheep him on BEF lynch. RC was yelling at us for voting Creature/Chemist because alleged bussing but he really shouldn’t have, because if Overkill11 is scum like I believe he is, he voted Creature/Chemist and didn’t support the coalition, so everyone would do the converse. So, if Overkill11 is scum, high chance one scum in Creature/Chemist and I don’t think it’s Creature.

Also, I’ve played 2 games with town!Chemist and he didn’t detail case anyone in either of those games. Chances are, his reads may be accurate.

[NanceFloor]

I would veto {MariaR, Clemency, 0verkill, Timedevil}

I really think Maria is town though. I don’t even understand why anyone thinks she’s scummy.

[NanceFloor]

Based on dance partners vote day, Creature Chemist likely contains the last scum

I think the apocalypse just happened.

[NanceFloor]

0verkill/Moon/Time/Chenn would be mine

Problem with this, is none of them were in coalition. Without one slot from the coalition in this, veto is pointless.

[NanceFloor]

wasn't the whole point of using veto to clear the coalition pool

why are there so many suggestions with no coalition members

Exactly, we need to eliminate who is most likely scum from there.

Based on dance partners vote day, Creature Chemist likely contains the last scum

Chemist > Creature

Could go Chemist, Clemency, Creature, Overkill. Gets rid of LHF

I don’t think Overkill11 is LHF.

[NanceFloor]

wasn't the whole point of using veto to clear the coalition pool

why are there so many suggestions with no coalition members

what does this even mean

???

[NanceFloor]

I'm supporting an overkill/TD/chenn/x veto

until I see a damn good reason to do otherwise, I'm not supporting it

Why wouldn’t you want at least one slot from the coalition? Am I taking crazy pills here or what?

[NanceFloor]

but in that case why did we blow coalition in the first place?

yes I am

and I also strongly believe that we'd get a lot more mileage out of flipping the consensus scumreads than by doing whatever the hell we're trying to do now to sort the coalition

since

you know

we've essentially stagnated with the same reads for weeks at this point and you're advocating for us not to progress our reads at all?

I totally don’t get what you’re thinking here, Ank. We know there’s at least one scum in the coalition, so a veto with no one it, is beyond pointless.

[NanceFloor]

whatever RC

you're more important than everyone else in the game and that's all that matters

sorry like you guys had your coalition, it failed
now I want to have a shot at ending this game so no one else has to deal with this shitshow anymore and I'm being selfish?
I had 0 input on the previous coalition. that was the agreement. you didn't even exclude me like I asked. a shit coalition got passed and we're not even going to veto in it?

VOTE: Veto

PLEASE veto me

@Ank, wtf are you doing? RC isn’t responsible for coalition fail. He had nothing whatsoever to do with it. How has he controlled anything?

[NanceFloor]

like

wow

four townreads get vetoed

two townreads die

that sure does a lot for my reads!

At least one has to be from coalition or it’s pointless, do you seriously disagree with this?

[NanceFloor]

i didn't even want the dance, i just wanted to go straight into coalition. everyone insisted on narrowing the pool first and dance was better than blowing veto or venge

because I've been stuck in the same rut for like 3 weeks now and you're literally advocating for a play that will do nothing but kill two of my townreads

what exactly is the benefit of that fmpov

you

already

know

your

townreads

are

wrong

Can we do 2nd coalition today?

[NanceFloor]

I know that AT LEAST ONE of my townreads are wrong

FOR ALL I KNOW IT IS EXACTLY ONE

AND IT'S ONE OF THE TWO SLOTS I'M BARELY TOWNREADING IN THE FIRST PLACE

PUT THOSE TWO IN AND TWO BIGGER TOWNREADS AND THE TWO BIGGER TOWNREADS DIE

THEN WHAT

if we haven't found the scum in the coalition by midgame i'm going to end up lynched or revealed on paranoia. that's not happening.

cleaning up your collective mess is priority #1 here.

We put in 1 or 2 tops obviously. I think Chemist needs to be in veto. Maybe Chem/Clem? Eventhough mechanics may implicate Creature, I feel pretty good about him being town.

[NanceFloor]

hey guys

dannflor might be a deepwolf

o fuck i have been gotten

- Dann

[NanceFloor]

have i mentioned i thought that dannflor was deepwolfing

Dann hasn’t even been posting this day. If you’d read Necromancer you’d know that.

[NanceFloor]

{NanceFloor, RadiantCowbells, themilkcartonkid}
{Skygazer, Creature}
{Ankamius, Chemist1422}
{Clemency}

Not shocked by that RC col
it's gonna fail but ayyyy I'll vote it just to prove a point

??

that's not my coalition

that's my ranking of the players in the previous coalition

Why would you rank us over you and confi repicker?

[NanceFloor]

no we can't because tmck decided he didn't want to give me my coalition

[NanceFloor]

watch and learn this is the optimal deepwolf play kids

- Dann

[NanceFloor]

have i mentioned i thought that dannflor was deepwolfing

Dann hasn’t even been posting this day. If you’d read Necromancer you’d know that.

hey guys

dannflor might be a deepwolf

o fuck i have been gotten

- Dann

Just saw this.

[NanceFloor]

he's deepwoofin so hard he's not even in the thred

[NanceFloor]

I would support a veto with Creature in it btw

- Dann

[NanceFloor]

ftr nancy locktowning me is alignment neutral for her

I'd expect her as either alignment to have that read on me by now

this is actually really simple Lich

I've gone out of my scumrange multiple times this game, I

SHOULD

be a general locktown read

the fact that I'm not means that it's never going to happen, because I literally cannot do more to prove it without directly hardpushing scumlynches, which is not fucking possible since we're too far up RC's ass with mechanics to allow people to just scumhunt normally.

I'm not going to sit here and watch as I slowly get PoEd down because people are too tunnel visioned on mechanics to actually play the damn game, just get me out while flipping me isn't inherently bad for the game so that you all can fuck yourself over with mechanics and I can watch without having to deal with eventually being lynched because nobody on this site can read me

themilkcartonkid is never scum
Skygazer is never scum
Creature is very unlikely scum
NanceFloor is very unlikely scum
RadiantCowbells is very unlikely scum
Clemency is very unlikely scum

MariaR is unlikely scum
Chemist1422 is unlikely scum but less confident than any of the above
chennisden and Titus are less scummy than the last three slots

Time Devil, 0verki11, Moongrass scumreads

{Ankamius, Chemist1422, Clemency, Creature, NanceFloor, RadiantCowbells, Skygazer} --- 4-6 town, 1-3 scum
{Moongrass, Time Devil, MariaR, chennisden, 0verki11, Titus} --- 3-6 town, 0-3 scum

I'm wrong on at least 1 of my strong scumreads
if I'm wrong on one of my strong townreads, it's almost always Clemency or Creature, outside chance of NanceFloor; I don't think I'm wrong on more than one atm
MariaR and Chemist1422 can go either way, Chemist is my choice for scum out of all my townreads combined and he would fulfill the Coalition failing requirement, tbh I could see him being the one scum outside of my PoE list

You know, I do hold you partially responsible for what happened. You really have no excuse for still not being able to correctly read me here.

[NanceFloor]

I would support a veto with Creature in it btw

- Dann

I think you’re wrong about Creature.

[NanceFloor]

Veto

TD
Chenn
Chemist
Clem

I can’t see a world where Overkill11 is town. so pointless putting him into it.

Gun to head Clem and Chenn get NK’d over TD/Chemist.

[NanceFloor]

Veto

TD
Chenn
Chemist
Clem

I can’t see a world where Overkill11 is town. so pointless putting him into it.

Gun to head Clem and Chenn get NK’d over TD/Chemist.

I like throwing known scum in there bc it can force a kill if we get 3 scum

Then who do you think I should take out? Clem?

[NanceFloor]

Veto

TD
Chenn
Chemist
Clem

I can’t see a world where Overkill11 is town. so pointless putting him into it.

Gun to head Clem and Chenn get NK’d over TD/Chemist.

I like throwing known scum in there bc it can force a kill if we get 3 scum

Then who do you think I should take out? Clem?

The thing is that Chem/Clem are the least likely to be town in the failed coalition and we need both of them sorted.

[NanceFloor]

Chenn is who I'd take out

Yeah, probably good call.

So then:

Overkill11
TD
Chemist
Clem

Works for me.

[NanceFloor]

hint td isn't scum
second hint the scum in the coalition was either ank or clem
third hint if u want confscum slots to veto throw in mbaki and ok

Why are you so convinced on TD town?

[NanceFloor]

I get that I'm not

blank

and you guys have trust issues regarding both my alignment and my reads but it turns out that I'm a pretty good mafia player

I think you’re blatantly obvtown here.

[NanceFloor]

Really? You're going to shade me for not contributing?
I don't understand why RC is complaining about my lack of appearances in veto pools when he hasn't put me in his. Are you saving my lynch for later boo?

VOTE: Clemency, Chemist, MariaR, 0verkill

Maria is town.

[NanceFloor]

I'm sick too.

Am I RC and Titus?

This is troubling.

*Sends SS, RC and Titus

[NanceFloor]

Veto: Chemist, Clemency, TD, Overkill11

If both Chemist/Clemency flip green than, probably leave Ank/Creature out of 2nd coalition.

[NanceFloor]

Really? You're going to shade me for not contributing?
I don't understand why RC is complaining about my lack of appearances in veto pools when he hasn't put me in his. Are you saving my lynch for later boo?

VOTE: Clemency, Chemist, MariaR, 0verkill

Maria is town.

Maria should 100% not be in anyone’s veto list

.

[NanceFloor]

Okay, but can I ask you a question? Do you not see the scum equity for trying to shut down a conversation that could help another town?

I find you irritating. I think you're town. Couldn't care less that you keep chirping on with your bad read. Take a moment to admit you're stuck in a tunnel that no response from me is going to change.

How can he not be town? No one has seriously CC’d him.

[NanceFloor]

Nancy how do you feel about Creature in place of Overkill?

Well if Creature is town, then scum kills him along with whichever one of Chemist/Clemency is town.

I think if we can sort both Chemist/Clemency and leave out PB/Creature out of 2nd coalition, we likely win. We could also do your idea with a 2nd but I know we’re town tmck. duh and if there’s a world where RC or Sky are, we’re losing anyway.

I think 2nd coalition should have us, tmck, RC, Sky, Maria, you.

Prior to Moon’s Maria veto vote, I was unsure but Maria is one of the worst slots in this game to veto. So, I think a NanceFloor/tmck/RC/Maria/Titus coalition wins us the game.

Ank’s freakout yesterday was bad, so rn, I feel better about Creature than Ank. But since I disagree with RC on TD, I still think scum is Overki11/TD + Chemist/Clemency/Ank/Creature and in that order.

[NanceFloor]

Nancy how do you feel about Creature in place of Overkill?

Well if Creature is town, then scum kills him along with whichever one of Chemist/Clemency is town.

I think if we can sort both Chemist/Clemency and leave out PB/Creature out of 2nd coalition, we likely win. We could also do your idea with a 2nd but I know we’re town tmck. duh and if there’s a world where RC or Sky aren’t we’re losing anyway.

I think 2nd coalition should have us, tmck, RC, Sky, Maria, you.

Prior to Moon’s Maria veto vote, I was unsure but Maria is one of the worst slots in this game to veto. So, I think a NanceFloor/tmck/RC/Maria/Titus coalition wins us the game.

Ank’s freakout yesterday was bad, so rn, I feel better about Creature than Ank. But since I disagree with RC on TD, I still think scum is Overki11/TD + Chemist/Clemency/Ank/Creature and in that order.

[NanceFloor]

Okay, but can I ask you a question? Do you not see the scum equity for trying to shut down a conversation that could help another town?

I find you irritating. I think you're town. Couldn't care less that you keep chirping on with your bad read. Take a moment to admit you're stuck in a tunnel that no response from me is going to change.

How can he not be town? No one has seriously CC’d him.

RC has in jest.

Yeah I know.

[NanceFloor]

Nancy how do you feel about Creature in place of Overkill?

How do you feel about tmck in place of TD?

Are you trolling us?

[NanceFloor]

why should i argue with correct townreads on me from people that i'm not scumreading?

It seems out of character iirc.

???

[NanceFloor]

You lost me.

You said it was “out of character” for RC to accept tr on him from slots he doesn’t sr, correct?

I’m asking why you think that.

[NanceFloor]

Really? You're going to shade me for not contributing?
I don't understand why RC is complaining about my lack of appearances in veto pools when he hasn't put me in his. Are you saving my lynch for later boo?

VOTE: Clemency, Chemist, MariaR, 0verkill

Maria is town.

Maria should 100% not be in anyone’s veto list

.

@Moon, why haven’t you responded to this?

Why veto a slot that was A) not in failed coalition and B) no good reason to sr?

[NanceFloor]

I would rather this:

VOTE: chenn, Over, Titus, TD

or we can actively try to match a scumteam on a veto to make this more interesting.

I don’t understand why you wouldn’t have anyone in the failed coalition in this list?

I think Titus is town.

[NanceFloor]

@Moon, why haven’t you responded to this?

Why veto a slot that was A) not in failed coalition and B) no good reason to sr?

A)I included two slots in the coalition and two slots not which seems to be what most of us are doing. My 4 choices are who I would like sorted without losing a potential high input town slot like Ank/PB.
B)I disagree. Maria has some scummy posts.

Link/quote them. Coalition didn’t fail because of Maria. Maria is very unlikely to be scum, so bad vote.

[NanceFloor]

What if we veto 1 coalition + 3 non-coalition?

I think 1 or 2 tops. Since scum can only kill 2 slots anyway, I don’t see the value of more than 2 coalition slots in veto. I think 2 is optimal for that reason. Let’s say we veto Chemist + 3 non-coalitions? What if Chemist flips green, then we’ve lost the ability to also sort Clemency.

That’s why I have my 2 strongest sr + the 2 weakest coalition members in my veto.

[NanceFloor]

Or you could tell me why she's town instead of pushing me off my read just because you said so

@Moon, why haven’t you responded to this?

Why veto a slot that was A) not in failed coalition and B) no good reason to sr?

A)I included two slots in the coalition and two slots not which seems to be what most of us are doing. My 4 choices are who I would like sorted without losing a potential high input town slot like Ank/PB.
B)I disagree.

Maria has some scummy posts.

You’re the one saying she has “some scummy posts”, so why won’t you back that up?

[NanceFloor]

coalition failed because maria is deepwolfing let's speedlynch her

[NanceFloor]

PB I look forward to your thoughts.

Why won’t you answer my question? Tell me why Maria is scum.

[NanceFloor]

You’re the one saying she has “some scummy posts”, so why won’t you back that up?

I'll elaborate when I feel like it. I trust you have eyes and Maria has a short ISO. It's not rocket science.

Yes I have eyes.

Maria was not in coalition nor a consensus sr

and until you explain the basis for your putting Maria in your veto, I’m going to have an issue with it.


That’s the crux of it. Vetoing Maria doesn’t help us find who was scum in the failed coalition and is objectively far from one of the scummiest slots in this game, so vetoing her makes 0 sense.

[NanceFloor]

Moon what you don't get is since you scumread me it's up to you to prove that I'm scum not them to prove I'm town. Because by your logic I am a wolf and holding up the game. They think I'm town and not holding up the game. So I don't get why you're being all picky about it so *shrug*

+1

[NanceFloor]

I def think nance is right about coalition, I think moon ok and two omcoalition or swap td for moon

I def think nance is right about coalition, I think moon ok and two omcoalition or swap td for moon

TD for moon. I'm not voting for a veto that has less than 3 coalition members.

Can we listen to me for once on strategy?

Why 3 over 2? Having 3 means greater chance of a stronger town dying? But at least you recognize that 4 is pointless.

[NanceFloor]

Pink Ball replaces Ankamius

. Please welcome him!

HEEEEEEEEEEEEERE'S JOHNNY!

PB always brings the fun. <3

[NanceFloor]

We can lynch up to four people.

VOTE: Chemist, Clemency, Moongrass, 0verki11

MariaR pings town to me.

Pink Ball pings town to me from whatever limited info I have.

I refuse to veto Creature.

-TL

Maybe RC is right? Moon > Maria 100%.

[NanceFloor]

Veto: Chemist, Clemency, Overkill11, Moongrass

[NanceFloor]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=79422&user_select%5B%5D=32085


If anyone is interested, this is bleeding obvtown moon, who was my strongest tr in that game.

[NanceFloor]

Really?!? That's bananas

I like bananas

We can’t actually “lynch” 4 people rather scum NKs 2 out of the 4.

[NanceFloor]

I think PB/Ank is town - especially if Moon is scum. Their interactions read anti-partnery.

[NanceFloor]

The fact people are even considering Ank scum is mindblowing to me

The fact that Moon thought he could veto you and not get sr for that is even more mind blowing, if possible.

[NanceFloor]

Btw @Titus, RC, the reason why this veto is optimal, is because the odds are extremely good, we hit 1 scum with this - even if we’re wrong on both Chemist/Clemency.

[NanceFloor]

Btw @Titus, RC, the reason why this veto is optimal, is because the odds are extremely good, we hit 1 scum with this - even if we’re wrong on both Chemist/Clemency.

Why? Because Moon surviving probably confiscums him but probably not wrong. Odds are good, at least 3 scum in this. Overkill11, Moon + 1 of Chemist/Clemency.

[NanceFloor]

Can we replace Clem? I think he's lynchbait only my main worry with the overkill/chem/moon/clem thing

With who though? I think Overkill11 and Moon are the non-coalition scum + 1 coalition scum. I think PB/Ank is never scum with Moon/mbaki and PB blatantly obvtowned anyway. He clearly has no clue what’s going on, which means that slot is almost certainly town now. I think both Chemist and Clemency have higher scum equity than Creature, so I think it’s important to sort between those two. If my original coalition hadn’t been opposed, we’d already probably have the answer but it got overruled. :/

[NanceFloor]

I look forward to the arguments that my slot was scummy after I'm killed. I'd be very amused if the veto was all town and we systematically kill off 4 town.

Also, no I don't have to explain anything to anyone. We are all responsible for our own reads and I don't get into the habit of being backed into a corner by overzealous town who wouldn't listen anyway.

Veto can only kill 2 not 4 players. I’m getting really tired of this broken record.

[NanceFloor]

Yes but what happens to the other two after scum kill two? Town gets paranoid and thinks they are scum because wolves didn't kill them. We may as well assume all four are dying.

lmfao

[NanceFloor]

Chemist1422, Clemency, Creature, Pink Ball veto should probably swap creature out for another as there are better ways to sort him.

In what world do you still sr PB?

[NanceFloor]

Spoiler: The joys of fusco part 1

VOTE: overkill

sigh

VOTE: overkill

0verkill is not scum with Fusco, this vote came at a time before the Fusco wagon started gaining momentum.

oh right. raisins.


if you were scum i feel like youd do more than push on td

This reads like a soft defence of Nancefloor in a world where TD is town and NF are scum.

I think its unhealthy to focus on spec for the 8ball. i still dont get it, but coolio.


taly, nancy, and nrighteyes are my current group of people

These townreads from scum usually contain one wolf.

I think people focusing on the replacements are wrong too.

its a holiday weekend.

Are replacements +town or +scum here? This was prior to me replacing in.

oh boy

am I going to have to play my hand immediately

yarr scum m8y

???

HURT: ankimus

???

Fusco, why you voting me gurl?

Yea but look at how they tried versus how much return they got. I dont want to put words in their mouths though. Lets make them respond.

VOTE: TD

but i mean, ill review tomorrow/

This doesn't feel like distancing more than it feels like Fusco getting cold feet on a push.

chemist

where did you go

i fell asleep

I’m going to read shadow from the perspective of someone who has a lot of prior experience with him

Okay so he has not done like anything

Good to know

I’d wait for him to do stuff that’s actually readable or lynch him if we can’t find anything else

Chemist is cruising scum.

Like I dont particularly like being SRed by you in every freaking game you hop in.

chemist

where did you go

i fell asleep

I’m going to read shadow from the perspective of someone who has a lot of prior experience with him

Okay so he has not done like anything

Good to know

I’d wait for him to do stuff that’s actually readable or lynch him if we can’t find anything else

Fucosco, Chemist, town I think from this.

~ND

Uh no.

So just to piss on everyone's reads.

0verkill is not scum

, TD maybe but not the best push. Chemist is scum. NF are scum especially if TD flips green.

Okay, tell me in what world town ever insists that the world will end if a specific player isn’t lynched on D1. The second part is hillarious bs, since we’re clearly mindmelding now on scum!you but hey, nice try anyway.

You seem extremely certain on Chemist scum, which is interesting since most of us - the uninformed majority, are using veto precisely to figure that out.

Oh and nice job trying to shade me with early reads I later clearly changed my mind on, like Fuscosco scum, for example. Interesting how you had such a great deal of difficulty finding those alleged non-existent “scummy” Maria quotes you conveniently forgot about.

[NanceFloor]

Except for PB, I agree the town pool looks decent.

Except for Moongrass, if I was scummurdering I'd like your pool tmck.

I just feel trying to get all three scum is a waste of time as error are likely.

Do you seriously think PB is pretending not to have a clue about any of this? He seems pretty sincere to me.

[NanceFloor]

Yawn.

Great answer. You have successfully completely debunked my argument.

[NanceFloor]

I don't believe the aggression NF is pushing. The tone doesn't line up with someone trying to sort the game but rather someone attempting to bend the game to their will through sheer force.

Funny, how you had us at locktown before I changed my read on your slot. TD never OMGUSsed.

[NanceFloor]

I don't believe the aggression NF is pushing. The tone doesn't line up with someone trying to sort the game but rather someone attempting to bend the game to their will through sheer force.

Funny, how you had us at locktown before I changed my read on your slot. TD never OMGUSsed.

Which happened as a direct result of your Maria garbage push btw.

[NanceFloor]

Yes your influence on me is powerful and all my reads revolve around yours.

What part of I wasn’t hard sr you prior to bs Maria veto, is going over your head?

[NanceFloor]

You’re the one saying she has “some scummy posts”, so why won’t you back that up?

I'll elaborate when I feel like it. I trust you have eyes and Maria has a short ISO. It's not rocket science.

Yes I have eyes.

Maria was not in coalition nor a consensus sr

and until you explain the basis for your putting Maria in your veto, I’m going to have an issue with it.


That’s the crux of it. Vetoing Maria doesn’t help us find who was scum in the failed coalition and is objectively far from one of the scummiest slots in this game, so vetoing her makes 0 sense.

No townie ever sr me for this.

[NanceFloor]

What's garbage is the confidence of your reads, dare I say they almost seem informed. It's amusing that Maria says on her entrance that noone should be able to read her or her predecessors but she has no qualm about your read on her.

Moon what you don't get is since you scumread me it's up to you to prove that I'm scum not them to prove I'm town

. Because by your logic I am a wolf and holding up the game. They think I'm town and not holding up the game. So I don't get why you're being all picky about it so *shrug*

[NanceFloor]

What's garbage is the confidence of your reads, dare I say they almost seem informed.

It's amusing that Maria says on her entrance that noone should be able to read her or her predecessors but she has no qualm about your read on her.

why should i argue with correct townreads on me from people that i'm not scumreading?

It seems out of character iirc.

[NanceFloor]

You're either easily distracted by shiny things or you're scum. I'm giving you the dignity of assuming it's the latter.

If there’s a world you flip green here, I should seriously consider quitting mafia for good.

[NanceFloor]

omg omg guys i like officially have a girlfriend as of 3am last night

this is a thing that's happening?? im happy?
- Dann

[NanceFloor]

VOTE: 0verki11, Chemist1422, Clemency, Moongrass

can we agree that moongrass goes in ANY veto?

Chenn is town.

[NanceFloor]

omg omg guys i like officially have a girlfriend as of 3am last night

this is a thing that's happening?? im happy?
- Dann

Congrats. \o/

[NanceFloor]

Chenn is who I'd take out

Yeah, probably good call.

So then:

Overkill11
TD
Chemist
Clem

Works for me.

this is probably quite similar to the veto I would offer, honestly my wims down the drain but I have time to shit today so ill do that.
Either TD is probably scum from VCA or we have a nance deepwolf are I kind of doubt that.

Wow, this is surreal. What are the odds of BOTH Moon and Overkill11 setting up this SvT type of dichotomy between me and TD, at precisely the same time we mindmeld on Maria/PB town and Moon scum? Like this really can’t be a coincidence.

[NanceFloor]

I would rather this:

VOTE: chenn, Over, Titus, TD

ok so no, we are aiming for 3 scum, im town and im pretty sure Titus and Chenn are as well.
So youve probably got 1 scum there

sucks to be you

And that one scum isn’t TD.

[NanceFloor]

im willing to take Moongrass out of my PoE tbh,
Mbaki starting the Fusc wagon gives town points and I kind of like Moongrasses posts so thats cool

Anyone who is still questioning Overkill11/Moon as 2/3 scums, has had a lobotomy.

[NanceFloor]

Ok, I've read a little, specifically 200 posts from Nancy and Dann.

Nancy, Danny boy, what should I look at next?

Also Dann, eh... congratulations on breaking my heart once again.

You should look at who is most likely to be Fucosco/Overkill11/Moon’s partner in the failed coalition. It’s not us, obviously not tmck, not RC, extremely unlikely you and probably not Creature. I think Taly was really obvtown, so I think last scum is between Chemist/Clemency.

Since Overkill11/Moon are patently obvscum now, figuring out which are the two most likely scum slots that caused the coalition to fail and vetoing them, would guarantee one scum kill, because scum has to kill 2 slots. Of the coalition slots, Chemist/Clemency have had the least impact on the game and the safer strategy is - in the unlikely chance both Chemist/Clemency are town, just exclude the 2 next most likely scum slots from 2nd coalition, rather than putting them in veto.

[NanceFloor]

P. edit. How did Dann “break your heart” again?

[NanceFloor]

I think if both Chemist/Clemency flip town, we exclude both Creature/Sky from 2nd coalition, because I’m convinced PB is town. Mbaki had JE as locktown, which makes me fear the slight possibility of a Sky/Taly deepwolf.

[NanceFloor]

Chemist/TD/Clem
ez just chain lynch them once you kill me, infact put them in the veto with me k thx

I’m not excluding Moon from any veto. I think you’re willing to self-bus to save your partner, which is why you prefer TD to Moon.

[NanceFloor]

@nancefloor
If neither me or Moongrass 'Somehow' not flip scum then who is the team?

Either my veto of you/Moon/Chemist/Clemency has 3 scums in it or I’m wrong on both Chemist/Clemency. In either case, I don’t expect both of you to be flipped. Moon never gets flipped in any case. Either one of Chemist/Clemency is flipped along with you or both of them get flipped.

Moon is obvscum and you’re tr Moon + your uberscummy D1 push on BEF, makes that extremely unlikely.

[NanceFloor]

VOTE: 0verki11, Clemency, TD, Chemist1422
Please get me out of here k thx,
Im probably willing to swap Chemist for anyone that isnt Chenn, RC, TMCK, Nancy, Anks slot, Taly's slot.

If you’re referring to the coalition, you’re obviously referring to Creature, since he is the only one in the failed coalition, you’re not tr.

However, excluding Creature from 2nd coalition would solve that problem. I would rather have either Chemist/Clemency over Creature in my veto and it makes no sense to have not have 2 coalition slots in veto unless the failed scum slot isn’t blatantly obvious, which it clearly isn’t.

Anyone who’s town should be sr Moon and I doubt scum would bus at this point.

[NanceFloor]

VOTE: 0verki11, Clemency, TD, Chemist1422
Please get me out of here k thx,
Im probably willing to swap Chemist for anyone that isnt Chenn, RC, TMCK, Nancy, Anks slot, Taly's slot.

TD isn’t scum because he vetoed Moon + he tr Maria and PB, who I’ve already stated is never SvS with Moon.

[NanceFloor]

VOTE: 0verki11, Clemency, TD, Chemist1422
Please get me out of here k thx,
Im probably willing to swap Chemist for anyone that isnt Chenn, RC, TMCK, Nancy, Anks slot, Taly's slot.

TD isn’t scum because he vetoed Moon + he tr Maria and PB, who I’ve already stated is never SvS with Moon.

PB is obvtown independent of Moon’s alignment.

[NanceFloor]

Any chance scum puts two of themselves together here?:

Highly doubt it unless they’re both deep

So then there are 3 pairs with scum, ~38%.

What pairs have the highest chance at being both town to help narrow the field?

Oka/Me
Ank/Clem

Also I think scum may have paired up with some strong town players to protect themselves. i.e

mbaki

/

nancefloor

.

Is it worth losing a good town player for a chance at scum?

can you not be terrible for a second time please? one game was enough

I feel so bad for mislynching BEF. :/

[NanceFloor]

i feel like having a veto of all coalition members would b stupid because we probablyyyy didnt include 4 scum in the coalition

I think 1 is most likely. Who do you think is most likely to be scum?

[NanceFloor]

Here are the pairings for the Dance:

Player 1	Player 2
RadiantCowbells	0verki11
mbaki	NanceFloor
OkaPoka	BrightEyedFish
Time Devil	themilkcartonkid
Ankamius	Clemency
Creature	Chemist1422
Taly	JohnnyEnglish
chennisden	Titus

Taly / JE is TvT never touch that

mbaki / NanceFloor is TvT never touch that

I'm fine with Veto but put me in with 0verkill, Clemency, Chemist or Titus so it deals with the LHF and scummy slots. Leave Nancefloor out of it.

Tmck pushing Nancefloor is villa. Both are my strongest townreads.

Tmck assuming that I'm scum, why would Dann do that as my buddy? That would be a silly move since I'm unanimously scum read. It would make more sense to bus me in this state no?

Can we like not have the obvious town fight each other?

Because he wants to have more than 1 scum on coalition so as not to be "the scum that made coalition fail"

They're not scum at all. I'd bet my plushie dragon on it. You're being paranoid.

Vote Count 2.2.10

OkaPoka/BrightEyedFish

(9):

Time Devil

,

chennisden

,

Titus

,

RadiantCowbells

,

Skygazer

,

NanceFloor

,

Clemency

,

Ankamius

,

themilkcartonkid

Creature/Chemist1422 (2):

OkaPoka

,

0verki11

Ankamius/Clemency (1):

JohnnyEnglish

chennisden/Titus (1):

BrightEyedFish

RadiantCowbells/0verki11 (1):

mbaki

Not Voting (2):

Chemist1422

,

Creature

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate a pair.

The deadline for elimination is paused.

Mod Notes:
Seeking replacement for mbaki.

The deadline is paused until a replacement is found, and will be reset to 48 hours.

A majority has been achieved.

A colored illustration of my reads.

[NanceFloor]

In all honesty that read list makes me question my read on you moongrass

One word: OMGUS, you’re welcome.

[NanceFloor]

Either nance usually scumreads people they dislike or they have a massive crush on me. Either way I'm flattered.

I'm happy still reading taly/sky as town. 0K is very town being fed up with the game which is why I think a lot of the replacements are town. This environment is ++ for scum.

I assure you, I find you far more palatable than your predecessor.

Oh and totally not at all scummy to completely dismiss my reasons for sr you.

[NanceFloor]

Either nance usually scumreads people they dislike or

they have a massive crush on me

. Either way I'm flattered.

Post Post #37 (isolation #42) » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:27 pm

In post 23, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 19, Marquis wrote:
hey varsoon
vote dunnstral w me


Based on?

what,

do you have a crush on him or something

. not sure why you're not voting too

In Boundaries of Reality, scum!Marquis also accused me of having a “crush”, this time however, it was on town!dunnstral.

[NanceFloor]

In all honesty that read list makes me question my read on you moongrass

One word: OMGUS, you’re welcome.

Im pretty sure he town reads me but ok?
If youre trying to imply that this was planned, realisticly the only way for one of us to get out of this as scum is some insane powerwolfing which I dont really think would be either of our scum ranges.

No

ME

. His sr on my slot is 100% OMGUS. He was obvtown reading me prior to that.

[NanceFloor]

[NanceFloor]

i had, i think, a massive epiphany about this game but i need to do a lot of reading to confirm it so

You figured out who the scum in the coalition is because, it’s far from obvious to me.? Only thing blatantly obvious to me, is Moon scum and Overkill11 very likely his partner. Both should be in veto. I still think one of Chemist/Clemency is the most likely to be scum in it. I wish people wouldn’t have opposed Maria. that would have made it a lot easier.

[NanceFloor]

oh

not about this game btw

like, mafia as a whole

Oh. Mafia is for masochists? I can totally believe that.

[NanceFloor]

i had, i think, a massive epiphany about this game but i need to do a lot of reading to confirm it so

You figured out who the scum in the coalition is because, it’s far from obvious to me.? Only thing blatantly obvious to me, is Moon scum and Overkill11 very likely his partner. Both should be in veto. I still think one of Chemist/Clemency is the most likely to be scum in it. I wish people wouldn’t have opposed Maria. that would have made it a lot easier.

wait why dont we just put all 4 of us in it ez

Veto: Chemist, Clemency, Overkill11, Moongrass

I did.

[NanceFloor]

Then follow me.

VOTE: 0verki11, Chemist1422, Clemency, Moongrass

can we agree that moongrass goes in ANY veto?

I think Chenn is on the right track here.

[NanceFloor]

VOTE: 0verki11, Chemist, Clemency, Moongrass

2 of these slots are getting flipped except for Moon.

[NanceFloor]

I'd actually take good money on Moon being flipped there as the other three are in my scumpool. Double or nothing on Chemist and Moon or a scum flipping.

You think both Chemist and Clemency are scum? And no way is Moon flipped. How are you still tr him?

[NanceFloor]

We're not going to mindlessly kill town players from the coalition.

I would rather this:

VOTE: chenn, Over, Titus, TD

Has your reads changed on any of this? I think Moon is obvscum and both Chenn and TD are voting him. Don’t you think you should have at least one if not 2 coalition slots in there? But no more than two.

How do you read Chemist/Clemency now?

[NanceFloor]

Veto

TD
Chenn
Chemist
Clem

I can’t see a world where Overkill11 is town. so pointless putting him into it.

Gun to head Clem and Chenn get NK’d over TD/Chemist.

I like throwing known scum in there bc

it can force a kill if we get 3 scum

This is why we never veto 4 coalition slots especially when the odds are, I was probably wrong on only one.

[NanceFloor]

if you want to hit 3 scum

you hit 3 scum by giving me executive control

You’re currently voting 4 coalition members, two of which I think are town, especially PB. Especially if you’re convinced on Moon/Mbaki scum.

Voting 4 coalition members, probably nets us only one scum, with scum obviously killing the two towniest of the slots. In this case PB/Creature with Chemist/Clemency left being unsorted,

[NanceFloor]

oh ok very cool
Moongrass like explain that read in a way that doesnt sound OMGUSy because thats probably cool

I have explained my read progression it started out with TD v NF looking like SvT. Unfortunately it's always going to look like OMGUS because a lot of it has to do with how they are approaching their reads now.

Look at how they are conf biasing everyone's alignments based on how they read me, the riddiculous confidence they have on a MariaR, PB, and RC town read that is impossible to have uninformed with what content is in here. There is a difference between "I think x is town" and "I scumread you because how can you not see x is town" when the player in question is unconfirmed.

It's possible they are town in TD vs NF, but until I see some flips and if they keep approaching their reads like a bull in a china shop then I'm holding on to them both having scum equity.

There was no protown reason to veto Maria and then you have yet to provide those alleged “scummy” posts of hers to explain your reasoning but you obviously can’t since there’s nothing remotely scummy about her posting here.

[NanceFloor]

0verki11, Chemist1422, Clemency.

What do they all have in common?

Not strong tr?

[NanceFloor]

i think that i was kept in the coalition so that tmck would have an excuse to push me later and he's reluctant to actually try to hunt scum in the coalition b/c as soon as scum flip in the coalition he doesn't have any real odds of getting a lynch through on me.

Once we get a scum flip in the coalition, odds are good, the remaining scum aren’t in it. I had all of the slots in dark green except for two in light green. So vetoing the 2 light green slots makes the most sense.

[NanceFloor]

0verki11, Chemist1422, Clemency.

What do they all have in common?

Not strong tr?

I mean in general, not in this particular game.

That probably applies outside of this game. Prior to failed coalition, I had both Chemist and Clemency as town leans, or else I wouldn’t have wanted them in it. We know at least one scum in the failed coalition and if we put more than two in veto, scum just kills the towniest amongst them. So a you/Creature/Chemist/Clemency veto, assumes scum kills you and Creature over Chemist/Clemency. So if one scum in Chemist/Clemency, how does it help us, if scum kills you and Creature?

[NanceFloor]

i think that chemist is town
and that clemency is probably not the only scum in the coalition

that's me thinking that OK is town as well btw

Who else then? I really think PB is town. I think if we exclude Creature/Sky from the 2nd coalition, we’re good.

I did dislike Creature’s veto and not including any coalition members but I think only one scum is likely, since I don’t think my reads are that bad. Sky only if there’s a deep wolf, since I obvtown read Taly.

Could be, I’m starting to doubt my OK sr. His D1 BEF push was so scummy but yeah, could definitely be wrong on him.

I think you should remove PB from your veto in any case, especially if you’re convinced on Moon/Mbaki scum

[NanceFloor]

regardless, UNVOTE:

i'll play once tmck is gone and if i die first tmck can enjoy playing the game without having to deal with spooky unreadable radiantcowbells

That won’t happen unless he replaces out.

[NanceFloor]

I don't believe the aggression NF is pushing. The tone doesn't line up with someone trying to sort the game but rather someone attempting to bend the game to their will through sheer force.

When I eventually flip please remember this one thing and stop letting NF do this.

You haven’t done a goddamned thing to get me to change my read on you. You’re only argument is you dislike my pushing you. Well guess freaking what? That’s because you’re my #1 sr. It was previously OK but he is currently acting way townier than you.

[NanceFloor]

I don't believe the aggression NF is pushing. The tone doesn't line up with someone trying to sort the game but rather someone attempting to bend the game to their will through sheer force.

When I eventually flip please remember this one thing and stop letting NF do this.

You want me to change my read on you? Do something to fucking earn it. This kind of broken record bs. is just reinforcing it.

[NanceFloor]

Sigh...

I ask again: 0verki11, Chemist1422, Clemency. What do they all have in common?

Who do you think is scum in the coalition and what did you think about Ank’s reads?

[NanceFloor]

I don't believe the aggression NF is pushing. The tone doesn't line up with someone trying to sort the game but rather someone attempting to bend the game to their will through sheer force.

When I eventually flip please remember this one thing and stop letting NF do this.

You haven’t done a goddamned thing to get me to change my read on you. You’re only argument is you dislike my pushing you. Well guess freaking what? That’s because you’re my #1 sr. It was previously OK but he is currently acting way townier than you.

You have no reason except I didn't agree with you or bend to your will by following your barked orders.

If you’re going to continue to be deliberately obtuse and ignore all of my reasoning. - which I’ve stated and restated and you continually refuse to even address, I’m done here.

[NanceFloor]

Lynchbait?

Yes. And right now, those three players are in the most voted veto convo right now.

Who's pushing for that, town or scum?

You forget that two were in failed coalition. Do you not think it’s optimal to veto 2 slots from there and if not Chemist/Clemency, who would you prefer?

Who would you switch with Overkill11?

[NanceFloor]

Sigh...

I ask again: 0verki11, Chemist1422, Clemency. What do they all have in common?

Who do you think is scum in the coalition and what did you think about Ank’s reads?

I don't remember who was in the coalition, and I haven't read anything about Ank.

Us, confirmed repicker tmck, RC, your slot, Sky/Taly, Clemency, Chemist. I originally wanted Maria/JE over Chemist but people objected.

Well my read on your slot is obviously heavily influenced by my Ank read as well as any possible associations/lack there of with any other slots. Therefore your view on her reads would be helpful.

[NanceFloor]

I don't believe the aggression NF is pushing. The tone doesn't line up with someone trying to sort the game but rather someone attempting to bend the game to their will through sheer force.

When I eventually flip please remember this one thing and stop letting NF do this.

You want me to change my read on you? Do something to fucking earn it. This kind of broken record bs. is just reinforcing it.

Blah blah read my ISO your read is shit.

Could say the exact same thing about your Maria read.

[NanceFloor]

Lynchbait?

Yes. And right now, those three players are in the most voted veto convo right now.

Who's pushing for that, town or scum?

Probably scum 0K is finally being established as likely town. Clemency has had unimpressive votes and was in the failed coalition, Chemist is behaving like coasting scum and was also in the failed coalition. If we can put them in a pool to cull them off then it gives scum less LHF to hide behind.

Take a look at the failed coalition and tell me who's scum if not those two.

If you think scum is pushing this then why are you agreeing with Clemency/Chemist? Because you know that theory is probably wrong. Having the two least townie coalition slots in veto, is transparently townie and you clearly think that too.