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I'm thinking of something.
Is it ever worth it for Soichiro to claim? Having one inno/guilty will probably make the missions a lot easier, and in case we get a false inno, we can get Matsuda to kill the inno.
Don't claim yet, but I'd like to see discussion of this strategy.On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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It's not really a need, it's more of insurance because we would be assuming the inno is town, so killing the inno gets rid of shenanigans.In post 67, Chara wrote:why does Matsuda target the inno? there's no way to tell if the inno is false.
Though I realize that to achieve the Matsuda wincon we still need to survive to Night 4.On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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Ok, so here's what I've got when trying to break the setup:
If Touta shoots Kira, we win, and Team Kira don't get a guess at L.
This means that if we massclaim, we can determine who the scum are, and we can use Shuichi, Naomi and Soichiro to determine who Light is.
We will have to pass the first two missions (probably easy with all the information), then intentionally fail missions 3 and 4 (to avoid losing by scum guessing L) to survive to Night 4, which we can do by vetoing 5 missions, where Touta will be able to shoot Light. Note that we have to do it in this order because Ryuk may be here to screw with our votes.
The only thing complicating all these is scum being able counterclaim. However, we can use many principles to determine who scum and L are:
1. Anyone who is not counterclaimed is confirmed town
2. Anyone who nobody claiming to be L claims to be scum is confirmed town
3. All of Shuichi, Naomi and Soichiro gives us clues on both who scum and Light are, and scum cannot counterclaim all of them.
I'm now trying to enumerate all the counterclaim cases, and see if all cases can be broken. I'd like some discussion on this or if any of the above is blatantly wrong.On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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I'll admit, I'm not really interested in scumhunting right now. I'm actually a strongly mechanically inclined person, and I do believe there is a breaking strategy, so I want to use all the time I have to craft a breaking strategy. I don't mind not having my proposed team passed, and if I am unable to find a breaking strategy, I don't mind proposing some random mission before the deadline ends and having it fail, and handing it over to the next player.
That said, I would really appreciate it if people were to actually read my current plans in detail, and not just gloss over it, see 'massclaim' and go 'nope' or something. My gut really wants to scumread those who just shut down my strategy without properly countering it (HRG and Penguin), though I think I shouldn't.
At the same time, I now do believe Chara is town, and no longer sure of my TLK scumread. In fact, if I were to nominate a team, it would be {me, Chara, TLK}. I'm also no longer sure of insomnia being town.On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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No, what I'm saying is that I think that given PP immediately followed your lead in turning around on me immediately after you, I don't think PP is following a scumbuddy here. I would say that PP and You are not buddies, but since not all scum know each other this game, I can only say that PP doesn't know you as a buddy.In post 136, High Risk Gamble wrote:PP isn't scum and knows I'm scum?
So what you are saying is you think PP is L and your town motivation here is to state that.On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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We win by Touta shooting Light, not by passing 3 missions. We can force a mission to fail by getting everyone to veto 5 missions.In post 137, High Risk Gamble wrote:And with your game breaking theory, what stops scum writing L's name into the death book after 3 successful missions? Even if all the scum are pointed out?On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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^In post 133, PenguinPower wrote:
Then do it after the game is over.In post 131, singletonking wrote:I'm actually down for playing this game properly, and not using some breaking strategy that makes the game unfun.
But I still want to publish my breaking strategy to prove that I wasn't bullshitting about having a breaking strategy.On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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No. I'm not sending Chito, I'm getting weird vibes from them just talking about my strategy without discussing anything else like reads or other engagement.In post 168, Baezu wrote:STK would you consider chara, TLK and Chito?On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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I think Chara is kinda obvtown in general
I also like the last knight. While he has not been contributing much reads wise, his entire town leader position in trying to organize the town seems town motivated.
insomnia hasn't done anything and I'm struggling to see how anyone could be townreading them at this point.On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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Yup, it does make sense.In post 175, The Last Knight wrote:That's smart. Make sus members pass/fail first. You've risen on my town reads Insomnia.
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I mean I understand why you wouldn't feel like how I proposed a breaking strategy but then backed off, but can't you see that I have actually tried solving the game by reading the spoiler?In post 200, Chito and Yuuri wrote:
Yeah this post still pisses me offIn post 169, singletonking wrote:
No. I'm not sending Chito, I'm getting weird vibes from them just talking about my strategy without discussing anything else like reads or other engagement.In post 168, Baezu wrote:STK would you consider chara, TLK and Chito?
A correct massclaim order in day 1 means we don't want to give reads if we were going to go with your plan because we needed to be ready to say informed pairings or avoid revealing we were not specific power roles before the mass happens
This post with the random backoff from the solve makes me feel like this whole thing was just complete horseshit
Honestly stk's approach made me think he was town but now I just don't want to give him anything. He barely discussed his proposed team before presenting the vote and just hid behind a mech solution that seemed designed to kill discussion. He still could be town and I'm just pissed at him but whatever
VOTE: veto
I only ended up deciding against it because I agreed to playing the game it's supposed to be played and not by breaking and ruining it.On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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TLKIn post 215, PenguinPower wrote:Curious to hear the answer as well.
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Idk I just suddenly had bad feelings about himIn post 219, PenguinPower wrote:Ok, but what was it specifically that caused you to get a bad feeling? He didn't post anything between your vote and unvote.On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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In post 223, The Last Knight wrote:
I would probably pass this.In post 195, insomnia wrote:He's just scummy to me, there's no information to go off of right now. I'd rather have me be the leader and form my own team. I'm the next on the list if we leave this. I'd personally take Chito, me and I'll re-read and search for a third that I like. I think I'm fine with chara as a third, not sure.
Okay now I have good reasons to believe TLK is scum: He has allowed me, Chara, Chito, insomnia, and Baked Nips onto missions, a total of five players, and if he's town there are only five other town players from his perspective.In post 224, The Last Knight wrote:
Not bad.In post 213, Baked Nips wrote:So how about Chara, TLK and US then?On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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I'm down for this actuallyIn post 195, insomnia wrote:He's just scummy to me, there's no information to go off of right now. I'd rather have me be the leader and form my own team. I'm the next on the list if we leave this. I'd personally take Chito, me and I'll re-read and search for a third that I like. I think I'm fine with chara as a third, not sure.On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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It feels... really weird that you used a team immediately after I suggested it, especially considering that you don't trust me.
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I was going to pass it. I'm now more skeptical, but I still think the team has a >50% chance of succeeding.In post 254, PenguinPower wrote:
So are you passing or vetoing?In post 243, singletonking wrote:Yeah, semantics, semantics. I found it weird that he immediately went with the group after I said that I liked that earlier proposal of his.On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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Also important note here.In post 250, Chara wrote:if we keep vetoing, Penguin will get the mission pick. i'm actually fine with that, but are you? Baked Nips is also the next death note holder, are you fine with his mission? are you fine with mine?
I don't really like PenguinPower, but I don't know if that means he's scum. I've never played with him before.On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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Also this.In post 282, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito: I was literally going to vote a pass until insomnia's flip back and forth on nom/veto/pass. What do you think of insomnia rn?
I've come to realise that the only reason I dislike insomnia right now is because of his impulsiveness, in choosing the team and flipping back to pass the team after casting doubt on it. While I dislike the behaviour I'm not sure it's actually scummy.On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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Question: Why does Chito gain scumpoints for you for increasing activity after putting him into a team?In post 247, insomnia wrote:I’m just overall not feeling good about this composition anymore. You start playing the game only after I put you in a team.
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Actually I can explain my TW read now
TW was signal hunting, something inapplicable in this game because of this.On indefinite hiatus from playing Mafia.-
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So this is guaranteed to contain scum from Chito's perspective, but not from a spectator's perspectiveIn post 414, Chito and Yuuri wrote:
OK so why the fuck are you proposing a team that is guaranteed to have scum on it?In post 387, Baked Nips wrote:Uhh I believe we are proposing proposing it. Not proposing to propose. That’s a waste of time.
We would like to see
TLK
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VOTE: VETO
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Was this even supposed to be a formal proposal?
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Where does this come from?
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