BooneyToonz XII: Corporate Boontrigue (Game Over!!!)

[UnaBombaH]

Oh wow.
Let's lynch Boon right away in his first BooneyToonz where he can actually play in? Right?
So douchey..

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[UnaBombaH]

I always mixup Ausuka and asuka, and have a N0 quilty on Asuka.
VOTE: Ausuka, not asuka

in the interests of my (waning) sanity, I am treating this as an invalid vote.
- tw

[UnaBombaH]

*pop*
Here I am.

[UnaBombaH]

I think that unvote from xtoxtothemaxmux makes me want to join in on the fun.

VOTE: pops

[UnaBombaH]

That's prolly a hammer btw ^^
If I die N1, Boon's behind it all! 0_0

[UnaBombaH]

I’m a PGO.

Something_Smart’s punishing me because I toook too long to put PGO son the ContraBoon’d list, so he abused it as his variant slot.

WEEE-OOOO. WEEE-OOOO. WEEE-OOOO. WEEE-OOOO.

SCUM!BOON-ALERT! SCUM-BOON ALERT!

WEEE-OOOO. WEEE-OOOO. WEEE-OOOO. WEEE-OOOO.

[UnaBombaH]

Trying to decipher what ever it is that has happened so far since the start of the day.
Not much other to analyze than some vote patterns I guess, but I'll try to get something out of that at least then.

[UnaBombaH]

rosterfoster
UnaBombaH
Titus

Leaving these three as the last ones to sort could be significant with a red Bambi-flip.

[UnaBombaH]

...because he put the three of us as his bottom 3.

[UnaBombaH]

...so it's probably not significant at all, and actually makes sense for town to sort the list from top to bottom.

[UnaBombaH]

It's 2AM in here, and I need to sleep.
But it's the first hot summer days in Finland, so I can't catch any sleep.

[UnaBombaH]

Eh...

VOTE: Titus

for now..

I don't exactly see scum!Titus here (nor do I see Town!her) but it's better than a Bambi lynch.

I know I'm gonna get reamed for this, but this is not a town!A50-post.
VOTE: A50

[UnaBombaH]

Titus likely town, Bambi likely scum then.
If people think A50 is not gonna be the lynch today no matter what, we can go Bambi as well.

[UnaBombaH]

I decided I’m not going to be stupid and play the odds.

I’m a miller.

For what it's worth, I think this was a serious claim.
In the sense that a cop would investigate LUV as guilty.
Miller or not.

[UnaBombaH]

L.U.V. is a miller, but under his name it says he's also a "survivor", that makes it unfairly difficult to win as third party.

You know what? I'm never voting you this game (if I do, remind me of this post). I like a perceptive player (and I also feel guilty from last game).

While a silly post on the surface, I think this would fit scum!A50 again.
I'll try my best to avoid conf.bias while rereading the game, but I can already feel myself falling.

I am not a town leader, Bamboozle! My job is to shut up and eat a bullet between the eyes during N1.

So uhhh..this fits as well.

VOTE: Almost50
Town!Almost50 wouldn't be that afraid to drop a crumb like that.

Agreed.
Either A50 is getting old (he IS O50 nowadays, right?) or he is scum here.

I think A50 is town too

Not sure how you arrived at that.

That's DOCTOR Who to you.

Scummy scum scum.

Hello everyone,

I just want to post that I have been informed that mafia have a strongman.

In the event where we have an informed role, I'd argue this is something we could get.
Also something I'd argue is towny to out asap.

Hello everyone,

I just want to post that I have been informed that mafia have a strongman.

hmmmm, spicy
i wonder if liger is the type of player to pull a gambit like this as scum

What would the value be?
Unless a scumster claims Doctor at some point and fails to provide a save for us? (which would be 50/50 anyway, strongman or not)

How is "informed of a strongman" a named townie?

I'd actually agree on "Informed" being almost the same as "named".
Obviously stronger/better most of the time, but very similar in the sense that you have no night-actions and once outed, your "informed" does nothing else.

[UnaBombaH]

I don't see it as correct play at all to claim knowledge of a strongman D1. The doctors are going to change the protecting algorithm from "protect the towniest player each night" to "protect the towniest player each night". In the meantime the scum know not to shoot Liger N1 if they are PR hunting, but also that they need to shoot him later if once it becomes time to mop up mechanical innocents.

What does this even mean?
Where do the mechanical innocents come from?
The docs protect whoever they normally would (because it makes no difference if their protection fails vs they protect someone who isn't the target for a kill) and the scum still kill the target they want (because it makes no difference whether town know it or not - they can kill whoever they want with that strongman.)

I don't see how knowledge of a strongman creates mechanical innocents on later days.

Yea, what I just said.
No wait, this is in the past.
So basically I just said what I just now read you said back then.
I'm the one who's late.

You ask a lot of fluff questions and act like they accomplish anything with it. It’s a scum tactic.

With the benefit of knowing Boon was town here, I absolutely love the fact that he wanted pops lynched at this point.

Yeah I do that too, though as both town and scum.

VOTE: Pops

Come on up, contestant #1!

Now, this is a vote I'll need to keep an eye out.

Any particular reason Pops' wagon is rocketing? Is it because I promised not to vote him or something?

And here comes scum!50 to try and slow the momentum of the wagon on his buddy.

eh
something about this just doesnt feel right
or maybe i just still feel guilty
UNVOTE:

Scummy as well.

Hey Una do ya approve of such a quick murder of Pops? Do you regret your vote?

I do now that I realized this was actually the wagon that went through, and they flipped town.

I'm slightly suspicious of Almost50 for not taking a stance on my wagon.

Well, at least this still stands.

Lmfao.

Flavor: Don't visit me I'm PGO.

Mafia: Let's kill Flavor anyway.

What a fun time.

Feels like a very fake start for D2.

We lost a Universal Backup but it could be worse. We could've lost an investigative.

Wanna bet that this was one of the worst potential losses for us N1?
My money is on a gated Doc or TWO, if the strongman is really a thing.
And potentially a gated Cop, if LUV is still serious about that Miller-claim.
That TUB could've been HUUGE.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: bambi
Roster also good wagon

First post from Xtox that makes me think he might be town.
Mainly because going after roster seems like a suicide-mission, and I can see how bambi would make sense.

eh
something about this just doesnt feel right
or maybe i just still feel guilty
UNVOTE:

So I guess you knew pops who flip town.

VOTE: Xtoxm

...but yeah, there's still that.
That scummy scum scum -post.

Bambi might be scum.

I am contemplating my life choices.

How do you always manage to end up in the middle of my reads?
First you buddy with someone I scumread, then vote another of my scumreads.
I've never been able to put you definitely in either end of the spectrum.

What do you say we quickhammer Bambi?

Obvs caught scum.

And here I actually scumlean on this.
Mainly because it could be very much opportunistic.
Hoping that town would just tumble to another quicklynch and be none the wiser.
Trying to abuse the situation we're already in, and hope no one even tries to do the effort.
Ech.

My thoughts on the Bambi wagon...

Let it go Let it go
We'll get a scum oh oh

This could be interpreted either way, btw.
Let go of the wagon = unvote.
Let it go through = vote.

I think Una is my only townread worth anything here

VOTE: rosterfoster

I think there's a reason to townread you somewhere deep underneath as well, but I'll hold on to this as a onesided gift for now.

Yuck

Well, at least I managed to do the effort now, and displayed my thoughts out for everyone to see.
I even managed to rectify my false memory of us actually not lynching pops D1!
When I started to do this reread, I honestly remembered that there was another wagon who went through and pops is still alive.
Oh well.

Well Una's low because he's done diddly squat, not because he's on me.

But..I'm NOT on you at this point?

So, I guess nobody investigated me then.

No need to do this anymore buddy.
I'll shoot you tonight all the same.
@mod -

POISON A50's NIGHTCAP

Good attempt at a solve, I award you 1 slot pushed up for it. You are now above Creature. Not much of an accomplishment, but ya did it.

You've actually managed to do the same thing roster does.
I have no idea where to go with you.
I'd argue you've been scummy enough to be the lynch today, but either that readslist was genuine, or it was correctly crafted/fakeslipped.

Well I'm running out of decent choices and PoE leads to her. I don't want to be the next Pops.

Ech.

You won't be. I'll probably fake an inno on you if needs be.

Is there a vomiting emote?

At this point I less think your scum and more read you as an asshat. Xtoxm has more Scum Equity which is why I voted him but then you started to push my buttons.

Do you townread Xtoxm or Titus in the slightest?

To give you some rope (not enough for hanging yet!) I think town!Bambi might just mean scum!Xtoximusmaximus.

Almost, surely seeing her response is more then enough reason to vote her?

OK, NOW I REALLY NEED TO KNOW. NO MORE BULLSHIT.

Are you actually Elsa, or not?
It really might affect my read on you here.
Need to know.

Eh...

VOTE: Titus

for now..

I don't exactly see scum!Titus here (nor do I see Town!her) but it's better than a Bambi lynch.

....aaaaand I think this is where I woke up to scum!A50 originally?

[UnaBombaH]

Why does Titus town make Bambi scum and not wrong town?

I need to know if Bambi is actually Elsa, or not.

Also, can I interest you in roster maybe? I really didn't like the hammer followed by the push for a speedlynch today.

Yes you can.
VOTE: roster

I'm very tempted to townread Bambi for the fun she seemed to be having in 451 although I don't like her read of Una. Bambi, how serious is your scumread of Una at this point?

Don't fall into that trap.
One of the things I personally like to do as scum, is to try and use comedy as means to an end.

Una, can you expand on why 443 feels like a scum A50 post? The way he's approaching his Jesus read feels townie to me.

A50 voting for some one with "ehhhh, not sure if this or that, but voting anyway and only for now, but ehhh and not sure"?
Yea sure, seems like town!A50 who just happens to be one of the better townplayers on this whole site.

How would town!A50 word this post then?

Game-solvy posts in between votes.
Vote-posts are with reasoning, or something very simple like "this works for me as well" (direct quote).
No 50/50 about his votes after he stops the RvS-joking.
He makes up his mind based on his personal reads, or makes the judgement call to follow someone else.
But with conviction, not this "ehhhh...not sure but..." -crap.
Votes and posts like that are reserved for the noobs and losers of this world (such as myself), not someone like A50.

Now, if you are town after all here A50, take this as a wakeup call and show me/us what you can do.

You have at least one big fan of yours in this game. (town!you, that is )

Interesting....

Bambi Jesus Lurker scumteam?

Could be.

What about a XT/Gamma lurker scumteam?

Could be.

[UnaBombaH]

Oh, and I'll stop spamming for now, but before I go...

I know someone (probably A50 himself) is going to devalue that meta-read totally, and to be frank, I don't care.
I feel comfortable scumreading A50 here based on the way he posts, AND the way he has played overall so far.
I think scum!A50 needs a very strong and decisive team to play with, to be as successful as he is when town.
That's because he needs cohesion from his team to be able to make "scumreads" and "townreads" with decisive tone, while actually knowing they'll all end up being "false".
I think he wouldn't want to bus his buddies mindlessly, but he would hate to out a hasty/poor read as well (as it would eat at his credibility, and never meet his actual townplay-standards).
I can see all of these elements at play here.

(He's also one of the players who'd likely advocate for Boon to be killed N1, but that's neither here nor there as I believe most scum should.)

[UnaBombaH]

lul when you avoid a shit lynch and get scumread for it
this game is so boring

Don't be that way.
Engage me here.
I'm not sure if I've ever read you correctly in the games we've played together (3-6 games already I think), so it's time I do the effort and try.

Who are your top scumreads here and why?
Pick 2 or 3, and preferably independent reads at first.
No matter if they make sense as a team yet.

[UnaBombaH]

Now that is just not true.
Why would you say something like that?

[UnaBombaH]

That actually reminds me...

@Liger

- do you stand behind your claim of "Informed Town", with the information of something like "The scumteam has a Strongman?"
No wiggle room.

[UnaBombaH]

bambi (everything he says feels fake)

We mostly agree on this.

jesus (his vote on pops yday felt opportunistic and his push on me today is yuck)

Agree on his pops-vote.
Still think pushing for you today isn't TOO FAR out there.

roster (lolhammer)

Almost 100% certain this is NAI.
Even Boon lolhammers like a madman as town.

[UnaBombaH]

I agree with the sentiment.
Just don't think it's grounds for an actual scumread on the player.
If it becomes a pattern within the game, then sure, use it to connect associations.

[UnaBombaH]

Have you ever played scum!me?? Seriously. Because in my own view (and I could be wrong so correct me if you will) I think my scum game is BETTER than my Town game.

Read what I wrote, with thought.
Didn't want to imply your scum game is poor - absolutely the opposite.
I said you need a good team because otherwise they likely drag you down, and force you to either bus or make awkward fakereads.

[UnaBombaH]

These long-ass walls with bullets flying left and right (like Sheriff Ping Ping Pingggggg Ricochet Rabbit) is indicative of Una being Town here.

That’s just simply not the case. Una was reactionary in the last Booneytoonz and was town.

I haven't quite been myself in a while tbh.
But I am really trying more now.

[UnaBombaH]

Oh wow what a votetrain.

[UnaBombaH]

Creature has to have a reason for scumreading me.

[UnaBombaH]

Hmmm?

[UnaBombaH]

No idea why me and skitter so rarely manage to read each other correctly.

[UnaBombaH]

Ausuka, what's your read on me so far?

[UnaBombaH]

@everyone other than skitter - do you have any gutreads/meta on skitter being this set on a scumread? (on me here)
I mean...the effort here seems towny enough (I guess?), but I also feel like she could be putting in some extra work to get her slot out of the gutter.
After all, she IS creating another wagon to compete with the two more "wanted" wagons, while shrugging at them herself.
I think her scumread (or "scumread", I guess) seems like NAI, but the effort she has spent on my slot alone seems not as productive as it could've been.
I guess I'm not necessarily one to say anything to anyone about effort here, but I feel like she is suffering from severe conf.bias no matter what.

[UnaBombaH]

You know what I mean?
I guess my slot is just an easy target for surface-level "towning it up".

[UnaBombaH]

Now, regarding Titus...
I'm honestly not sure what to say anymore.
Other than I think that one of Titus/Bambi should be scum.
SHOULD BE, because I dislike the idea that town!Titus wouldn't be able to sniff out scum at this point.

[UnaBombaH]

A50 + Titus + Skitter would be a scumteam that would make me cringe so hard my teeth would fall off.

[UnaBombaH]

It's just so transparent how clearly you are all tied-in with each other, and how deep of a pocket I'm in!

[UnaBombaH]

this is awful, no offense

Yet we both know you offended me with that, and meant it as well.

[UnaBombaH]

if you think i'm scum vote me; don't do the half-assed shading thing @una

Didn't do any shading.
It's called "asking for help on metareads" and "outing your gutreads".
I have no need or want to shade you.

[UnaBombaH]

Didn't even realize I was voting for the rooster.
I might need to ISO myself to see why I thought that was the best place for my vote...

UNVOTE:

[UnaBombaH]

Gonna be occupied by my sisters wedding for the rest of the week, but will be able to take a vacation starting next Monday!
Meaning that I'll be barely online until Monday, but after that, I'll try to do some heavy lifting.

[UnaBombaH]

the bolded is all shade
italics: so what? like why is this a point that you feel the need to bring out?
underlined: what does this mean?

I don't want to fall into this pit AT ALL, so I'll do this one more response, and then just agree to disagree if she insists on misinterpreting me.
I aim to have no problems with anyone on this site, but I'm afraid skitter is one of the few who more or less always read my actions in a negative light instead of how I wanted to present them.
The issue lies most likely with me,

SO THIS IS NOT A SHADE, NOR DOES IT HAVE ANY MALICIOUS INTENT

, but if me explaining my words doesn't help, I don't think I can do much more.

the bolded is all shade

No.
The "

I guess

"'es are all just me being 50/50 about my read on what you have said.
I don't think it makes you scum if you find yourself scumreading me, but if you keep on insisting that everything I do is evil and scum, then I have to question your motives.
And the one other thing that was bolded, was "

she could be putting in some extra work to get her slot out of the gutter.

"
This is not a jab at you or Gamma (actually really like them), but the fact that your slot hadn't posted much of anything in a while, even resulting in a replacement, around the time people started to question the "lurking" and all... I feel like you might've taken it upon yourself to "obv.town" right out of the gates to make sure all those negative feelings would be forgotten once and for all.
And now realize this - it still doesn't mean you are necessarily town.
You could just be scum putting in the extra work.
Hence my choice of words.

italics: so what? like why is this a point that you feel the need to bring out?

You are apparently meaning this:

After all, she IS creating another wagon to compete with the two more "wanted" wagons, while shrugging at them herself.

Yet again, not knowing your alignment and trying to process everything you have brought forward, I'm admitting that it troubles me that you are trying to start a counterwagon out of a scratch.
Especially since I have the luxury of knowing you're setting it up on town. (but that's obviously something I'd say as scum as well and neither here nor there and whatnot)
And it's directly related to that last part you disliked.

but the effort she has spent on my slot alone seems not as productive as it could've been.

What does this mean?
Well it simply means that from my PoV you have decided I am scum, and seemingly spent most of the effort you put into your catchup, into finding scumtells from my posts.
Not saying your effort wasn't "much" or "great", but the targeting is off. And I feel like you could've made more good observations and points if you hadn't fallen victim to conf.bias so early on.
Or you are just scum, looking for a push that fits your agenda.
But.
Whether you like/believe it or not, I am aware of the fact that I might suffer from a major case of OMGUS when it's myself who's being paraded as scum.
And whaddaya know - I asked from others for meta-/gutreads on you. You know, to potentially get the 3rd person view.

[UnaBombaH]

Then, one thing I feel like I should clarify at this point. I think I've read this false sentiment a couple of times already, and found it odd no one else wanted to correct it.

i mean Unah also voted pops believing it to be the hammer vote

I never did this?
It went like this:

I think that unvote from xtoxtothemaxmux makes me want to join in on the fun.

VOTE: pops

+

I forgot to take into account the fact people can get really Lynch Happy and murder the first wagonee before they even claim.

Welp.

VOTE: Pops

+

That's prolly a hammer btw ^^
If I die N1, Boon's behind it all! 0_0

I thought JayJay was the one to hammer. Not myself.
No idea people got that confused.
I explicitly stated that I thought pops was taken to L-2, and wanted it back on L-1.
To see if anyone (who?) hammers.
To see if someone else hops off (potential scummates).
Etc etc.

[UnaBombaH]

Has XtoximusMaximus claimed anything btw?
Or been a target for any outed nightresults?
If "NO" to both, why (indeed) is he not the #1 lynch-candidate for today?

[UnaBombaH]

una is english your first language?

No, it isn't.
Although I do think my vocabulary is on a decent enough level and grammar much not so difficult, so I hope you wouldn't put the blame of my apparent scummyness on my english-skills..

[UnaBombaH]

I feel like the lines have been more or less drawn, but it's gonna require some time and brainpower to process.
So, like said, most likely will be doing most of my heavy lifting starting monday.

[UnaBombaH]

When life finally wins today, I'll get to posting.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm getting on my feet.
Will read before casting a vote, but will def. vote before Eod.

[UnaBombaH]

Now, now.
That last day phase, even if the flip was good for us, was so short that I had no chance to finally contribute.
Meaning that I'm way behind when it comes to being "up to speed" on the game as a whole.
Give me some time and I'll do it - I still have one week of my vacation left.