My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic Mafia (Game Over)

[Papa Zito]

Maria's wagon took forever good lord.

Ok, here's what I'm thinking.

1. Bins interactions with MariaR cast her in a far better light than her implosion ones did. My overall conclusion that Bins was sketchy about voting partners is out the window here. Particularly, I think the interactions starting in 1600 where MariaR pulls this incredibly weird "fake scumtell" business points to MariaR trying to manipulate Bins into townreading her, with Bins having none of it. I feel like I really need a 3rd red flip to nail Bins definitively but I definitely don't want to lynch her today.

2. Ep's wishy washy gameplay and constant self deprecation are making that slot's D1 posting extremely hard to parse. I'm having a really tough time deciding if that's just Ep's personality on display or if it was deliberate to avoid laying down tracks. I'm going to iso that slot and look into it (including Glork's posting) much more heavily this phase.

3. T-Bone's posting fits the scum pattern I attributed to Bins yesterday. He posted twice that he was going to hammer her but failed to do so. As a reminder, this was his posting on implosion during the implosion run-up:
- 1496: Will only hammer implosion to avoid NL
- 1625: The implosion wagon is "scummy"

T-Bone is my pick for today.

[Papa Zito]

She specifically prevented me from hammering, which I was gearing up to do.

Can you demonstrate this please.

[Papa Zito]

I'm referring to the 2nd part of that genius

[Papa Zito]

u is a genius

[Papa Zito]

can we change your title to

[Papa Zito]

Ok I lied, I dove into MariaR's iso instead. The vast majority of her posting in the first half of Day 1 was throwing shade at these individuals:

MariaR Shade Brigade

the worst: 206, 207, 1597
zoraster: 206, 207, 647, 666!
GiF: 530, 639, 670
implosion: 527, 543, 639, 651, 659, {infinity}

The latter half of her Day 1 posting was almost purely pushing implosion and self-defense. My read is that her plan going into the start of the game was to bus one buddy hard to gain cred for her or her target (depending on who fell first) and then tear down whichever townies she felt were vulnerable. She did very little positive posting ("I like 'this'; I townread 'this') so it didn't seem like she was terribly interested in buddying anyone.

Of our living players - Ep and T-Bone were basically ignored. There was some minor back-and-forths with Ep early in Day 1, but nothing that helps me determine alignment, while most of her interactions with T-Bone were centered around that really strange Bins interaction and were primarily defense. I'll let you guys read her interactions with me that day for yourselves.

Unfortunately I didn't get too much out of this :/

[Papa Zito]

You would like me what.

I'll once again note that you keep invoking my name without actually saying anything.

[Papa Zito]

Maybe Zito will grace us

Because of this I will not.

[Papa Zito]

Worst is there anything you want from me atm?

I've been quiet for a couple reasons. 1) Life and 2) I'm feeling really confident on T-Bone, and then from my perspective the game resolves itself tonight. Either I get NKed or I'm here tomorrow and whoever isn't a duck is our last scum.

[Papa Zito]

I can vote him but then he's just gonna self vote and the day's over.

If you're ok with that I can vote him now shrug.

[Papa Zito]

Arrite.

VOTE: T-Bone

[Papa Zito]

You've got to be kidding.

[Papa Zito]

VOTE: No lynch

[Papa Zito]

Let me out bins

[Papa Zito]

I thought we were friends.

[Papa Zito]

oh good lord Glork shut up

[Papa Zito]

Ok well stop bad posting then.


Reposting this, as it's relevant again:

Ok.

I'm looking at the composition/decomposition on the Day 1 Implosion wagon because I find it fascinating for the following reasons:
1. It was on scum (duh)
2. It reached L-1 with intent
3. implosion claimed VT
4. Somehow he didn't get lynched

UT captures the height of the wagon in 1260:

Votecount 1.12

Elsa Jay - 1 (SleepyKrew)
implosion - 7 (MariaR, zoraster, xRECKONERx, Alchemist21, PenguinPower, ErrantParabola, Elsa Jay)
MariaR - 3 (implosion, Baezu, the worst)
zoraster - 2 (T-Bone, Papa Zito)

With 15 alive, it's 8 votes to hug someone until they are too full of friendship to continue the game. Day ends in (expired on 2019-04-20 09:11:00). Everypony play mafia!

Unfortunately his style obfuscates important information! Adding in the non-voters (and some color), we have this:

Elsa Jay

- 1 (

SleepyKrew

)

implosion

- 7 (MariaR,

zoraster

, xRECKONERx,

Alchemist21

,

PenguinPower

, ErrantParabola,

Elsa Jay

)
MariaR - 3 (

implosion

,

Baezu

,

the worst

)

zoraster

- 2 (T-Bone, Papa Zito)
Not Voting: Bins,

GuyInFreezer

The implosion wagon was composed of the following votes made at the following times:
Maria: 1045
zoraster: 1117
Reck: 1191
Alchemist: 1205
Ep: 1236, 1237 (unvote), 1244
Penguin: 1241
Elsa: 1245
Worst: Intent 1246


All that said, I looked into isos to see what our living players were doing on Day 1, particularly around the implosion wagon (around 1000-1300).

One player who stuck out to me during this period is Bins. As you can see above, she's not voting anyone at this time. Here's a quick snapshot of what she's saying about implosion at that point in the game:
- 1155: One of Maria/implosion is town
- 1156: "really wants to vote in one of Maria/implosion" - votes zor
- 1183: will vote implosion tomorrow
- 1240: between maria/implosion, would vote implosion

From these posts it's pretty clear that implosion is her top scumread, yet she refrains from ever joining the wagon. She also avoids hammering, despite the VT claim. I believe this points to Bins being a partner who was reluctant to bus. One further datapoint to support this is her list of votes on Day 1, namely: penguin (RVS), elsa, Baezu, zoraster, Maria, zoraster, Maria, zoraster.


Ok no more excuses, you guys talk now.

After I posted this, she chose to ignore it and go after the worst instead of address anything: 2519, 2520, 2525, 2526


Her Day 4 around the MariaR wagon is really suspect. She starts the day with this list:

the worst
Bins

--

xRECKONERx
Glork
T-Bone
MariaR
Papa Zito

if there's 3 scum left... at least we (town peeps) have a 3/5 chance

She clarifies:

i think reck is town, and im not gonna let paranoia hit me there

One more for the road:

Actually i dont think id ever lynch reck today

Fk

She fights Maria in several posts, starting around 2876 through 2963ish but then

im not that worried about zito/glork/maria but gg if it is thats some serious bus

VOTE: reck

??

This vote doesn't move despite many many other posts that day. For reasons. Reck dies that night.

[Papa Zito]

On the other hand Glork's play has been basically spend all game throwing shade at people.


zzz

[Papa Zito]

This game is 137 goddamn pages.

[Papa Zito]

I'm in no rush and I'm going to look back at Ep/Glork again when I can muster up the mental fortitude to do so.

[Papa Zito]

Which of his interactions do you see as fake?

[Papa Zito]

That could also just be him being right. Like is there some logical leap you saw, some sudden switch in stance?

One thing, now that we're here, that has me concerned with him is this:

But both times I almost made that post I stopped myself because there’s still a really good chance we *are* in LyLo and that even if we are not, we need to play as though we are. So lynching Bins because she is worthless-and-also-maybe-scum is not a thing we can afford to do.

This was on Day 4. At this point I don't think anyone was entertaining the idea that the scumteam was only 3 players. Maria was still alive. Yet this came out of nowhere. It smells like Too Much Information Syndrome.

[Papa Zito]

If you two crossvote and leave this up to me I swear to god I will burn this website down.

[Papa Zito]

Oooooh worstie,
why are you dead
Did you not know
Vests don't cover heads

OOOoooooh worstie
why aren't you here
You made things easy
cuz you were clear

Ooooh worstie
you let me down
And left me alone
with these two clowns

Now worstie
Here I am stuck
138 pages
fuck fuck fuck fuck

[Papa Zito]

The absolute best part of this current state of affairs is right now we're doing a Zito -> Bins -> Glork -> Zito nightmare

[Papa Zito]

I'm not setting anything up, I'm just reading the game.

[Papa Zito]

oh no

[Papa Zito]

I'm not really trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm deciding where to vote.

I'm not terribly concerned of what you think, no, because you seem more interested in vilifying everything that's posted than engaging in rational discourse. This makes you Unfun to Play With so I'd rather just let you say whatever you're gonna say and do my own thing.

[Papa Zito]

It's so hard to go back and read Ep's posting critically.

[Papa Zito]

All these Maria <--> Bins interactions are so

weird

What Do I Do With Them


But I think they're the key to this riddle.

[Papa Zito]

Please understand I say the following with complete and utter sincerity. I know we haven't played Survivor together but if you did you'd know that's how I operate. I'll even use the dreaded Red Text.

My heart says Glork, my head says Bins.

Aka

I do not know what to do here

.


My approach to these games, and uh feel free to ignore this paragraph, my approach is that these are puzzles to solve, and puzzles always have some sort of key. There's always a crux to the situation, some focal point where if I can determine A or B, I've solved the puzzle. It's taken me a while here (and I apologize) but I think the crux of this puzzle is the Maria/Bins thing. I think we can all agree at this point that Maria loves to bus her teammates, so at this point if I can solve if Maria/Bins was bussing or not, then I've got the game solved. From my perspective, since I have a great example of her bussing (vs implosion) and her pushing a mislynch candidate (me) then I can compare/contrast those with Bins interactions and decide which one was happening. While the above doesn't help you at all, maybe the reverse does - look at her posting against implosion D1/D2, look at her posting against you basically all game, compare/contrast those to her posts on me D4, see how that stacks up. I don't think Glork has a similar situation he can look at as I don't recall them having significant interactions.

[Papa Zito]

P.S. I understand from a gameplay standpoint but I'd just like to note that whichever one of you stuck me here, I'm not happy about it.

[Papa Zito]

I don't wanna

[Papa Zito]

the wagons



tell me nothing

[Papa Zito]

tfw you're too dumb to play mafia anymore


What do you want bins

[Papa Zito]

Other than maybe my soul or something

[Papa Zito]

if youre not going to give me anything zito

^ what are you looking for here

[Papa Zito]

So much of Glork's posting is throwing shade. There's Too Much Information Syndrome there. His T-Bone push is really terrible. I don't see gamesolving, I see agendas.

But I have equally valid reasons to vote you too. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Papa Zito]

I actually have no idea what the deadline is hang on.

[Papa Zito]

the worst, town 1-shot bulletproof, died night 6

3 alive, it's 2 to lynch. Deadline is June 20th at let's say noon. Please don't take that long.

3 days

[Papa Zito]

I've said you're both excellent scum candidates.

How is that in any way relevant to your decision? Particularly considering you've already voted today.

[Papa Zito]

There are these goofy birds walking around outside and they're fun to watch.

[Papa Zito]

Go ahead.

[Papa Zito]

nah nah

I'm posting like this.

See here? More of it.

You're gonna flip on me now right




right

[Papa Zito]

i mean, town or scum, posting like this is just going to make me flip on you

i mean, town or scum, posting like this is just going to make me flip on you

i mean, town or scum, posting like this is just going to make me flip on you

i mean, town or scum, posting like this is just going to make me flip on you

i mean, town or scum, posting like this is just going to make me flip on you

i mean, town or scum, posting like this is just going to make me flip on you

[Papa Zito]

Well?

[Papa Zito]

I don't respond well to threats.

Explain to me why you'd vote Glork on page 140 and start threatening me on page 141. What's the point of trying to pressure me at this stage Bins?

[Papa Zito]

it wasnt a threat what

This is a threat.

i mean, town or scum, posting like this is just going to make me flip on you

This is a threat.

You're threatening to flip on me. And this is directly after trying to pressure me with deadline.

[Papa Zito]

Explain to me why you'd vote Glork on page 140 and start threatening me on page 141. What's the point of trying to pressure me at this stage Bins?

[Papa Zito]

Where is my magical day 7 Bins

[Papa Zito]

You keep avoiding the question. Here it is for the 3rd time.

Explain to me why you'd vote Glork on page 140 and start threatening me on page 141. What's the point of trying to pressure me at this stage Bins?

[Papa Zito]

hellooooooooooooooooo

[Papa Zito]

why tf would i not pressure you if youve been saying you think im scum

i want a read out of you

How does someone manage to write two sentences and contradict herself in a single post.

It is a mystery.

[Papa Zito]

@Mod

I'd like to use my 50/50 lifeline plz

[Papa Zito]

I've read this thread, I dunno, 4 or 5 times over by now. I've probably put in like 40 hours on this thing, and the only conclusion I can come to is that you're both scummy as shit. My views boil down to this:

Bins

1. Claiming to want to lynch both flipped scum yet somehow managing to avoid both lynches despite ample opportunity
2. Reck's NK really only makes sense in a Bins context
3. Being a flipfloppy wishywashy mess

Glork

1. His presence on the implosion wagon made no sense given what he was posting that day
2. Most of his posting is tearing other players down, there's no attempt to work with anybody
3. Too Much Information Syndrome; aka how did he know the scumteam was 3 players


What am I supposed to do with this really

[Papa Zito]

Because I can argue it the other way, right. Maybe Bins really is just a wishywashy mess. Maybe that's why she didn't end up on those lynch wagons. Maybe the Reck kill is just a framejob designed to put us in this scenario because we've been at odds all game.

Or, maybe Glork is really just God's gift to scumhunters that RAS forever aspired to. Maybe he's just kind of a jerk for whom all this shit is just incredibly obvious and he can't believe he's being forced to drag us simpletons to the finish line.

[Papa Zito]

I can only imagine what the dead thread is like right now :}

[Papa Zito]

Or rather, was. They're probably all asleep at this point.

Btw as the only town player in this game I get to multipost, it's in my contract.

[Papa Zito]

Really?

the only conclusion I can come to is that you're both scummy as shit.

REALLY?

[Papa Zito]

Like what is the point of any of this Bins.

Let's pretend you're town. Because who the fuck actually knows. UT probably doesn't at this point. You're facing a decision! You have two players - just two! - and you have to vote for one of them. Do you:

A. Read the thread, gather information, and make an informed decision?
or
B. Ask them questions to make an informed decision?
or
C. Keep saying blatant falsehoods, vote somebody, oops nvm lol, let's go antagonize the other now?


My god but didn't she choose C ladies and gentlemen

[Papa Zito]

PS Zito what ever happened to your Maria/X interaction analysis?

It's in my head.

No, I reached out to you because Ep was a giant question mark and you just told me I'm a bad player and make bad posts. You made it p clear that you had no intention of actually interacting with me like a human being so I left you to your own devices from that point.

[Papa Zito]

You mean I:

1. Made a case as to why you're scum based on implosion;
2. Retracted that case based on Maria;
3. Reintroduced it (with additions) based on the game being 3p

?

Hot damn it's scummy to re-evaluate things based on new data, call your congressional representatives.

[Papa Zito]

Here's a question Bins: You already voted Glork once, conveniently on a Saturday morning. What's so damn scary about doing it on a Tuesday morning instead?

[Papa Zito]

why not just
vote me if you're so sure

the only conclusion I can come to is that you're both scummy as shit.

I'm being pretty extremely transparent with my thought processes right now, which once again makes it frustrating that neither of you are actually reading the words and just posting... I dunno what the fuck either of you are posting at this point. I've laid out that I have issues with

both of your slots

yet somehow you keep coming back with "you don't post stances!" and "why aren't you voting" when I've clearly (I THINK?????????????????????????????????) elucidated exactly where the fuck my headmeat is at.

Like

argh
lmao

[Papa Zito]

idk AtE gets me ok

i can be PLAYED

Like am I playing you here Bins

Is that what's happening?

Have I tried to emotionally manipulate you this game?

Hello?


Because I'm pretty sure I've been trying to logically deconstruct events and look at why they happened. That's my perspective anyway.

[Papa Zito]

I get that. So if I haven't tried to manipulate you this game then

why am I scummy to you Bins

Why are you threatening me 2 days to deadline


???????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Papa Zito]

BECAUSE YOU SHOULD HAVE AN IDEA WHO TO VOTE BY NOW

If you'd answer my damn question I would.

Also: yes

[Papa Zito]

lets end this

VOTE: glork

if i lose to zito im gonna b sad but i dont see myself deciding otherwise


god ive typed this vote out like 60 times lol

if you want my reasoning:
- mostly implosion. the fucking big list of people he thought was town and everyone on it is town except "me"/glork, so
- also implosion just hard buddying zito. which i could see as SvS but its just too many stretches
- maria would have known she was fucked and bussed the shit of zito, but i really dont think she would try something like that
- reck dying over worst. doesn't make sense EITHER way, but i don't think it makes sense from zito. did zito really fear reck? or did zito really prefer worst? nah idk.
- zito is slowly seeming to flip over to glork, but i feel like he could do it faster if he was scum and force the crossvote by now because im pretty gung ho here.

- i can see glork just hard bussing maria from the start. i know this is unlikely as well, and im sorry if im wrong about it, but to me it doesnt seem unreasonable given everything that has happened this game


zito if you are town i really hope you can see how my vote doesnt come from scum here. if i was scum i would just wait for glork to vote you as he has expressed interest in
me trying to go onto glork and trying to get YOU to hammer doesnt make sense

i think the last page hasnt really given me confidence in my vote (tbh gut reading glork as town over zito pretty much the entire game), but i hope this decision makes sense anyways

Has any of this changed

[Papa Zito]

UT HASS the frog



the end is neigh

[Papa Zito]

Like how is “your posts haven’t been giving me a good impression because of a relative lack of content, I need to see more reads and opinions from you” REFUSING TO ENGAGE?

Because that's whining.

[Papa Zito]

Ok ponyfriends, it's time to wrap this up. It's pretty clear at this point that neither of these two are going to actually talk about anything relevant or interesting.

VOTE: Glork

This is mostly due to aforementioned Bins/Maria interactions, as I don't see any reason for her to have engaged in that type of manipulation with a scumpartner. If that was the weirdest bussing in the universe then hats off to her. Meanwhile I can easily see this very endgame scenario being a Glork setup.

wee

[Papa Zito]

Paging Bins

[Papa Zito]

HA

AHAHAHA

WOOO

[Papa Zito]

WHATEVER HAPPENS

NOT MY FAULT

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Papa Zito]

You wanted me to vote and I did and now you're upset

istg

[Papa Zito]

Yeah exact same.

Holy fuck this feels good. I didn't screw up in Lylo. Eat it dead thread.

[Papa Zito]

I get to watch the birds now.



Look at this goony man.

[Papa Zito]

I ain't mad what's up

[Papa Zito]

mood

[Papa Zito]

I literally was just there so I feel you yeah.

[Papa Zito]

the only conclusion I can come to is that you're both scummy as shit.

well i think both of you are scum so its like shrugs

See.

im gettign drunk tn and ill vote when hammered

prob zito

prob

sigh

Well then we'll all be sad.

[Papa Zito]

I feel like this is the perfect end to my career yeah.

[Papa Zito]

I told myself I'd be happy that at least I got it right in the end but turns out nah

That's ok though, good try Bins.

[Papa Zito]

I'm free!