One Night Ultimate Ultimate Werewolf - Game Over

[Raven1207]

Ok. I have a lot to say.

A) In a Forum version of ONUW, you vote through the pms/dms because this is not like regular Werewolf-Mafia game where votes are public. Because if you were to vote publicly, then it would influence other people's votes. And it would be pointless to vote publicly because you could be voting someone who has a lot of info but wouldn't say anything because they know they would be doomed which would hurt a lot of players.

B) I claim that I'm Rascal

C) For the people voting Nostradamus, I think you are a little confused on how he works. He's like a Minion in this case of the game but he doesn't count as a WW but he wants to survive to see the WW team win. He doesn't cause his team to lose if he dies but he loses if he dies

[Raven1207]

wait so there's no way we can accelerate the part of the game where votes are meaningless?

There's a reason why every ONUW Forum host puts the time of how long the phase is. They become valuable when you vote in the pm/dms at the end of the game

If you look at the games we've done here, you could get a better understanding of it: https://boardgamegeek.com/forum/1442406 ... play-forum

[Raven1207]

How many roles are even in this game?

81(But 5 are in the center [LEFT, MIDDLE, RIGHT, and the 2 SIDE cards meant for Alpha Wolf and Temperess])

[Raven1207]

I started the game as the ONE AND ONLY Rascal.

I swapped with JJH.

This was all in phase 2 so I believe my night action was toward the end of the chain; I asked the mod and the recipient of the rascalization is not informed that they are rascalized.

I was really thrown by RCE claiming to have swapped with JJH or what that would mean, but I guess that was a joke? I also don't know what jjh claiming pickpocket means.

I am now the Assassin -- since I was the rascal, I was informed that my role changed based on my result, but I don't... actually know... who my target is. I think the mark of the assassin was sent out in phase 1. I am a lyncher on the person with the mark, but since (jjh?) chose the mark target in phase 1, I don't know what that is LOL. I'm basically a lyncher, but since the target is chosen at random, I wouldn't actually know if my lynch target is town or scum or what, so theoretically I can win with town.

I've been trying to figure out why Raven claimed Rascal. I asked the mod, and the Rascalized target does not KNOW they got rascalized. I also targeted JJH. So if Raven is rascal, then jjh got swapped with Raven? Or Raven is fakeclaiming, no idea. I'm a third party lyncher that doesn't know his lynch target so we're already in the territory of extreme bastard LOL

So if JJH or whoever actually started with the Mark of the Assassin card could tell me who I'm supposed to lynch that would be great LMAO

Who says I started as the Rascal? :3

Also, there's not much reason for the Assassin to claim their target if they know it won't help them out.

[Raven1207]

We have a villager traitor (shadoweh) with a really important/broken role.... if only we can convince him to help us

Villager Traitor is not a role. However, you can have a Villager with the Mark of the Traitor. The Mark of the Traitor means you win if one of your teammates dies. But if you are the only one on your team, the Mark doesn't affect you.

[Raven1207]

Villager Traitor is not a role

77 Shadoweh- Aura Seer w/ Mark of the Traitor oh booooy

I'm trying to dumb things down
We also have our instigator claim to verify- but either way his wincon is interesting, and getting him to negotiate w/ us is... interesting.

But if you are the only one on your team, the Mark doesn't affect you.

Either way, this is not the case in this game

Now those are slightly out of context I specifically said;

Villager Traitor is not a role. However, you can have a Villager with the Mark of the Traitor. The Mark of the Traitor means you win if one of your teammates dies. But if you are the only one on your team, the Mark doesn't affect you.

[Raven1207]

Sorry raven- the scrambling of trying to organize things is frying my brain and making me hallucinate up words that don't exist in posts sometimes

-FULL CLARIFICATION
Cephrir is an Instigator (villager who wins with villagers)
He gave Shadoweh the mark of traitor.

Shadoweh is an aura seer (village aligned)
HOWEVER= upon receiving the mark, his win-con changed.
He now only wins if 1 (or more) villagers (his original team) die.

Thus it might not be 100% entirely within shadoweh's best interests to fully collaborate (given his auraseeing roll...)

Now that is completely worded correctly.


Although it just occurred to me that if a Villager has the Mark of the Traitor, that they could lie about their role and/or night actions.

So in this case, Shadoweh could be a different Villager role with the Mark of the Traitor (which is bad)
Or is actually Aura Seer with the Mark of the Traitor and lie about who they saw(which is more shitty)

[Raven1207]

Sorry raven- the scrambling of trying to organize things is frying my brain and making me hallucinate up words that don't exist in posts sometimes

-FULL CLARIFICATION
Cephrir is an Instigator (villager who wins with villagers)
He gave Shadoweh the mark of traitor.

Shadoweh is an aura seer (village aligned)
HOWEVER= upon receiving the mark, his win-con changed.
He now only wins if 1 (or more) villagers (his original team) die.

Thus it might not be 100% entirely within shadoweh's best interests to fully collaborate (given his auraseeing roll...)

Now that is completely worded correctly.


Although it just occurred to me that if a Villager has the Mark of the Traitor, that they could lie about their role and/or night actions.

So in this case, Shadoweh could be a different Villager role with the Mark of the Traitor (which is bad)
Or is actually Aura Seer with the Mark of the Traitor and lie about who they saw(which is more shitty)

Being honest, I've never played Ultimate Werewolf so fakeclaiming someone seems like a lot of effort.
I know 19 people peeped/moved things, I have no idea if everyone has that knowledge




I could lie about what I saw but woah, does that seem like something I would do? I'm an honest person!

I'm just saying. There could be a slight chance that you could be lying about something in your claim

[Raven1207]

Since more people have claimed, I would like to say this

I'm the Robber that robbed the Rascal but I will not say which Rascal is real Rascal yet. I intentionally wanted to claim Rascal because I knew I was counterclaimed but I wanted to make sure the real Rascal got my trust.

In addition, I have the Mark of the Disease. So I can confirm someone adjacent to my is the Disease

[Raven1207]

got my trust.

Riiiight
For what its worth now FL is going to claim you stole his vampire roll

In addition, I have the Mark of the Disease. So I can confirm someone adjacent to my is the Disease

TatsuyaKaname #38 is Diseased and you are... #51
Care to speculate/revise?
Or are you scum just hoping to not get any votes on you?

All I can say is one of the Rascals was the original Rascal.

Also, the other thing, the disease part, could also used on the other "Disease"

[Raven1207]

can i vote myself : )

You can't vote yourself

[Raven1207]

all i have is my initial bodyguard role PM and mark of assassin

wait how is assassin supposed to get me killed if i know im being targeted

smh dont get it

The Mark of the Assassin is part of the Assassin's winning condition, they win if the person with the Mark gets killed

[Raven1207]

I have tried to understand this game.

I just don’t think my brain is up to it

Try YouTube

[Raven1207]

-Bat = You are not a vampire (wtf game mechanics

It's so if someone takes it, they know the Renfield is in play.

And it also is for just in case the Vampires convert the Renfield (but unfortunately for the Vampires, gets rid of the Mark of the Vampire)

[Raven1207]

Town is a group faction, so no.

Tanner wincon says if tanner wins, all town/wolf/vamp/etc. lose.

the plan is to lynch an alien and a vampire. If the vampire lynch fails, our backup is a villain.

The villain shouldn't be lynched unless bg shenanigan or a massive concerted scum vote swing.

Tanner can win with Villager Team but the Villager Team would have to accomplish their goal along with Tanner dying

Villains win if vampires lose.

Werewolf Team, Vampire Team, Alien Team and Supervillain Team win if their team survive to see one of the other 3 teams have one of their team member's die

[Raven1207]

Spoiler:

AHAHAHAAA oh lord
So we have an outed Werewolf nostradamus (#39 Kaniffe) Except there's one minor issue with roping him.
His neighbor (#38 TatsuyaKaname) has claimed to be the Diseased.

The diseased gives his neighbors "Marks of the Disease"
Which makes you auto lose if you vote for anyone with disease

However someone else (#51 Raven1207) Has claimed the mark of disease which implies foul play.

Nostradamus isn't actually a wolf if I remember right, he's just on the werewolf team, like minion.

Okay, I'm being slightly less lazy.

Looking at the list, these are our three.

McMenno -> Rhino.
tris -> outed by PP, unlikely to be lying about being alien, possibly lying about being Groob
Invisibility -> Either Hunter or vampire. Safe lynch.

I propose Menno shoots Vizzy who shoots a not fucked with villain and we outright lynch tris.

If we go for Hunter over Rhino, the traitor Aura Seer can win as well. Hunter dies whereas Rhino doesn't.

• Apprentice Assassin Team - An Assassin dies. = FAIL

If krazy, our "assassin", got recruited by aliens....
Does apprentice assassin just become a regular assassin..?

If krazy, our 'alien helper' gets shot...
Does that satisfy both an assassin kill and an alien kill?

No, the assassin would still be alive, so the Apprentice Assassin still needs him dead.
I think Alien Helper is not an alien, like minion to the werewolves.

Yes, Nostradamus is effectively a minion here, except unlike the minion, Nostradamus has to survive to win.

Correct, Hunter is a better lynch than Rhino for win conditions.

The point is that krazy is believed to have the mark of the assassin, so that kill would satisfy the assassin wincon (but not the apprentice assassin).

Alien Helper is not a role card, so an Alien Helper could still be an alien, but this is not necessarily the case.

Alien Helper is basically Alien's Minion. He win if the Alien Team wins

[Raven1207]

Menno on Vizzy. Vizzy on P Birb.

BG/Defender/PPifBGCurse on RCE.

These are actually important.

Is it? My wincon isn't to die.

What is your winning condition?

[Raven1207]

Plan:

If town, vote one of:

tris.
Menno.
S Noodle.

Menno on Vizzy. Vizzy on P Birb.

BG/Defender/PPifBGCurse on RCE.

If Tanner/Synthetic/Assassin/Mortician, your vote doesn't matter, suck it up.

If Wolf, vote one of Tris/S Noodle, Menno lynch gives potential for wolf-loss so you want the other two to go through.
If Villain, vote one of Menno/Tris, S Noodle is villain.
If Vampire, vote like town. You're safe if the plan works.
If Alien, vote Menno or S Noodle, tris loses you the game.
If Zerb, vote tris, and you win.
If Blob, vote like town and you win.
If Traitor, vote like town and you win.
If Family Man, vote like town and you win.

I'm not really interested in forcing people to vote specific ones, but those are the correct choices for every team.

Thanks

This is not true.

To only point out one flaw: I, as a Family Man, lose, if tris is being killed.

Not only is it wrong, it is also not smart to propose three people to kill. Town should concentrate on two people, otherwise the evil teams can outvote you. But I don't mind if you are evil, so no need for me to keep thinking about it :b

I think 19 Screaming Noodle and 07 Flavour Leaf are better options. It obviously meets my win condition, but it also seems a lot safer from what has been claimed yet. Just read through the passages that these phrases in the claim chart are based on.


Oh... and if there are some players in my family that are going to be lynched... I am not happy at all. In this case, if too few villagers agree to NOT choose people from 22 to 63, I will coordinate votes FOR TEAM EVIL. By that villagers only have enough power to kill one evil, thus not meeting the win condition and lose. I am one of the very few that can organize it for the baddies, since an actual evil person cannot do it without outing themselves. So better follow my advice! Feels good to be able to decide about the faith of dozens...

I give the villagers a day to respond to the offer. I am also happy with other players but 07 and 19. Just make me an offer!

I really wanna help out the village, because by that most people win. But if my family could be hurt, I will have to be consequent.
The clock is ticking, you 81 people. I leave you to respond.


Btw HOW LONG IS STILL LEFT? WHEN PRECISELY DOES IT END? (:

Tris is #31 and you are #22, both Family Man and Blob have 4 people that they want to save. So how do you lose if Tris is killed?

[Raven1207]

Languste's winning conditions

22 Languste
23 Silver Cyndaquil
24 themilkcartonkid
25 Klick
26 mcqueen

27 the worst
28 NerfedBuJ
29 Shad
30 Gamma Emerald
31 tris

Sliver's winning conditions
22 Languste

23 Silver Cyndaquil
24 themilkcartonkid
25 Klick
26 mcqueen
27 the worst

28 NerfedBuJ
29 Shad
30 Gamma Emerald
31 tris


So if anything, voting 22-27 would be the only bad thing

[Raven1207]

@Aristophanes

42 xyzzy- Priest (aristophanes-> This means that if a "vampire" or "assassin" gave him a mark, it's overwritten)

This wording is wrong Assassin and Apprentice Assassin come after Priest so it doesn't undo the Mark of the Assassin. Priest can only override Mark of the Vampire, Mark of Fear, Mark of the Bat, Mark of Love, Mark of Disease, and Mark of the Traitor

[Raven1207]

All I can say is one of the Rascals was the original Rascal.

@Raven
Follow up time!

Ok the Real rascal is Ziping

[Raven1207]

Neither
RCE is an apprentice tanner who's goal is to die and/or get his master tanner lynched (*thinking*)
Also his wincon means that town & all the scum teams lose so.....

Town can win with Tanner. You would just have to do a triple death involving 2 of the following:

Werewolf
Vampire
Alien
Super Villain

And then the third being the Tanner.

[Raven1207]

People who can win with Tanner:

Villagers(Assuming their agenda is accomplished)
Traitors(Assuming their teammate also dies)
Leader(Assuming Groob and Zerb are in play and neither dies)
Groob and Zerb(Assuming both are in play, the winner would outlive the other and the Tanner)
Synthetic Alien
Assassin
Apprentice Assassin
Mad Scientist and Intern
Blob
Family Man

And of course: Apprentice Tanner

[Raven1207]

a triple death

Yeah we've thought about it but the mods are quite unclear as to what happens with ties
and coordinating a tie..... with 81 players....

If it's a tie for 1st place, then only 1st place people dies

If it's a tie for 2nd place, then 1st place and all the 2nd place people dies

[Raven1207]

Plan:

If town, vote one of:

tris.
Menno.
S Noodle.

Menno on Vizzy. Vizzy on P Birb.

BG/Defender/PPifBGCurse on RCE.

If Tanner/Synthetic/Assassin/Mortician, your vote doesn't matter, suck it up.

If Wolf, vote one of Tris/S Noodle, Menno lynch gives potential for wolf-loss so you want the other two to go through.
If Villain, vote one of Menno/Tris, S Noodle is villain.
If Vampire, vote like town. You're safe if the plan works.
If Alien, vote Menno or S Noodle, tris loses you the game.
If Zerb, vote tris, and you win.
If Blob, vote like town and you win.
If Traitor, vote like town and you win.
If Family Man, vote like town and you win.

I'm not really interested in forcing people to vote specific ones, but those are the correct choices for every team.

Thanks

This is not true.

To only point out one flaw: I, as a Family Man, lose, if tris is being killed.

Not only is it wrong, it is also not smart to propose three people to kill. Town should concentrate on two people, otherwise the evil teams can outvote you. But I don't mind if you are evil, so no need for me to keep thinking about it :b

I think 19 Screaming Noodle and 07 Flavour Leaf are better options. It obviously meets my win condition, but it also seems a lot safer from what has been claimed yet. Just read through the passages that these phrases in the claim chart are based on.


Oh... and if there are some players in my family that are going to be lynched... I am not happy at all. In this case, if too few villagers agree to NOT choose people from 22 to 63, I will coordinate votes FOR TEAM EVIL. By that villagers only have enough power to kill one evil, thus not meeting the win condition and lose. I am one of the very few that can organize it for the baddies, since an actual evil person cannot do it without outing themselves. So better follow my advice! Feels good to be able to decide about the faith of dozens...

I give the villagers a day to respond to the offer. I am also happy with other players but 07 and 19. Just make me an offer!

I really wanna help out the village, because by that most people win. But if my family could be hurt, I will have to be consequent.
The clock is ticking, you 81 people. I leave you to respond.


Btw HOW LONG IS STILL LEFT? WHEN PRECISELY DOES IT END? (:

Tris is #31 and you are #22, both Family Man and Blob have 4 people that they want to save. So how do you lose if Tris is killed?

So much quoting going on :b

Yeah this 4 additional player thing comes from the game being meant to be played with 10 people at max. And since it is a bit pointless to keep 4 other players alive (I am almost guranteed to win), I proposed a challenge that also Silver accepted: Simply increase the number of people we have to save by factor 10 xD
Because a blob/family should be half of the player count (rounding up if it is odd). So it perfectly fits it, 41 including ourselves out of 81.


Furthermore, I am a friendly person. You all are the children I am happy to be responsible for <3 I am your father, so please show some respect to the head of the family that is feeding you ;3
And now, clean your room, son Raven! :3

Apparently the mod wanted an easy win for Family Man

Family Man absorbs the four players to their left (higher numbers)

[Raven1207]

@Aristophanes

42 xyzzy- Priest (aristophanes-> This means that if a "vampire" or "assassin" gave him a mark, it's overwritten)

This wording is wrong Assassin and Apprentice Assassin come after Priest so it doesn't undo the Mark of the Assassin. Priest can only override Mark of the Vampire, Mark of Fear, Mark of the Bat, Mark of Love, Mark of Disease, and Mark of the Traitor

Neat!

Do I have a mark??

If the Priest did as they said, then you would have a Mark of Clarity but wouldn't know if you got otherwise

[Raven1207]

@Aristophanes

42 xyzzy- Priest (aristophanes-> This means that if a "vampire" or "assassin" gave him a mark, it's overwritten)

This wording is wrong Assassin and Apprentice Assassin come after Priest so it doesn't undo the Mark of the Assassin. Priest can only override Mark of the Vampire, Mark of Fear, Mark of the Bat, Mark of Love, Mark of Disease, and Mark of the Traitor

Neat!

Do I have a mark??

If the Priest did as they said, then you would have a Mark of Clarity but wouldn't know if you got otherwise

I mean you wouldn't know if it override something else before it

[Raven1207]

Can't confirm- was under the impression that it's all the scum teams but not villagers

It's not explicit that town instalose, but the wincons are mutually exclusive. You can't have 2 scum and a tanner die, no scum are vengeful.

but the wincons are mutually exclusive

Ties
I know coordinating that w/ 81 people is damn near impossible even if everyone is 100% honest.
But to be eligible for a lynch you just need to have the same number of votes as the other guys

Primary = 10 votes (player 1)
Secondary = 9 votes (players 2,3,4....)

Obviously there's no way to get scum to cooperate but *shrugs* options

Ah. My playgroup has ruled ties in Epic to be scumwins.

@JANGLE more people dare challenge your authority

But ok @raven even it's hypothetically mechanically possible... do you still want to try?

If you wanted to help Tanner win, then you are forcing the evil teams you can win with us to lose.

It's either Villager Team, Werewolf Team, Vampire Team(?), Zerb, Family Man Teams, and Traitor wins

Or

Villagers Team, Tanner Team, Zerb, Family Man Teams and Traitor win.


Option 2 leads to more losers and would require 4 people dying if we are helping the Traitor (Tanner, Villager, Groob and Vampire/Supervillain)


We are better off letting the Tanner team lose if we were going to try get the most winners

[Raven1207]

Is this game basically just negotiating now?

It basically depends on who you are helping to win

[Raven1207]

do we really need a week and a half for that?

I agree that 2 weeks is way too much as nothing much has changed

[Raven1207]

OK!!


01 ASKGARD
02 MCMENTOS
03 INVIRSIRBIRLITY
04 NONOSPAM
05 JONGLE
06 PUNKBILLS
07 FAVORLIFE
08 CLOMPCY
09 ICORNAM
10 BIGHTYFISH
11 OFRZHRZHFR
12 FOOSTEROO
13 REDONKULOUS TRITUS
14 usux
15 DR WORM
16 TEMPORARYLIMP
17 CHAMIST
18 ARISTOPHONES
19 SCRAMMINGNOODZ
20 DOTTYMOM
21 OVERKELP
22 LANGONSTONE
23 SALVER CYRODILL
24 MILKYCARTOONKID
25 KLICKY
26 MCWEEN
27 THEWORTED
28 NERDBUG
29 SHARD
30 GAMMY EMROLD
31 TRES
32 RUERBERNWASFINED
33 GROKINGLETON
34 ZIPZINGZANG
35 RCENGINE
36 BAUAUAZE
37 PIRATEI
38 TATAMI KANOMI
39 KANIFEEL
40 ELJA SAY
41 KRAAAAAAZY
42 XYZYZZZYXYZXY
43 CEPHIRIR
44 EMPIRE OF FLIPZNIPZ
45 DR EZ BAKU
46 NOTJOMBLENOMBLES
47 FACERAN
48 OUR LORD AND SAVIOR
49 PVTURINE
50 MONCH
51 ROVAN1207
52 PETTY BARD
53 BLACKTAR
54 JJHHHHHH
55 TURIN TURIN TURIN
56 EVILDARNEST
57 CHACHA
58 CMP9000
59 CARE BAVALREY
60 NOT MORE A FISH
61 EYES W FACE NOPE
62 ZESTY LOAF
63 POWERBRANG
64 ARCHER
65 CHENNYDING
66 BUNS
67 RYAY
68 CREATINE
69 VOXCALLER
70 VIDARAJA
71 ORANUS
72 FREEBRANGER
73 PUDARK
74 VOATED
75 BALLOFPHANT
76 SLOKKEN
77 SHARDOW
78 MARSCON
79 CIMMINON
80 IRRPHELAMENT
81 PONGWIN

Raven

1207

[Raven1207]

So now what?

[Raven1207]

Also mods aren't being that helpful regarding whether or not assassin gets to see the apprentice assassin in this game. Like, they said it was possible? And it's getting kinda annoying because this is info I should have

but I think apprentice assassin could well have been that missing centre card

After the Assassin gives the Mark, the Apprentice Assassin then wakes up and the Assassin and Apprentice Assassin see each other

[Raven1207]

if your number is divisible by 3 vote x

So what kind of vote are we doing?

[Raven1207]

i thought we only get 2 lynches

You can get 3 as long as there is a tie for 2nd but not 1st

[Raven1207]

How is the Ricochet Rhino different from the Hunter?

Ricochet will redirect the votes from himself onto the players he's voting (and therefore won't die himself)
Hunter dies and kills the player he's voting for

No. R.R. is another Hunter. Beizer Games had disputed this claim.

[Raven1207]

I could have won if a Villain voted for me .3.

[Raven1207]

One thing I hated that I told the mod in the pms is that he was missing part of the script for when the Doppelganger copies another player's role on certain roles. With the app, it would say stuff like, "Doppelganger, if you viewed XXX, do XXX". Even if the Doppelganger didn't copy that specific role, the script for doing those part are still important. A person could still use them as a claim if they are evil. Or if the Doppelganger turns evil, they could use them as an excuse. It pissed me off a little when the mod ignore me and said it was irrelevant to put on the script. But to be honest, if you are using every role in the series, then every part of the script matters. In fact, on BGG, I was doing an all random game where anyone could any possible role(this was before ONUSV was a thing and I wrote a script that was very worded that can be seen here:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/203751 ... -it-win-it

And everything was included it including all the Doppelganger ones.

I felt cautious before joining this and my feelings seem to have been right about joining this, it's beside to what I already said, that I had a very good feeling the Villager Team was going to lose as our winning was more harder than the other teams. When you have 81 players with many different winning conditions, it is hard to point in the direction that would give the most players a win. It's hard for everyone to "trust" that we going to vote for the right people with this big of a group. Some of us had no info to go on and had to trust the people who did. Others like me and pytdarque would be apprehensive on who's team we were going to end with. Others like the suicidal roles and their apprentices knew they were going to lose. The Alien Team would in deep dooty with both Groob and Zerb outting their team and hoping the other died(Which also heart the Leader's chances of winning). I feel like this was a bad idea of doing with all the chaos there were. Although it could have been more worst if the Village Idiot didn't start in the center. It could have screwed teams more and could have made it where most of the Indies would have won and left the other teams, Villagers and bad guys.

[Raven1207]

I just noticed one of Vokruta's comment about me

@vokruta

Yes I lied but was a Villager with a condition. The condition being that if a got voted by a Super Villain, I would become a Super Villain and join there team. I was a little worried on who would vote me an was a little nervous that one of the solo votes would vote me if they were a Super Villain. Yes I could have said that I was Windy Wendy but then that means I could lose they lose or I lose because they won and not vote for me. The Cursed would also be in a similar position as me but with the Werewolf Team. But both of would rely on one vote between the difference of winning and losing.

[Raven1207]

Yeah that's completely fair

I'm just much more used to core!scum lying/bluffing as opposed to negative-utlity!town lying.
You probably did what was optimal, and I didn't pressure you by asking "how many rascals/robbers are there in total?"

Yeah. Although that does make me think, our plan during the game was to kill a Werewolf + Zerb or Vampire + Zerb, and Super Villains were in a safe spot of winning. Which could have been a good time to say, "Hey I was lying about before and I'm actually Windy Wendy"

[Raven1207]

Actually, claiming cursed/windy wendy is a pretty good way to conftown yourself when there's a situation with a known town majority. The only reason scum votes them is to convince them to vote with scum. So long as the town has the ability to lynch at will, scum will always have a better chance not recruiting them, since they're another slot that can die.

True but some players can be assholes and force the Cursed/Windy Wendy and force them to lose with them. Which if we were following the plan more correctly, then it would have put pytdarque in a more harder position in that case

[Raven1207]

I just noticed that there's 61 votes in total out 81 people. This is another reason why this game shouldn't have happened as not everyone voted in the end, which in a game like ONUW, everyone's votes do matter. This hurts not only the Villagers team(as there would have enough people to have a triple death) but the game as well because it doesn't seem right for someone to not vote but end up winning because one of the bad guy teams(Aliens, Werewolves, Vampires or Super Villains) could have all decided to not vote and mess with the votes to where the votes lean towards someone on one of the other bad guy teams and trigger them to win. This is why you can't have a game like ONUW with this size along with the fact that a lot of players who didn't even talk also won.

[Raven1207]

If any of you are interested, we always to games on here: https://boardgamegeek.com/forum/1442406 ... play-forum

You would just have to make an account on BGG.

[Raven1207]

Except we don't use

all

the roles at once

[Raven1207]

We are actually getting signups for this game: https://boardgamegeek.com/article/32385118#32385118