One Night Ultimate Ultimate Werewolf - Game Over

[jjh927]

Yo if you're gonna out results early you should lie about them

[jjh927]

That way you catch people out when you tell the truth later

[jjh927]

Jingle, I know it's good play but I don't particularly want to even try to organise massclaim with this many players

[jjh927]

I feel like an awful lot of people signed up for this as a shitshow because lol 81 players

[jjh927]

acceptable votes

krazy
languste
chennisden
jumbleofnumbers

unacceptable votes

vorkuta
klick
penguin
roster
ausuka
raven

idk what any of this means in terms of mechanics if people can swap.

Vissy's town good

why

This is a game you need to mechanically solve

Stop trying to place people. As I see it, a good portion of the game is basically bullshitting about who swapped with who.




Oh also I'm the pickpocket

[jjh927]

i would maybe think youre more likely to be scum if you did so based on track record.
lol.

p-edit: i mean im just gonna afk if i cant play the game.

You can play the game, it's just massclaim is the first step to having any chance of solving anything.

This isn't mafia. You aren't trying to figure out who is bad based on where they are putting votes. You try to figure out who is bad based on who you believe the claims of and follow the mechanics.

There are all these teams, but really, nobody is on a hard team here. Everyone needs to play to win individually

[jjh927]

Mark of clarity is the consolation prize for not getting a cooler mark

[jjh927]

It means everyone has a mark so you can't go "Hey that guy has a mark and I know because we're IRL and have eyes" in order to determine who's had funky shit done via marks

[jjh927]

For those who joined this expecting a somewhat coherent game of Mafia with scumhunting and might not have read all the rules:

This game is different. We're not playing Mafia in the traditional sense. This probably fits better in the Mish Mash queue. This game will be much more about role mechanics and breaking the setup, and chances are only a few people here will be hugely successful in that. Also, there is a decent chance your current alignment is not the same as the one you started with, so you might want to keep that in mind.

If anyone reading this could pop in to claim their role (just your role for now, not your actions), that would be very helpful in moving this game forward!

(anyone can feel free to quote this at people when they come in asking what's going on!)

So are you gonna claim or what since you clearly understand what's going on

[jjh927]

If you claim your role then you'll have done your bit

[jjh927]

If you claim, you can coast the rest of the game and shitpost while other people gamesolve and then just sheep someone at the end

[jjh927]

its fine man. u doing okay though?

meh feeling kind of stupid lol you?

i am alright, really starving though. Probably going to get sushi in a bit.

i feel stupid for signing up if everyone is going to play this like some mish mash puzzle though.

It IS a mish mash puzzle

[jjh927]

I didn't swap with jjh I was memeing him.

I mean you say this but that's a really randomly specific meme

Yo if you're gonna out results early you should lie about them

[jjh927]

Tbh though I figured because there's this underlying THING in a game this size where anything could be going on where you're probably gonna choose to act on people you know better than others

[jjh927]

I’m a mason
Should I say who with?

Yeah

No downside to claiming and you don't REALLY know each other's alignments any more than you know your own alignment

[jjh927]

I'd follow Jingle since I've only played one night once but I don't really see a reason

[jjh927]

I think the main pro I can think of would be for everyone else if you were fakeclaiming since you wouldn't be able to tell your scumbuddies your plan to fakeclaim mason in advance?

[jjh927]

I mean it's gonna be damn near impossible to get a complete picture on this one

[jjh927]

I really can't see everyone in the game claiming so

[jjh927]

even if they do there's still so much shit floating around but we only need to get a very little bit of the game right

[jjh927]

JJH if you started as assassin could you tell me who you marked please?

No

[jjh927]

I mean, there's no point in me pretending I wasn't the assassin now

[jjh927]

Because there's no circumstance under which you could think to do this as some intricate 4d chess play

[jjh927]

But I don't think there's actually a reason for me to tell you who your target is right now. I might tell you later

[jjh927]

There are no reads

[jjh927]

Also, Krazy, you could have just coasted and got me to win the game for you

[jjh927]

I claimed pickpocket and was waiting on the counterclaim for some mechanical bullshit

You might have been able to infer my target at some point after that begun

IDK what would have happened I didn't really have that much of a plan

[jjh927]

You should swap out my claim to assassin

[jjh927]

You should swap out my claim to assassin

What was the order/night portion in which krazy/you did stuff?

I gave someone the mark (Who should not claim because it makes their death considerably more likely when the assassin doesn't know who they need to kill)


Krazy later got my card but doesn't know who I targeted

[jjh927]

Vanilla is the most boring fakeclaim guys

[jjh927]

Even if you're town fakeclaiming pick something spicier and gambit at people

[jjh927]

You should swap out my claim to assassin

I mean in that case TECHNICALLY
seeing as your WIN-CON is NO LONGER "kill the dude with the mark of assassin"....

Guh
Shoot

Yeah but I was objectively lying about being the pickpocket lmao

[jjh927]

You can't vote

[jjh927]

Voting in this game is done simultaneously by multiple plurality at the end of the day

[jjh927]

Claim a role with good intentions and try to figure out what card you have in front of you and then go and achieve your wincon

[jjh927]

I was objectively lying

I hate you
Life is so simple right?

Anyway- so YOU USED TO BE the assassin and gave someone an assassin token.
NOW you have every reason that Krazy has the assassin card, and you're some rando?

Apparently I'm the rascal, yeah

And Krazy doesn't know who he's gotta kill to win the game

Notionally, this could still be a 4d chess play where he's actually just looked at my card and is trying to get me to reveal my target. There are other circumstances which mean it's not pro-me to reveal so my lips are sealed until I determine that it is, in fact, pro-me.

[jjh927]

I don't think there's any good indication of that

[jjh927]

There are functionally two phases of being given rolecards-

there's the shit that affects other rolecards before people look at them

and then everyone would see the rolecards they have after that, at that specific point

[jjh927]

More than one person claiming to have seen no card but the vanilla villager is impossible

But that doesn't actually matter because being caught in a fakeclaim means jackshit for your survival in this game

[jjh927]

but there are effects that change around rolecards after they've been looked at, too?

Yes, and these form a pretty important part of the game

[jjh927]

Roles that go first and affect other roles before they are revealed (Doppelganger, Oracle, etc) need to be resolved first, and then other roles can be sent out.

[jjh927]

Right okay, so really the only thing with this "night phase" stuff is resolution order

[jjh927]

Lying isn't alignment indicative when you don't know your own alignment

[jjh927]

We play mafia by calling things pro-town or anti-town

In this game, play pro-you. Figure out what card you have in front of you and win with it.

[jjh927]

Wait so roles could still change as of right now?

No, but you have no way of knowing FOR SURE what rolecard is in front of you because of actions in the night phase

[jjh927]

As we share knowledge which could be truth or fabrication, your understanding of the card in front of you will surely change

[jjh927]

Stop claiming results

[jjh927]

What if you're not groob any more and you just told someone who is now groob who they have to kill

[jjh927]

Iconeum being zerb is functionally a result

[jjh927]

Hey I think I've got something to start dumping on pagetops

[jjh927]

Maybe you can quote this too

[jjh927]

This game is not really mafia
You do not vote until day end
Don't try to place people
You should claim a role because this is a puzzle game
You should probably strongly consider claiming your real role
If you choose to fakeclaim, don't overthink it because...

There's a good chance you do not have your starting role in front of you.

That means you do not actually know what your wincon is until you untangle the mess of claims that is to come

This is why it'd be pretty cool if everyone could claim

But don't claim your results yet because they'll be more useful to you later

Knowledge that only you have is useful to untangling the mess of claims that is to come

That mark of clarity you have is not special. It just means you don't a different mark.

Most people with non-clarity marks are probably gonna want to claim they have marks of clarity.
A good portion of the game is about gambitting with the knowledge you have

So again, do not claim your results yet because they'll be more useful to you later.

Also lying about them is a pretty basic gambit
Play to discover and achieve your wincon

Do not just mindlessly play to the wincon on the rolecard you have seen because you might not have it any more

But do hedge a bit because that is the most likely card in the game to still be in front of you
Just it could be anything else either

[jjh927]

I think FL functionally claimed insomniac but not the new card

[jjh927]

Not claiming is basically avoiding the game

[jjh927]

Without claims I'm pretty sure it'd be completely random who wins, whereas if people actually participate it becomes a game of truth and lies and gambits

[jjh927]

Maybe I should add a thing about how you probably don't have to read the game, only the summaries of it and how to play it

[jjh927]

[jjh927]

This game is not really mafia
You do not vote until day end
Don't try to place people
You don't really need to read the game, just claim and read the summaries
You should claim a role because this is a puzzle game
You should probably strongly consider claiming your real role
If you choose to fakeclaim, don't overthink it because...

There's a good chance you do not have your starting role in front of you.

That means you do not actually know what your wincon is until you untangle the mess of claims that is to come

This is why it'd be pretty cool if everyone could claim

But don't claim your results yet because they'll be more useful to you later

Knowledge that only you have is useful to untangling the mess of claims that is to come

That mark of clarity you have is not special. It just means you don't have a different mark.

Most people with non-clarity marks are probably gonna want to claim they have marks of clarity.
A good portion of the game is about gambitting with the knowledge you have

So again, do not claim your results yet because they'll be more useful to you later.

Also lying about them is a pretty basic gambit
Play to discover and achieve your wincon

Do not just mindlessly play to the wincon on the rolecard you have seen because you might not have it any more

But do hedge a bit because that is the most likely card in the game to still be in front of you
Just it could be anything else either

[jjh927]

Oh!

I got a Mark of Clarity.

So did I! I was hoping for things to be a bit clearer after getting that, but alas, twas not to be.

That mark of clarity you have is not special. It just means you don't have a different mark.
Most people with non-clarity marks are probably gonna want to claim they have marks of clarity.

[jjh927]

The game's bastard and doesn't guarantee our alignments. Who wins is already pretty random for most of uss, massclaim or no massclaim.

Playing the game out will increase your odds

[jjh927]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[jjh927]

There can be a dance party when everyone has claimed

[jjh927]

I started with Voodoo Lou and swapped my own role with a center card

This is a correct claim. You outed what you do, but not what you recieved.

Once EVERYONE claims, we have claim tier two, where you out what cards you interacted with. Some number of these people will want to lie, to try and create false confessions.

Once this process is over, we have claim tier three, where everyone FULLCLAIMS.

At this point, we find the logical potential for scumlynches, outed scum, etc. If we do this all well enough, we lynch scum of two opposing teams and win. The various scumteams will all try to obfuscate results.

I doubt I'll understand the mechanics of the game by the time I finish catching up, but I also think I'll shut up until I do catch up. I can't even decide if massclaiming serves the town or scum better at this point, so maybe someone else will present an argument I can understand and evaluate.

Massclaiming will assist in your quest to determine what your own wincon is right now, allowing you to play to it

[jjh927]

Can I come to the dance party without claiming?

No

[jjh927]

The closest you get to pro-town in this game is a mutually beneficial arrangement between players, preferably in the form of organised massclaim and later in the form of scheming to vote

[jjh927]

Don't claim what you did yet

[jjh927]

Everyone should read this post

This game is not really mafia
You do not vote until day end
Don't try to place people
You don't really need to read the game, just claim and read the summaries
You should claim a role because this is a puzzle game
You should probably strongly consider claiming your real role
If you choose to fakeclaim, don't overthink it because...

There's a good chance you do not have your starting role in front of you.

That means you do not actually know what your wincon is until you untangle the mess of claims that is to come

This is why it'd be pretty cool if everyone could claim

But don't claim your results yet because they'll be more useful to you later

Knowledge that only you have is useful to untangling the mess of claims that is to come

That mark of clarity you have is not special. It just means you don't have a different mark.

Most people with non-clarity marks are probably gonna want to claim they have marks of clarity.
A good portion of the game is about gambitting with the knowledge you have

So again, do not claim your results yet because they'll be more useful to you later.

Also lying about them is a pretty basic gambit
Play to discover and achieve your wincon

Do not just mindlessly play to the wincon on the rolecard you have seen because you might not have it any more

But do hedge a bit because that is the most likely card in the game to still be in front of you
Just it could be anything else either

[jjh927]

I'm more interested in lynching jjh than RCE tbh. But in general, lynch all liars sounds like a good policy for this game.

What is your plan for when it is determined that more than 2 people have lied

[jjh927]

I'm so lost right now. Worst help me out, you guys looking for claims first and then actions later if we have them?

Also not the worst but yes. We're looking to put together this mass of claims so that we can start on the mechanics. It's a floodgate kind of thing- you don't want to let all your information out at once, you need to ration it out and gambit at other people in order to obtain more information in case you have to craft a believable lie or catch someone out in one because you don't actually know your wincon, but we can all only determine how we ought to be playing if everyone shares information

[jjh927]

Everyone should read this post

This game is not really mafia
You do not vote until day end
Don't try to place people
You don't really need to read the game, just claim and read the summaries
You should claim a role because this is a puzzle game
You should probably strongly consider claiming your real role
If you choose to fakeclaim, don't overthink it because...

There's a good chance you do not have your starting role in front of you.

That means you do not actually know what your wincon is until you untangle the mess of claims that is to come

This is why it'd be pretty cool if everyone could claim

But don't claim your results yet because they'll be more useful to you later

Knowledge that only you have is useful to untangling the mess of claims that is to come

That mark of clarity you have is not special. It just means you don't have a different mark.

Most people with non-clarity marks are probably gonna want to claim they have marks of clarity.
A good portion of the game is about gambitting with the knowledge you have

So again, do not claim your results yet because they'll be more useful to you later.

Also lying about them is a pretty basic gambit
Play to discover and achieve your wincon

Do not just mindlessly play to the wincon on the rolecard you have seen because you might not have it any more

But do hedge a bit because that is the most likely card in the game to still be in front of you
Just it could be anything else either

[jjh927]

[jjh927]

If I make enough informative memes, the game's quality will be increased not only by prevalence of memes but also by allowing people to more easily understand how they ought to be playing it

[jjh927]

Do you wanna even fake a claim PP

[jjh927]

That way you get to be included in the list and imo that's a victory for bureaucracy

[jjh927]

ayy someone made a spicy fakeclaim

[jjh927]

You swap everything. Rolecard includes wincon

[jjh927]

You did "receive" a new card but you don't get to look at it

Also note that someone else could have swapped after you did, and that marks exist that could make people evil regardless of rolecard

[jjh927]

Everyone should read this post

This game is not really mafia
You do not vote until day end
Don't try to place people
You don't really need to read the game, just claim and read the summaries
You should claim a role because this is a puzzle game
You should probably strongly consider claiming your real role
If you choose to fakeclaim, don't overthink it because...

There's a good chance you do not have your starting role in front of you.

That means you do not actually know what your wincon is until you untangle the mess of claims that is to come

This is why it'd be pretty cool if everyone could claim

But don't claim your results yet because they'll be more useful to you later

Knowledge that only you have is useful to untangling the mess of claims that is to come

That mark of clarity you have is not special. It just means you don't have a different mark.

Most people with non-clarity marks are probably gonna want to claim they have marks of clarity.
A good portion of the game is about gambitting with the knowledge you have

So again, do not claim your results yet because they'll be more useful to you later.

Also lying about them is a pretty basic gambit
Play to discover and achieve your wincon

Do not just mindlessly play to the wincon on the rolecard you have seen because you might not have it any more

But do hedge a bit because that is the most likely card in the game to still be in front of you
Just it could be anything else either

[jjh927]

Oh shit their numbers being next to each other is a super important development

[jjh927]

I do greatly appreciate it fwiw

[jjh927]

Also I got a mark of clarity. No clue what it's good for.

That mark of clarity you have is not special. It just means you don't have a different mark.
Most people with non-clarity marks are probably gonna want to claim they have marks of clarity.

[jjh927]

[jjh927]

I'm more interested in lynching jjh than RCE tbh. But in general, lynch all liars sounds like a good policy for this game.


I'm more interested in lynching jjh than RCE tbh. But in general, lynch all liars sounds like a good policy for this game.

I just want to remind people that this is multiple plurality lynching

that takes place in the next stage (after 2 weeks)

and 'anonymously'

Also (I'm assuming your wincon is town so wtv)- you don't win by voting ircher.
You win by voting 1 of each scum and not losing.

Someone explain how lynching works exactly btw. We each have one vote right? How many lynches are there? Two?

Everyone votes via pm once

The person with the most votes is lynched
The person with the second most votes is then lynched

[jjh927]

This....this is just too many posts in so little time.

I've definitely seen worse. I think I've seen games from Varsoon and mastina that were large themes get 100 pages in less than 1 IRL day.

Pedit: THat seems rather impossible to win as town. How exactly is town supposed to coordinate votes on two targets when they only have 1 vote each?

Well it starts with massclaim

[jjh927]

Obviously it's gonna be hard because it's such a big game but this has gotta be attempted

[jjh927]

On the flip side, because it's such a big game, if a few sane town people can reach a consensus to be sheeped, statistics can do the coordination regardless of alignment and we just say odd play numbers vote one guy and even votes the other. That way also minimalises the amount of counterplay scum can do

[jjh927]

Then depending on who was lynched the results get announced and some people win and losers lose.

This means we only lynch two players from the starting 81?? Sounds impossible for town to win we need to eliminate 2 out of 4

teams

We need to eliminate one member out of 2 different teams

[jjh927]

Ayyy we're on the same track with odds/evens

[jjh927]

Sounds impossible for town to win we need to eliminate 2 out of 4 teams

Does your role pm tell you that you have to

eliminate 2 teams

?

No my role PM told me I needed to eliminate the person with the mark of the assassin that I handed off to someone but I don't have that any more

[jjh927]

Sorry I had to

[jjh927]

Oh yeah this is actually a game where you can negotiate with terrorists

[jjh927]

6 wolves, +1 via side card
4 vamps + 1 via mark of vamp
4 aliens, except 1 is groob and 1 is zerb, +1 via body snatcher
4 villains, +1 via side card

[jjh927]

That's not a useful conversation to have so can it

[jjh927]

Also note that there were 3 centre cards, one of which was logically the village idiot

[jjh927]

jjh is almost certainly town
he's a mechanical player but scum!jjh doesn't bother posting this much

Wrong

I started off thinking I was an assassin and now I think I'm town but I might not be

Stop trying to get reads; this is a completely different kind of game

[jjh927]

There is no pressure in this game

There is nothing to make it more difficult for me mentally to post as any alignment in this game, not least because I don't even know my alignment and neither does anyone else

This is pretty much entirely mechanics and lie detection down the line



BUT until then it's about getting people to understand basic premises about how the game and its mechanics work

[jjh927]

Is the assassin like a SK or something?

It's a lyncher that chooses its target (although the target could notionally move)

[jjh927]

I'm mostly just hyperposting because people either have questions that they are asking or clear misconceptions about the game that need to be addressed and that's what I live for

[jjh927]

Speaking of things that I'm doing

Everyone should read this post

This game is not really mafia
You do not vote until day end
Don't try to place people
You don't really need to read the game, just claim and read the summaries
You should claim a role because this is a puzzle game
You should probably strongly consider claiming your real role
If you choose to fakeclaim, don't overthink it because...

There's a good chance you do not have your starting role in front of you.

That means you do not actually know what your wincon is until you untangle the mess of claims that is to come

This is why it'd be pretty cool if everyone could claim

But don't claim your results yet because they'll be more useful to you later

Knowledge that only you have is useful to untangling the mess of claims that is to come

That mark of clarity you have is not special. It just means you don't have a different mark.

Most people with non-clarity marks are probably gonna want to claim they have marks of clarity.
A good portion of the game is about gambitting with the knowledge you have

So again, do not claim your results yet because they'll be more useful to you later.

Also lying about them is a pretty basic gambit
Play to discover and achieve your wincon

Do not just mindlessly play to the wincon on the rolecard you have seen because you might not have it any more

But do hedge a bit because that is the most likely card in the game to still be in front of you
Just it could be anything else either

[jjh927]

Read that post and claim

[jjh927]

Don't bother reading anything else it's not important

[jjh927]

There is one but don't worry about fakeclaiming badly

[jjh927]

There's a team/third party called "apprentice assassin"

We'll get to that at some point because that's a result

[jjh927]

There is

one

I feel offended

Well, there's only one list with everyone's claims up until now on it

[jjh927]

Oh also I didn't give the assassin mark to a random. I chose.

[jjh927]

No there's only one list

[jjh927]

Come on, fakeclaim already

[jjh927]

At least one person's probably gonna have the same claim as you eventually anyway

Also there's not even a particularly great reason to hide if you're scum

[jjh927]

Nobody tell Krazy but I can lie about who has the mark of the assassin and his best shot at winning is still to believe what I say

[jjh927]

Ah, but such roles probably ought to lie if they had anything to do with the mark of the assassin in this particular gamestate

[jjh927]

Hey shouldn't that mean that a centre card is public knowledge

[jjh927]

Or am I just misunderstanding

[jjh927]

Poop can be hot

[jjh927]

I feel we can nail FL down to three scenarios

1. Just bullshitting for FL reasons
B. His role let him see his card at the end of the night and he doesn't like it
III. He's a tanner

[jjh927]

Also I am 100% going to be trying to manipulate the town so I win but not yet and also I'm probably town

[jjh927]

There's no team in I

[jjh927]

Okay so your wincon is on your rolecard.

And you get to see the rolecard you start the game with.

And then people do all their shit.

And then we play the game.


A good portion of the role shit involves swapping roles around.

Your wincon is linked to the role you have right now, not the role you HAD, and you don't necessarily know if you've been swapped.

[jjh927]

Figure out your wincon or your impact on the game will be pure chance

In order to figure out your wincon you need information from other people

so we all share a little bit of information

then we all share a little bit more

then we share a little bit more

and at times we take a little bit aside to call out bullshit and get closer to the truth
and we will no doubt in some cases reach a point where the bullshit and the truth are indiscernible, but we must press on nonetheless

and it starts with massclaim

[jjh927]

Getting multiple kills via convenient shit like that is a good way to stack the odds in town's favour

[jjh927]

That's very useful info for later

[jjh927]

We thank the villains for their cooperation and hereby commit to building a statue in their honour

[jjh927]

That mark of clarity you have is not special. It just means you don't have a different mark.
Most people with non-clarity marks are probably gonna want to claim they have marks of clarity.

[jjh927]

I hereby declare this page the Vorkuta appreciation page

[jjh927]

Hooray for Vork, without whose heroic efforts we would be totally fucked

[jjh927]

Wait, do we have full Allen and Whampire team claims?

And I actually HIT with a curator token? The fuck, that never happens.

Less game shit and more praising Vork for another dozen or so posts

[jjh927]

It's defo pm or we'd be able to influence each other

[jjh927]

I've theoretically got a large theme game coming up when I get around to designing a significant part of the mechanics

[jjh927]

I could help you get a pagetop since I've hardly been doing anything in this game lately

[jjh927]

I'm still town right

[jjh927]

Take your pagetop

[jjh927]

Yo so funny thing I might have some info, might not, gotta ask the mod

[jjh927]

You know how the role master list says that the assassin sees the apprentice assassin?

My role PM didn't say anything along those lines so it could just be a mod decision on not doing that but I can confirm I defo didn't see anyone

[jjh927]

so obviously I'm asking the mods about that now, but if it works like that then presumably one of the centre cards would have been apprentice assassin- although I might have expected a "You didn't see anyone" pm or something so I'm assuming nope

[jjh927]

Do you think we're getting more claims, Vork, or would this be a good time to out any more probably inconsequential information I have?

Also, does saying who got the mark of the assassin actually do anything for Krazy if he's the alien helper?

[jjh927]

One of the two lazy lurkers next to me apparently bumped me

[jjh927]

Since turin is 100% a yume alt and I've played with Blackstar I think at least twice, it could have been either of them

[jjh927]

Any thoughts or insight into what role would do that?

[jjh927]

It's looking more likely that one of the centre cards was the apprentice assassin

[jjh927]

My accepted parody name is jjhnumbers but whatever

[jjh927]

What do we think were the centre cards at the start of the game?

[jjh927]

Also I still haven't said who has the mark of the assassin. Does anyone actually care now?

[jjh927]

Binsy lol claimed it I think

uhhh
-VI
-Henchman #7
-Copycat
-Alphawolf card

Booooooooo

[jjh927]

But yeah it was bins

[jjh927]

Also mods aren't being that helpful regarding whether or not assassin gets to see the apprentice assassin in this game. Like, they said it was possible? And it's getting kinda annoying because this is info I should have

but I think apprentice assassin could well have been that missing centre card

[jjh927]

You do realise there's no way to get some people to vote early because they haven't posted or looked at the game?

[jjh927]

Pretty sure this kind of thing always has to be unanimous

[jjh927]

Tris, the second highest voted player, is dead. She was. .

Groob

an Alien on Groob team, her goal was to kill the Zerb player and survive.

The highest voted player was McMenno. He was a ..

Ricochet Rhino

, a town who, if voted up, whoever he is voting for also dies, he voted for Iconium who was. . .

Zerb

an Alien on Zerb team, their goal was to kill the Groob player and survive.

Two aliens and one town died. Winners/losers and role reveals incoming.

Really McMenno, really? We had a plan and you deviated from it....

No, a big collection of impatient people decided to end the day before we could confirm all the cogs in the plan were aware of the plan

[jjh927]

Can I also take a moment to say that mods should never do something not written in the rules (eg day ending early) without total unanimity

[jjh927]

Lol at mcmenno also causing blob to lose

[jjh927]

We lost because people were in a rush to end the day, mostly for no good reason, and night started before we confirmed the plan with key individuals

[jjh927]

Also I still maintain that it was a really bad moderator decision to end the day early with what, 50% of votes? We were not properly informed about this mechanic, and it was a rule change midgame that wasn't elaborated on in any detail at any point that happened with no warning. This kind of thing should always require both unanimity and good communication.

[jjh927]

Unanimity in a game with 81 players and people who hadn't even posted in the game? Okay

Yep. Or at least something closer to it than 50%, which just isn't enough.

[jjh927]

Well yeah, the fact that it's a midgame rule change to the benefit and detriment of different factions in the game is what makes it such a bad decision