EVERYTHING IS COMPLETELY NORMAL (THE [GAME) OVER]

[Chara]

hello everyone!
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Chara]

hold on, i'll just confirm if Almost is scum while i read up. should only take a second.
Almost, are you mafia?

[Chara]

i promise i won't ask you next game, Almost. <3

i'm on team pisskop.
VOTE: Alchemist

pedit: in other words... actually, RCE summed it up.

pedit again:
Baezu: i won't stand for this.
and let me post!

[Chara]

So, far .. if I had to pick a lynch for today it'd probably be Alch. I think his behaviour is the most suspicious of the active players, and his reads/stances don't make much sense to me so far.

i don't know... he voted you. it makes a lot of sense to me.

[Chara]

townbin Ausuka. i also don't know why everyone keeps claiming, but i'm not a miller.

[Chara]

i can't tell how serious Alchemist's Almost scumread is and if it's an exaggeration for wagon power.
i don't think he's that towny though.

FL i want to try reading by talking with him real time, so that will have to wait.

pedit: Sasuke's posts hurt me, deeply.

[Chara]

i don't have much i really want to add here and i might be biased against a posting style.
i do think that it's hard to believe Sasuke can't fathom the POV of Nero, though. being voted and having that reason be "i'm helping my townread, i don't scumread you" is a really easy way to get a scumread on that person just in general, even if i agree with the general idea of wagoning players being healthy.
and Nero's style is pretty adversarial so i'm not at all surprised this 1v1 has become a thing. i guess i did have something to add then.

Alch: then you'll need to convince me, because what i got from your vote post was that you voted Almost for assuming mastina was town/instantly believing her claim. did i miss something? that's a serious question.

[Chara]

Hey Chara! Is that the greeting tell?

i missed this post!
hi Cheeky.
and i'm offended by this whole greeting meme. i've been greeting the thread in every game i play since i started and i don't plan to stop now. :>

[Chara]

haha, why are you apologizing?

[Chara]

wait, you don't believe there are players on mafiascum who scumread votes on them/disagreement with them on instinct?
...really?

[Chara]

haha, why are you apologizing?

i did my damndest to spread that tell

so i've found you... the final foe i need to defeat.

[Chara]

If someone votes me I am going to think about why they would do that and try to reconcile that with how they have been behaving - if I were Nero I would not be thinking "she's voting me despite not explicitly scumreading me so she's scum", but rather think about HOW the person got there in the first place! So from Nero's position I would try to think about how reasonable it is that someone is voting with a townread, and I have reason to believe that Nero is aware of the fact that many players do that (•́⌄•́๑)૭✧

even so, you aren't every player. what you would do doesn't equate to what others would do and is not (i think) a good measure of determining their alignment.

i kind of think it's a disagreement born of expectations not matching how Nero reacted and that scum picking a town to pocket and then voting with that town under the guise of helping wagons to sort is also very common.
however, i don't really think you're scum doing it here based on how you've defended your position and viewpoint in a way consistent with your philosophy.

pedit: i townlean him about the same as Sasuke now. it might be too early to cry "TvT" but shrug.

[Chara]

I said why I’m scumreading him. His whole body of posts was just pointless fluff to look engaged. The post regarding Mastina was just the one that made it obvious because he had answered his own question in that same post.

i did miss that post.
doesn't grab me then. why do you believe scum Almost feels the need to fake engagement?

[Chara]

so why are you on his wagon?

and it's hard to believe you believed the sk claim.

[Chara]

I know A50 tends to post a lot as Town. It would look weird for him to be quiet so fluffing up the thread would be a way to go about posting a lot as scum.

you should check a few scumgames of his. he goes ham there as well.

[Chara]

UNVOTE:
Alch gets a pass i guess.

pedit: i'm interested in those answers too, actually.

pedit: going ham as in having a lot of content to post. i don't think he's nervous because that just isn't his personality as scum, but i understand your pov more.
and so far, he's fitting his town goals here more than his scum ones, but i'd rather not go into that day 1.

pedit: why Vorkuta, and why is Cheeky town? i feel like asking what his scum agenda is after Cheeky said he had one should be an easy question to answer.

[Chara]

also he's mason, haven't you heard?

[Chara]

i don't like how i keep thinking i'm being referred to when i see the abbreviation NC.

[Chara]

...yeah, that's town Almost alright.

with love. (memories...)

i also agree on Cheeky from Nero if that wasn't obvious. not really satisfied with what she's given here.

[Chara]

A50 is town imo

Why?

personality read 100%. Over50 reacting to "you're scared of me" with a list of players he considers more able to read him and overblowing his reaction is about what i expected, as is the suggestion to policy lynch Nero, which is going to be unpopular with pretty much anyone who isn't already scumreading him and isn't similar to his usual style of responding to scumreads or trying to garner support as scum.
granted, he doesn't keep to a "usual style", but while i'm

also

not confident i would be comfortable saying after this that i townread him.

the grain of salt would be this as an attempt to play specifically towards me/the other players listed.

[Chara]

your username is chara so let them call you chara?

well yes, that was the idea behind the name change.

subconsciously i still sometimes think of NC as something people call me, is what i meant.

pedit: but i don't really want to lynch either of you. there's so much more day left to ruin!

[Chara]

the grain of salt would be this as an attempt to play specifically towards me/the other players listed.

Considering the number of those people that are in this game you should take that into more consideration.

that i mentioned it at all should tell you i'm already doing that, but noted.

[Chara]

did you crash and burn as scum recently or something, Almost? :>

[Chara]

i'm obligated to mention that "whom" should be used as the object of a sentence, not the subject.

[Chara]

If I had rolled scum in this game I would have probably replaced out (or switched to AP at the very least, especially since sky invited "either A50 or AP").

why didn't you want to be scum here?

[Chara]

450: if that's the sample and size it's not a bad conclusion, but i do think it's trumped by my own experience with trolly/chaotic town Almost and neutral conniving scum Almost in about equal parts to the reverse.

[Chara]

Also, can you read chara as well as she can read you A50?

I mean, we're not

perfect

at reading each other but we are capable of doing it with a considerably higher that random precision, yes. Also, Chara is a they or it (I prefer using they)

i'll be back later but <3

[Chara]

Vork, i was exclusively talking about Sasuke's intentional... um... playing around with what constitutes English.

[Chara]

only if you're american.

[Chara]

i'll see it when i see it. while you're doing that i'll be sitting in canada at a nice 19 celsius. that's 67 for you imperialists.

[Chara]

VOTE: Cheeky

[Chara]

v/la for two days while i deal with some unfortunate life things. sorry all.

[Chara]

hey guys, i'm back! and thanks for the concern, i'm doing fine.

going to try and catch up now. disappeared for longer than i meant.
so DJ, if i'm reading that post singleton quoted right, you want to wagon me because you think i'm garnering undeserved townreads? are you concerned about the players giving out those townreads at all?

[Chara]

thanks Cheeky. <3

[Chara]

VOTE: chara

waste not want not. New vote target

VOTE: DJ Scumbuckets

Much happier here than on Chara, for the sake of actually liking chara and not sring her as hard.

pisskop can be town.

you have a read on me, Uzi?

[Chara]

so your goal is to chat with the players giving vague reads on me, and not me?
i don't really want Almost to explain his read on me, but if the others want to, by all means.

[Chara]

not yet. i've been pretty absent, but once i get back into things it's pretty much guaranteed i'll obvtown to enough players that it won't matter.
reads like singleton's where i'm being "underwhelming" are expected enough to not be too AI from players who don't know me very well, but if Almost had anything but a townread on me i would wonder why.
i'm still catching up, but right now Uzi's calling out of pisskop's vote on me is probably giving me the most pause.

i talk about how to read me a fair bit, but i won't do it this game unless i feel the need to argue about it for some reason.

[Chara]

you're not getting one, sorry. i can barely chug out ones i'm happy with in minis. :>

[Chara]

Vorky, Baezu, Ausuka, Almost, pisskop: townreads i remember/have gotten mid-catchup.

Saske and Uzi have my attention on the other end.

[Chara]

Spoiler: condensed catchup

Luvs catchup was okay

I chalk it up to D1 playstyle.

In a large you cant break your back over those. And no serious player believes everything.

saving this for later.

mastina gets a mild townread for 1468.

players sheeping me on Almost probably shouldn't. i know a lot about how he works but he's fooled me enough times as scum that i'm not putting the kind of weight you all are into my read on him. i would say i have maybe 80% accuracy.
that said, it just means make sure you aren't doing so blindly, and also, he's town!
1563: i'm in u2's pocket for this, though.

1572: not quite. town Almost gets angry when town pushes him for reasons he considers to be bad, regardless of if they know him.

was townreading u2 before, not sure why i forgot. the page 64 warming up to DJ is something i agree with.

1583: i asked Almost if he was town because i knew he'd explain how i should be reading him, like he always does. it's helpful to compare that to what he was actually doing in-game.

I think that would be Chara in terms of accuracy, but Ausuka-chan is very familiar with me and she is typically a rational person. Not to discredit her ability, since I do think she is a competent player, it is just that I do not expect anyone else to really be someone I can talk to when needed ┐( ˘_˘)┌

my scumhunting accuracy is not very good, besides a few games that i efforted the hell out of. now i'm curious as to who you are. though i don't expect an answer.

1693: pretty accurate. i do get anxious about theatre and you can use my anxiety levels as some sort of metric.

Saske: scum Almost has fooled me on at least two occasions.

[Chara]

Also Chara why dost thou scumread Liol Uzi Very? Σ(-᷅_-᷄๑)

Yeah scum are definitely piling on to the RCE wagon. I’d say at least 2 are there now.

https://youtu.be/BLgqyQMjd5s

Saske: i don't, he just has my attention. don't know what the reason is to say pisskop's vote on me earlier sucks if he doesn't have a read on me, and then that pisskop is town for unvoting me. caught my attention.
it's been a while since i played with LUV but i remember wrongly scumreading him in the past for the style he's doing right now.

re: the RC wagon i'm wondering if there's just a lot of town this game that are throwing their votes around. i do get some town feelings from Cheeky that i didn't before and the OMGUS also feels

sort

of ok but i don't know where i'm at yet.

also, Saske: town do tend to throw undeserved townreads around. that has... absolutely nothing to do with the player's alignment though. it's still rand. you're saying that you think it's town doing it, meaning it isn't scumbuddies throwing townreads at me, and it's not anything

i'm

doing.

...i'm not so into this game right now. think it's because i've had no time to chat with anybody.

[Chara]

ignore the youtube link.

[Chara]

kind of want to townbin singleton. i think i just will, though that doesn't help resolve current wagons.

1867: speaks to me. except for the Vork thing because i townread him.
i'm going to go back and agree with Alch after all about the RCE wagon.

pisskop's posting i've been liking less and less. he says he's into competing wagons but doesn't feel like he's done a lot to foster that, and i get the sense he's playing to be liked. i expected more pressure on me from him but he didn't poke me very much when i gave my few reads or when i disappeared a second time. (but the latter point doesn't contribute to my reads as he should know my disappearance was again irl-induced.)

the comment i really disliked was 1862, and it gave me some sort of sense of town Cheeky at the same time in her appeals. i don't know if i'm townreading her yet, but
UNVOTE:

i know RCE walked back on the pisskop thing later, but i don't really find his night action list to be that towny. the important thing is that i dislike RCE wagon more out of the other wagons.

pedit: well, it's a good song.

[Chara]

i have to stop playing this at 4am.

[Chara]

I mean i guess im hurt you dont think im forstering wagons, the rce one just grow out of my hip.

dont really agree there. you had him in your scumreads but didn't vote until you were asked.

as for my list. was "single on town player" a typo?

[Chara]

single one*

still not sure what you mean. like a townread that

isn't

universal?

[Chara]

I mean i guess im hurt you dont think im forstering wagons, the rce one just grow out of my hip.

okay, I saw a chance to wagon a player I had previously tried to wagon but nobody cared to until cheeky did it.

not to be pedantic, but i will be, i couldn't find an RCE vote in your ISO. i did find two for me, though! :>

[Chara]

i was going to vote DJ as a sort of RCE protest but i suppose i townreading DJ? that's annoying.

VOTE: SS

[Chara]

SS/Chara/Vort//bae/RCE are my core lynch candidates.

I mean I was there in spirit, and now im there in actuality!

we have very different definitions of what fostering wagons is.

single one*

still not sure what you mean. like a townread that

isn't

universal?

No

care to explain since i don't understand? i know you're ambivalent to me and all, but it would help me out.

and i like SS wagon better than other presented options.

[Chara]

i wonder when i stopped being the sort of player that was annoyed by posts like mastina's where she talks about posting no content and why, and when i became the player who looks at 2160 and says "mood".

singleton: i'm interested in hearing more about that regarding SS, and if it would have a demonstrable effect on his post quality.

i feel extremely ambivalent towards RC's wagon (though i still townread him) but i'll maintain that if it's a bus it's a completely unnecessary one.

[Chara]

U2 I kind of feel hurt, tbh. I could have let you down in your wagon EG but I stepped up and defended you. Dont make me target you tonight.


hell dont make me restart your wagon. You will lose a 1v1 w/me

social game post?
:>

[Chara]

Your nonpresence, mostly. I dont have a feel for your interactions today. In a game this large, I can afford to be wild with my votes so early. The nature of my willingness to lynch you is more a willingness to pressure you to play than a direct SR.

boo. make it a direct SR for my posts. i'm not going to be pressured by someone saying they'll lynch me for something i have zero control over (nonpresence).

it's also true that scum don't need to post in this stagnating game but it's an exaggeration that posting actively hurts scum at all here. maybe unconfident scum.

[Chara]

i don't need kid gloves, it's fine. i'm not asking anyone to not push me or anything (i don't even think i'm being genuinely pushed for activity, in fact nobody seems to care about anything besides waiting around until RC is lynched.)
and i mean scum there if that's not clear.

but as is extremely obvious, if RC does flip scum then my reads do a turnaround, but that's so obvious as to not be important to say.

[Chara]

U2 I kind of feel hurt, tbh. I could have let you down in your wagon EG but I stepped up and defended you. Dont make me target you tonight.


hell dont make me restart your wagon. You will lose a 1v1 w/me

i'm not sure if he would.

Yea but Im the driving force into much of the game. Id consider myself on par with nero and alchi today

so you're putting some effort in?

ow and after I defended Person. He backstabs me.

i do not lurk as scum?

i usually put more effort into my scumgame, to be honest

but you're on par with Alch and Nero this game!

Chara is town for reasons that I can't get into just now,

Mason claim says what?


And no, scum me doesnt post at all rn because we're knee deep in stagnation and it can only hurt to post now as scum.

we established later this isn't really true.

There is no one single NK target tonight. There is not town leader. There is no voice pushing for the lynch above all the others.

this actually is true.

i'm not into any of these posts.

also not so into the approach to me, but not including it in my read because of the possibility that it's simply town pisskop trying to be accomodating of my irl issues, and if so i don't want to come at him for that. :>

[Chara]

Mastina’s reads are pretty close to mine but i’d like expansion on chara!town if i want to believe thats just not her calling obvtown slots town as scum

Conditional political read putting Mastina on the spot instead of doing the analysis.

wait, i'm obvtown now? that's exciting!

SS: townreading RC and disliking his wagon does have repercussions for my reads, yes. especially when the posts that pinged me from pisskop had to do with his RCE vote.

pisskop: that's not a case on you. i felt like we could have a conversation about my problems or your problems. what do you think about my slot if i tell you i get townread as scum via charisma?

[Chara]

"political reads" feels like either a very new term or an old one. i can guess at the meaning from the word, i guess.

[Chara]

Political reads is one of those things that I hear being said far more than I see actually being effective as a tell.

As far as I can tell it either means "common reads" which by definition are going to be common, or it means "mirroring people's reads on you" which also happens a lot from town. What are people referring to with it in this instance? Be specific.

i like this post, thanks SS.
UNVOTE:

(only half-related, i finally got some sleep so i'm here to play and am lynch shopping!)

[Chara]

{RCEnigma}
{Something_Smart, Nero Cain, Katyusha}
{Chara, pisskop}
{Alchemist, Almost50, urap2}
{Baezu, Flavour Leaf, Vorkuta, RedFlavor, LUV, Cheeky}
{mastina}
{DJ, Ausuka}

Updated to be more accurate
URAP seemed fine in his recent postings

can you explain why i'm so high here? and in the same tier as pisskop no less. :>

as for Ausuka, i don't really have meta on her but she's been riding an early-game townread for me for a bit.

[Chara]

Why is Chara so high on that list?

Their posts felt town

i guess this is an answer. haha. i'm curious about it because we haven't played together too much, and i don't tend to get those "feels town" townreads when i'm in inactive from players who don't know me.

dont worry urap I wont be. Cheeky is a better wagon than you tho and so is chara and a50

all of these people are town

all of them

dont worry urap I wont be. Cheeky is a better wagon than you tho and so is chara and a50

all of these people are town

all of them

nah

if they were town people would be townreading them

this reply's pretty bad. i can't speak for Cheeky but Almost gets run up and lynched as town pretty often. never mind that this reads "not being obvtown, so good lynch candidates".

Kinda tired of stressing about this. I’ll try again on A50 tomorrow.

VOTE: Pisskop

sorry Alch. i just don't see scum him making those posts earlier.

Id really rather say less about it than more, but just trust me like youd trust mastn for claiming loyal neighborizor

you're like the fourth "i can confirm myself later" claim, and confirming your role =/= confirming your alignment. i can say that too!

[Chara]

chara where in pisskop vs cheeky/urap do u stand

VOTE: pisskop

[Chara]

VOTE: STK

singleton's one of my best townreads. what's up?

[Chara]

VOTE: Chara

Chara's also one of my best townreads!
what's up?

[Chara]

How do you feel about LUV?

My pool right now is

A50
Pisskop
LUV
Ausuka

I don’t really want to wagon outside this.

i have an old TR on Ausuka i haven't reexamined, and no real read on LUV right now besides a lack of townread. i do tend to default to scum on him a lot for what i think is that it's hard to see his process when he posts. that's just off my bad memory.

[Chara]

Flavor, do you have reads on pisskop and Cheeky?

and it's fine, i haven't really posted any lists so it's understandable you wouldn't know my townreads.

[Chara]

I meant to say,

Both town, idk why i said it’s fine.

i thought you were just ignoring the question and was prepared to just let you. haha.
why pisskop town?

pedit: can u2 just keep posting for me so i don't have to? it's seemed to have worked so far.

[Chara]

I don’t think that’s my scum game at all, and if I do things like that as scum, it’s because I do them as town.

i kind of agree with you on this, but i also buy Ausuka's explanation and don't see why she picks this hill as scum.
i don't know if i still TR her but i don't know enough about her to latch on to the argument that she dislikes scum and that's the reason for her play this game.

[Chara]

Because he knows how manipulative i can be as scum
because he knows that deep down I dont trust him as town
because he knows that im still just fucking around and nowhere near a lynch rn

wow i'm legit surprised that you answered me here and I'm not sure what to make of it

he's been playing the "this is what i wouldn't do as scum, look at me" game all game, which is about as brazen as this, so it doesn't surprise me.

pedit: i actually hate Kat's claim and also their reads but i don't know what i want to do about it.
Ausuka i need to look in to but it took a vote away from pisskop and that's made me biased against the wagon. o want pisskop to be run up so he can't keep defaulting to lackdaisical confidence/not being serious.

[Chara]

he's been playing the "this is what i wouldn't do as scum, look at me" game all game, which is about as brazen as this, so it doesn't surprise me.

chara is scum because ive seen her towngame with my alt(s), and this is not it.

you've also never seen my scumgame, so this means almost nothing.

it's a fact about towngames that they're highly variable, and i think if you were seriously trying to read me in a meta capacity you would have one) tried to figure out what the difference here might be, and two) looked into my scum meta even a little.

[Chara]

neither of these is better than pisskop

Ill just make a serious attempt here.


Why do you SR me, honestly? i dont quite get it from town. I know town who dont trust me, i dont know town who will tunnel me. thats really, really more of a scum thing.

here's the manipulative thing. and no, lampshading it doesn't make it exist less.

step 1) try to present yourself as the reasonable one trying to figure things out.

2) say you don't understand and that the one scenario (town who don't trust me) you would understand because you're, again, trying to present yourself as reasonable, but say the other scenario (town who tunnel you) is just a step too far.

a whole lot of your posts in this game read this way. i don't see the point of such a tactic if you aren't trying to get scumread on purpose, and i don't get that sense.

[Chara]

so this means almost nothing.

no, it means i have a base that, coupled with your complete lack of grace and dignity this game, is a solid foundation for a good ol fashioned lynch mob

should i be taking "lack of grace and dignity" as a character insult or just a way of saying you think i'm scum?
because i try to play both alignments with dignity.

[Chara]

above is not me being offended or anything, if it's not clear.

[Chara]

I think I respect your play too much to allow you to play this badly.

if this about me as a

player

, the only things i try to uphold as a scummer are being someone who plays respectfully and who is wanted in games by mods and players.

if you've instead been talking about things like read accuracy and engagement, that could actually be fair coming from town you (seeing as my read on you would be wrong, and because i haven't been very engaged, though i would be compelled to say my engagement is rarely AI)

however, while i've had some town games i'm very proud of, i think i've had just as many abysmal ones. i don't have a reputation as a stellar scumhunter. so if your argument is a BoP one i don't find it accurate.

pedit: i see you responded already, but i'll leave this.

[Chara]

above is not me being offended or anything, if it's not clear.

no offense meant. I feel like you arent playing this game in a way that is town. Youre not giving your posts thought, nor reading the posts of others as you have in the past.

again, assuming in this discussion that you're being genuine, i don't give my posts a lot of thought, especially as town. if i gave that impression in the past then it's because i was either really active or i was having an easier time hiding it. i'm more anxious as scum and try to be better prepared when posting.

i'm also caught up, but given my limited time i don't doubt that a lot of posts haven't sunk in as they should.

[Chara]

He goes from disengaged but cooperative and even answering my questions to hardscum-pushing me.

these are 500 posts apart, though.

[Chara]

can you explain to me why u2 making a quick turnaround on you is a scum move?

[Chara]

uuuuggghhh do i have to case you now?

right. This was an olive branch

it's just hard to believe this was a good faith olive branch when you imply he's scum for having the read and pushing it at all in the same post.

[Chara]

Its hard to believe he 180s on his two SRs.

nice deflection!

[Chara]

it's scum more than town that like to comb ISOs for contradictions and present them as such to prove that the town in question isn't being genuine.

and that's because town often play messier games than scum, who make an effort to be consistent. it's tremendously easy to quote a series of posts where a town player throws out reads/thoughts that are in opposition to one another and call it scum.

[Chara]

Its hard to believe he 180s on his two SRs.

nice deflection!

I mean you really arent convincing me that youre town. Ive said this all game.

my goal isn't to convince you. if you're town, those posts are to town you, because i like to maintain good relationships outside of my ingame reads.

i do think you're scum. you responded to my post where i give my problem with your olive branch with an unrelated point about u2. that isn't trying to discuss anything, it's a deflection.

[Chara]

Can please nobody claim unless they are wagoned up?


And no, my role is not explicitly 'IC' or 'nighttime' in any fashion.

Im done with you guys

Im the loud loyal doc. GLHV

hmmm. 4 votes was it?

[Chara]

that doesn't make it a good idea.

he thinks u2 and me are scum, and we're the only ones pushing him here, but he gets so frustrated he claims?
what's the goal there? i get it if he's frustrated with town, like "good job idiots, i'm the doc", but he already thinks we're both scum.

pedit: and yet i'm weak to AtE anyway.

[Chara]

pedit: okay and i claimed ic when nero and rce were planning on vigging me, whats the point

i assumed it was because it means you're less likely to die if he's a town vig.

but i do

get

getting frustrated by scum, it does happen, or just plain getting frustrated. and if that's what happened i don't believe he handled it well and don't really appreciate how he's chosen to interact with me

[Chara]

i guess so, and i understand why you did it then.

but playing more town wouldn't really work for pisskop since the players he was frustrated with were scum to him, and would have no good reason to stop pushing him because he's claimed doctor, except to save face.

there's a possibility he's town who got very aggravated by u2, and was not as committed to the scumread as he made it seem. i know that. but it's not an option i really like, when he's said a few times he would win a 1v1 with u2.
he also hasn't really convinced me he's town with the act of actually getting frustrated, but whenever it gets to that point i find it really difficult to keep pushing so i sort of have no choice but to leave it be and do something else for a while.

[Chara]

invest on Almost is fine but invest on me is a waste. i've been mislynched out of hydra exactly once and it's when i was run up while inactive.

pisskop's a better wagon than Cheeky.

[Chara]

just a quick fyi, i'm doing a lot better now, so it's fine to yell at me for activity/content.
that's half @ Almost. :>

i also think FL is just town here.

[Chara]

being active and posting and pushing things doesn't make pisskop town, and the only thing he has going for his slot is the claim. the way and time he claimed was bad, shade on u2 for disappearing is bad, and the way he self-metaed himself by saying he never gets run up as scum here and what he would be doing if scum (that he isn't) is bad. general manipulation attemps are bad.

also can't adequately explain his read on me and deflects when pressed on the subject by saying he's BoPing me. he has no idea what scum me would do here (i also don't remember if i've seen scum kop, but luckily his ISO is littered with descriptions of his scumgame) and doesn't seem interested in looking into it nor replying to me about anything except to say i haven't convinced him i'm town.
i believe he's trying to get by on confidence/activity and i absolutely think it could work.

feel free to argue with me about it, i'm not married to the wagon. but i like it more than Ausuka.
Cheeky is a compromise for me that i'm only considering because i like Nero for town.

[Chara]

re: pisskop scumreads me so ims tunnelfuck him

I mean you aren't even the main focus of my attentions. you don't see cheeky or nero wigging out. or dj.


where did you stand on dj agian chara?

townlean DJ but no strong read at this time.

this also isn't true. your recent pushes have been "Chara and A50" are good wagons, so i do seem to be the main focus and i'm not sure why you'd pretend otherwise. why aren't you just voting Cheeky if she's also a main scumread?

the other half of my post about you was also not related to the scumread on me, but you can try again if you like. :>

[Chara]

if you're townreading Cheeky, i misinterpreted your post. why bring up players who aren't "wigging out"?

[Chara]

And they’re strong town reading Ausuka for some reason, which is just weird to me. This is nothing like townAusuka.

I don’t get pinged by town Ausuka, I get paranoid by town Ausuka. This is just scum Ausuka.

i'm not strong town reading Ausuka. i only saw RC's reasons for scumreading her and didn'y agree. no one said anything about it when i brought that up and asked.

[Chara]

I don’t actually know the case for pisskopscum either.

VOTE: Chara

i gave you one and asked for feedback like two pages ago.

[Chara]

Pisskop only makes sense as scum if I’m his partner at this point, and I’m not his partner

do you have any way to convince me of this that isn't predicated on your ego?
why, exactly, can't he be scum with you town and defending him?

[Chara]

i'm going to bed. if someone wants to like, actually try and convince me pisskop is town instead of straight ignoring everything i have to say on the subject or not interacting with it at all, i'm still willing to listen.
i'm not going to stop thinking it just because someone says "he's town" or "scum pisskop has no reason to play like this" because he does.

pedit: please just fucking talk to me like a person.

[Chara]

Pisskop and I used to play a lot together when we were both on site. We turned into heavies together. He has an extremely strong scum game; this is not it.

can you tell me why he's not hitting the mark like he would be as scum here?

[Chara]

and sorry for the ego comment. thanks for the serious reply.

[Chara]

VOTE: Katyusha

[Chara]

real classy and good play fullclaiming in a bid to get me lynched, but casing might work better.

[Chara]

also it's been said to death that this game is explicitly full of useless roles so saying yours is useless as scum and that's why you're town means nothing, but i don't actually care anymore because nothing i say hits.

[Chara]

pisskop's claim doesn't clear him, he can only prove he's a doctor.
forget what RCE claimed.

[Chara]

He can clear others. If he's town, anyone who gets a visit from him is confirmed town.

that's fair. just actually confirm his alignment before trusting that.

DJ: thanks for making me feel better about townleaning you

Katyusha claimed D4 IC (as in start of day 4) which is late enough to not matter as a claim to me.
but because of that we'll default to Cheeky, i guess.

shrugs

.
all these unlynchable claims sure are great. they're all definitely true.

if you run me up i promise to claim something useless. :>

[Chara]

why do you need to be tracked? provided you targeted town they would have proof you did the thing already, and no reason to lie.

[Chara]

if i end up getting lynched because every other option claimed something with IC in it somewhere...
i still won't care all that much. no record to uphold anymore.

[Chara]

yeah, Kat's scummy.

pisskop can't survive to endgame for two reasons. one because his clears aren't clears unless he's dead, two because he's scummy.
Nero is town and u2 is town.

Flavor is probably town but i do feel like he'd be better equipped to recognize that i am too.
i know i was pretty inactive/out of it for the first part of this, but i was actually trying.

and meandering around lynches but being afraid of possibly hitting a single PR in a game that's literally oozing PR claims in spite of the setup is... bad, and please stop doing it in days going forward.

RC is town i think, he can only be sk anyway and i believe he's just town.
Almost is town as well. DJ and singleton too. DJ i'm less confident in, kind of depends on pisskop.

pisskop, Ausuka, and Katyusha are scummy. their claims sans Ausuka are also bad, though Kat's is sort of less bad depending on how you look at it.

don't know if i have reads on any others.

this game is not balanced nor setup like a normal role madness, don't forget that going forward. don't be scared to lynch PRs. scum are going to claim a PR. it's not rocket science.

[Chara]

right. i still don't have a great read on Cheeky. i agree with Nero that the mason play makes no sense. i don't think it's real. that doesn't say much about Flavor's alignment to me, but i would guess it was a lie to save his townread.

[Chara]

actually, Nero going for me instead of Cheeky after Flavor's claim is scum indicative, so i'm removing the townread.
i think town Nero who thinks Cheeky is scum doesn't back down because FL decided to claim something. it's FL.
and he recognizes that the claim's pretty suspect too.

so that's something to keep in mind for day 2.

[Chara]

I don't buy that they are masons for a second. But if FL feels that confident in his cheeky read I think it's telling enough.

as someone being voted by FL, it's harder to accept that sort of reasoning, but maybe he's good at reading Cheeky?

@pisskop: i tried!

[Chara]

VOTE: Cheeky

[Chara]

VOTE: Katyusha
should have checked the clock.

[Chara]

good point. i should have claimed day 3 mason. bummer.

pedit: yeah, that's about how i feel.

[Chara]

you've got no clue? i could talk for days about it (and i did) and you'd probably say the same thing. i can't fathom it.
you gave me nothing. just "you haven't convinced me you're town, Chara", and "this doesn't look like the subsection of the towngames i've seen. oh, but i've never seen your scumgame".

figure it out. if this is how you deal with things as scum that's fine. if it's how you do it as town then i'm disappointed.

[Chara]

ignore my last post. i'm not mad. just don't know how to talk to you. next time i scumread you in a game should i just not say anything? is that it?

[Chara]

i'm setting an alarm for seven hours from now.

[Chara]

VOTE: Cheeky
see you day 2 then.

pedit: ugh i don't like that response but tired

[Chara]

And it's not a good thing to have a record of never being mislynched. It means your scumgame sucks so badly that people can always read you.

i don't think this is strictly true!
it just means people will start to disregard their townreads on you as town and you have to work harder.

my reads really, really sucked yesterday. i kind of just voted Cheeky because of Nero calling me out. haha. Katy is unlikely scum given this though, yes.

[Chara]

If we're not going Vork today, then we should be going Mr. Flavor "I don't bus" "fakeclaimed masons with flipped scum" Leaf.

pisskop flipping town and Nero also being obviously town after this does make me lean here.
i don't remember who else (i know Nero wasn't, of course) was trying to take the heat off of Cheeky. besides me i suppose.

[Chara]

i came here to say i'd rather we didn't speedlynch Vork.
big shrug.

Ausuka's probably town. i don't think scum her complains in this situation.

[Chara]

Sky is on top of it. So before the game I had to submit an ordered list in case I was afk in the night. Urap was at the top of my list. I'm really sorry Urap, I just didn't submit an action. Super sorry.

oof.
did anyone get fruit from u2 on night 1?

[Chara]

is there a reason to Ausuka guilty didn't come into play yesterday?

[Chara]

wow the... one read i gave today was wrong. nice.

[Chara]

i did think u2 was really towny. if that means anything.

[Chara]

If the last killer is AFK then I guess it’s either her or Chara. Chara seems more likely to me.

what gives you the idea i've been afk?

[Chara]

Also the fact Mastina/Nero/Chara/A50 are ALL still alive doesn't point to FL.

considering the inactivity of everyone here besides Volxens slot, i don't really agree.

[Chara]

Yes. He hates to bus and loves to pull dumb gambits with his buddies.

this here. i don't trust my own reads at all, but this would be right.

[Chara]

because RCEs shortlist is based on his own reads, i believe.

we do need Baezu's claim here, it would shed some light on things.
i'm also considering massclaim given one scum left. normally i wouldn't, but i haven't been doing well with this the normal way.

[Chara]

i know. i meant the target?

[Chara]

considering the inactivity of everyone here besides Volxens slot, i don't really agree.

????

moreso mastina and i. i don't find us still being alive relevant to FL with that in mind.

Alch: i have been inactive, just not afk. there'd be something seriously up irl if i was missing nights.

[Chara]

with probably 1 scum left it sounds reasonable but i do want ss's thoughts on this specifically

I mean I bet we win massclaim or no massclaim. Probably no need today because we can smoke ourselves some flavored leaves but possibly tomorrow, if tomorrow happens.

Also pisskop wasn't just a doctor, he was a super magical innocent child doctor cop

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

right now i would guess a purposeful nokill last night, but i don't see how that's a better idea than just killing Katy. i thought Baezu's blocks might say something but i think RedFlavor is town.
it does explain why no one got any u2 fruit, though.

[Chara]

moreso mastina and i. i don't find us still being alive relevant to FL with that in mind.

who is volxen in this game

Nero/Nancy hydra. Nero and the 39 Volxens.

[Chara]

it does explain why no one got any u2 fruit, though.

also she's simple so she can only target VTs and goons

oh, duh. i knew that.

[Chara]

come on, i'm sure you could swing the lynch onto me instead if you really tried.

[Chara]

also i guess the hood was why vork was hard to get a wagon going on d1 huh

it was, we decided to work together initially.

[Chara]

this game was fun even though i wasn't here too much. burnout symptoms, kind of glad it ended when it did only for that, but it was a really great game in general.

sorry pisskop.

[Chara]

sorry pisskop.

Its the second time Ive tried to force a lynch on you.

I should be apologizing here.

as long as we're good for next time, no skin off my back.

[Chara]

i'm not sure what the reason was for continuing to keep the hood secret after Vork flipped scum.