Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

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btw i just realized

reading through the game

she never made any reference to the bulletproof thing

so she didn't have to forget, she literally never knew.

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I'm gonna place my overkill vote

please at least ask baezu to talk to me before voting me

i appreciate you reading me right even if we still end up losing.

VOTE: 0verki11

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like I guess maria just never read.

she 90 posted even when she was alive, didn't understand mechanics, made an objectively inaccurate statement about my mislynch participation, etc.
now, her reads on me are better than her reads on you obviously (when she actually pays attention to the game), but she also had you as lockscum the entire game.

confirmed town in death or not, your slot is also confirmed town and it's your decision.


if you talk to me and i can't convince you that you're voting wrong i won't blame you baezu but i will blame you if you hammer before I can talk to you 1-1.

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TL if you have any problem points yourself with anything that i've said or done you're welcome to bring it up even though I guess we're on the same page at this point.

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also i just realized. i referenced my bulletproof status several times when she was venging chennis. she didn't know that, so she didn't read my posts around that time. so yeah, i guess it makes sense that she said I didn't push the chennis venge.

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Rank will be amazing in 4 way with a bulletproof alive because it guarantees that 3 way contains a clear and a 1v1 for the last scum slot

Rank now is blah

this was directly addressed to maria, she didn't even read it. so.

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Ugh, I am still waffling on TD or Chennis as the venge though...

I think chennis is scum basically 100% of the time regardless of anything else, and is therefore the safe venge.

have been saying that for a very long time.

also I think that me/TD is fairly obviously not the scumteam? so if that's what you're concerned about, you shouldn't be.

shrug

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I am on.

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can you pls read through what i said on the last two pages

mariar wasn't even aware that i was bulletproof, which means she never isoed me and she wasn't reading my posts at the time chennis went down

her case on me was predicated on 3 things: me not being dead, me not pushing for a chennis venge, and me pushing mislynches, but the former is because i was bulletproof, the middle is demonstrably untrue if she read at all, and the latter is objectively untrue as well

like... i said that mariar would townread me b/c i expected her to put effort in and read my iso. she clearly didn't do that because she missed even super obvious stuff like me being bulletproof


i'm not mad. just sad.

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You thought she would TR you...why do you think she didn’t?

because she didn't read my iso enough to even realize that I was bulletproofed. you can read her iso yourself, she never addresses it or says anything about it.
like... the fact that it disproves her "well RC is alive to endgame" argument is one thing. but it also says that she didn't actually read the game to make her decision.

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everything in her post about me is wrong in a way that she couldn't be wrong if she had actually read the game. "I pushed too many mislynches" is subjective", but only once this game did I lead on town when it wasn't optimal for town for me to lead on town, ie reveal/venge.

and she got mad at me for saying that i pushed her to venge chennis, but like, I did. just because she clearly didn't read my posts doesn't mean that I didn't do these things.

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Spoiler: Protect
Choose by majority vote a player to make immune to one nightkill for the rest of the game. This immunity will fail if the player is non-Vanilla or has been targeted with the Reveal power. The Mafia may not kill after this.

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Spoiler: Protect
Choose by majority vote a player to make immune to one nightkill for the rest of the game. This immunity will fail if the player is non-Vanilla or has been targeted with the Reveal power. The Mafia may not kill after this.

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i'm rehashing points i already made btw. just read from the top of 300.

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like

RC is scum, he wouldn't be alive right now if he was town.

objectively incorrect in a way that requires her not to have read the game

He didn't convince me to do shit and him pretending he did is shitty.

also objectively incorrect; if she had said she was going to do it anyway that could have been reconcilable with having read the game, but i objectively tried to convince her venge chennis.

He's trying to convince you even if he's scum you should let him win.

i never said this. the most i said was that i would be willing to push the reasoning that I deserve the win as scum more than 0verkill does as scum. so again, objectively wrong



i think 'i pushed too many mislynches' is also clearly wrong, but like...

these are donald trump level alternative facts. they're just not true. they aren't things she can believe after reading the game. there's no subjectivity in them, they're flat out untruths.

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We're not doing protect without sorting Chem/me.

also, he was clearly trying to avoid me being protected before a creature/chemist arena, which gives scum a nightkill and would be the point in the game where there's no longer motivation to keep me alive to muddy the coalition pool b/c creature has already flipped scum. it's not just him trying to avoid me being protected, you have to look at the situation.

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like

RC is scum, he wouldn't be alive right now if he was town.

objectively incorrect in a way that requires her not to have read the game

He didn't convince me to do shit and him pretending he did is shitty.

also objectively incorrect; if she had said she was going to do it anyway that could have been reconcilable with having read the game, but i objectively tried to convince her venge chennis.

He's trying to convince you even if he's scum you should let him win.

i never said this. the most i said was that i would be willing to push the reasoning that I deserve the win as scum more than 0verkill does as scum. so again, objectively wrong



i think 'i pushed too many mislynches' is also clearly wrong, but like...
these are donald trump level alternative facts. they're just not true. they aren't things she can believe after reading the game. there's no subjectivity in them, they're flat out untruths.

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can you at least acknowledge that mariar clearly did not read the game before she made that post

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how much value you want to assign to her read outside of that is your business
but she

clearly

did not read the game.

baezu why are you scumhunting your partner lol

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you're not really talking to me.

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Vote Count 6.2.1

RadiantCowbells (5): Titus, Skygazer, NanceFloor, Moongrass, Succinct
NanceFloor (1): Time Devil

Not Voting (6): RadiantCowbells, Creature, MariaR, chennisden, Chemist1422, 0verki11

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to select a protect.

The deadline for protecting is 11 June 4:15am UTC-4, or in (expired on 2019-06-11 04:15:00)

Mod notes:
Protect has been chosen.

there were 5 votes on me already. all town. it's happening either way.

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like

i hadn't even selfvoted at that point
it's literally l-1

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do you think scum would want to fight it when it was obvious that it was happening?

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moongrass.

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i thought moongrass might have been town at that point b/c he had been the main person pushing creature/chemist d2

at that time i thought scum was you/chennis (AND I WANTED TO LYNCH CHENNIS NOT YOU), then when you townspewed yourselves i got confused and just voted moongrass with NF

i hard townread overkill anyway. moongrass i really want to read d2 again because it's possible that they're town, i don't really remember mbaki's creature push

yes, i assumed he was town for having been pushing creature/chemist until we got to the point where every living slot had pushed creature/chemist.

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do you think that I'm Too Good as town to have made that mistake?

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keep reading please because you're going to get to something that you should really read soon.

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NF called me locktown as well...

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So what, you came to the point where scum getting lynched is autowin for town and I pushed chennis and you didn't bother to quote that

but you quoted NF townreading 0verkill when NF townread me as well?

dunno what to say here.

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i want to lynch chennis as of right now

the easiest answer here is chennis/time devil
titus has a lot of underrated scum equity as well imo

note this is all under the assumption that moongrass is town which i haven't independently verified yet

i dunno

i still feel inclined to go off of my own individual chennis read over any other info that we have

But he was adamant about not being in veto. If he was being VOLUNTARY bussed, he wouldn’t have been so survivalistic/self-pres.

/shrug

like

it's LITERALLY autowin. can clear or lynch every slot if scum gets lynched.
i scumread you/chennis but instead of pushing you i pushed chennis.

0verki11 doesn't push chennis here, he pushes town.

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Baezu

do you think that I'm scum

or do you want me to be scum

because these are two very different questions

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dann changed his read on me baezu what the hell why are you only looking for evidence that i'm scum and not for evidence that i'm town?

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alright get fucked baezu.

VOTE: RC

let's lose together.

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Sorry TL I tried.

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actually this is technically gamethrowing since this is lylo so

UNVOTE:

but i'm done.

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actually this is technically gamethrowing since this is lylo so

UNVOTE:

but i'm done.

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re-vote me.

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you deserved better, sorry TL.

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but this town's honestly been a shitshow since the beginning.
the lesson from this game is never appease titus ever again. we gave her 2 awful coalitions and an awful veto.

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you're not reading to sort me, you're reading for evidence that i'm scum and ignoring evidence that doesn't support that.

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ok, but you quoted NF townreading 0verkill (when their read on that slot bounced around all game)
and you quoted the single post in the game where NF ever expressed any concern that i wasn't town

as if they were representative

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like, do you think they're representative?

dannflor can't even read me ffs. he had me as locktown in fire on the mountain.
nancy drew is the head that can read me and she never once wavered on her townread of me.

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why don't you open up 0verkill's iso, ctrl f chennis, read through, then ctrl f creature and read through

because it's really obviously svs

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townreads chennis for a post that's super easy to make as scum literally never says anything to creature or about him until he votes him on d2 when it looks dire but never gives a reason for it

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VOTE: MariaR
Sorry about inactivity typically when ive gone to post the thread has been locked rip

sry for inactivity the thread is always lock

just gonna hammer this townie

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which head voted

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VOTE: 0verki11 regardless

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i thought that was obvious but yes

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lylo is actually the worst.

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ok

i was actually scum

i feel like i want to apologize but i haven't known what to say so i lied so we could talk tmrw

idk

pls don't hate me

this game was absurdly townsided.

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and it was rly fucked up

that i groomed nancefloor for call a friend

and we ended up calling them, [whatever happening], and then town got another call

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wait there's a dead thread

like... dead discussed reads?

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or did maria skip out on dead thread to be allowed to be call a friend-ed

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oh wow

what does that bring it from

like 94% townsided to 96% townsided?

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wow.

ok.

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just in case it wasn't townsided enough, did other spectators get to join dead thread?

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it didn't occur to fuscosco in a situation like that to not post in dead thread huh

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i mean that really doesn't sound like a reference to me

it could be a reference to either you or creature

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No, not really.

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No, not really.

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like

i think this game is actually more townsided than the nightless game alisae made where town had night actions

that was like 90/10

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and BNL tried to give town an extra 24 hours even though after I got screwed out of the player I groomed for the CAF, then still ended up giving maria 7 extra hours

but i guess none of this really matters if the entire town was conversing...

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this entire game is unfair to alive scum. i had to be the second towniest player in the game, set up the coalitions so that they wouldn't get me caught (and by necessity end up bussing my partners), avoid getting revealed, get an exactly perfect lylo setup, and even with that I still ended up in a situation where the entire dead town got to call me scum

if i had known call a friend meant calling ALL the fucking friends i would have played for the vengeful win.

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to call this game unfair to scum does it a disservice. thinking of the most townsided scum games of my career

open 675 i won with just roleblocker versus

gigabyteTroubadour, Vanilla Townie, died in the endgame
Cloudkicker, Vanilla Townie, died in the endgame
Dunnstral, Vanilla Townie, died in the endgame
Titus, Town Tracker, died in the endgame
Killthestory, Town Night 3 Vigilante, lynched Day 4
davesaz, Town 1-Shot Watcher, killed Night 3
PenguinPower, Town Neighborizer, lynched Day 3
schadd_, Town Cop, killed Night 2
Spade_Ace, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 2
WhemePlay, Town Tracker, killed Night 1
momo, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 1

alisae's fucked up nightless, well, scum won (because of my actions before replace out) against townies with a bunch of power roles, and that was pretty fucked up

diablo 3 mafia we essentially had no nightkill in a mini that ended up basically being nightless with a survivor who scumsided luckily

but this game is worse than any of them lol, and by a massive extent

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like

i'm me

but we still wouldn't have won if creature and chennis didn't have the best scum performances of their careers

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AND titus had to game throw over and over and over again for town, although I do think I could have gotten away with getting Creature in the second coalition if I had to, but it would have made it way harder

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i'm so mad

about this game

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abiltiies got town 3 conftown. we had 4 nightkills. i literally had to be the second towniest player in the game while simultaneously dodging coalitions, call a friends, reveals, etc. to win this.

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yes

the coalitions if used even semicompetently made this game unwinnable for scum

they're insanely fucking strong.

we needed to have 2 scum in the townblock to survive the first one then we were lucky titus convinced everyone to gamethrow on the second one

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nah

0k needed to play

this isn't on TD

i picked them for lylo on day 2. that's why i never let them get lynched.

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btw

0verkill was objectively the scummiest player in the game in my opinion

and i got him to lylo

@ND39 you were our 8ball lol

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because call a friend was going to be used and 0verkill was way safer as a scum in call a friend

if i had tried that ending i would have had to explain why TD killed Titus who locktowned them

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nd that's why you were dead lol

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i was just like sure

since i was planning to bus d1 anyway

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like, we weren't getting 8ball value.

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i'm retiring from my main / tryharding after currently ongoings are done anyway.
nice to finish on a high note.

town do you guys understand just how overwhelmingly townsided this game was

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apparently fuscosco spoilered it anyway

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man call a friend

"sorry but you're actually calling ALL the friends"
"also they get 48 hours instead of 24 hours"

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so did dead all know i was scum by the end?

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so did dead all know i was scum by the end?

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like i had no idea there would be dead thread with CaF. i played to fool the people who were alive.

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i mean, just by the nature of the fact that I wasn't trying to seem like town to anyone who wasn't alive in the game.

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if i knew i had to fool DVC I would have played very differently

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yeah

i was trying to make sure that you would at least be reluctant to call me scum.

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wait what was thread consensus before maria submitted

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i see

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ty teammates

thanks for the game everyone

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I don't need it to work a second time.

I'm done nance

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btw the biggest most consistent recent scumtell that i do that apparently people never seemed to pick up on

you know that thing where I'm like omg we need to do [thing that pushes town wincon]

and then everyone else is like [no i'm bad at this game let's do dumb thing]

and i'm like [omg it makes me so mad that you're considering doing this dumb thing i'm so mad i'm not going to fight it and i'll let you do this dumb thing]

then i'm like [omg you're doing another dumb thing i'm so mad!!!!!!!1 that i'm too angry to think straight and i'm not gonna stop you from doing another dumb thing]

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dannflor is still deepwolfing

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u think

town me

would have ever let town deny me the coalition when i'm at a 75% town winrate right now lol

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a complete and utter bloodbath for scum, presumably

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i already wanted to lynch momo lol

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can we lynch the REAL deepwolf

VOTE: dannflor

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ugh.

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i felt it was super unfair that we didn't get to give it to the person we groomed for the purpose, but the fact that everyone could contribute is even less fair lol

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probably.

i'm tired of playing games like this and being afraid that if i lose no matter how townsided the game that it's going to be used by people who don't like or respect me to discredit my legacy.

i just want to lock everything in while i'm at the best i've ever been and call it a day.

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ellibereth is just garbage tbh

81% winrate is trashy and he should feel bad

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that's a joke, but wow. i remember 2 years ago saying that ellibereth's computer aided winrate was unbeatable

then nsg got fairly close. now i beat it.

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gg ez

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The balance issue with this setup was more skew than anything: town get a huge power boost every time scum dies, so it's possible for town to get an overwhelming advantage quickly and there's not much scum can do about it, whereas scum can't actually really make major gains at all. The D1 scum lynch was thus hugely helpful for town, and very difficult for scum to recover from (although they managed it!)

This is objectively untrue

Sure, there are a few powers that amplify with lower scum and that largely didn't end up being an issue, but scum never getting nighrkills and essentially having to mislynch 8 people to perfect win was never happening.

# of scum alive doesn't affect the lack of nighrkills. Bussing Fusco didn't give town an advantage, the fact that we never got to kill anyone did

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Also

You called it a mechanical error that we didn't take the chance of chemist winning the 1v1 with creature which seems really silly

Also would you really call the third thing on the list a breaking strategy if you didn't know who scum is? Kinda seems like an informed player trying to find a way for me to have been cornered

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Idk how to convince you that this setup is awfully townsided if you haven't already seen it.

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Although as an aside: scum misplayed horribly by making Moongrass the gladiator. There was no reason to ever let Creature/Chemist be the targets.)

Still not a misplay.

Chemist would have been a harder mislynch than the other people we needed to mislynch later.

I also needed to not push for too many townies before LyLo, and Creature was for sure losing if I didn't push him to live.

I considered it. It was wrong in the gamestate.

Losing scum is a meaningless heuristic, truly, except as far as 1 of 4 was concerned and we played around it.

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I mean

It would have been an extremely risky gamble

And given that I needed as much towncred as possible for lylo with w conftown I didn't want to be strongarming town into not lynching creature.

That would have been overreaching

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Nancefloor super favored creature scum over chemist1422

Hard pushing chemist there probably loses us the game
Chemist could be mislynched later but like that would be harder than what we did

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Dance rly didn't prove anything

You're making determinations of the game using concrete facts as proxies that don't actually add up to what the gamestate actually was.

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I think right now it would be won by town a lot because towns are very strong these days

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I rly don't think you guys realize how much not obvious stuff I did to make this winnable

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Yeah well

We still won

You and Creature did great

ty for not letting me down, etc.

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I was a consensus townread

Sky was actually mislynchable honestly but I just didn't want to and there weren't any better nightkills

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I'm irritated I never got to mislynch ankamius and Eddie cane

I was looking forward to those



Yes, the first coalition was actively anti-town because we abused it to make it so. That's good scum play. Even when it cornered creature deepwolf we still had a deeper wolf etc

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Btw

I chose to reveal isolate and kill Titus as opposed to pocketing her and making her lose lylo for town because I didn't really want to make her even more of the reason that town lost.

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I wasn't saying what I was saying to her because I was mad or because I wanted to manipulate her. Someone really needs to get it through to her.

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The thing is, this ignores the fact that not all players are equal. When scum can kill off the strongest townies N1-2-3, the remaining town players are by definition below average, even if the town was of average strength to start.

But we couldn't in this game

We had to burn 2 nightkills on clears and we had 2 more nightkills so I needed to be the third towniest player to win while dodging double coalition and 1 of 4 cornering me

It took a very precisely laid out path to endgame

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I mean. I was technically the second towniest player

I don't think anyone lynches NF over me but I stayed the towniest non NF unconfirmed player for almost all of the game

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Just remember that in this game

Only two nightkills sliced off of the top of the town pile

12 mechanics were used to remove people from the bottom of the town pile and the 13th/14th got cleared.

That's how you should look at balance btw. Look at mechanics that remove or clear townread players versus scumread ones.

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I can't easily calculate EV for this game because it's really hard to calculate

But I really really don't think scum wins this a lot

If anyone disagrees they're welcome to do a guilty child rerun of the game

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I can't start arguing for changes without first establishing that they're necessary

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That view is the correct one

The one where you rank the players from top to bottom

It misses a lot but

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It's the one I used for my normal game WR calculator

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Not that I agree with his statements about win equity

I just think the system of modelling is superior and it also works well with calculating the impact of cops and such

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It's outdated it was based off of the old normal rules

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why not pick 8 players and they can all have 1 ball

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Mbaki had been thoroughly discredited since D1 and was always gonna be a mislynch

Taly slot ended up eating a nightkill anyway

I forget, was Taly townreading Ank?

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I dunno. I don't think that the replaces changed anytjing.

Mbaki was right on me but so was Moongrass and it would have always been easy to talk my way out of that mislynch b/c of the way out interactions went.

Whoever got Titus in TR game probably damaged town more than anyone else, but not because they left.

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I'm not sure what Tohru's thing was.

I don't feel like I pushed either Ankamius or them out of the game.

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I was prepared to replace out, but I cared and fought it out.

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I was prepared to replace out, but I cared and fought it out.

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Just verbally abuse your way to victory RC.

For town, fuck you for not listening.

Also I might be drunk.

But logic is fucking dead.

No

I legitimately tried to get a message through to you against my win condition. The easy path to endgame was to pocket you. I've won too many games doing that and I didn't want this one to be on your shoulders as well.

Titus you made this game so much easier for scum.

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Titus pushing a veto that let us kill two difficult mislynches without being able to be held accountable for it was incredibly pro scum

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Idk

If you guys go back and tell Titus she played great and did everything wrong then she has no motivation to change the way she played this. I can't do this thing alone.

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And did everything right.

Bootleg reinforcement and all that. Rip

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Ok

But Titus plays wrong in the same way consistently game after game

If your play is unpredictably bad, it's hard to suggest change

When you make the same mistakes for 6 years it's a lot easier

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Like I linked the game in thread where before the game I had told her she was too easily buddied and told her in our next game where I was scum I'd buddy her and then she still hard townread me for buddying her so idk

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I think she can change if she realizes that she's doing something wrong

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Titus you saw me as scum because you seeing me as scum wasn't relevant to whether I won the game or not.

You're 0-16 against me now. You can't actually read me.

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Something something limestone

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Let's just avoid each other then, Titus.

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I'm trying to help you, Titus.

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I'm sorry that you can't see that

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Also, you've claimed several times that you scumread me and town didn't listen. Actually you never expressed a read on me vs 0verki11, just that TD was town. You warp reality to make yourself look like the downtrodden hero every time.

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If you put your ability to convince people to do things to work doing better more protown things you'd win a lot of games

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If you put your ability to convince people to do things to work doing better more protown things you'd win a lot of games

it's less ability to convince and more just ability to make it fucking exhausting and miserable to fight against it

this yeah

I was scum and I was still just... really put out

[RadiantCowbells]

Wow Fusco outed me okay lol

[RadiantCowbells]

Please don't get mad at each other because I won.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not trying to gang up on her

But constructive criticism is irrelevant if she feels she did nothing wrong and if she keeps losing and blaming external factors rather than herself she'll never change

[RadiantCowbells]

Mbaki had been thoroughly discredited since D1 and was always gonna be a mislynch

Taly slot ended up eating a nightkill anyway

I forget, was Taly townreading Ank?

i want to see how you do on a site with better players, not autopilot like ms is

Barring 1 single game where I said in scum chat from the start of D1 that i really dc to play the game as scum, barely posted, and got lynched D1

I haven't lost a game as scum on MU either.
Or on any other sites that I've played on

[RadiantCowbells]

i believe exact game count is 11/1 on MU

[RadiantCowbells]

u can read the 1 loss for yourself. i didn't try at all, just couldn't be assed. i regretted it later.

i also essentially gamethrew on d1 of princess bride against a super stacked MU lobby but decided i didn't want to lose and still pulled that one out.

have never really felt that it was harder on MU outside of there being less free mislynches

[RadiantCowbells]

obvsly this doesn't count turbos, because like, lolturbos.

[RadiantCowbells]

have never really felt that it was harder on MU outside of there being less free mislynches

as in

the easy games aren't quite as easy

the harder games aren't harder.

[RadiantCowbells]

i didn't play ToS

but my winrate on starcraft 2 mafia was pretty obscene, not that i was able to track it

[RadiantCowbells]

it is if you tell everyone to doc you right at the start of the game and then fake guilties on people that you scumread

[RadiantCowbells]

smith ur shit

[RadiantCowbells]

mhshit0

[RadiantCowbells]

Let's all watch the godfather