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Post Post #3023 (isolation #400) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:22 am

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In post 3020, Creature wrote:Do you think it's possible two scum (Oka and Oversoul) decided to ask me out?
Entirely possible

I own on double checking GR at some point too make sure my read is valid, but I don't think that's necessary atm
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Post Post #3025 (isolation #401) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:22 am

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I plan on*
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Post Post #3026 (isolation #402) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:23 am

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unwnd is off limits
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Post Post #3031 (isolation #403) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:25 am

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Creature can you rank each pairing in a rough order you'd lynch in atm
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Post Post #3033 (isolation #404) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:25 am

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You too pops
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Post Post #3035 (isolation #405) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:28 am

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Ok what do you have at all then
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Post Post #3038 (isolation #406) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:31 am

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I'm at a whole new level of disappointment pops
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Post Post #3043 (isolation #407) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:36 am

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That was to pops, creature
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Post Post #3045 (isolation #408) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:37 am

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I feel like this game would already be a town stomp if the pairings weren't the way they are
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Post Post #3049 (isolation #409) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:38 am

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Yup creature is town
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Post Post #3051 (isolation #410) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:39 am

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Bitmap/Shiro/Deas should have the other two scum in it

I'm townreading literally everyone else
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Post Post #3055 (isolation #411) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:40 am

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In post 3054, Creature wrote:Somewhat like too good to be true
I'm going with it until proven otherwise

I don't think I'm far off here if I'm off at so all
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Post Post #3057 (isolation #412) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:42 am

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And even on that, I prefer Shiro to die last of the three since he's technically comfortably in his townrange, annoyingly
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Post Post #3059 (isolation #413) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:42 am

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Ftr MariaR + unwnd are the same alignment

And I'm 90% sure that's town
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Post Post #3061 (isolation #414) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:43 am

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In post 3058, Golden Robster wrote:this game wont be hard to solve because oka iso gives us the biggest clues

anka is town and creature is most likely town

fire/shiro has one scum and most likely someone bussed
The game is literally over if we hit a second scum today

There is three obvious TvT pairings in that case and scum can't outmatch that
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Post Post #3091 (isolation #415) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:19 am

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I literally

can't look at bitmap's posts over the last 2 pages

and call that town
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Post Post #3092 (isolation #416) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:20 am

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I literally can't
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Post Post #3095 (isolation #417) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:22 am

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honestly

with the fact that people switched to townreading him after dance started, I'm really not convinced he'll ever be lynched if we die to intermission
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Post Post #3097 (isolation #418) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:24 am

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up to you

both 100% need to flip this game regardless
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Post Post #3102 (isolation #419) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:28 am

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I can see three different pairings being eliminated at intermission, us being one of them
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Post Post #3103 (isolation #420) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:29 am

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In post 3100, SXTLHGaiden wrote:
In post 3099, Cephrir wrote:you aren't dying to intermission lmao
me and kagamin are probably dying.
this is the best case scenario of the three imo
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Post Post #3106 (isolation #421) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:30 am

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yes
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Post Post #3110 (isolation #422) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:32 am

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ceph

there's literally two other pairings that are essentially IC pairings
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Post Post #3116 (isolation #423) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:35 am

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VOTE: Bitmap
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Post Post #3119 (isolation #424) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:39 am

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now you're seeing why I think looking for town is much more important than looking for scum in this setup
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Post Post #3121 (isolation #425) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:40 am

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yes
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Post Post #3122 (isolation #426) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:42 am

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if you find enough TvT pairs, then scum have to play very very well to lynch all the other TvT claims to stand any chance
if you hit a situation where it's obvious at least one town got pocketed by their partner, it's another useful tool to figure out who is the most likely pocketed

plus if you go by general townread strength, you can get a lot more information by removing the pairings with very low town equity, even if they both end up flipping town
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Post Post #3124 (isolation #427) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:43 am

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that's not even going into the idea that specifically looking to pair the most town players together forces scum to either look really town to have a chance, or partner with sketchy players and inevitably get lynched
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Post Post #3127 (isolation #428) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:46 am

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Kagami + SXTLHGaiden is almost always TvT
MariaR + me is almost always TvT
unwnd + popsofctown is almost always TvT

Golden Robster + Creature is very likely TvT, pending a check on GR that I'll do later
Firebringer +Shiro is probably TvT (Firebringer is hilariously obvtown and Shiro is still comfortably in his townrange), not really interested in sorting that until I have to

Deasvail + Cephrir <--- DeasVail is likely scum, Cephrir rarely is
Dunnstral + Bitmap <--- Bitmap is likely scum, Dunnstral rarely is
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Post Post #3133 (isolation #429) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:53 am

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In post 3131, Cephrir wrote:
In post 3127, Ankamius wrote:Kagami + SXTLHGaiden is almost always TvT
MariaR + me is almost always TvT
unwnd + popsofctown is almost always TvT

Golden Robster + Creature is very likely TvT, pending a check on GR that I'll do later
Firebringer +Shiro is probably TvT (Firebringer is hilariously obvtown and Shiro is still comfortably in his townrange), not really interested in sorting that until I have to

Deasvail + Cephrir <--- DeasVail is likely scum, Cephrir rarely is
Dunnstral + Bitmap <--- Bitmap is likely scum, Dunnstral rarely is
overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer
well guess what cephrir

my d1 reads are either great or terrible

and my most consistent scumread throughout d1 just flipped scum
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Post Post #3135 (isolation #430) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:54 am

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just like how it's a coincidence that people wanted Bitmap to be flipped until the dance started?
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Post Post #3143 (isolation #431) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:07 am

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M----------
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Post Post #3145 (isolation #432) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:33 am

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should I be townreading you???
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Post Post #3150 (isolation #433) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:07 am

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Firebringer's thoughts atm:

"Ank is townreading me?????????"
"Sure let's vote the same person she's voting!!!!!!!"
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Post Post #3153 (isolation #434) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:08 am

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you think I don't have the ability to read you?
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Post Post #3155 (isolation #435) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:10 am

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tough shit
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Post Post #3157 (isolation #436) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:12 am

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I never understood why Bitmap started getting townreads in the first place

it's like

bitmap was scumread and then he started getting townread... because.......................... reasons???
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Post Post #3158 (isolation #437) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:12 am

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and yes bitmap's last several posts were openwolfing
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Post Post #3160 (isolation #438) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:12 am

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In post 3159, Firebringer wrote:
In post 3155, Ankamius wrote:tough shit
nou
I have a near solve

what do you have
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Post Post #3171 (isolation #439) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:35 am

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So what is MariaRs plan for endgame Bitmap?
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Post Post #3173 (isolation #440) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:36 am

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Is that hammer?
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Post Post #3177 (isolation #441) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:43 am

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Why the vote deas?
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Post Post #3183 (isolation #442) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:50 am

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I'll just be honest here

I don't give a shit who the last scum is if Bitmap flips scum, I'm calling this game a success in that scenario
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Post Post #3184 (isolation #443) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:50 am

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in that case, it's probably not deas since I have a tendency to have one scum I can never catch in every game
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Post Post #3186 (isolation #444) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:51 am

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only if you want to be, sweetie
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Post Post #3190 (isolation #445) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:52 am

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In post 3187, MariaR wrote:the vote from deas makes me think it isn't as simple as lynching deas/ceph bit/dunn back to back
it legitimately might be like

bitmap/robster
bitmap/shiro
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Post Post #3191 (isolation #446) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:52 am

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but yea I'm running out of slots that can be scum either way
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Post Post #3194 (isolation #447) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:55 am

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deas is oldschool

that's not necessarily scummy
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Post Post #3201 (isolation #448) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:57 am

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In post 3195, Kagami wrote:
In post 2880, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2871, Kagami wrote:GE, could you please report Oka's PT reads if he had any? Awkward interactions, etc?
He didn't like Bitmap latching onto Dunn, which I feel lends to my idea of Dunn pocketing bit
So the bitmap-scum angle to this is that Oka specifically picked out not liking a partner doing something, and only in the privacy of his PT?
oka was pretty clearly going down, so all he could do was try to set things up for his partners to have a better shot

what's more likely, that he was trying to set up bitmap for a fall or to try to get him out of harm's way more easily?
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Post Post #3204 (isolation #449) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:00 pm

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why is townreading me bad?
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Post Post #3210 (isolation #450) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:02 pm

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there's a point where you just know you're eventually going to be a lynch, kagami

like

it was very likely since early on in first dance that they'd be gone before intermission
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Post Post #3211 (isolation #451) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:02 pm

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In post 3209, Firebringer wrote:@ank because i don't think i have a good reason too, but i don't even know why. I just feel like ur not scum.

that annoyance when u can't explain a feeling.
it's your gut telling you to follow my lead
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Post Post #3218 (isolation #452) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:07 pm

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In post 3212, Bitmap wrote:Im getting RC paranoia seeing Ank and MariaR post.
please stop the flattery is too much
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Post Post #3223 (isolation #453) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:11 pm

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I think that's fire's way of being flirty
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Post Post #3233 (isolation #454) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:27 pm

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In post 3231, Kagami wrote:Ank, can you flesh out the GR read for me?
independently, I thought that the way GR was handling the pressure on her was a really townish tone, very different from what I've seen from her in ircher's large normal

I admit I can be wrong on that mainly because from what I can tell (krazy's meta on her), she tryhards a lot more as scum than town and that technically could be in play this game

although I also don't really feel like she's being especially conscious of where her reads are at so idk
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Post Post #3235 (isolation #455) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:28 pm

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one thing I will note is that I locktowned her in that game despite her being scum, although that's not entirely relevant either since I was primarily using VCA and NKA to find scum and I was assuming a larger team than actually existed
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Post Post #3239 (isolation #456) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:31 pm

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nah, we haven't spoken a whole lot about specific reads, mostly about pairing priorities, which we've been mostly synced on all game

only one we've really talked about was unwnd
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Post Post #3240 (isolation #457) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:31 pm

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pairing priorities as in which pairings we want to lynch in what order
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Post Post #3245 (isolation #458) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:27 pm

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big reason I judge pairings, unwnd
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Post Post #3246 (isolation #459) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:40 pm

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ftr I don't really think there's very good odds of one half having two scum in it just by play, I think a lot of these pairings ended up happening for reasons that are mostly independent of alignment

Like really, Ceph + Deas is very unlikely to be alignment indicative for either
FB + Shiro is an obvious pairing
Kagami + Gaiden is an obvious pairing

Then you have MariaR and me, which is probably something that we would both do in TvT, TvS, and SvT in whichever scenario, probably something you'd have to really dig at to narrow it down just from that angle alone

Then you have Oka + Gamma, which Oka probably went for to ensure he'd have a somewhat reasonable chance of getting through predance without having to settle

The other three is basically forced in some way
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Post Post #3247 (isolation #460) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:43 pm

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Btw scum!me most likely pairs with MariaR because I think she'd be one of the biggest threats to my team in this plist and it would help me control the game if I could take her out when I feel like it would help my team win

Or even better, use her hunting in the PT to pocket the rest of the game and powerwolf the game where I want it to be

I could see MariaR picking me as a partner for a similar reason since I tend to be a major wildcard as town
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Post Post #3249 (isolation #461) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:45 pm

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I think Dunn just derped and took a scum partner over two significantly more town ones
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Post Post #3250 (isolation #462) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:46 pm

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Like I'd probably be looking to push a Dunn+Alisae pairing to endgame in most situations
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Post Post #3253 (isolation #463) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:49 pm

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Fine with me

I'm mostly wanting to sort deas once and for all mainly, if he's town sand can really show it, all the better
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Post Post #3256 (isolation #464) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:16 pm

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I play mafia because it's a very easy mental stimulant
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Post Post #3265 (isolation #465) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:57 pm

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it's just bitmap + shiro, dunn
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Post Post #3266 (isolation #466) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:59 pm

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like yeah, those associatives are bad

but bitmap's shiro associatives are also bad
and oka's bitmap associatives are also bad
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Post Post #3267 (isolation #467) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:00 pm

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bitmap was soft defending the FB/Shiro pair and then randomly changed his mind as soon as Oka flipped and it became very obvious that Bitmap was going to have to be the one to endgame if at all

Oka was very... meh about bitmap all game, a lot of noncommittal anything about him
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Post Post #3268 (isolation #468) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:01 pm

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plus

if you were on a team with shiro and okapoka, you'd panic like bitmap did if you were facing a very likely possibility of being left out of the dance

and bitmap was very survivalistic towards the end of predance
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Post Post #3269 (isolation #469) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:03 pm

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like

keep in mind

the two remaining gentlemen had no real reason to fear they wouldn't have a partner

creature and alisae had very town reactions to being among the last three to have a chance to partner up

bitmap PANICKED
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Post Post #3272 (isolation #470) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:06 pm

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it stuck out like a sore thumb, dunn
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Post Post #3274 (isolation #471) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:07 pm

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when he realized that he either paired with you or with nobody
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Post Post #3279 (isolation #472) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:21 pm

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biggest damning thing about Bitmap's thought process regarding to pairs here

Look at his mentions of me in his ISO

Then look at #1015
Then look at #1032
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Post Post #3280 (isolation #473) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:23 pm

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I strongly expect what ended up happening is that Bitmap was trying to pocket me into becoming his dance partner

and then when I turned on him, he switched to you to make sure he could be partnered instead of being left out, which was a very real possibility at that point

note that he basically stops interacting with me entirely after I called him scum
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Post Post #3281 (isolation #474) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:26 pm

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In post 3277, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2088, Bitmap wrote:
In post 2086, OkaPoka wrote:Is the issue of firebringer/shiro solely stemming from their pairing?
And their post quality. Like Fire said Shiro was scummy but still wanted to dance with Shiro? That's really bad.
I think this post points away from Shiro/Bitmap being aligned
the problem with this is that the fb/shiro pairing doesn't even come up again until later, where he outright calls for another lynch over them, this was just a statement thrown out there and left to fester

if it was 'really bad', then he would likely be more willing to hop onto it, no?
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Post Post #3283 (isolation #475) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:33 pm

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...?

The mentions almost entirely stop after 1014

I called him scum in 1015

He reached out to you to save him in 1032
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Post Post #3288 (isolation #476) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:37 pm

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I don't understand that conclusion dunn
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Post Post #3367 (isolation #477) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:41 pm

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All I've been seeing

Is arguments about lynching the same 4 pairings for different reasons
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Post Post #3368 (isolation #478) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:43 pm

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Nobody wants to lynch kagami + gaiden
Nobody wants to lynch unwnd + pops
Nobody but apparently Shiro wants to lynch rob + Creature
Nobody but apparently Dunn wants to lynch mariar + me

But the other three are popular lynch options that everybody is arguing about
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Post Post #3369 (isolation #479) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:45 pm

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And the funny thing is

It's all literally "everyone in that pairing is hard defending themselves, everybody not in that pairing wants to flip that pairing"

what exactly are we going to achieve by running in circles around this shit over and over again when 95% of the time these pairings are the next three lynches in whatever order?
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Post Post #3370 (isolation #480) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:46 pm

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Just something funny I've been noticing

It's not literally true but it's basically how the game is right now and I'm not convinced any level of arguing actually matters
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Post Post #3371 (isolation #481) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:48 pm

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And we're somehow herpaderping around like unless you somehow think that there's two scum in gaiden/Robster/creature/mariar/me like any of this shit matters in the first place
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Post Post #3372 (isolation #482) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:49 pm

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Oh add unwnd and pops to that list too
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Post Post #3373 (isolation #483) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:10 pm

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Technically it's still a scum win if there's only one scum outside of that and they're lynched last

But that still assumes Shiro and Bitmap are BOTH town which I really don't ever buy
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Post Post #3374 (isolation #484) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:14 pm

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Even then, the game is literally over if everyone's reads are correct since one scum in shiro/Bitmap puts the game in auto

Lynch those two pairings
Then lynch every other pairing except for whichever kagami/gaiden or unwnd/pops pairing is still alive

we just need to hit scum within the next two lynches and we win
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Post Post #3376 (isolation #485) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:30 pm

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Bitmap better be town, Dunn.

VOTE: FB/Shiro
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Post Post #3377 (isolation #486) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:30 pm

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Because if this is a TvT pairing, I'm hard pushing your pairing down
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Post Post #3379 (isolation #487) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:11 pm

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Nvm I got pairings and slots confused, I was right the first time that it doesn't matter

VOTE: Bitmap
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Post Post #3382 (isolation #488) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:46 pm

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Shiro having low activity is not AI
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Post Post #3383 (isolation #489) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:46 pm

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Bitmap is fully capable of being high activity as scum

I literally just saw it
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Post Post #3388 (isolation #490) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:50 pm

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Good scum can be lynched d1
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Post Post #3397 (isolation #491) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:32 pm

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I think you're close to alone with not ever wanting to lynch my pairing fire
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Post Post #3402 (isolation #492) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:40 pm

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Oh fire you're such a flirt
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Post Post #3403 (isolation #493) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:43 pm

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In post 3400, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3399, Firebringer wrote:
In post 3397, Ankamius wrote:I think you're close to alone with not ever wanting to lynch my pairing fire
I am never alone when I am with u
Is that what you'll say to ank in the dead thread 5 days from now
You'll be there to see it yourself
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Post Post #3428 (isolation #494) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:48 am

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UNVOTE: Bitmap

I'll give you some room
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Post Post #3437 (isolation #495) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:17 am

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I maintain that Oka was trying to discredit me
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Post Post #3438 (isolation #496) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:19 am

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Deas

I've been struggling to see you as town because I get the impression that you're trying to put out content to look like you're town rather than getting into the nitty gritty and solving

I didn't feel that way about you at all when I read through overkill 2
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Post Post #3440 (isolation #497) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:19 am

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To put it another way, it feels like you're detached from your solving
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Post Post #3442 (isolation #498) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:29 am

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This game is starting to be a headache
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Post Post #3448 (isolation #499) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:04 am

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Where are you overall atm Kagami?
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Post Post #3450 (isolation #500) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:20 am

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I'd pull the bop card on myself to call FB town

I really really doubt I'm ever wrong on that in this game
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Post Post #3452 (isolation #501) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:29 am

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Idk what you should post here anymore either
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Post Post #3456 (isolation #502) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:55 am

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Wait, we're lynching you for attacking authority?
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Post Post #3457 (isolation #503) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:56 am

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In post 3453, Bitmap wrote:
In post 3452, Ankamius wrote:Idk what you should post here anymore either
Alright then, I'll give you a no frills question that I want you and MariaR to answer.

Who will you two push if me and Dunn flip town?
In post 3454, Bitmap wrote:And how much of a setback would this be for town?
Another slot I'm not townreading most likely!

And probably not at all since your flip is valuable into as either alignment!
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Post Post #3467 (isolation #504) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:17 am

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I.................. was never pushing you for that
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Post Post #3468 (isolation #505) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:18 am

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Btw I unvoted because I want dunn to have a chance to get to wherever his read shift gets him

I think he is paired to scum but he's still a town read and one that I acknowledge has been trying to solve pretty consistently
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Post Post #3487 (isolation #506) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:11 am

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VOTE: Cephrir
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Post Post #3500 (isolation #507) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:12 am

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Hi creature how are you doing today
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Post Post #3503 (isolation #508) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:16 am

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If I ever play one of these dance setups again, I'm grabbing the most town person I can for myself
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Post Post #3505 (isolation #509) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:16 am

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Hey let's not start suggesting people leave thanks

That's how town fucks up in this setup
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Post Post #3507 (isolation #510) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:17 am

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Treat this game like a normal game where you lynch someone you think is scum and already know who the NK is beforehand
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Post Post #3515 (isolation #511) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:21 am

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Go for it
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Post Post #3519 (isolation #512) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:25 am

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I think Ceph is the scum if that pairing has scum
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Post Post #3528 (isolation #513) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:32 am

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Interesting story creature
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Post Post #3531 (isolation #514) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:38 am

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I'm not interesting in USA politics sorry
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Post Post #3547 (isolation #515) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:44 am

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Now I feel bad

But this pairing has to be lynched sometime... :/
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Post Post #3549 (isolation #516) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:45 am

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In post 3546, Cephrir wrote:i think a "deepwolf" as the kids call them nowadays is pretty likely and most of you are underestimating the probability of that
It's practically impossible to tell without the obvious slots being flipped, which is why I'm so annoyed that the pairings are the way they are
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Post Post #3559 (isolation #517) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:48 am

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If second dance is a lot of leaving, I'm going to scream
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Post Post #3576 (isolation #518) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:53 am

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Mine is the best
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Post Post #3585 (isolation #519) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:55 am

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In post 3579, Creature wrote:
In post 3576, Ankamius wrote:Mine is the best
1. Google "anime girl avatar"
No???????

Do you need a dose of claomh solais
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Post Post #3589 (isolation #520) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:56 am

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In post 3583, popsofctown wrote:WIFOM paranoia leaving is exactly the gamethrow condition ank is worried about
And this is how you know MariaR and I pairing was objectively correct
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Post Post #3596 (isolation #521) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:58 am

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In post 3590, Creature wrote:
In post 3585, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3579, Creature wrote:
In post 3576, Ankamius wrote:Mine is the best
1. Google "anime girl avatar"
No???????

Do you need a dose of claomh solais
Clao what?
https://legendofheroes.fandom.com/wiki/Claimh%3DSolais
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Post Post #3598 (isolation #522) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:58 am

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In post 3595, Creature wrote:Great

We're lacking actually towny players
Who are the actually towny players
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Post Post #3604 (isolation #523) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:00 am

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In post 3602, popsofctown wrote:
In post 3598, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3595, Creature wrote:Great

We're lacking actually towny players
Who are the actually towny players
Alisae and Gamma Emerald
ur right
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Post Post #3607 (isolation #524) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:01 am

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Do you need a dose of claomh solais too Cephrir
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Post Post #3615 (isolation #525) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:03 am

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In post 3613, Creature wrote:
In post 3598, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3595, Creature wrote:Great

We're lacking actually towny players
Who are the actually towny players
Players that actually know what they're doing?
You expect that in a mafia game?
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Post Post #3619 (isolation #526) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:04 am

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I think creature has gotten really bitter in his old age
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Post Post #3623 (isolation #527) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:05 am

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In post 3621, Bitmap wrote:I'm hoping DV flips scum so I can get in a fist fight with Ank/MariaR when they push Dunns.
Bring it on you butt
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Post Post #3632 (isolation #528) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:08 am

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In post 3629, Creature wrote:
In post 3626, unwnd wrote:People who know what they're doing tend to be scum.
I think we lynch FB/Shiro and Dunn/Bit afterwards.

If the game doesn't end, then I think we're gonna have to take a closer look at your pairing, Ank's too.
I'm sad monster man
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Post Post #3635 (isolation #529) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:10 am

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I'm too lazy to go hardcore so you're SOL bitmap
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Post Post #3640 (isolation #530) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:12 am

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Honestly once a second scum flips, designate the top 2 town pairings and just flip everyone else
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Post Post #3646 (isolation #531) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:13 am

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Ftr that's pops + Kagami pairings, I don't think any other pairing is town enough to have a real lylo with them
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Post Post #3655 (isolation #532) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:15 am

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In post 3643, Kagami wrote:
In post 3640, Ankamius wrote:Honestly once a second scum flips, designate the top 2 town pairings and just flip everyone else
Don't get complacent, on a second scumflip, take the time to evaluate before going crazy.
The second dance is a set time limit for 5 pairings to resolve

If we catch 2 scum easy, odds are we have the third and even if we don't, it will be obvious immediately and there will be more time to determine who it is
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Post Post #3657 (isolation #533) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:15 am

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In post 3648, MariaR wrote:
In post 3646, Ankamius wrote:Ftr that's pops + Kagami pairings, I don't think any other pairing is town enough to have a real lylo with them
</3
Very few to no people would ever tolerate that
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Post Post #3661 (isolation #534) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:17 am

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In post 3659, Bitmap wrote:
In post 3657, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3648, MariaR wrote:
In post 3646, Ankamius wrote:Ftr that's pops + Kagami pairings, I don't think any other pairing is town enough to have a real lylo with them
</3
Very few to no people would ever tolerate that
if ur pair is alive at end game im going to assume town is throwing
That's literally how I feel about yours
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Post Post #3662 (isolation #535) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:17 am

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In post 3660, MariaR wrote:I don't care if others believe in me. All I need is you Ank
I believe in you
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Post Post #3670 (isolation #536) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:20 am

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In post 3668, Bitmap wrote:
In post 3662, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3660, MariaR wrote:I don't care if others believe in me. All I need is you Ank
I believe in you
Reaction test:

What is the best race in FFXIV?
If you say anything but miqote then you're objectively wrong
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Post Post #3672 (isolation #537) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:21 am

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You're dead to me
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Post Post #3673 (isolation #538) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:22 am

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That video is funny yes

But lalafells are creepy and unnecessary
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Post Post #3675 (isolation #539) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:23 am

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Vieras were added to ff14 with the expansion earlier this month
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Post Post #3681 (isolation #540) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:25 am

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In post 3677, Bitmap wrote:
In post 3675, Ankamius wrote:Vieras were added to ff14 with the expansion earlier this month
I'll come back with my one trick scholar once I quit Splatoon 2.
BTW healers got screwed in shb

Scholar feels bad to play I hear
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Post Post #3687 (isolation #541) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:27 am

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In post 3684, Bitmap wrote:
In post 3681, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3677, Bitmap wrote:
In post 3675, Ankamius wrote:Vieras were added to ff14 with the expansion earlier this month
I'll come back with my one trick scholar once I quit Splatoon 2.
BTW healers got screwed in shb

Scholar feels bad to play I hear
Guess I'm not coming back. I only liked healers because it was the easiest role.
I hear white mage is brain dead easy
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Post Post #3694 (isolation #542) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:34 am

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In post 3690, Bitmap wrote:
In post 3687, Ankamius wrote: I hear white mage is brain dead easy
I like flexing my three roles on SCH:

1) Healer
2) Eos where the fuck are you going micro managing
3) DPS
Yeah well as an astro main I get a bunch of wet noodle heals, 80% of the complexity removed, and the card mechanic gutted

SO MUCH SALT
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Post Post #3695 (isolation #543) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:35 am

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In post 3693, Cephrir wrote:ive been playing for like 2 months and i switched to scholar after shb dumpstered my astro :(
Oh hey you get it
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Post Post #3700 (isolation #544) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:37 am

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I don't remember him being in that game
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Post Post #3702 (isolation #545) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:41 am

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you probably are
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Post Post #3708 (isolation #546) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:43 am

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In post 3706, Cephrir wrote:whats that AST? you're fun to play and have an interesting unique mechanic? well fuck you then, now ur minigame is playing connect three to get an ability like what you used to be able to do every ~1 minute but with half the duration on a cooldown of 800 years
BTW don't forget that you have to use sleeve draw along with it to make the most use of it

Basically its the old machinist but worse and there's a reason that class got reworked
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Post Post #3713 (isolation #547) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:50 am

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Dancer is fun tho
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Post Post #3719 (isolation #548) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:12 am

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In post 3716, Creature wrote:Andrius, Firebringer and I had to be force-replaced at some point.

Fun times.
Oh that shit

I remember when you fuckers left me in a neighborhood with accountant, I still haven't forgiven you all for that
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Post Post #3722 (isolation #549) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:17 am

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I ask myself that every time I realize I'm playing a mafia game
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Post Post #3731 (isolation #550) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:53 am

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I plan on going ham on my PT so I'm going to spend this pre-intermission wait on ffxiv ty
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Post Post #3734 (isolation #551) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:57 am

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yes
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Post Post #3757 (isolation #552) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:04 am

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so is there any reason not to lynch dunnmap
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Post Post #3761 (isolation #553) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:09 am

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We have 2 mislynches
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Post Post #3764 (isolation #554) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:15 am

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Correct pops
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Post Post #3765 (isolation #555) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:16 am

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I want FB in here to go into what happened throughout the night

I think if we can comfortably sort Shiro, we have a very strong chance of having a win assuming Shiro is town
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Post Post #3768 (isolation #556) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:18 am

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I think it's dumb luck and nigh unreadable unwnd
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Post Post #3776 (isolation #557) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:24 am

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Expect mariar to hard push Dunnmap today

That's essentially all she said in the pt overnight
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Post Post #3777 (isolation #558) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:24 am

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I think it's Bitmap + GR/Creature
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Post Post #3781 (isolation #559) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:28 am

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In post 3780, popsofctown wrote:What does MariaR hardpush look like
is it pretty
Dunno I'm not sure if I've ever seen it myself

It's probably a lot less messy than mine are though
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Post Post #3784 (isolation #560) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:53 am

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Pops you should only be taking our word at face value if you believe we are town

JS
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Post Post #3787 (isolation #561) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:08 am

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I'll prob go more into my thoughts here eventually

I'm planning on sleeping shortly though
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Post Post #3789 (isolation #562) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:11 am

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I said at one point I was expecting them to be the NK and planning around it
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Post Post #3790 (isolation #563) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:24 am

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Dunn if you could remove two pairings

Which would you remove
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Post Post #3852 (isolation #564) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:28 pm

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In post 3830, Bitmap wrote:
In post 3811, MariaR wrote:
I went radio silent in my PT
because I needed to debate if I was gonna kill Ank or not after that flip.
In post 3776, Ankamius wrote:Expect mariar to hard push Dunnmap today

That's essentially all she said in the pt overnight
I don't get this.
What's contradictory about this, I don't get it
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Post Post #3858 (isolation #565) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:31 pm

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In post 3840, Bitmap wrote:
In post 3838, Creature wrote:Still I don't trust Dunn.
Elaborate?
In post 3839, Creature wrote:3830 could be an actual thing?
I wanna hear from Ank more about what happened in pt.
It's self explanatory

MariaR posted at the beginning at end, first to say that Dunn and Bitmap need to be lynched and that she'll post more later, and last to comment on the game not opening yet an hour before dl
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Post Post #3860 (isolation #566) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:32 pm

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In post 3855, Bitmap wrote:
In post 3852, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3830, Bitmap wrote:
In post 3811, MariaR wrote:
I went radio silent in my PT
because I needed to debate if I was gonna kill Ank or not after that flip.
In post 3776, Ankamius wrote:Expect mariar to hard push Dunnmap today

That's essentially all she said in the pt overnight
I don't get this.
What's contradictory about this, I don't get it
Radio silence !== saying "lynch bitmap lynch bitmap lynch bitmap"
The wording used doesn't differentiate from starting immediately on night start or after already posting, and it's pretty clearly the latter???
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Post Post #3862 (isolation #567) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:34 pm

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We talked less than I'd hoped during the night, but I'm not really all that interested in investigating that until I have good reason to
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Post Post #3890 (isolation #568) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:21 pm

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Shiro do you have like

anything
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Post Post #3892 (isolation #569) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:51 pm

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Alternatively

What are Shiros most recent scumgames
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Post Post #3894 (isolation #570) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:57 pm

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wow

so do you have any other way to show you're town then
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Post Post #3896 (isolation #571) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:01 pm

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because literally

I feel like the way to winning is if your pairing is TvT and can be shown to be TvT

I don't see any other course of action being a clear shot atm
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Post Post #3899 (isolation #572) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:06 pm

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actually I can reconcile that based on how your trajectories went

okay, this game is just loleasy then
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Post Post #3900 (isolation #573) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:07 pm

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well no shit fire's town

that's obvious lol
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Post Post #3901 (isolation #574) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:08 pm

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bitmap + GR/creature is most of the time the scumteam in this game, far more likely to be creature than GR

if those pairings are all town, then it's mariar+unwnd

I really don't think FB/Shiro is scum so
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Post Post #3902 (isolation #575) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:10 pm

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I can't believe we have a dance game where the troll pairing is the designated endgame pairing

wtf is this game
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Post Post #3904 (isolation #576) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:16 pm

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idk how well do you plan games as scum
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Post Post #3905 (isolation #577) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:17 pm

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because your general trajectories require a lot of planning to work as a scum mindset
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Post Post #3908 (isolation #578) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:23 pm

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I'd be interested in seeing the scum pt but that's about it
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Post Post #3913 (isolation #579) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:56 pm

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I'm seeing mostly short term planning and little long term planning

so I think my point is still valid
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Post Post #3915 (isolation #580) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:24 pm

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like

technically that's still possible to be a scum!Shiro thing if the third scum is within MariaR/unwnd/pops

but I still find that less likely than Bitmap/Creature
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Post Post #3916 (isolation #581) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:25 pm

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and even then, that begs the question

MariaR would have to find a way to deal with unwnd/pops to avoid an autolose situation since she was very adamant that the pairing was town in the PT, that sounds very... unlikely in a MariaR/Shiro world
unwnd I think I would trust MariaR's word on with her being town, I'd only expect him to be scum WITH her
pops I'm pretty sure is just objectively town

so what are scum trying to do in that situation to win exactly?
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Post Post #3917 (isolation #582) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:27 pm

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ya

I think the game is really just down to lynching Dunnmap + Goldencreature and working off of those flips, but I genuine think that on the off chance that doesn't end the game, killing my pairing and unwnd/pops just wins
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Post Post #3919 (isolation #583) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:27 pm

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and if firebringer is scum then I seppuku
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Post Post #3920 (isolation #584) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:27 pm

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but firebringer isn't scum
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Post Post #3921 (isolation #585) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:30 pm

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sanity check me pls
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Post Post #3923 (isolation #586) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:31 pm

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yeah I know I'm insane

but this theory isn't insane
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Post Post #3924 (isolation #587) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:32 pm

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is it
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Post Post #3929 (isolation #588) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:45 pm

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I find this focus on flipping your pairing first really bizarre and awkward

Especially with scum in dunnmap
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Post Post #3934 (isolation #589) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:46 pm

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What was the list of people pushing your pairing all game fire

That's probably indicative if both of them were
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Post Post #3936 (isolation #590) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:47 pm

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In post 3931, Firebringer wrote:
In post 3929, Ankamius wrote:I find this focus on flipping your pairing first really bizarre and awkward

Especially with scum in dunnmap
he has been saying me and shiro are scum for a long time tho?
Ya but no mention of flipping Dunnmap???
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Post Post #3941 (isolation #591) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:49 pm

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In post 3925, Golden Robster wrote:the only thing that worries me is figuring out which scum was on ceph-dv wagon; either my read on dun-bit is wrong or uwnd-pops has scum or mariaR is scum
This doesn't count
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Post Post #3944 (isolation #592) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:52 pm

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Ofc you do gr
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Post Post #3945 (isolation #593) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:52 pm

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In post 3943, Firebringer wrote:ank how do u typically read creature? cause i just go with if he looks like he is trying to solve or just float and makes up bs reads. And I don't think he is making up bs reads.

can u show me the awkwardness of bitmap flip?
I don't

Nobody knows how to read him anymore so I just don't bother
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Post Post #3949 (isolation #594) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:55 pm

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Meh maybe it isn't creature
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Post Post #3950 (isolation #595) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:56 pm

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In post 3948, Golden Robster wrote:
In post 3944, Ankamius wrote:Ofc you do gr
bitmap was hard-advocating to lynch their own pair to prove his association theory right or to follow his lynches

u dont townread that?
Nope
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Post Post #3960 (isolation #596) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:59 pm

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It's like bitmap is setting up for you and creature to lynch fb Shiro in endgame gr
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Post Post #3963 (isolation #597) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:00 pm

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And both you and creature ate it the hell up more than anyone else

I can see a lot of scum potential there
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Post Post #3967 (isolation #598) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:01 pm

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Bitmap literally has to just town up enough to protect himself since Dunn is blatantly town

It's ridiculous as hell to townread bitmap for reasons like that and not have a townread on Dunn at all

It's basically protecting bitmap while still having the ability to bus if you absolutely have to
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Post Post #3969 (isolation #599) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:02 pm

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Then purge all but fbshiro

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