Starry Night [Game Over]

[unwnd]

so is there any reason not to lynch dunnmap

How many mislynches can we afford? Is the gameplan still lynching BittDunn and then FBShiro? Do we have room to do so?

[unwnd]

What I want to know is if people think town literally all mislynched DeasCeph or there's one scum on there

[unwnd]

I think occam's razor suggests there is btw

[unwnd]

I think discussing it helps more than just ignoring it

Kinda the reason why I agreed to wagon because I wanted to get reads off of how it formed and whatnot

[unwnd]

I think it's Bitmap + GR/Creature

That's where my head is right now too

[unwnd]

So the problem I have right now is that I'm like, pretty confident about that mislynch wagon at least holding one scum. The obvious answer would be to just follow Maria on BittDunn but if that's wrong we're up shit creek. I was fine saying gambling on CephDeas but now with 2 lynches only to spare I really wanna consider some thoughts that I haven't previously. I feel like if we're right then we're right and the game is won, but when CephDeas didn't flip red I started to have my doubts.

Basically, I don't think it's good just confbiasing here without at least discussing different perspectives. If the CephDeas wagon happened the way it did then scum were complacent in this fact and likely didn't want to be actively involved. This thought veers me towards GRob/Creature (moreso GRob) as GRob specifically did not show any resistance to the wagon when it happened. I don't recall his exact stance but a few of those duckouts were pretty suspect to me, or at worst uninterested townies with something more sinister. I'm not ready to fully commit to the idea of something more sinister, but do know it's in the back of my head.

[unwnd]

So the problem I have right now is that I'm like, pretty confident about that mislynch wagon at least holding one scum

The problem is that if yiu think it's a mislynch wagon how can yiu think it has scum in it?

It wouldn't be a mislynch wagon if DeasCeph had a red

[unwnd]

So the problem I have right now is that I'm like, pretty confident about that mislynch wagon at least holding one scum

The problem is that if yiu think it's a mislynch wagon how can yiu think it has scum in it?

It wouldn't be a mislynch wagon if DeasCeph had a red

Irrelevant.. If you were truly confident it has scum in it, you wouldn't call it a mislynch.

Do you really think that pushing semantics would be proper here, especially if you read the post detailing why I felt that way in #3874

[unwnd]

Let me rephrase that: Why are you latching onto the way I worded something instead of discussing the idea of scum being on there

That's more important to me

[unwnd]

In hindsight I like GRob's vote on FB/Shiro but only if FB/Shiro has a red in in it. Otherwise it seems like someone who is just taking the path of least resistance. I find in instances like this scum are trying to sell their directive. I worry about BittDunn angle but if nothing too dynamic happens I will likely vote there.

[unwnd]

Creature offering to leave the dance was pretty brownie townie, and as far as I know Creature/Oka aren't the type of players to fake asking a dance with, certainly not Creature as his strengths rely on his brutal honesty and lack of tact to be townread

[unwnd]

so is there any reason not to lynch dunnmap

How many mislynches can we afford? Is the gameplan still lynching BittDunn and then FBShiro? Do we have room to do so?

No, the game plan is if you lynch BitDunn and they both flip town, you lynch AnkMariaR or popsunwnd. Look at the wagon.

Dunn, bitmap, unwnd, Ankamius, MariaR, popsofctown

This is the wagon we have. At least one of these pairs has a scum I can guarantee it at this point. And these pairs all have their town pocketed so hard that we're in a pretty dangerous position.

unwnd always had a scum read on MariaR and never pushed it. Had me as conf scum but jumped on the DV wagon as soon as the bitt/dunn wagon wasn't going through.

Stop trying to lynch fire/shiro.

I need a more solid stance from you about this pairing. I didn't push Maria because it's a herculean task and I've had a thought in my mind that I've been keeping to myself, waiting for certain things to happen. I will tell you if You/Dunn doesn't have Red I will start considering this theory but not before this happens. I don't know why you're trying to misconstrue my intent to vote CephDeas there, I made it clear what I wanted out of it, hence I am asking you directly.

[unwnd]

I need a more solid stance from you about this pairing. I didn't push Maria because it's a herculean task and I've had a thought in my mind that I've been keeping to myself, waiting for certain things to happen. I will tell you if You/Dunn doesn't have Red I will start considering this theory but not before this happens. I don't know why you're trying to misconstrue my intent to vote CephDeas there, I made it clear what I wanted out of it, hence I am asking you directly.

Your pair has had the least amount of pressure and as Creature said, able to roam around very freely without any backlash. You ducked out of your scum read on MariaR which gave me really bad vibes and I feel like town would be more willing to follow up on it.

I think if anything unwnd/pops and Mariar/Ank has 1-2 scum in there.

I know you're probably going to lynch my pair and I've already clearly given my opinions on most things.

I can agree with your statement if your pairing is T-T

[unwnd]

I need a more solid stance from you about this pairing. I didn't push Maria because it's a herculean task and I've had a thought in my mind that I've been keeping to myself, waiting for certain things to happen. I will tell you if You/Dunn doesn't have Red I will start considering this theory but not before this happens. I don't know why you're trying to misconstrue my intent to vote CephDeas there, I made it clear what I wanted out of it, hence I am asking you directly.

Your pair has had the least amount of pressure and as Creature said, able to roam around very freely without any backlash. You ducked out of your scum read on MariaR which gave me really bad vibes and I feel like town would be more willing to follow up on it.

I think if anything unwnd/pops and Mariar/Ank has 1-2 scum in there.

I know you're probably going to lynch my pair and I've already clearly given my opinions on most things.

I can agree with your statement if your pairing is T-T

Are you going to follow up on this if we flip T-T or wuss out?

Absolutely not

Do you think this game is as easily solved as it's been touted to be? Who are you considering to be Maria's partner? That's the assumption I'm making right now for yourself.

[unwnd]

Absolutely not as in

I will absolutely not wimp out lol

[unwnd]

Absolutely not

Do you think this game is as easily solved as it's been touted to be? Who are you considering to be Maria's partner? That's the assumption I'm making right now for yourself.

Fire or Shiro. If you read their ISO, they deflected a lot of pressure given to those two.

Gun to your head which one?

[unwnd]

Bitmap, I remember you saying if CephDeas had a red you'd be really annoyingly town and treat yourself as clear. What was your mindset after they both flipped green?

[unwnd]

What is everyone's thought if Dunn flips scum?

Probably GRob for me

[unwnd]

What is everyone's thought if Dunn flips scum?

Probably GRob for me

No scum lady this game?

Oh right lol

I guess I'm banking on Bitmap being so

[unwnd]

Well that actually doesn't make sense

If Dunn is scum then GRob can still be also

But in terms of the lady that is less defined

[unwnd]

Is that really all we're going to do though? I kinda was hoping others would latch onto the things I've said. I dunno about this apathy anymore

[unwnd]

Well, I guess what I've said is preemptive and I'm mostly in agreement of this needing to happen, but I was still hoping others would discuss the idea of what's next if this is wrong

I talked a bit about GRob as an example and his relation to everything but idr your stance about him

[unwnd]

VOTE: DunnBit

Fuck it then.

[unwnd]

^What is your read on pops?

A big townread of mine based on the current assumptions made in the thread

If you're town? The complete opposite

[unwnd]

I only like BittDunn based on my own theory of one scum being on that Deas lynch, but I do see what you're saying. Does that mean you're defaulting to Shiro after this or you'd rather go there instead now?

[unwnd]

I hate this setup because I think Creature is town based on what happened with Oka and I'd rather just vote GRob individually.

[unwnd]

VOTE: unvote

[unwnd]

Creature, do you still townread GRob?

I swear to god I'm drinking some kool-aid about that slot and I want it dead.

[unwnd]

Alright I'm gonna go hard if this doesn't have Red

VOTE: BitDunn

[unwnd]

I ISO'd a few things during my unvote but I'll lock on this and consider worse case scenario if it happens

This game really could just be really easy and I'm faking myself the fuck out

you're gonna go hard on who?

GRob possibly

[unwnd]

Other probably a combination of Maria/Pops

Which would fucking suck for me lmao

[unwnd]

Creature I want you to sink GRob for me and if it's wrong you can all throw tomatoes at me

[unwnd]

You are at L-Creature right now

[unwnd]

I honestly would clear you of all doubt if GRob is red Maria

[unwnd]

I honestly would clear you of all doubt if GRob is red Maria

How does GRob relate to me?

Honestly? It was more of what Oversoul did

[unwnd]

I've called Oversoul obv town the whole game. If anything I'd think a GRob scum flip makes you suspect me not tr me

I like your self-awareness here which solidifies my thoughts even further

Do you have issue with Creature leaving to sink GRob? You're banking on Dunn being scum yeah?

[unwnd]

You are at L-Creature right now

I don't think I ever hammer someone unless I'm scum on a stupidly townsided setup.

So you're not gonna hammer this?

[unwnd]

Ank-Maria (T-T) if BittDunn has a red

Thinking FB/Shiro as the other regardless and then I wanna flip GRob like a bad habit.

[unwnd]

Creature you're gonna have to hammer this man

FB actively stated he's AFKing, Shiro has pretty much _been_ AFKing, GRob came back in to reiterate the same thing he did last time he posted, and then BittDunn want to flip Ank/Maria but refuse to leave

That leaves Me You Pops as possible people willing to discuss alternatives

It ain't pretty

[unwnd]

If Maria is scum town is actively letting her control the game Dunn lol

[unwnd]

If Maria is scum town is actively letting her control the game Dunn lol

you think this is a rare magical occurrence that never happens on this site?

are you sure you're an alt?

No I've seen it happen all the time

I'm just saying that I'm disappointed if that's the case because I can't play the game for others

[unwnd]

I gotta tab out and do something that I enjoy instead of F5'ing this thread waiting for Creature to decide because I'm getting a headache

[unwnd]

If Maria is scum town is actively letting her control the game Dunn lol

you think this is a rare magical occurrence that never happens on this site?

are you sure you're an alt?

No I've seen it happen all the time

I'm just saying that I'm disappointed if that's the case because I can't play the game for others

hi Mariar's partner

You are disgustingly wrong about this and I'm tempted to suicide so you get a better alibi or do something if you're town.

[unwnd]

This whole game has been on the same cycle and it's frustrating me. I'm not gonna sit here and say my play is the next coming of Mafia Christ but for Jesus sake I hope the lot of you are town finally decide to PLAY THE FUCKING GAME after this

[unwnd]

I am playing the game. If you want to advance, suggest a lynch that isn't my pairing

GRob

[unwnd]

Yeah that's the bad thing about this setup and part of my frustration

[unwnd]

That probably doesn't help

We should compromise somewhere but that seems impossible

[unwnd]

Pops regardless how you feel about it please hammer BittDunn because both pairs will complain about the other until one is dead

[unwnd]

I am playing the game. If you want to advance, suggest a lynch that isn't my pairing

GRob

But why is he scum

PoE and the way the game has transpired, I'm being sorta vague but I shouldn't even be here trying to make posts

[unwnd]

Fuck yes

VOTE: GRob

[unwnd]

Creature I'm sorry u don't deserve this

[unwnd]

I either pop the fuck off

Or pop a bullet into my skull depending on what GRob flips

[unwnd]

i am literally only lynching this rn, because creature pissed me of in not moving the game forward.
the vengeance is strong with me

This post made me laugh and it was definitely needed

[unwnd]

Hey unwnd, I think your lover pair is scum.

I'll take your words to heart mate, promise

[unwnd]

Honestly FB/Shiro if GRob is red

[unwnd]

I agree with FB lol

[unwnd]

Godspeed creature

Bitmap hammer.

[unwnd]

Good night, Sweet prince.

[unwnd]

If GRob isn't scum I'm putting a dunce hat on my avatar for the remainder of the game.

[unwnd]

I am so fucking good at Mafia

[unwnd]

I say, as I definitely wasn't nervous ready to be embarrassed and humiliated in front of everyone.

[unwnd]

I'm tempted to just hammer lol

[unwnd]

So how does town lose this here

[unwnd]

I'm assuming this is lylo?

??

Like if we mislynch and a scum is left in a pairing dont they just win

[unwnd]

Oh that makes me ass chafe a bit less thanks

[unwnd]

FB I think this is a scenario either where there is one deepscum or Shiro is just scum from the fact both Pops (going by your vote) has willy-nilly voted two reds now.

That's like, extremely deep scum

Scum up to ur fucking shins

[unwnd]

I absolutely agree on not rushing this anymore

[unwnd]

FB I think this is a scenario either where there is one deepscum or Shiro is just scum from the fact both Pops (going by your vote) has willy-nilly voted two reds now.

That's like, extremely deep scum

Scum up to ur fucking shins

Bussing isn't that big a factor atm considering I doubt the scumteam was banking on grob of all people

Is this just the setup that makes you think this? How many lynches do they need to win

[unwnd]

FB I think this is a scenario either where there is one deepscum or Shiro is just scum from the fact both Pops (going by your vote) has willy-nilly voted two reds now.

That's like, extremely deep scum

Scum up to ur fucking shins

Bussing isn't that big a factor atm considering I doubt the scumteam was banking on grob of all people

Is this just the setup that makes you think this? How many lynches do they need to win

They needed 3 assuming you mean after first dance with Oka dead

I mean right now

[unwnd]

I think we should figure out our strong townreads atm. Considering it's 1 scum left if we all have a strong townread on a slot we can lower the poe. Along with the fact that if X has a strong townread on Y it's good to consider because X is either scum or town who has a confident read on Y

Ankimus
Firebringer
--
Pops
You/Shiro

[unwnd]

Conf Town:

GR

Town:

Lupin/Creature

Leaning Town:

Firebringer,

Dunnstral

Semi-leaning Town:

Unwnd

Slight Town:

Bitmap, Gaiden,

GE
Null/Undecided: Shiro,

Cephrir

, MariaR,

Slight Scum:

Anka, pops

Semi-leaning Scum:

Kagami

Leaning Scum:

Alisae

,

OkaPoka

Scum:

This is a decently telling list

I dunno who GE is here

[unwnd]

I mean I guess it's not game-breaking telling rather

Something to think about

[unwnd]

I'd like you to explain me/Shiro after we get the townreads figured out.
I think if Ank/Fire are scum I'm fine with losing to that

I dunno I think it'd be pretty stupid of me to do the same exact thing Bitmap did and suddenly worry about Pops (right now). I think Shiro just stands out in terms of simply not being here, ineffective and not really making any plays. I can see her just being apathetic as a last mate but I'm feeling like with BittDunn being T-T there is definitely some form of DeepWolf around here

Just not sure what

[unwnd]

I'll do some more digging.

You sure on Shiro, FB?

[unwnd]

Umd you said why Shiro is there but why am I? (scumread wise)

Spoiler:

This sounds stupid but I don't want you to be mad at me if I'm wrong about you so my brain is just defaulting to hoping Shiro is just scum so you wouldn't ever wanna play with me again cause It's nice to do stuff together lol

[unwnd]

okay. so that thing with dunn earlier was just to get the lynch, right?

I thought that was blatantly obvious yes
pedit:Okay so how did this happens:

I honestly would clear you of all doubt if GRob is red Maria

I think we should figure out our strong townreads atm. Considering it's 1 scum left if we all have a strong townread on a slot we can lower the poe. Along with the fact that if X has a strong townread on Y it's good to consider because X is either scum or town who has a confident read on Y

Ankimus
Firebringer
--
Pops
You/Shiro

I was lying a bit about it so you would get on GRob if you were scum

Underhanded tactic and pretty worthless if youre just town but yeah

PEdit: LOL That response is even more scary. You do certain things that make me hesitate but I guess where I stand is I really feel like there was a deepscum planted somewhere if FB is right on Shiro

[unwnd]

What's your feeling about Pops? Is it just PoE?

[unwnd]

Gonna give this thread a mental break and see what Pops says

[unwnd]

I had some thoughts while brushing my teeth (see: just waking up) so that's how u know I'm invested

Gonna look at something again before I write this up.

[unwnd]

OK

I think I have a plan that secures victory. I'm like...90% sure it's Maria. I've played with the idea all game but the fact remains is that she makes the most sense to me right here. Let me preface this thought that I am willing to be fooled by Pops but will not suicide for this fact. I think FB/Shiro are both town based on the associations made throughout the game. I do not think GRob was pushing Shiro not to distance, rather just to make it seem like he was doing something. GRob was constantly peddling the same opinion about FB/Shiro and that type of consistency doesn't really bode well with the idea of distancing, especially the way he presented it. I recall when he was trying to get FB/Shiro lynched and he quoted a bunch of Oka stuff to point out how Oka was defending FB/Shiro but that type of spew (In Oka's perspective) does not make sense in terms of GRob/Oka/Shiro because Oka wasn't playing that type of role this game. He wasn't trying to bus anyone and instead was just adding onto the white noise when the situation called for it, and the quotes GRob quoted about Oka talking about FB/Shiro just read like a scum who's trying to pretend to be interested about something. I don't really feel like the way Oka talked about FB/Shiro is telling of mates because it was so open, and I think if you're trying to implant a deepscum you do not give out that many hints. Another reason I feel about is because ISO'ing Oka (and Oversoul) made me conclude that GRob was likely scum as Oka

did

try to distance Oversoul once. It was a small post and maybe not something to look into, but the way he did it was telling to me.

My other reason is as follows: There's no way there wasn't at least one scum on the DeasCeph lynch. I refuse to believe it on my whole mafia career. It's not just wagonomics, it's what makes sense. GRob was not parking his vote on a mate and pretending that nobody noticed, rather he was just playing a part of what looked good and his casted doubt on Shiro/FB. There are a few other tidbits that I could put into words about why I think it's Maria but some off the top of my head would be that Dunnstral scumread her, She openly avoided the idea of committing a read on GRob/Oversoul (you can read a quote by her that says she was pretty sure OS was town), and her BittDunn pressure was a means of pushing a bad lynch and nothing else. I feel like she'd be more considerate of the idea of BittDunn being town and when I read their interactions I don't get the vibe that Maria is trying to solve Dunnstral (or was). There's nothing that suggests Maria was going hard on Dunnstral in a way that asks to be solved, rather she was just like, entertaining him. The dissent and constant derision between the two did not feel natural because when Dunnstral tried to accuse Maria she would deflect with trained responses along the lines of not being able to be read by meta, her own scumgame, etc.

I wanna say also that I think Maria is better than this as town. If Maria is town and is just being stubborn then hey I don't blame her either because I would get pretty annoyed if people kept reading me wrong. I just don't really feel the true intent is there however and Maria has mostly been playing on the idea of survival, what makes sense for her.

So, here's my solution for everyone:

1) You trust me and we lynch Maria.
2) I sink and leave the dance with Pops.

If shiro or FB is scum they deserve to win, moreover, GRob did a great job distancing them. Props to them because I am pretty fooled by both. Shiro thinks it's me which I feel is not an updated scum who is keeping up with the thread. I just got done forcing GRob into submission and pushing off a mislynch on BitDunn. I don't think Shiro gains anything saying that and I feel like FB's read on Shiro is something to rely on. The only person I'm willing to be fooled by at this rate is Maria or Pops, and I think one of them needs to go (leaning Maria) in order for town to win.

[unwnd]

VOTE: Vote: MariaR

[unwnd]

p-edit:

VOTE: MariaR

[unwnd]

I read this game as solved from an associative standpoint, and the only way I could see Pops as scum is if she actively went against BitDunn to seem townier and then voted GRob to make me never wanna scumread her lol

[unwnd]

I lean yes right now

[unwnd]

Looking into a few more things

[unwnd]

I mean, that's not an absolute confirmation I just lean there

It wouldn't be a process of 'welp I was wrong vote Shiro' I'd have to seriously consider because I'm confident that Maria is just scum

[unwnd]

Is that what you're worried about? Like, if Maria isn't scum then I'm just forced into a loss if we're both town?

[unwnd]

Oh good, me leaving the dance is gamethrowing

It's not if Maria is just the right decision

[unwnd]

Alright so if we lynch Shiro and it's wrong

What do we do?

[unwnd]

VOTE: Shiro

Well, OK

[unwnd]

Let the record state I will most likely switch back to maria if FB/Shiro/Pops give me a chance to do so

[unwnd]

VOTE: MariaR

If the pairing has to come down to us two so be it

[unwnd]

I'm cool dying knowing I'm a dunce or I was right all along. And if I wasn't and pops was just scum? That's cool too cause she dies with me

[unwnd]

Maria are you 100% certain on fb Shiro being tvt

Associative wise and the way I'm reading the game? Yes

Individual play for Shiro? No

[unwnd]

I can't tell if you scumread me or just scumread my pair lol

[unwnd]

You can't convince scum they're scum, I've said it to pops many times in my PT

Why do you think it's Pops and if it's not Pops then why is it Shiro, and don't just say 'cause its not me'

[unwnd]

I am pretty sure Shiro votes me here, as with FB and then Ank will fold and vote me

I flip green and then either the game is over and Pops pocketed me or Ank has to win the game and decide whether or not you're town

That's basically where I'm at right now

[unwnd]

I didn't really feel like they're points, they all are made under the pretense that because it's you they are invalid

I would be scumreading your slot for the same reasons I do right now if it uh, wasn't you

That is why it is purely associative, PoE, and based on how others have treated you or treated others

[unwnd]

I would be scumreading your slot for the same reasons I do right now if it uh, wasn't you

You and me both know this is an outright lie btw and you trying to make it out as not to be is pretty slimy

It's not a lie though, you are a Mafia player as is everyone else. I think you're exhibiting behavior that is scummy, everything else is just details that may pertain to you. What I mean by this is that I think a survivalist nature that you're assumed this game does not fit with a town who wants to win together. I guess what's confusing me in terms of the approach that you're town is if you say things like 'yes I am willing to maybe leave so you guys figure it out' and then switch your tone and say 'No, nevermind, I don't wanna leave and I won't let unwnd/pops be the last ones'. Why the indecision? Moreover, I don't understand why suddenly you think it's Pops unless some striking revelation came from you, because logic suggests based on what you've done you'd be on FB/Shiro right now.

[unwnd]

I would be scumreading your slot for the same reasons I do right now if it uh, wasn't you

You and me both know this is an outright lie btw and you trying to make it out as not to be is pretty slimy

It's not a lie though, you are a Mafia player as is everyone else. I think you're exhibiting behavior that is scummy, everything else is just details that may pertain to you. What I mean by this is that I think a survivalist nature that you're assumed this game does not fit with a town who wants to win together. I guess what's confusing me in terms of the approach that you're town is if you say things like 'yes I am willing to maybe leave so you guys figure it out' and then switch your tone and say 'No, nevermind, I don't wanna leave and I won't let unwnd/pops be the last ones'. Why the indecision? Moreover, I don't understand why suddenly you think it's Pops unless some striking revelation came from you, because logic suggests based on what you've done you'd be on FB/Shiro right now.

What behavior am I exhibiting that is scummy? Your case was all about stuff that is about me. The BitDunn reads how I am 'better than this' you would've never made the same case on another player because it was all about me. So stop acting like this is just you scumreading something, it's not. I understand the logical reasoning on why leaving might be a decent choice here, but then I tell myself I shouldn't leave for reasons I already pointed out. So my mind is changing all the time. Do you think I'm faking this? What benefit do I have for doing this? No one is gonna townread me for saying I might leave. I haven't 'suddenly' said it's pops? I've said I want Fire/Shiro at the end for over half the game. So this shows you're not reading the game correctly because you would know this if you read my posts.

I think that in a position where you are the last scum member you will take the path of least resistance. Shiro has already stated to wanna vote me and I'm pretty sure FB will follow. Ank has stated that she thinks Shiro is the last mate so you are banking on the idea that she'll follow through and vote Shiro.

Here's how I see things:

Scenario 1
You die and I'm wrong. That sucks.
FB has openly stated he will never suicide and throw if Shiro is scum.
I'm forced to suicide pretty much. Pops is scum Yay we did it.

Scenario 2
I die and Pops is scum. Yay we did it.

Scenario 3
I die, Pops is town too.
FB has openly stated he will never suicide if Shiro is scum.
Darn we lost.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that FB is actively throwing for Shiro if she's town. I get why Ank wants to remove this factor, but I'd rather just be on the right read instead of playing semantics.

[unwnd]

Scenario 3 is under the pretense that Shiro is scum btw

The only possible thing I can see is that you being town you realize that Shiro basically auto-wins as scum by FB's stubborness but that begs the question why you're on us right now

[unwnd]

Oh and you could definitely convince Ank to just vote Shiro. You just want me gone because you feel you can convince her lol

Like yes FB will never suicide but I'm pretty sure Majority rules, like yes it's 50/50 but pops townreads me and I'm pretty sure she'd vote with me on you

Your only move here (if scum) is to make sure I'm dead

[unwnd]

Do you think Shiro is town?

[unwnd]

Then why were you ok with Shiro/FB being gone for like half of the game lol

[unwnd]

OK so tell me if you're scum here what you'd do differently

I'm just curious

[unwnd]

I get that's WIFOM but entertain it for a sec

[unwnd]

....I answered that already in your 'case' on me.
Why are you not reading my posts? Honest question is there any reason for me to talk to you right now or are you just so lost in your tunnel/opinion on me that you're misreading/not reading my stuff? This is what? The 4th time you haven't read my stuff?

I've read it with a cursory glance. You've been doing the same thing you've done all this game which is insinuate that anyone who has a problem with you has well, a problem with (you). A lot of what you said was basically the equivalent of 'nuh-uh, you are reading me wrong' and maybe? Maybe I am but I can't be reading you wrong if you won't give out something

to be wrong about

. Does that make sense? I don't know where your blind confidence in yourself comes from in terms of things you've done this game, and this is not a measure of criticism rather I don't get how you can easily go from A → B → C plan without stopping to wonder what the ramifications of your actions lead to. This isn't meant to make you feel bad or cut you down or anything like that but I just dunno why you're quick to judge Me/Pops after being wrong on BitDunn. The most I can get from it is that you thought Bitmap was scum (I have read your ISO like three times now lol) and now it's just you fighting off criticism so you can get to endgame pairing. I don't know why I'm supposed to think this is townie. Why is self-preservation for you to this extreme extent supposed to be town? This is what I've been saying this whole time, and this isn't a read exclusive to you or how you play the game. I promise. I think scum are more likely to have this self-preservation throughout and I don't feel like you've been actively working with the town to get the right idea rather just kinda sidelining and coming in pushing your own agenda. This is fine if you're right, but the fact remains (and before you say I've been wrong I realize this) you were wrong on BitDunn yet you've already prioritized what it is you need to do.

Which apparently is just live until endgame? Why is that townie? lol

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I get from a perspective you don't think it's Shiro so it must be Pops

And maybe it is! But I will vote you based on my own assurance and if that gets me lynched and pops is scum then cool.

We can all be idiots pocketed by Shiro if that's what u want if ur town

[unwnd]

Pops/Me/Ank isn't enough to vote Shiro. You already stated you won't vote her. FB is certainly not voting her either

I don't think Shiro dies here. You have to vote me because that's all you can do, or perhaps, vote my pairing lol

Let's just all blame FB for literally saying 'im gonna throw' if Shiro pocketed his ass. Pops realizes if she's last mate she's pretty screwed honestly

[unwnd]

LOL Well my problem is that I kinda _don't_ think Shiro is scum either soooooooooooooo

I guess me being like 'i'm gonna feel fucking stupid if we're all pocketed' and maybe wanting to vote her is kinda what Ank was feeling earlier

This day is pretty much either me dying and Pops losing, or me dying and Ank having to win the game

[unwnd]

Pops already realizes this which is why she prob agrees to pile votes on her

I mean we could just leave at this rate but I wanna see what FB/Shiro do

[unwnd]

Pops tell me ITT if you want us to leave and I'll do it. I think we lose this as town

U were a great dance partner regardless of ur alignment (still leaning town tho) btw

[unwnd]

Mafia sucks

UNVOTE:

[unwnd]

You keep making really townie posts and I feel like maybe I'm just being shortsighted on stupid shit

[unwnd]

This is one of them tbh

[unwnd]

Sorta but whatever

VOTE: Shiro

[unwnd]

LOL there's no way Shiro is posting as scum right

@Mod I want to leave the dance

POPS IM SORRY BUT I THINK ANK WILL SEE THINGS RIGHT OR IF YOURE SCUM GG

[unwnd]

I told you I wasn't scum u silly goose

[unwnd]

[unvote[/unvote]

ank didnt hammer but just in case

[unwnd]

UNVOTE:

[unwnd]

I removed myself because I trust you to win the game

Or we just won? either or

[unwnd]

I do this as penance to Creature in some way, may we both be dunces in the afterlife or I shall shine your shoes for u

[unwnd]

Shiro was just really townie there and I can't see myself thinking she's scum

I can't vote a townread LOL that's against my wincon

[unwnd]

And if she is good job I guess?

Kinda hoping the game is just over

[unwnd]

Having to decide Pops/Maria if you were town would break my fucking brain

I took the easiest way out

[unwnd]

Shiro now that you see I am town leaving the game what do you think

[unwnd]

Sometimes I don't think and just do

U should know me by now

[unwnd]

I know that I wanted to talk to you more before we did anything. Now I just hope you made the right call or we lose

Lose how? We had two choices right? Like, I was told the f4 is lylo and we're not in it.

[unwnd]

Oh thank god

Sorry Maria i'm a butt.

[unwnd]

I'm still a butt

Thank you for being townie and staving my shit push maria

Also thanks for Shiro for being REALLY OBVIOUS TOWN as well

[unwnd]

Creature

Your voice was ringing in my head when I decided to leave

I promised u. You're a beautiful soul

[unwnd]

A win is a win, I think how the pairings happened kinda blew but town couldn't compete

Even if it was fake Pops u were nice to have in the PT

[unwnd]

OK I guess I never count on Dunn to be right about you ever Maria

[unwnd]

Creature somehow ends up as the unlikely hero in every town game I've been in with him

[unwnd]

Shiro your play was really townie

I don't hate it at all tbh

During the game it'd hurt my wincon to bitch about it but it's really rude for you be playing by meta on a half-outed secret alt unwnd and I agree with Cephrir about that. If you don't want to play meta mafia make a deep identity secret alt. If you do then don't play on an alt man. It makes it more annoying to hear these stories about what you all did last Friday night.

My identity isn't amazing I promise, I am just a truant lurker and sporadic games joiner who plays too much Mafia in general. The only established Meta I had was with Creature/Maria/Dunnstral

[unwnd]

it's a little disorienting to not get scumcased an entire game and lose as mafia

Usually there is a vote and a blurb about something I did and I get to think "yeah I wish I hadn't done that, or at least that you hadn't noticed it".

Does paranoia really untownside this setup if unwnd just paranoia-left the last scum? I don't know. I know empirically scum has won this setup lots of times but I wish I could figure out more things I did wrong to learn for next time to win as scum?? I guess you'll say not bus, I'm a bit bus-heavy as a player, but I don't think I could avoid the GRob bus and idk, the Oka bus felt like the right play to me.

Your GRob vote really got me in a spin, but then people said these setups are more heavy on the bussing aspects

I thought you played great, damn fooled me

[unwnd]

I had two good solves this game and I take 0 credit on removing pops from a 'I scumread her' perspective. It was simply that everyone else was townier lol

[unwnd]

I'd dance with u again even if u were scum pops

[unwnd]

Good playerlist honestly, nobody I would be against playing with

[unwnd]

Good playerlist honestly, nobody I would be against playing with

isn't it great
knowing the identity of all the other players

I'm not anyone that is worth mentioning I promise! Just because I've lurked or played here doesn't rly mean much. I'm not part of the MS community; Why do U think otherwise

[unwnd]

you keep acting like you know everybody

Do I? I only know Creature from off-site, Maria from off-site, and Dunn from off-site

They all just happen to play here

Oh and alisae too but I could be getting confused with someone w/ a similar name

[unwnd]

Oh and alisae too but I could be getting confused with someone w/ a similar name

i assume u play on mu?

I've played there yeh but it's not my homesite

[unwnd]

Oh and alisae too but I could be getting confused with someone w/ a similar name

i assume u play on mu?

I've played there yeh but it's not my homesite

have we played on mu?

I've only played like..two mashes and an anon game so probably not unless you've played in a mash

[unwnd]

Oh and alisae too but I could be getting confused with someone w/ a similar name

i assume u play on mu?

I've played there yeh but it's not my homesite

have we played on mu?

I've only played like..two mashes and an anon game so probably not unless you've played in a mash

AndrewGreve?

LMFAO i have 0 clue who that is, we played in mu anniversary 2018(?) together

[unwnd]

Gaiden is really funny and a necessary evil