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what does 2790 even mean

I'm saying I don't understand how Dunn's 2774 comes from your 2767

Read the posts in between?

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GE, could you please report Oka's PT reads if he had any? Awkward interactions, etc?

He didn't like Bitmap latching onto Dunn, which I feel lends to my idea of Dunn pocketing bit

@Kagami I talked with Oka and he told me he didn't really agree with my take at this point so I'll just state it and then write up my read list
I feel like Dunnstral actually makes more sense as scum in the Dunn + Bitmap pairing. My logic is as follows.
Alisae is getting widely townread and the general consensus is e should pair with Dunnstral. Meanwhile Bitmap and Dunnstral have interactions that would make sense for leading up to a pairing but if that doesn't happen Bitmap is kinda up shit creek. So Dunn takes a chance that Bitmap will accept as a way to throw Alisae out of the game early as e wasn't feeling any of the other possible partners at that point. Now this doesn't guarantee Bitmap is town but it makes more sense than Dunn town and Bitmap scum to me because of how the pairing felt. Had it been the other way I'd expect to have things happen in a way to where I'm like "that was sketchy from Bitmap" but it's a deep-seated concern about the fact that pairing happened at all.
And I mentioned Oka isn't on board now but when we first talked about it he kinda agreed on some points so I feel good about it since we both saw those things initially

Kagami
Ank
Oka
MariaR
Bitmap
Cephrir
Creature
pops
Fire
Shiro
Gaiden
unwnd
DV
GRob
Dunn

These are my reads rn, the middle of the list (Cephrir to unwnd) isn't super confident but that's how I feel about them rn.
VOTE: Dunnstral

Uh, 2538 only explains how I

could

be scum and make those choices, it doesn't actually explain why you think I'm scum in the first place, or why that is now your strongest read

The core of it is what Oka and Ank both suggested (Alisae was a better wallflower for scum than Bitmap) which leads into the thing I initially found scummy, which was you asking out Bitmap when you did. As for being the strongest read, honestly my theory equally implicates GRob which is why he's at second highest scumread, I just put you at the bottom because I'm voting you and your actions drove the thinking I'm going with.
And since this is on my mind why is your TR on me "so-so"?

technically it's possible that a scum!dunn picked bitmap to maintain the status quo of general reads instead of having bitmap flip town and forcing a bunch of people to rethink their reads

This was what Oka proposed that really made me confident in this btw

I'm thinking these mentions of Oka point to our pairing being town

i don't think scum!dunny pairs with bitmap over alisae. Is that a good point towards town!dunny?

@gamma did u read my point about how dun plays scum and how he isn't playing like that?

I personally agree with your analysis of Dunn's scum play but don't see how this isn't it

I didn't see this while you were alive - you are delusional if you thought I was playing back and trying to avoid notice in this game

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I think Dunn just derped and took a scum partner over two significantly more town ones

yikes

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@Mariar: I don't know if his scum read on you was from his annoyance of you or an actual scum read since I never played with either of you before.

Dunn doesn't scumread me because he can't read me right. Ever since I tricked him hard as scum before his rep of reading me went down so he doesn't like to commit a townread on me anymore.

Stop trying to make this personal

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And I was scumreading Dunn before he paired up with you. It's called changing stances.

I was townreading you in post 500. There's your answer.

Changing stances indeed

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VOTE: Firebringer/Shiro

Pretty sure Shiro is scum

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It's certainly scummy enough to call it scummy rather than offering a free pass to be useless. Nothing good comes of crying about "easy lynches."

I'm giving the Fire-Shiro slot a chance to actually give reads before really pushing them. If they still are absolutely useless, I'll reconsider this lynch notion.

last sentence reads as a policy lynch advocation

But those three reasons are not AI. Especially because there is a pre dance with no lynch.

What does AI stand for?

alignment indicative

@unwnd the thing is I don't see many elaborations being posted on why firebringer/shiro is scum other than pairing so nobody is actually accountable. its just yeah scum we have to lynch

It's not bad if Fire can read Shiro no? or work well with her and since they've seemed to have a long history with each other then its probably true?

Because dominant voices seem to be consensusing around them, Kagami has given approval and Shiro hasn't really posted content in pre dance.

Is the issue of firebringer/shiro solely stemming from their pairing?

Unpopular Opinion: FB - Shiro just seems like an easy lynch for scum.

why are we scumreading shiro?

who is scum in fire/shiro?

Sorry but why are we pushing a fire/shiro lynch ?

VOTE: Firebringer

what?

u know that this isnt over right

Look at how hard oka was defending and deflecting from firebringer/shiro

And then look at how he was behind the scenes pushing my pair

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Gamma is there anything in the love pt of value you want to summarize in case FakeGod wakes up before Oka

In particular anything that would be relevant if this flips T/T

Maybe, lenme check

Look at people SRing FireShiro because we both agreed that was fk'ing weird
While I'm on that GRob voting before the flip even happens gives me bad juju

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I wish gamma had made it more clear what Oka was doing in his pt, but enouh leaked out through him to know that he was pushing my pair and defending fire's pair in there

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I don't think he panicked during pre-dance

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When did he panic?

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Dunnmap: I know you're saying Oka had bad Bitmap associatives but Firebringer associatives were way worse.

Oka's associations with Bitmap aren't bad though

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Is the issue of firebringer/shiro solely stemming from their pairing?

And their post quality. Like Fire said Shiro was scummy but still wanted to dance with Shiro? That's really bad.

I think this post points away from Shiro/Bitmap being aligned

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when he realized that he either paired with you or with nobody

Also I'm not sure when you are referring to

Or rather what was his panic? What was he doing

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I disagree that they were trying to pair with you bsaed on 1015

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maybe i should pair up with lupin's replacement and we can read the game together lul

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...?

The mentions almost entirely stop after 1014

I called him scum in 1015

He reached out to you to save him in 1032

OK

I meant based on 1014 it looked like he wanted to pair with me

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I don't understand that conclusion dunn

I don't understand why you think he wanted to pair with you

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Fine with me

I'm mostly wanting to sort deas once and for all mainly, if he's town sand can really show it, all the better

If you’re town and you know it, clap your hands.

clap clap

If you’re town and you know it clap you’re hands.

clap clap

If you’re town and you know it then you really ought to show it.

If you’re town and you know it clap your hands.

clap clap

Can you explain to me why your read on bitmap changed?

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I think the posts a couple pages back from Bitmap that people started calling him scum for were pretty transparently town posts

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I believe that the okapoka interactions with gamma in his pt point towards bitmap being town

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It's certainly scummy enough to call it scummy rather than offering a free pass to be useless. Nothing good comes of crying about "easy lynches."

I'm giving the Fire-Shiro slot a chance to actually give reads before really pushing them. If they still are absolutely useless, I'll reconsider this lynch notion.

last sentence reads as a policy lynch advocation

But those three reasons are not AI. Especially because there is a pre dance with no lynch.

What does AI stand for?

alignment indicative

@unwnd the thing is I don't see many elaborations being posted on why firebringer/shiro is scum other than pairing so nobody is actually accountable. its just yeah scum we have to lynch

It's not bad if Fire can read Shiro no? or work well with her and since they've seemed to have a long history with each other then its probably true?

Because dominant voices seem to be consensusing around them, Kagami has given approval and Shiro hasn't really posted content in pre dance.

Is the issue of firebringer/shiro solely stemming from their pairing?

Unpopular Opinion: FB - Shiro just seems like an easy lynch for scum.

why are we scumreading shiro?

who is scum in fire/shiro?

Sorry but why are we pushing a fire/shiro lynch ?

VOTE: Firebringer

what?

u know that this isnt over right

Look at how hard oka was defending and deflecting from firebringer/shiro

And then look at how he was behind the scenes pushing my pair

Gamma is there anything in the love pt of value you want to summarize in case FakeGod wakes up before Oka

In particular anything that would be relevant if this flips T/T

Maybe, lenme check

Look at people SRing FireShiro because we both agreed that was fk'ing weird
While I'm on that GRob voting before the flip even happens gives me bad juju

What do you think of this fire?

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Not sure how heavily he was pushing it, but Gamma mentioned a few times that Oka brought up that I could be scum because I partnered with bitmap instead of aliase

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GE, could you please report Oka's PT reads if he had any? Awkward interactions, etc?

He didn't like Bitmap latching onto Dunn, which I feel lends to my idea of Dunn pocketing bit

@Kagami I talked with Oka and he told me he didn't really agree with my take at this point so I'll just state it and then write up my read list
I feel like Dunnstral actually makes more sense as scum in the Dunn + Bitmap pairing. My logic is as follows.
Alisae is getting widely townread and the general consensus is e should pair with Dunnstral. Meanwhile Bitmap and Dunnstral have interactions that would make sense for leading up to a pairing but if that doesn't happen Bitmap is kinda up shit creek. So Dunn takes a chance that Bitmap will accept as a way to throw Alisae out of the game early as e wasn't feeling any of the other possible partners at that point. Now this doesn't guarantee Bitmap is town but it makes more sense than Dunn town and Bitmap scum to me because of how the pairing felt. Had it been the other way I'd expect to have things happen in a way to where I'm like "that was sketchy from Bitmap" but it's a deep-seated concern about the fact that pairing happened at all.
And I mentioned Oka isn't on board now but when we first talked about it he kinda agreed on some points so I feel good about it since we both saw those things initially

Kagami
Ank
Oka
MariaR
Bitmap
Cephrir
Creature
pops
Fire
Shiro
Gaiden
unwnd
DV
GRob
Dunn

These are my reads rn, the middle of the list (Cephrir to unwnd) isn't super confident but that's how I feel about them rn.
VOTE: Dunnstral

Uh, 2538 only explains how I

could

be scum and make those choices, it doesn't actually explain why you think I'm scum in the first place, or why that is now your strongest read

The core of it is what Oka and Ank both suggested (Alisae was a better wallflower for scum than Bitmap) which leads into the thing I initially found scummy, which was you asking out Bitmap when you did. As for being the strongest read, honestly my theory equally implicates GRob which is why he's at second highest scumread, I just put you at the bottom because I'm voting you and your actions drove the thinking I'm going with.
And since this is on my mind why is your TR on me "so-so"?

technically it's possible that a scum!dunn picked bitmap to maintain the status quo of general reads instead of having bitmap flip town and forcing a bunch of people to rethink their reads

This was what Oka proposed that really made me confident in this btw

I'm thinking these mentions of Oka point to our pairing being town

i don't think scum!dunny pairs with bitmap over alisae. Is that a good point towards town!dunny?

@gamma did u read my point about how dun plays scum and how he isn't playing like that?

I personally agree with your analysis of Dunn's scum play but don't see how this isn't it

I didn't see this while you were alive - you are delusional if you thought I was playing back and trying to avoid notice in this game

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My point is that based on the way gamma is talking it's clear Oka was pushing me/bitmap inside of his pt

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I think pt stuff matters

i thought oka/gamma was a bad wagon too but i soft defended it, i think i should be getting more shit for that and no one seems to care?

But what does that mean for anything

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Cephrir seems towny to me, I think Deas deserves to be looked at some more later into the game, I don't think we should be setting up to lynch the pair though

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Pops and unwnd are both lean town but neither are high confidence

Goldren rob + Creature are probably a town pair.

I think my pair is town

Who does that leave?

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How can you not like the wagon if you hadn't read the game?

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Fake slip

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If you've read nothing how can you not like the wagon?

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I misread what you said

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The dead scum seemed awfully interested in defending your pairing

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I don't have unwnd/pops as super confirmed town though

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Question why do u think creature and gold are t/t I think gold has a fair chance of being scum.

Golden has felt towny and natural since they replaced in

Because if this is a TvT pairing, I'm hard pushing your pairing down

ok

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And people aren't discussing Kagami pair because it's before intermission.

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I think you're close to alone with not ever wanting to lynch my pairing fire

I am never alone when I am with u

Is that what you'll say to ank in the dead thread 5 days from now

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We will see

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so far:

dunn - town

gamma - "probably" town

unwnd - funny

He has me as town before I paired with anything

After I pair with Bitmap he starts pushing me in his pt because of Alisae dying

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I see it more likely oka was just doing the classic defend a mislynch!scum routine. Not hard to do when people’s reasons for considering us scum are vapid

If oka decided he'd dedicate his entire scum game towards making the most lynchable pair in the game look bad, the pairing that was near gauranteed to die regardless of what he did, while doing nothing to get people to not vote him, good on him.

Otherwise, it probably points to shiro being scum

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That's L-1

I'd prefer if we lynched Shiro right now instead of my pairing.

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For Kagami/Gaiden pair: They probably die during intermission. If they don't die, listen to what Kagami has to say and what she thinks. It isn't worth looking at Gaiden before intermission, which is why nobody has said anything - not because everyone thinks he is town

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If Bitmap were scum, Maria would be very likely scum as well

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like VERY likely

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Also like why wouldnt she vote me and fire in this if that was the case as well?

Scum don't have to vote you for you to get lynched, it's that simple

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Like nobodyw ould blink twice if she was voting me and fire instead of you and bit makin git more likely that I and fire die instead of bit.

She'd be setting up to win at the end

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Shiro what do you think of Deasvail's reads?

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OK guys

I've come around to Shiro being town

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Which means my pair is probably dead

If I'm right and Bitmap is town I think you guys should lynch Deasvail next - I think I was too quick to write them off as town and some of the things they say concern me (the thing about gaiden, the push on Bitmap, the coming push on Fire/Shiro)

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Bitmap had a pretty good case against Deas early on in the pt, in that his iso is weak and sheeps general consensus

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VOTE: Deasvail/Cephrir

So I'll move my vote there and won't be surprised if I end up dead soon

If you hammer before Kagami can check in she'll be *steamed* emoji in the dead thread

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Somebody has to be scum and if it's not bitmap/shiro it's probably you over GoldenRobster/Creature, is what I'm thinking

I think Creature is more likely to be scum than GoldenRob in that pairing though

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How does scum-me and town-me behave differently here?

I don't know

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1) popular consensus matters because it means that whoever bitmap pairs up with will probably end up dead

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I'll relent and say that ank-maria are probably town due to Oka's push on Ank there

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As scum here I’m not going to win by going with the flow and doing nothing to stand out. I need to do something to get townreads. I need to convince everyone that I am TOWN without looking like I’m doing it.

How would I do that?

Maybe posting a giant wall of well formated reads unprompted and calling everyone but the next 2 lynches town

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In a world where I am town, do I have reason to believe the general consensus is wrong?

You will soon

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Did anyone talk about Kagami-Gaiden in your pts

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IDK

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Why do you think it's Gr/Creature

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I'm pretty sure either I'm getting pocketed by Dunns, Ank is getting pocketed by MariaR, or pops is getting pocketed by unwnd.

My posting shouldn't look like pocketing you though

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Explain why it's GR/Creature please

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Explain why it's GR/Creature please

I can't really give a valid reason. I just tr all the other pairs more and I think that's all I need. Even if I can't see valid reasons why someone is scum if I can see valid reasons why the rest are town it fits.

I don't think that's good enough

Especially if Bitmap is town

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Is unwnd scum?

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Bitmap ankamius and mariar can't possibly be scum together so the discrepancy between how they described their pt activity is NAI

How do you feel about unwnd?

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I don't think anybody has been able to really explain why it's Grob/Creature

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I don't know what I think

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I'm thinking if bitmap is town there's gotta be scum in either that pair or unwnd/pops though, at least

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Some of unwnd's recent posting has been towny and given me pause though

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How many people who are alive are townreading Bitmap right now? We're not being lynched anymore (?) but people are acting like we are (?)

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I don't recall Kagami wanting bitmap to flip next, actually. I thought she was townreading Bitmap. and so was cephrir

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What is everyone's thought if Dunn flips scum?

Probably GRob for me

No scum lady this game?

There doesn't have to be a scum lady

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With 8 gents and 9 ladies it is statistically unlikely for all 3 mafia to be gents though

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Might be different if IC was rolled before mafia

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^What is your read on pops?

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VOTE: Bitmap/Dunn
Can make a Bitmap case if needed, but I know we're lynching them anyway so it probably isn't needed. I went radio silent in my PT because I needed to debate if I was gonna kill Ank or not after that flip. I was going to going into the night because to me it made sense on why I was having such a major blind spot this game, but I think it could just be GR/Creature with me being wrong on how to read Oversoul.

Let me town case her before you do this because I think this would be a mistake. I can't right now cause I'm phoneposting.

@bitmap: it's a tie between GR pairing and shiro pairing

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VOTE: Ankamius/MariaR

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The intermission kill was Gaiden, which did nothing to disrupt this lynch. Either a MariaR NK or an unwnd NK could have struck the base of the consensus on this lynch much harder. Kagami was partial to it too sure but SXTLHGaiden himself could get pushed and Gaiden would have hammered any other lynch (that's actually optimal play for town!gaiden even if posting just to refuse to give reads isn't. Man is this setup weird).

I said I'd push on gaiden if kagami pairing lived in my pt over the night, and they died anyway

What did other people say in their pt about gaiden over the night?

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why not just vote me and shiro if bitmap/dunn flips townvtown? I think you are contributing to apathy.

What if

I think we're both town

?

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Why did you vote our Pair dunn?

I think you may be aligned with a malevolent faction

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I've given reasons

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you're gonna go hard on who?

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Fact: both Dunn and Bit will keep refusing to leave the dance.

?

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fyi I'd have been pushed all game if I took Alisae too

Just want to clear that up

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The intermission kill was Gaiden, which did nothing to disrupt this lynch. Either a MariaR NK or an unwnd NK could have struck the base of the consensus on this lynch much harder. Kagami was partial to it too sure but SXTLHGaiden himself could get pushed and Gaiden would have hammered any other lynch (that's actually optimal play for town!gaiden even if posting just to refuse to give reads isn't. Man is this setup weird).

I said I'd push on gaiden if kagami pairing lived in my pt over the night, and they died anyway

What did other people say in their pt about gaiden over the night?

This

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fyi I'd have been pushed all game if I took Alisae too

Just want to clear that up

this is a lie.

hindsight is 20/20

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Not necessarily scum indicative

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The current town gameplan seems to be "lynch Dunnbit for reasons we finalized on page 33, then BoP MariaR to get the equity back if it flips green". And the MariaR pair is my second favorite last-pair-dancing win condition so I don't like that gameplan

And I don't think it's fire/shiro anymore, so where are the scum

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Do people not scumread bitmap anymore? Since when have people started calling me scum?

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If you're town you need to find 2 town pairs besides yourself because you can't be allowed to live past 3 pairs alive off of your play this game

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My play has been perfectly fine, your useless shade with no evidence or showing to back it up, on the other hand, won't do much. Also my play this game has got me living longer than you so... *yawn*

This is a scum post twice over

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I wonder where are the T-T pairings.

Fire/Shiro

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My play has been perfectly fine, your useless shade with no evidence or showing to back it up, on the other hand, won't do much. Also my play this game has got me living longer than you so... *yawn*

Also this is rich considering you said you'd vote me if I paired with alisae, and even if you thought bit was town

My play had nothing to do with it - you came into the game deciding to vote me

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If Maria is scum town is actively letting her control the game Dunn lol

Is this supposed to be a reason not to lynch her? It seems to indicate the opposite

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I am playing the game. If you want to advance, suggest a lynch that isn't my pairing

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Me refusing to suicide with 7 days on the clock is definitely not anti-town

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I feel like I've talked about a lot else though

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I am playing the game. If you want to advance, suggest a lynch that isn't my pairing

GRob

But why is he scum

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I already have ankamius as town though pops

Was anybody scumreading her

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you

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I'm pretty sure MariaR has no intention to leave when we flip town

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I was gonna leave

You never had any intention of leaving

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Can someone come in here and tell me with a straight face that bitmap isn't openwolfing

If he was scum he'd have left by now

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Can someone come in here and tell me with a straight face that bitmap isn't openwolfing

If he was scum he'd have left by now

Not if his partner isn't in fb/shiro

is his partner voting him?

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Nice

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