Read the posts in between?In post 2795, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm saying I don't understand how Dunn's 2774 comes from your 2767In post 2793, Ankamius wrote:what does 2790 even mean
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In post 2880, Gamma Emerald wrote:
He didn't like Bitmap latching onto Dunn, which I feel lends to my idea of Dunn pocketing bitIn post 2871, Kagami wrote:GE, could you please report Oka's PT reads if he had any? Awkward interactions, etc?In post 2669, Gamma Emerald wrote:
The core of it is what Oka and Ank both suggested (Alisae was a better wallflower for scum than Bitmap) which leads into the thing I initially found scummy, which was you asking out Bitmap when you did. As for being the strongest read, honestly my theory equally implicates GRob which is why he's at second highest scumread, I just put you at the bottom because I'm voting you and your actions drove the thinking I'm going with.In post 2663, Dunnstral wrote:In post 2538, Gamma Emerald wrote:@Kagami I talked with Oka and he told me he didn't really agree with my take at this point so I'll just state it and then write up my read list
I feel like Dunnstral actually makes more sense as scum in the Dunn + Bitmap pairing. My logic is as follows.
Alisae is getting widely townread and the general consensus is e should pair with Dunnstral. Meanwhile Bitmap and Dunnstral have interactions that would make sense for leading up to a pairing but if that doesn't happen Bitmap is kinda up shit creek. So Dunn takes a chance that Bitmap will accept as a way to throw Alisae out of the game early as e wasn't feeling any of the other possible partners at that point. Now this doesn't guarantee Bitmap is town but it makes more sense than Dunn town and Bitmap scum to me because of how the pairing felt. Had it been the other way I'd expect to have things happen in a way to where I'm like "that was sketchy from Bitmap" but it's a deep-seated concern about the fact that pairing happened at all.
And I mentioned Oka isn't on board now but when we first talked about it he kinda agreed on some points so I feel good about it since we both saw those things initially
Uh, 2538 only explains how IIn post 2555, Gamma Emerald wrote:Kagami
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pops
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Gaiden
unwnd
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Dunn
These are my reads rn, the middle of the list (Cephrir to unwnd) isn't super confident but that's how I feel about them rn.
VOTE: Dunnstralcouldbe scum and make those choices, it doesn't actually explain why you think I'm scum in the first place, or why that is now your strongest read
And since this is on my mind why is your TR on me "so-so"?In post 2548, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This was what Oka proposed that really made me confident in this btwIn post 2545, Ankamius wrote:technically it's possible that a scum!dunn picked bitmap to maintain the status quo of general reads instead of having bitmap flip town and forcing a bunch of people to rethink their reads
I'm thinking these mentions of Oka point to our pairing being town
I didn't see this while you were alive - you are delusional if you thought I was playing back and trying to avoid notice in this gameIn post 2546, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I personally agree with your analysis of Dunn's scum play but don't see how this isn't itIn post 2542, Firebringer wrote:i don't think scum!dunny pairs with bitmap over alisae. Is that a good point towards town!dunny?
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Stop trying to make this personalIn post 3236, MariaR wrote:
Dunn doesn't scumread me because he can't read me right. Ever since I tricked him hard as scum before his rep of reading me went down so he doesn't like to commit a townread on me anymore.In post 3232, Bitmap wrote:@Mariar: I don't know if his scum read on you was from his annoyance of you or an actual scum read since I never played with either of you before.-
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In post 3234, MariaR wrote:And I was scumreading Dunn before he paired up with you. It's called changing stances.
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In post 2254, OkaPoka wrote:
last sentence reads as a policy lynch advocationIn post 2084, Bitmap wrote:
I'm giving the Fire-Shiro slot a chance to actually give reads before really pushing them. If they still are absolutely useless, I'll reconsider this lynch notion.Kagami wrote:It's certainly scummy enough to call it scummy rather than offering a free pass to be useless. Nothing good comes of crying about "easy lynches."In post 2109, OkaPoka wrote:
alignment indicativeIn post 2103, Bitmap wrote:
What does AI stand for?In post 2101, OkaPoka wrote:But those three reasons are not AI. Especially because there is a pre dance with no lynch.
@unwnd the thing is I don't see many elaborations being posted on why firebringer/shiro is scum other than pairing so nobody is actually accountable. its just yeah scum we have to lynchIn post 2091, OkaPoka wrote:It's not bad if Fire can read Shiro no? or work well with her and since they've seemed to have a long history with each other then its probably true?In post 2097, OkaPoka wrote:Because dominant voices seem to be consensusing around them, Kagami has given approval and Shiro hasn't really posted content in pre dance.In post 2086, OkaPoka wrote:Is the issue of firebringer/shiro solely stemming from their pairing?In post 2072, OkaPoka wrote:In post 2070, Bitmap wrote:Unpopular Opinion: FB - Shiro just seems like an easy lynch for scum.In post 2068, OkaPoka wrote:why are we scumreading shiro?In post 2063, OkaPoka wrote:who is scum in fire/shiro?In post 2060, OkaPoka wrote:Sorry but why are we pushing a fire/shiro lynch ?Look at how hard oka was defending and deflecting from firebringer/shiro
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In post 2856, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Look at people SRing FireShiro because we both agreed that was fk'ing weirdIn post 2848, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Maybe, lenme checkIn post 2839, popsofctown wrote:Gamma is there anything in the love pt of value you want to summarize in case FakeGod wakes up before Oka
In particular anything that would be relevant if this flips T/T
While I'm on that GRob voting before the flip even happens gives me bad juju-
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Oka's associations with Bitmap aren't bad thoughIn post 3270, popsofctown wrote:Dunnmap: I know you're saying Oka had bad Bitmap associatives but Firebringer associatives were way worse.-
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I think this post points away from Shiro/Bitmap being alignedIn post 2088, Bitmap wrote:
And their post quality. Like Fire said Shiro was scummy but still wanted to dance with Shiro? That's really bad.In post 2086, OkaPoka wrote:Is the issue of firebringer/shiro solely stemming from their pairing?-
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Also I'm not sure when you are referring toIn post 3274, Ankamius wrote:when he realized that he either paired with you or with nobody
Or rather what was his panic? What was he doing-
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OKIn post 3283, Ankamius wrote:...?
The mentions almost entirely stop after 1014
I called him scum in 1015
He reached out to you to save him in 1032
I meant based on 1014 it looked like he wanted to pair with me-
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Can you explain to me why your read on bitmap changed?In post 3291, DeasVail wrote:
If you’re town and you know it, clap your hands.In post 3253, Ankamius wrote:Fine with me
I'm mostly wanting to sort deas once and for all mainly, if he's town sand can really show it, all the better
clap clap
If you’re town and you know it clap you’re hands.
clap clap
If you’re town and you know it then you really ought to show it.
If you’re town and you know it clap your hands.
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In post 3262, Dunnstral wrote:In post 2254, OkaPoka wrote:
last sentence reads as a policy lynch advocationIn post 2084, Bitmap wrote:
I'm giving the Fire-Shiro slot a chance to actually give reads before really pushing them. If they still are absolutely useless, I'll reconsider this lynch notion.Kagami wrote:It's certainly scummy enough to call it scummy rather than offering a free pass to be useless. Nothing good comes of crying about "easy lynches."In post 2109, OkaPoka wrote:
alignment indicativeIn post 2103, Bitmap wrote:
What does AI stand for?In post 2101, OkaPoka wrote:But those three reasons are not AI. Especially because there is a pre dance with no lynch.
@unwnd the thing is I don't see many elaborations being posted on why firebringer/shiro is scum other than pairing so nobody is actually accountable. its just yeah scum we have to lynchIn post 2091, OkaPoka wrote:It's not bad if Fire can read Shiro no? or work well with her and since they've seemed to have a long history with each other then its probably true?In post 2097, OkaPoka wrote:Because dominant voices seem to be consensusing around them, Kagami has given approval and Shiro hasn't really posted content in pre dance.In post 2086, OkaPoka wrote:Is the issue of firebringer/shiro solely stemming from their pairing?In post 2072, OkaPoka wrote:In post 2070, Bitmap wrote:Unpopular Opinion: FB - Shiro just seems like an easy lynch for scum.In post 2068, OkaPoka wrote:why are we scumreading shiro?In post 2063, OkaPoka wrote:who is scum in fire/shiro?In post 2060, OkaPoka wrote:Sorry but why are we pushing a fire/shiro lynch ?Look at how hard oka was defending and deflecting from firebringer/shiro
And then look at how he was behind the scenes pushing my pair
What do you think of this fire?In post 3263, Dunnstral wrote:In post 2856, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Look at people SRing FireShiro because we both agreed that was fk'ing weirdIn post 2848, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Maybe, lenme checkIn post 2839, popsofctown wrote:Gamma is there anything in the love pt of value you want to summarize in case FakeGod wakes up before Oka
In particular anything that would be relevant if this flips T/T
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In post 3254, Dunnstral wrote:In post 2880, Gamma Emerald wrote:
He didn't like Bitmap latching onto Dunn, which I feel lends to my idea of Dunn pocketing bitIn post 2871, Kagami wrote:GE, could you please report Oka's PT reads if he had any? Awkward interactions, etc?In post 2669, Gamma Emerald wrote:
The core of it is what Oka and Ank both suggested (Alisae was a better wallflower for scum than Bitmap) which leads into the thing I initially found scummy, which was you asking out Bitmap when you did. As for being the strongest read, honestly my theory equally implicates GRob which is why he's at second highest scumread, I just put you at the bottom because I'm voting you and your actions drove the thinking I'm going with.In post 2663, Dunnstral wrote:In post 2538, Gamma Emerald wrote:@Kagami I talked with Oka and he told me he didn't really agree with my take at this point so I'll just state it and then write up my read list
I feel like Dunnstral actually makes more sense as scum in the Dunn + Bitmap pairing. My logic is as follows.
Alisae is getting widely townread and the general consensus is e should pair with Dunnstral. Meanwhile Bitmap and Dunnstral have interactions that would make sense for leading up to a pairing but if that doesn't happen Bitmap is kinda up shit creek. So Dunn takes a chance that Bitmap will accept as a way to throw Alisae out of the game early as e wasn't feeling any of the other possible partners at that point. Now this doesn't guarantee Bitmap is town but it makes more sense than Dunn town and Bitmap scum to me because of how the pairing felt. Had it been the other way I'd expect to have things happen in a way to where I'm like "that was sketchy from Bitmap" but it's a deep-seated concern about the fact that pairing happened at all.
And I mentioned Oka isn't on board now but when we first talked about it he kinda agreed on some points so I feel good about it since we both saw those things initially
Uh, 2538 only explains how IIn post 2555, Gamma Emerald wrote:Kagami
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MariaR
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pops
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Gaiden
unwnd
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These are my reads rn, the middle of the list (Cephrir to unwnd) isn't super confident but that's how I feel about them rn.
VOTE: Dunnstralcouldbe scum and make those choices, it doesn't actually explain why you think I'm scum in the first place, or why that is now your strongest read
And since this is on my mind why is your TR on me "so-so"?In post 2548, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This was what Oka proposed that really made me confident in this btwIn post 2545, Ankamius wrote:technically it's possible that a scum!dunn picked bitmap to maintain the status quo of general reads instead of having bitmap flip town and forcing a bunch of people to rethink their reads
I'm thinking these mentions of Oka point to our pairing being town
I didn't see this while you were alive - you are delusional if you thought I was playing back and trying to avoid notice in this gameIn post 2546, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I personally agree with your analysis of Dunn's scum play but don't see how this isn't itIn post 2542, Firebringer wrote:i don't think scum!dunny pairs with bitmap over alisae. Is that a good point towards town!dunny?
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I think pt stuff matters
But what does that mean for anythingIn post 3319, Firebringer wrote:i thought oka/gamma was a bad wagon too but i soft defended it, i think i should be getting more shit for that and no one seems to care?-
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Golden has felt towny and natural since they replaced inIn post 3366, Shiro wrote:Question why do u think creature and gold are t/t I think gold has a fair chance of being scum.
okAnkamius wrote:Because if this is a TvT pairing, I'm hard pushing your pairing down-
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Is that what you'll say to ank in the dead thread 5 days from nowIn post 3399, Firebringer wrote:
I am never alone when I am with uIn post 3397, Ankamius wrote:I think you're close to alone with not ever wanting to lynch my pairing fire-
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He has me as town before I paired with anything
After I pair with Bitmap he starts pushing me in his pt because of Alisae dying-
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If oka decided he'd dedicate his entire scum game towards making the most lynchable pair in the game look bad, the pairing that was near gauranteed to die regardless of what he did, while doing nothing to get people to not vote him, good on him.In post 3389, Firebringer wrote:I see it more likely oka was just doing the classic defend a mislynch!scum routine. Not hard to do when people’s reasons for considering us scum are vapid
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Scum don't have to vote you for you to get lynched, it's that simpleIn post 3414, Shiro wrote:Also like why wouldnt she vote me and fire in this if that was the case as well?-
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She'd be setting up to win at the endIn post 3415, Shiro wrote:Like nobodyw ould blink twice if she was voting me and fire instead of you and bit makin git more likely that I and fire die instead of bit.-
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Maybe posting a giant wall of well formated reads unprompted and calling everyone but the next 2 lynches townIn post 3436, DeasVail wrote:As scum here I’m not going to win by going with the flow and doing nothing to stand out. I need to do something to get townreads. I need to convince everyone that I am TOWN without looking like I’m doing it.
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