Guns & Roses II [Game Over]

[chennisden]

WHAT THE FUCK

[chennisden]

Townies shouldnt lie about rose

This isnt a game of mafia

this is a game of lynch correctly within the roses

[chennisden]

Wait nooo


mafia is gonna claim gun

[chennisden]

Hey Creature

HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS GAME?

[chennisden]

VOTE: creature

every claim helps mafia.

[chennisden]

given that you KNOW my scumrange barely exists and that i become obvious very quickly, ???

[chennisden]

pine we have one outed rose

what do you think of a semi mass claim tmrw, where we start with scummy peoples and cut it off whenever we feel like we are in a good spot?

[chennisden]

hmm

yeah, that's true.

i think scum always claims gun.

[chennisden]

mebbye they try to out a rose while going down, but.

lets hope the roses play towny and not die

[chennisden]

What about we don't claim at all?

Yeah, how about we don't claim we have a gun page 1, Creature.

[chennisden]

Still

Why pick gun unless you're like, a wonderful godly vig.

[chennisden]

I think Creature is legitimately scummy

Discuss

[chennisden]

i took a rose btw

and we have this

[chennisden]

Still

Why pick gun unless you're like, a wonderful godly vig.

Nobody answer this.

It was obviously rhetorical, no?

[chennisden]

creature's apathy to roses being lynched is bad.

[chennisden]

mafia i think

ALWAYS

chooses gun in this setup, no?

[chennisden]

9 times out of 10 mafia goes for the standard wincon i think

[chennisden]

That's kinda why

[chennisden]

But I think a lot of the time Mafia

gets

the alternate wincon kinda by accident.

Also Pine is really towny rn I think

[chennisden]

Town should agree on like one or two people to shoot at the end of the day and all N1 guns should be aiming towards them.

[chennisden]

I dunno

I think your claim and tone is so bad that he can justify it

[chennisden]

My gut is also p good at finding towns

My gut's already pinging me town

[chennisden]

Town should agree on like one or two people to shoot at the end of the day and all N1 guns should be aiming towards them.

No like let the roses claim.
And we shoot in everywhere else.

If there are more roses claims that is our Poe pool for lynching

Works only if we have an N1 rose and a shit ton of N1 guns.

[chennisden]

Given that it's a bad idea to try and figure it out and even if we succeed we aren't much closer to winning, I don't think that's great.

[chennisden]

Roses can be

tested

so if mafia fakeclaims rose that's gonna suck for them.

The only exception would be like N1 rose but even then I think Mafia

ALWAYS

goes N1 gun

[chennisden]

Your massclaim idea is contingent on the game ending the day of the massclaim

[chennisden]

I'd rather not do it D1.

[chennisden]

You do realize that if ONE MAFIA gets away they can kill all the roses that day and the following, right.

Your idea isn't bad. It's just bad TODAY.

[chennisden]

Also there's a lot of reasons scum would do exactly what you're doing.

[chennisden]

Dunn ur wrong

[chennisden]

I don't think talking mechanics actually helps rn

3 roses looks bad but if we all keep a level head we can win

[chennisden]

UNVOTE: creature

[chennisden]

Less roses is better because we have more chances of shooting scum.

Scum don’t ever pick roses in this setup

Agreed

[chennisden]

9 times out of 10 mafia goes for the standard wincon i think

3 roses seems worth pursuing the alternate wincon maybe though

Given that a rose has outed...

[chennisden]

Force them to claim night and then they can be tested.

[chennisden]

Force them to claim night and then they can be tested.

Claim N1 rose or claim something like N4-N5 rose and get yourself enough time to find all real roses.

Free win.

If anyone claims anything past N3 they should be lynched.

[chennisden]

Dunn ur wrong

Hehe Dunnbo is town

Thanks, captain obvious.

[chennisden]

Creature is right in a sense. The more we discuss mechanics the more obvious roses become.

[chennisden]

Talking about mechanics this early kills scumhunting

What needs to be said (and a lot that didn't need to be said) has been said.

[chennisden]

{Pine}
{Creature Dunn}
{everyone else}
{FB}

[chennisden]

Lol

[chennisden]

Yeah I know it's a controversial read

[chennisden]

Preventing town from fucking up and playing similar to his towngame is why I have him that high.

[chennisden]

I dunno, a better question would be why I put Creature as town when I was scumreading him 2 pages ago.

[chennisden]

chenn and FB are prob VIs

says the guy who chose gun and "wifom claimed" it page 2

[chennisden]

This is funny

[chennisden]

Spoiler:

WOOOT WOOT I GOT SCUM GUYS

Town.

all roses claim day 1. if there are more than 3 claims, then we lynch in the roses to find the liar. if not more than 3. we have ICs.

Good plan

Shit plan. Town read.

all roses claim day 1. if there are more than 3 claims, then we lynch in the roses to find the liar. if not more than 3. we have ICs.

Good plan

That is an AWFUL plan.

VOTE: Firebringer

Scum read.

Hey Creature

HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS GAME?

Scum read.

I think I'm shooting chennisden tonight

I love you.

VOTE: creature

every claim helps mafia.

Scum read.

Not necessarily. N1 Rose is a solid choice.

VOTE: Firebringer
Chenn can die too

Slight town read.

The less chenn talks, the higher his win %

Yes.

Talking about mechanics this early kills scumhunting

What needs to be said (and a lot that didn't need to be said) has been said.

ur scum

{Pine}
{Creature Dunn}
{everyone else}
{FB}

Who even does a reads list this early?

I know I am playing this game right when chennisden scumreads me

I love you.

VOTE: chennisden

This is scum. Wagon up bois.

Show your work.

[chennisden]

good reads pine!

[chennisden]

firecringe might be the popular scumread

anyone have a guess who the unpopular scumread is?

[chennisden]

I think this could happen actually

I have one or two scum reads that I think are good

[chennisden]

Also don't be too quick to put Bitmap in your town bucket. He can feel

really

townie as scum.

[chennisden]

I dunno

I like the content but not the tone, you get what I'm saying?

[chennisden]

Yeah, Creature is town

[chennisden]

I dunno

I like the content but not the tone, you get what I'm saying?

Oh, I don't think you've played with me before.

This is what I'm always like.

I haven't played with you recently at least

I've read a couple of your games

The content is very good though and I think mechanical players are kinda hard to read when they talk mechanics fwiw

[chennisden]

"we shouldn't massclaim d1 lol"
"ill be useful later"
*reacts to modpost*

Actually, she said

it

will be useful later.

[chennisden]

The amount of fucks I give:

[chennisden]

It's only page 6

[chennisden]

Show your work

[chennisden]

Sorry about that red role pm thing

[chennisden]

Lol

Do you think I don't just lurk as scum and let my partners carry me

[chennisden]

I mean

This playerlist is rly unfamiliar with me

I could just not post and tell my scumbuddies who the roses are

[chennisden]

hi ali!

[chennisden]

I’m still thinking it through, but I don’t think massclaim is as bad as people are giving the idea credit for

Yeah I do agree, but not D1.

[chennisden]

given that you KNOW my scumrange barely exists and that i become obvious very quickly, ???

link?f

As scum I do half-assed and obviously fake/soulless tunnels whenever I feel cornered or want a juicy mislynch before I die

viewtopic.php?p=11011571#p11011571 (Tunneled on moongrass in gameshow)
viewtopic.php?p=11031214#p11031214 (Tunneled on NMSA in restless)

My other two scumgames are long long ago and irrelevant

[chennisden]

Hm. Interesting gamestart.
This gamestart indicates {fb} or {S_S, Pine}. I'm leaning towards the latter.

VOTE: Pine

By the way, I saw this playerlist and decided to pick a n1 rose because I was sure we'd have guns with people like Ali and Chennis who I know are complete nuts lol, and that was against my "I wanna vig some fools!" feeling, so yeah. Please try to end this in 2 days.

WHAT THE FUCK

[chennisden]

FUCK MY FUCKING ASS

[chennisden]

THERE ARE THREE ROSES AND TWO OF YOU JUST OUTED

[chennisden]

Force them to claim night and then they can be tested.

Claim N1 rose or claim something like N4-N5 rose and get yourself enough time to find all real roses.

Free win.

If anyone claims N4 or N5 rose I’m lynching them

thank u

ur right btw

[chennisden]

alisae is v towny

[chennisden]

ali

explain your pine read?

[chennisden]

lol nom

[chennisden]

wtf do we do now

[chennisden]

It is true. I am evil. Luckily alignment out of game is not indicative of alignment in game .

Also Bitmap and firebringer are scum together. Am going to farmer's market, more useful commentary later today.

Vote Firebringer

hard agree on bitmap btw

that was my unpopular SR

[chennisden]

Town should agree on like one or two people to shoot at the end of the day and all N1 guns should be aiming towards them.

No like let the roses claim.
And we shoot in everywhere else.

If there are more roses claims that is our Poe pool for lynching

With the fact most of our roses are claimed I'm minimally opposed to this

i think the last rose should out soon

[chennisden]

With 1 rose outed I think we commit to a massclaim

two roses outed :/

[chennisden]

wow

i thought nom nom nom would be the kinda guy to pick n1 gun tbh

[chennisden]

Yeah lets just commit

Not like

right now

If scum fakeclaims rose after they get wagonned we can wreck em

[chennisden]

Gamma

We're out of RVS

[chennisden]

creature

i have a read on some candidates for the third rose and i won't share it.

i prefer the third rose NOT out because we can catch fakeclaiming scum, thanks

[chennisden]

ali

explain your pine read?

Yeah lets just commit

Not like

right now

If scum fakeclaims rose after they get wagonned we can wreck em

don’t be stupid
We have 2 roses outed, lets just commit to the massclaim

Not rn

Later this game day please

[chennisden]

Ali

If I'm right that ur town pls try to find the third rose

We can catch fakeclaiming scum who tries to out the third rose, without outing the third rose.

[chennisden]

I believe FB/nom for rn actually.

[chennisden]

No thx on wagonning Croag right this moment.

[chennisden]

Only lmao hasn't posted

I'm liking Creature's pool minus Pine

[chennisden]

Is anyone opposed to a D1 gun massclaim?

[chennisden]

Only lmao hasn't posted

He's probably noob and town getting replaced

maybe by someone pretty competent that will ride the Croag, TD and Pine wagons with me

I know who lmao is

lmao is good at mafia trust me on this

[chennisden]

I think all of the claims are real Gamma

[chennisden]

Hey creature wake up

My solve is mostly the same as yours

[chennisden]

Ugh

We have 1 day to win.

[chennisden]

The last rose shouldn't out unless they're N1 btw

[chennisden]

Yo pops

We have to solve this today

At the latest tomorrow

[chennisden]

Replace Pine with Bitmap maybe

[chennisden]

Not opposed to Pine dying to

NIGHT

[chennisden]

I was in Grey Flag Nightless, so I don't think that's enough to clear Bitmap.

[chennisden]

Yo bitmap

Have you figured out the third rose yet?

This is a yes/no question

[chennisden]

Replace Pine with Bitmap maybe

ur just paranoid of that one game cause town was super bad outside of RC/Shoshin

maybe

i think you could say this as scum though

[chennisden]

Not happy with pops slot rn.

[chennisden]

We need to lynch scum today and we need to be at least 1/2 on their partners pops

Why should we stop trying to go for solves?

[chennisden]

Not happy with pops slot rn.

not happy with your slot en

I think Chenn is

embarrassing

town. And I mean my choice of words

fixed that for ya

[chennisden]

Can we lynch in {croag td} and leash N1 vigs on {whoever didn't get lynched, pops, pine} and maybe consider bitmap if we don't win by then.

[chennisden]

I really do want an N1 vig massclaim

[chennisden]

I really do want an N1 vig massclaim

Nah, I don't want scum to have a shot to win even being all caught D1.

There's an N1 rose, we're good.

[chennisden]

Obviously massclaim isn't

every

vig

If you're town and you're in the PoE pls don't claim rose/vig unless you get wagoned

If you get wagoned claim if you're N1 vig or rose or smth

[chennisden]

If you get wagoned claim if you're N1 vig or rose or smth

Don't specify rose or gun imo.

Agree

[chennisden]

Pretty Content with Chenn-Scum if FB-Town

Can u explain this

[chennisden]

TD u cant get me mislynched lalalala

[chennisden]

Bye Ali

I'm gonna go knit instead

[chennisden]

if >2 people tell me i'm wrong on bitmap i'll leave bitmap slot alone then

[chennisden]

Creature

I think TD is like more obvscum and we can't win if we don't get a scum lynch today

VOTE: td

[chennisden]

I also think Pine has been rly conservative today

[chennisden]

Rolling scum sucks

[chennisden]

I'm the one trying to buddy pine? ok

[chennisden]

Chenn, sweetie, you were buddying me not pine xD.

Also don't worry nom, the answer is manifestly obvious and exactly what I was going to say anyway. There's no information loss there.

Where?

[chennisden]

Damn Creature!! What a god

[chennisden]

@Nom, The scum-claim at the beginning makes me want them dead, nothing after that particularly changes my mind. The rose-claim is the kind of potential perverse truth-telling that strikes me as humorous and I suspect scum would be in to.

Why would a scum pick a rose in this setup?

They could do that to save themselves from a possible N1 vigging swarm.

I expected town to pick roses, so idk

[chennisden]

Bitmap is towny ya

Sorry for paranoia

[chennisden]

What are you talking about TD

[chennisden]

I'm confused

Half of the things you said make no sense

[chennisden]

Yo if you're a rose you should claim TD

That's the only way I see you as town playing the way you're playing rn + we're gonna put you to L-1 anyway so you might as well yeah

[chennisden]

What is up with chenn and why he is scum, a presentation by TD.

Post#207 Chenn is already on FB, follows on to bitmap, originally post felt a little off to me, kinda buddying. This is why he got thrown in to the scumpile if FB=Town for me.

Post#330 kinda randomly scummy, not that important to this whole thing, just found it again on the reread. "I will listen to people and have no conviction, I am town lalala."

Post#333 Reversal of the original buddying bit on my entrance, votes me. Wasn't sure what to make of this one, not super scummy though.

MY

Post#338 saying that chenn's reversal of his buddy on me confuses me and I am not quite sure what to make of it.

Post#340 Chenn responds to #338 by saying that they are not buddying

pine

, not me, PINE, who was not a point of anything I was saying and never came up. This is a clear and obvious scumslip where Chenn was worried about looking like they were buddying pine and was ready to defend themselves against that accusation. They saw what I was saying AS that accusation and came out with their defense.

Lynch it, lynch it with fire.

lynch this with water

Lynch it with wood!

[chennisden]

This is either rose or scum and if it's the former we need to know now so we can re-evaluate

[chennisden]

(Don't worry, nom.)

[chennisden]

Ya TD it is

[chennisden]

Unless TD claims a rose I don't see how we don't lynch TD

[chennisden]

Yeah Pine kinda gave his buddy away

[chennisden]

No wtf we shoot pine duh

[chennisden]

are u a rose

[chennisden]

realize u only live if ur a rose

[chennisden]

Guys we need to leash all the vigs before the hammer

[chennisden]

like I genuinely believe that {Pine, Croag, Dunnstral, TD, lmao} contains all 5 scum

3

I agree with this

[chennisden]

I decided to stop being wrong about Bitmap and call him town

[chennisden]

I agree with like most of everything Alisae has said

Maybe literally everything

[chennisden]

You can have my claim when you pry it from my cold-dead fingers chenn.

This is anti town lol

[chennisden]

u post exactly like me

no u

[chennisden]

good

[chennisden]

we need to have town calling the town roses town

[chennisden]

now that i read starry night, and i can discuss it, im really fine with designating bitmap to a pile called 'town' and just leaving him there

[chennisden]

Do you want to salsa

[chennisden]

Bitmap

If we've got like the rightish reads idk

[chennisden]

I have some doubts on S_S town can everyone tell me where you stand on him?

[chennisden]

Like not enough for me to care about switching the lynch onto him opposed to TD

[chennisden]

VOTE: pine

sure

[chennisden]

ty

[chennisden]

just don't let {croag lmao} get away with what they're doing lmao

[chennisden]

let the wolves watch the sheep!

[chennisden]

Hi, how can we solve this game?

[chennisden]

yes

[chennisden]

Hi lmao

Can u townspew for me if ur town

[chennisden]

https://www.rebornevo.com/index.php?/pr/index.html/

its a pokemon game but I think u don't mind that

I will check it out during this not game of mafia

[chennisden]

hey

can u pls be more towny?

cc?

[chennisden]

Its pines post on Td

[chennisden]

Hey lmao

Vote pine

[chennisden]

And if ur a N1 gun shoot TD

[chennisden]

Im not feeling croag scum tbh

Would like pines defense against this wagon

[chennisden]

Pine/TD/no clue

[chennisden]

I think TD actually has a better chance of spewing if we wagon there ya

But then again it was pine who spewed this time so im ok any way.

[chennisden]

Im not feeling croag scum tbh

?

He only has one post and one fairly scummy post

Ya but partner wise not rly

I think Pine solve probably is 0 scum but if theres 1 its obv croag

[chennisden]

SS

If all the town agree the scum are scum mebbye theres a reason

[chennisden]

There's also that everybody outside Pine/TD/Croag keeps towning up

I feel like if you're townreading every slot that's posting you're doing something wrong.

TD has posted plenty lately before farting out when he realised we weren't changing our minds.

lmao isnt towny

[chennisden]

Creature convince me on dunn!town

Not necessarily. N1 Rose is a solid choice.

VOTE: Firebringer
Chenn can die too

The less chenn talks, the higher his win %

Hi fire

I don't believe you pick rose and you look scummy

This doesnt convince me

Particularly because both these reads r wrong

[chennisden]

SS

If all the town agree the scum are scum mebbye theres a reason

I don't think you'll get anywhere convincing SS to vote Pine especially under these circumstances.

SS idk has partner equity?

[chennisden]

i am here and ready to dance with a rose.

vote pine

Hes at 6 and can self hammer if u vote man

[chennisden]

Thanks dunn

[chennisden]

Eh

Lets not vote pine to l-1 without letting him claim or letting town hash out vig actions

[chennisden]

scum
{td}
{dunn pine}
{lmao}
{pops}

feel like im forgetting people on pops tier

[chennisden]

Thats not good

Pine can selfhammer

[chennisden]

We are at L-1 by my count

[chennisden]

Lmao wut

[chennisden]

Ok vig leashing that happens without claiming commences

[chennisden]

alright shoot in {dunn, TD, lmao, Croag} goodnight

Alright

players 1-4 if ur n1 shoot dunn
players 5-8 TD
players 9-11 lmao
players 12-14 croag

gnight!!

[chennisden]

Nom is kinda obv n1 rose no?

And we might not have enough n1 guns to split across more than these 4

[chennisden]

Lmao that was a rly insincere way to locktown me

[chennisden]

I recommend u just shoot in the order cus any more involved shenanigans require n1 vig to out

[chennisden]

Unless ur job is to shoot TD

We need to shoot 1 scum and not shooting that scum is bad

[chennisden]

Nom and pops is voting

[chennisden]

Actually theres only 2 potential vigs on croag ao ill change it a bit

[chennisden]

jesus i played terribad

[chennisden]

oof

[chennisden]

This was My Fat B

sorry about the play and the oopsie daisies on posting in the wrong PT.

[chennisden]

chennis, where is that well written, heartfelt apology

Insert enter copypasta

[chennisden]

I rly thought TD was scum wow

[chennisden]

Gg pops for going under radar wow

[chennisden]

Fun playing with yall

[chennisden]

shouldve played like nightless tbh

[chennisden]

Not killing me was objectively the right decision my reads were terrible even postgame

I see that you discussed killing me since some players recognize the world of difference between my town and scum game?

[chennisden]

Btw I think mechanics that I dont know how to play around well rly handicap me

[chennisden]

Not being mislynched and towntelling and getting everyone to locktown you are really valuable skills IMO

[chennisden]

gg pops the game was fun

[chennisden]

I'm good at 1
Okay at 2
Good at 3 when I'm wrong and bad when I'm right lol.

[chennisden]

Im at trust tell levels of townspewing

[chennisden]

guys, i threw the game the hardest

[chennisden]

did chennisden apologize yet? Because he should

Gdi i should

[chennisden]

im really sorry to everyone for causing this situation

it locktowned a slot and caused the need for a replacement, and it couldve been avoided with like 5 more seconds of carefulness

[chennisden]

I know right

[chennisden]

im nomnomnoming on the pop corn

[chennisden]

rope them into mafia

rope them in mafia