Pokémon Fusion U-Pick [Game Over]

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Why can't we do Easy or RCE?
in fact
VOTE: RCE

Bc we’re doing flipperz mcnipperz I thought we’d established this?

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When did Kat join the game?

I hate this question

Por qué?

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@deb, mastina, SS, jibril

Your votes are needed

Why did you @ these people specifically?

I think they’re prob town and the most likely people needed to make this lynch happen

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So you don't want to lynch Flippy then Smart? Scum AKA Menalque could already be on the wagon.

What makes you think I don't want to lynch him?

My boi gonna drop that hammer huh

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@gamma I don’t really see it tbh

do they have history?

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Bw is skitt?

I defo don’t wanna lynch there without good reason then

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Yo alch/kat what’s your history guys?

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Yo book why have you been so lurky still despite school having finished like a week ago or something?

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Oh actually that’s my bad book, sorry

I misremembered you saying mid-July as middle of the week

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School finishes super late in the uk gamma

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What do you think do kat here?

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Tbh I can’t remember @flipster mcnipster

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Also didn’t matter as I was just sheeping PB on everything

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@flippy why would town you be this apathetic about getting lynched?

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Like if you are town then you’ve seemed to care so little about getting mislynched that I don’t think you’re gonna be useful in the game anyway

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Like if you are town then you’ve seemed to care so little about getting mislynched that I don’t think you’re gonna be useful in the game anyway

If I’m gonna die it is what it is :shrug:.

I’m actively trying not to die now

, but still know I’m most likely the kill. I haven’t been in a mood to really be on here but for The sake of my cute fucking Pokemon I stayed. I also knew eventually I’d get immersed into the game.

How? I genuinely don’t see it

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I mean, i think you wanna look like you’re trying not to die

But I don’t think your heart’s in it bc you’re not doing anything that would maybe get this wagon off you

Like yeah prob not but if I was town heading towards a D1 mislynch I would’ve fighting like hell to avoid it

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Let’s do this: flipperoo, if you do flip town where would you want us to lynch tomorrow?

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Like if you are town then you’ve seemed to care so little about getting mislynched that I don’t think you’re gonna be useful in the game anyway

If I’m gonna die it is what it is :shrug:. I’m actively trying not to die now,

but still know I’m most likely the kill

. I haven’t been in a mood to really be on here but for The sake of my cute fucking Pokemon I stayed. I also knew eventually I’d get immersed into the game.

What

I’m assuming i’m Still going to die today

I mean. Yeh.

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Like maybe by actually scumhunting?

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FL why were you not here early to drop that sweet sweet hammer

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Cant believe I’ve finally found other people who have watched the league tho

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Did someone get hammered?

No I needed you here to do the hammering

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P sure we’re at L-2

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So we’re gonna make a big League hydra, and sign as characters, right?

I’m so in for that you have no idea

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Is it on Flips? Probably not hammering flips.

Idk if I believe u

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So long as I’m not andre

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No, book moved off

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I thought book was on?

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>at L-1
>asked to claim
>”oh I don’t wanna reveal part of my role in case I live”

Someone hammer this

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Flips if you’re town you still deserve to be lynched for not just posting a full clear claim here

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You said you were a COP

Who did and when?

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Yo FL where can I find this Kodak moment thread

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Nvm found it I just thought we’d already finished laughing about that

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I also hard defend scum and town as town, though, so what’s everyone’s point with this me defending as scum like it’s exclusive

No idea, could u hammer tho pls?

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Pivot where?

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And yeah basically

And also hasn’t done anything to not be lynched

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Why is that not a scum trajectory?

Slash why is that not fakeable as scum?

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And if we’re gonna pivot where

I don’t think itlepip is scum

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Why is that not a scum trajectory?

Slash why is that not fakeable as scum?

Why risk losing your main defender as scum?

Bc i think that just solidly townreading you and not wavering is prob more likely to result in you getting worried than showing a thought process

Like in that newbie game my whole plan was to pocket you by scumreading you bc I thought you’d think that scum me would try to buddy you

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What are people’s feeling on Pb?

Conf town why are we questioning this?

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Yo RCE I don’t understand your thing about BW =/= skitt

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No, he said that BW “pushing town!him back to back as nontown is above [skitt’s] scumplay”

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Don’t fix what ain’t broke.

Rock Paper Scissors i won the majority of the time because right before we start playing I say, “I call Paper.” Then I pick paper, and usually people either pick Paper thinking I’m tricking them into picking Scissors, or they pick rock because they try to pull the wool over me a little bit, but i pick paper

What?

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How does this correspond to BW and if she’s skitt or not?

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What do you do if someone says “I’m gonna pick scissors”?

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“Cool, I’m gonna pick scissors?”*

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Nice, pagetop

Also still don’t see what BW =/= skitt or not has to do with WIFOM trickery

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lol

while I have you here, are you Swedish FL?

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Idk I heard skitt is like really good as scum so I don’t see why she wouldn’t do that as scum

But yeah okay, that kinda makes sense

Which makes me okay with going avengers maybe?

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I’m gonna need someone to talk me through it more tho, I still think I like one of maria/flipperz more for now

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Also RCE where are you on itlepip now?

And do you have any short scumgames I could look at?

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I meant what’s your read on itlepip rn when I said where are you at on

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I still don’t really see avengers scum tbh

Why should I be seeing that?

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Would like both of those pls @RCE

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Wait, who are your townreads? Can you do a readslist pls?

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Nah I don’t like avengers

Still think flipperz is prob best

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I'll be back home like in three hours, I'll hammer Flipper nipples

I knew you’d be here when we needed u pure boi

The hero Gotham deserves

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I mean we didn’t hammer u while u we’re gone nipz

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I want to start with a Menalque wagon today.

VOTE: Menalque

GL with that

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Still think maria is good

VOTE: maria

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I would prob also do deb or avengers today

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I think alch had a weird entrance today based on d1 but if kat was reading him as town I can wait on that

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RCE how does flip getting lynched over avengers implicate me

Or do you think I’d do that as scum in any circumstance

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I think avengers was gaining traction after flippy had a pretty townie response to his wagon and you kind of diverted away from Avengers.

I just don’t think scum!me ever makes that play tho

Like the benefits of shifting the lynch only make sense if avengers is scum, but scum!me would prob just bus there for the towncred

I’d still act a bit unsure, but ultimately I’d bus

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Can we talk about maria?

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I need to reread, but it felt like maria got pushed and flippy sprung up in response to that

So I think the flips flip implicates maria as much as avengers

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I mean I passed up the opportunity for a good bus in my only scumgame so far, so I’d almost certainly have done it here

Bc I would wanna have the option in the future of people not knowing if I bus or not as scum

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And okay but I still wanna talk about maria

VOTE: avengers

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Double huh

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FL I’m gonna sheep you but it’s bc I think you’re town this game and I trust u

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If itle ends up being scum here I need to trust my initial reads more

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If Menalque and Jibril are both scum, their plan is to Sheep me and empower me to single handedly self destruct town, saying that right now.

I’m actively pulling away from reading them this game, so other people do it haha

What if it’s just jibril scum?

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If Krazy is in the Hydra it's definitely scum.

I’m not familiar with Krazy so why is this?

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I've been slammed today with math work so I just popped in when the deadline was up to vote Menalque. I still despise his whole "pure" thing from yesterday. I'm here now, I'm fine with an Avengers thing too, only scum account slips like Nancy Drew.
VOTE: Avengers

Hmm

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Deb have you thought that if that happens as town or scum then maybe you should change your play

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BW- Nancy
Ironman - Nero
Loki - ???
Cap - ???

Wasn't there a fifth

Not who’s posted in this game

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Why has hulk not posted?

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I’m thinking from starry night maybe?

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But I’m obv not gonna be able to spot the head myself

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This is a Pokemon thread

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FL you have a podcast?

Also are you Swedish?

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Heroes are supposed to be strong.
Being unable to control your emotions is weak.

This is a really weird take that I think makes a lot of assumptions about masculinity and the way it’s tied up in hero narratives

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FL you have a podcast?

I made the intro.

Oh, sick

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I’ve decided on a new nickname for you FL

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Heroes are supposed to be strong.
Being unable to control your emotions is weak.

This is a really weird take that I think makes a lot of assumptions about masculinity and the way it’s tied up in hero narratives

It has nothing to do with gender and/or masculinity dude.
Whatever gender someone is doesn't matter. Have your emotions, just don't let them ruin heroic plans.
When heroes can't control their emotions, people die.

I’m not talking about gender tho, I’m talking specifically about the way that hero narratives get framed. As in, it’s often that the strong, masculine presence is framed as good and part of that is not feeling emotions or letting them guide decisions. And that’s an active choice that is being made in these stories, to frame those emotion based choices as negative.

Why does strength = not being guided by enotion in fiction.

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FL do you wanna hear your new nickname?

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What do you mean when you say the new Star Wars trilogy is problematic?

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FL do you wanna hear your new nickname?

Is it Star Leaf of Flavor Lord?

It’s Schrodinger’s Swede

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I’m thinking from starry night maybe?

Oh you followed that? Did you like it *winks suggestively*?

I’m still working through it

Now I’m gonna go and look at you specifically haha

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FL do you wanna hear your new nickname?

Is it Star Leaf of Flavor Lord?

It’s Schrodinger’s Swede

I’m super Californian

Well

That means your nickname is gonna confuse some people then schrodster

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Gamma what’s your read on maria as it stands?

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What do you mean when you say the new Star Wars trilogy is problematic?

I could get into this more if we really wanted to...but that’s a whole discussion.

I mean I’m just curious as to what you mean specifically by the word problematic rather than exactly what issues you have with it

I mean I am interested in those too, but more what you mean by problematic

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Yeah but you do understand why i maybe don’t totally see you as having credibility right deb?

Also I thought you said he was in California which I didn’t think necessarily meant he was californian

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VOTE: maria

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I think this is entirely NAI for both of you

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If one of you flips scum maybe slightly scum indicative for the other

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Gamma why aren’t you voting maria?

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I did I just wasn’t really convinced

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I think there’s fair odds independently that they’re both scum

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I think this is entirely NAI for both of you

Did you not see my Avengers/Deb pairing theory?

Might be NAI now, but I don’t think anything is truly ever NAI.

Okay maybe true, but it’s AI beyond what I think I’m capable of reading

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I think there’s fair odds independently that they’re both scum

Who are you talking about here?

Deb and avengers

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Yeah but you do understand why i maybe don’t totally see you as having credibility right deb?

Also I thought you said he was in California which I didn’t think necessarily meant he was californian

I always tell the truth dude

. I could tell you where he grew up.

Are you scum this game deb?

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I think i found scum, but I need to give a little time before I case

Is this aside from this or were you just setting up?

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Yeah but you do understand why i maybe don’t totally see you as having credibility right deb?

Also I thought you said he was in California which I didn’t think necessarily meant he was californian

I always tell the truth dude

. I could tell you where he grew up.

Are you scum this game deb?

I was just fucking with FL, I don't consider that lying.

I actually just wanted you on record replying to that post saying something like “no, I absolutely am not” so that if you did flip scum later I could quote it saying something along the lines of “well, this is awkward”

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Does Nancy being loki mean BW could be skitt?

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BW will you at least tell me if we’ve played before?

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I think this is just your paranoia getting to you FL

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I thought we already talked about BW being skitter

Yeah but then RCE said he thought it was v unlikely

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VOTE: Menalque

He was setting up a mislynch chain.

Look at how he was with my slot. He was town reading me to the point where I was paranoid, which i have brought up.

He then goes to say that the debate between DEB and I was NAI.

He then starts to bring up the possibility of us being SvS, the mislynch chain.

This is after his apparent unknown strong town read on my slot followed by stating he thought the discussion was NAI.

This is a strong inconsistency.

Okay so like (1) my game is not that deep

(2) I don’t see how me TRing you can’t mean that I don’t think some of your posts are NAI. Where’s the inconsistency?

(3) talking about that being possible doesn’t mean I think it’s probable, and I only brought it up at all bc you said you thought everything is somewhat AI

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Also why would I go to the effort of trying to set up a mislynch chain (fun fact: didn’t even know there was a word for that) and risk losing your TR on me when I think it’s p unlikely you’re getting lynched here and that would be a v weak reason to back off on my TR of you if we lynch deb and he flips red

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BW, I have a problem

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I think you’re skitt

I’m not sure but I think on balance of probabilities you are

Now the rest of your hydra hasn’t really convinced me it’s town and there are a few of my TRs who think your slot is scum

But I think you’re townie

But I also think you’re definitely capable of hard pocketing me as scum, and I’m worried that I think the rest of the slots are meh and you’re the only one who I’m TRing

Given that if you are who I think you are that’s definitely within what I think is the realms of your scumgame

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Avengers are hatcheting me

Hatcheting?

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I haven’t played with anyone else in your hydra so it’s p much just down to trying to read you

I was reading one of your scumgames elsewhere and it seemed different but again, I don’t really have faith in that yet

If I find out I’m right about you again I’ll prob start to trust my ability to read you a bit more

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anyway, I’m not willing to do avengers today at this point

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I haven’t played with anyone else in your hydra so it’s p much just down to trying to read you

I was reading one of your scumgames elsewhere and it seemed different but again, I don’t really have faith in that yet

If I find out I’m right about you again I’ll prob start to trust my ability to read you a bit more

ok fair enough

i do think that this is p different to most of my scumgames but i don't quite think i'm out of my scumrange yet

(aside i'm kinda proud of my banner )

Yeah I mean I think so too but idk if you being burned out could have had the same effect?

In terms of being diff to most of your scumgames

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Where are you at on maria?

@pb, avengers

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I’m going to sleep now and I doubt you’ll be up by the time I wake up but if you have any Qs for me then pop them and I’ll get to them tonorrow

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Oh also skitt if you have time thoughts on gamma would be great too

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i have a god-awful headache so i'm going to bounce now; will be around tom after work

Hope you feel better

Also, and I’ll confirm that this is genuine postgame if you’re worried, I am legit v happy you’re in this game

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Pure boi, don’t ignore me </3

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What’s your read on FL?

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half this game is shit posting and not enjoyable.

You’re wrong.

qft

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@RCE why are you calling book conf!town?

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Why has hulk not posted?

What if.
Hulk is Creature.
And the reason for not posting is it's a scum hydra.

Spicy take

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QFT = quoted for truth @deb

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Mastina I think I broadly agree with what you just wrote apart from I still don’t really think avengers is scum/want to lynch there today

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Mastina do you really think skitt’s posts were scummy?

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Yes @deb

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Mastina do you really think skitt’s posts were scummy?

Yes.

Why?

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Like I don’t consider myself great at reading skitt and I know she’s a v strong scum player but I thought those posts were towny

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I really don't want avengers the more I'm thinking about it

but it's like 38 degrees and I don't have the energy to fight about it

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atraco es un coloquialismo en Chile, PB?

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I was busy but I’m back now what’s up

people wanna lynch avengers (bad), other people wanna lynch maria(good), other people wanna lynch me (v bad)

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I think there's a good chance that scum is between (Maria, avengers) and BW has done a good enough job that I don't want her lynched before Maria

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Um I think I watched it in English
Was that a mistake?

I always try to watch this kind of things in their original language (like Dark in german, for example); there's a little something lost in translations (and I want to be a voice actor, I kinda know what I'm talking about).

+1 watching in the original language

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atraco es un coloquialismo en Chile, PB?

Nah, in Spain. I was watching Money Heist yesterday late at night (La Casa de Papel)

Oh, makes more sense now, I was trying to figure out if there was some slang meaning there that I wasn’t getting

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I think there's a good chance that scum is between (Maria, avengers)

Why's that?

I’ll get to this but I had a headache earlier and now I’m on my phone

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okay, this is kind of long, sorry in advance

I think avengers is a mislynch at this point

I think scum is pushing it but I'm not sure where yet

I also think Maria is scum after rereading this

here goes:

Spoiler:

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Y’all in a neighborhood then?

Is anyone really town reading this slot, or ..

Why do you think that post is scummy?
FoS Oversoul

I didn't like this, felt like an attempt to pocket (esp if RF already knew that FL considers himself easy to pocket?)

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The likelihood there is 1 scum in avengers/pb/flippy/RF is a pretty good reason in rvs.

What i didn't even post

agree with whoever said it (I think chem) that this felt like scum caught for the wrong reason vibes

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We're masons with Pink Ball and RedFlavor, have a night 0 guilty on flippyNips, are millers to ground-type pokemon investigatives, and are informed the scum team doesn't include any novice night 1 loyal vigilantes.

VOTE: flips

-Iron Man

this was interesting given the way things worked out later, and does mildly scumping me due to my Maria scumread and the fact that flips was ultimately the lynch

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Yeah true, just saying being protown doesn't make you town immediately...

I don't think anyone thinks that seriously, so this felt like it was trying to look like it contributes while not saying anything

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Ok I'll wait, If the case is good I better flip scum haha

this felt scummy

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love and friendship's entrance is kind of townie, I think

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VOTE: Pink Ball

He is a slippery one folks.

I don't like this entrance very much

Why did you decide to start with voting Pink Ball?

~ Black Widow

I liked both of these posts as an entrance, and I also haven't loved alch this game

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VOTE: Pinkball

Also why are you voting Pink Ball?

~ Black Widow

I don't think pb is scum and I think that if he were it would be weird for scum!vengers to be pushing him as town from the very beginning (see IM's post where they claim masons) -- and I know this post was later called out as not being a TR but I think it would be v weird from an associative perspective

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Early town reads on Debbie D oh double g, RCE, Oversoul

I agree on DEB and Oversoul, I think

I think you can probably read RCE better than me, so what are you seeing there that's town? His entrance is pinging me

~ Black Widow

was kinda mind melding here on RCE at the time, and last time I was thinking along the same lines as skitter she was town

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VOTE: DEB

This is also a pretty gross vote

I don't entirely understand why DEB is being wagoned right now

same tbh

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UNVOTE:
Okay then

Gamma, can you walk me through the thought process that led you to vote and then unvote here?

~ Black Widow

I liked this too, gamma is I think my top possibility for scum trying to deepwolf and I think avengers!scum wouldn't call this out if he is

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To explain, I did not like the idea that DEB was counting games incorrectly and so I wanted to punish what I saw as cheap behavior. When DEB admitted it was a different metric for counting games I forgave it.

I mean, who cares what his metric is for counting his wins - what does that have to do with his play

in this game

?

Noah to turn this around to you, why do you town read Pink Ball?

I dont' have a read on him right now, I was more wondering where the votes on him sprung up from

same tbh

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I can tell you that's wrong.

You feel pretty weird this game

~ Black Widow

If you've played any games with me this is a hard scumtell.

Well I have and you seem pretty obvtown to me here. If it makes you feel any better BW usually misreads me too.

Scum.

VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

No, I'm pretty sure this is town

Doubling down, this is scummy too.

I agree with BW, both because he is being very different here than in ABoontice and other reasons I can’t discuss. @PB @FL, you can see that too right?

~LL

here Nancy and skitt are disagreeing about RCE which goes against whoever was making the "the hydra has been too cohesive for town" argument someone was making

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Actually point to something you think I should have talked about then. Sometimes I miss things and other times I don’t consider something worth my attention.

vijarada's entrance (8 and so on); deb's entrance (15); my slot's interaction with fl and deb's reaction to it; and the beginnings of the oversoul/fl thing were all things that i felt like could have been prodded at or talked about or used to begin gleaning ai things

like there were def things that could be discussed at that stage, and i feel like glossing over it to make a random vote at that point was scummy, it's something that i've seen scum do many times in the past because they aren't incentivized to get the game rolling in the same way that town is

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As I said, the vote was pure spite.
As for the PB deal, you were individually picking at multiple PB votes so it felt a lot like you town read him.

didn't (and don't) townread him, don't really have a read on him either way rn. was more wondering where the votes came from because i hadn't really seen much ai in his entrance really
and i'm not sure that that's a vote that scum makes

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You think I have scum equity but don't see anything wrong with L&F shifting away from voting me but do have an issue with Alchemist for pressing it.

i mean, you're complaining that i don't have a problem with someone switching their post 8 obvious meme vote off of you onto another meme vote in early rvs, before you made any of the posts that i dislike. i should have a problem with him changing his vote there because ... ?

it was a meme rvs vote vote, he was engaging with the thread and other players, and his tone feels townie for that stage

alch pushing l&f there for switching the vote felt to me like he was making up reasons to vote people. switching rvs votes like that isn't scummy, and i don't really get why alch thinks it is, and i don't really get why that's what he chose to engage with

the fact that vijarada's vote was switched off of you in particular had little to do with why i didn't like alch there
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If you've played any games with me this is a hard scumtell.

do tell
and why don't you like my deb read?

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If Black Widow is who I think she is, I think she's being scummy too, by the way

sure, let's talk about this

~ black widow

@ vijarada better ?

this was the first thing that pings me about skitt looking back, bc I remember seeing content like this in a scumgame of hers

didn't seem like it was advancing the game a lot but was putting content out there

doesn't override the other stuff though

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I've seen scum do this yeah, PB has as well. I don't and didn't at the time think it was all the scum but under the pretense it was a neighborhood soft the chance scum is in that grouping is higher than rand I stand by that.

i missed this the last time around but you literally said:

Lukewarm take: this is all the scum.

so like was i not supposed to assume you meant all the scum there ... ?

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Well just so you know I don’t find everything worth posting about. In fact sometimes it’s better to let interactions play out without interference, and then other times an interaction isn’t meaningful to me until one of the slots flips.

my point is not that you didn't find

everything

worth posting about, but that you didn't find

anything

worht posting about, which is not at all the same thing

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By the way, Black Widow is absolutely not who I thought she was because of her reaction to my initial scumread on her. Overall I like Avengers as a whole, so we're still going for plan A, Skellen.

oh? who did you think i was then?

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menalque what's up with your pb thing? like why are you sheeping him and talking about him like that? it feels almost like pocketing/buddying but it's like almost too extreme for that to be a thing?

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I would like someone to town case Gamma for me.

i have a gut-town read on him that i never know how to articulate
and also historically i think it's only been accurate about half the time so it's basically a wash

basically i have no idea how to read him so i usually try to find somoene i can sheep. i'm not sure offhand if i truest anybody in this pl to read him better than i can besdies for maybe like fl

what don't you like about him here?

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Feel like my vote is better used elsewhere

i mean ... the deb wagon has basically stalled for like forever and it's not going anywhere really
why is your vote on that wagon a better use than voting for, say, rf?

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Debbie doggie do, are you VT?

uh why is this a thing ?

actually reading along: @deb is it like an established thing that you claim vt as vt or ... ?

if yes, @ fl what's the point of asking him this if he'd have just claimed vt as vt here?

~ black widow

I thought the two bolded questions were towny, and I thought the thing about deb/fl/vt stuff was a towny thought process

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Give them a fair salary and a good environment

for some reason i think this is townie but i have absolutely no idea why

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I really don’t like the deb wagon, feels weird

That’s super vague but I am tired and a lil wine drunk right now so figuring out why will have to wait until prob tomorrow

yeah, agreed. it feels really ~stagnant~ in a game this size, like whoever's on it feels p content there and have no reason to change
i don't like that rce is on it

gamma saying that he thinks his vote is being utilized well where it is is actually p bad in this context, given that the wagon isn't really going anywhere rn; his vote isn't really doing anything there

also @mastina does it bother you that skellen is voting with you here or?

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VOTE: skellen
Following PB
If RF is close to lynch later in the day I'll vote there, but pressure voting there seems ineffectual imo

wait, why are you sheeping pb now?

ngl this post + the fact that you refused to vote rf when book kid asked because you feel like your vote would be better utilized elsewhere is kinda partner-y

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@ pinkball what do you think of the way menalque is interacting with your slot this game?

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RCEnigma is acting like pocketing FL isn't possible currently as they're supposedly town, and because of that it's still on the to-do list

Well RCEnigma claimed mason therefore must be town, so.

i mean like three people claimed masons with you so (although to be fair i'm pretty sure at least one of them was a meme)

I don't entirely understand why DEB is being wagoned right now

Because lynchbait can still rand scum and DEB's not in fact the newbtown you're portraying him as.

idk, i've never played with them before; i'm basing my impression of them entirely off of what i see here, which feels newbtown to me

why do you think they're scum?

He's literally the most obvtown player in this game and he just shines brilliant towniness; his posts don't seem weird to me at all.

i definitely disagree with you

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Uhmm which head is BW again

this one

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VOTE: gamma

~ black widow

thought everything bolded here was towny

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As for following PB it's p much for lolz and to show Menalque I'm okay with his thingy at this point. And I've stated my conditions for a RF vote, in the post you quoted. The reasoning I stated there for not voting him was the same one I initially used

Gamma, how are you reading me / my slot?

Also my point is that your vote

wasn't

being utilized better elsewhere. Also saying that you'll hop on if he's closer to a lynch later feels bandwagony

Aside, I don't think that Menalque and Pink Ball are scum together.

~ Black Widow

skitt did a good job reading me last game we played together. I know I'm not scum so this is a good read as we couldn't be scum together

I also feel like, as skitt mentioned later, she prob could've pushed this the other way and I don't think anyone would have been bothered/pinged by it, so the fact she didn't do that is towny

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@avengers have you literally seen a player who is as obv!town as pure boi is this game? I will follow him, and his wholesome content, until the end of time (this game)

I'm not sure I'm seeing what you're seeing here.

There were some individual posts that I thought were kinda townie but I really wouldn't say that this is the towniest or purest player I've ever seen

Like are you just saying that you like his wholesome content or that it makes him townie or

~ Black Widow

this just reminded me of how skitt was interacting with me last game with her and she was town there

not saying this is solid bc I know she's v good scum but I was right last time and I don't see why I shouldn't trust that again for now

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MariaR, why is Gamma town?

I feel like I am mostly confused by Gamma completely ignoring his burgeoning wagon.

Scum gamma isn't like this it's too confident too much just...Gamma. Gamma does certain stuff he can not fake period and this is town him.

this felt like a real cop out of a read

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Mostly waiting for people that aren't the main posters to post because all this is blurry nothingness to me

this looks like an excuse to avoid engaging with the thread

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'How dare you have a different opinion then me that must make you scum.'

Boy I knew talking to you was rather pointless but I didn't expect it to be

this

pointless.

I didn't see your question if you asked it.

feels like a way to avoid engaging with me, marginalise my reads in the later game

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I don't mind you asking me questions I just don't really enjoy how you're playing the game acting like a double voter etc. And you basically call me scum for disagreeing with your read instead of going. 'Hey Maria why do you scumread PB.'
I don't care if you have me in your Poe but I would be thankful if the shitposting was tuned down a little. You can ask me whatever you like. Yes I'm stupidly blunt, but I'm an open book.
pedit: I don't know about others but coming back to reading tones of useless shitposting and filler kinda ruins the mood of playing mafia a bit.

Maria, if you're town we can talk about it after the game but looking back on it now I think my read was good and you were trying to paint me as a bad player to avoid my read on you being taken seriously

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VOTE: Nippy
I don't have a read on this slot but it seems I'm not going to get my wish today.
Oh well.

this felt opportunistic esp with how flippy flipped

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VOTE: Easy bake

this felt weird

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Considering I'm town the flippy wagon feels way easier than it should be. It hints to Tvt

felt like this was a way to try and be safe knowing flippy was still likely and to create associatives that Maria was town after flippy flipping town

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Town town - Mastina, Book, FL, PB, Jibril
Likely town - gamma, SS, Menalque, Flippy, L&F(itlepip), kat
???? - Alchemist, chemist
Null - Deb
Likely scum - Maria, Avengers

yeah this is a scum reads list, RCE still might actually be better today

-IM

don't love IM this game, probs the main thing giving me doubts about the avengers slot, esp with Maria pushing there too

I think that Maria flipping scum increases the scum equity of avengers because they were both pushing at RCE

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If Menalque and Jibril are both scum, their plan is to Sheep me and empower me to single handedly self destruct town, saying that right now.

I’m actively pulling away from reading them this game, so other people do it haha

I don't like this post

~ Black Widow

same tbh

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I think you’re skitt

I’m not sure but I think on balance of probabilities you are

Now the rest of your hydra hasn’t really convinced me it’s town and there are a few of my TRs who think your slot is scum

But I think you’re townie

But I also think you’re definitely capable of hard pocketing me as scum, and I’m worried that I think the rest of the slots are meh and you’re the only one who I’m TRing

Given that if you are who I think you are that’s definitely within what I think is the realms of your scumgame

Eh, this is getting slightly silly at this point

Hi, *waves*

Couple of things:

1. I'm def in the realm of my scumrange still, I don't think I should be townread here yet really. Incidentally wagoning me is a really, really, really great way to get me to town it up in a way that I can't fake easily so if that's the best way to get me townread let's do it

2. I don't really know what's up with the rest of the hydra; we've all been kinda slacking (loki has been v/la sick; i've been super burnt out for two weeks that just about exactly coincided with day1 and thinking about posting stressed me out so i just, well, kinda didn't); but i'm here now.

I guess I would ask you if there's anyone in here that you think you can read better because then I'd tell you to read them instead of me if your'e paranoid of me but i guess that doesn't really work if we're nominally anon and I dont' even know if you've played with the rest of these people anyways

I don't think I owuld try to pocket you as scum, really, tbh; I think I could probably mislynch town!you; you have a tendency of being kinda scummy as town and I think as scum I'd try to keep that option open.

Idk if anyone has any questions about my play lmk, i guess

this seems likely, esp before I knew BW was skitt

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anyway, I’m not willing to do avengers today at this point

Makes sense

fl i think this is a scummy post.

discuss

I liked this

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* that no matter what alignmen they are *i'm* scummy, sorry

It’s more of a “no matter what alignment

you

are, they’re scummy” than this.

i don't get it

same tbh

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Avengers are scum, let's end them

Again, do tell

'Cause I know Nancy, period. Same reason why Alch is town in here.

ok:

a) why do you think nancy is scum?
b)

why is alch town? i'm kinda mystified by the townreads on him

same tbh
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[Menalque]

there was some other thing that pinged me about Maria's catch up but I didn't wanna make that post any longer, also some more recent stuff but I can go try find that after people engage with that fucker of a post I just made

[Menalque]

but basically, yeah, new reads:

PB
RCE
chem
mastina
avengers
deb
jib

SS
itlepip
FL
gamma
book

alch
maria

order is pretty loose here fyi

[Menalque]

@alch

I think skitt is on balance more likely town than scum

More than just more actually, but not enough for me to say much more

[Menalque]

Why is RCE so high?

I think he towned it up a lot D2, maria is pushing there and I think she’s scum, he’s a TR by my other TRs (broadly)

[Menalque]

In what sense does that not answer your question

[Menalque]

First, don’t misrep me: I never said that the avengers lynch is wrong

for sure

Second, don’t misrep my post: I wasn’t “flipping the read” I was pointing out which things were making me TR the slot and which things were giving me pause/making me less confident in that read

Third, I’m on my phone now so I’m not going back through and quoting a load not eposts when I’ve already done that, but you know all those comments where I said “this is towny” or “same tbh”? Those posts

Fourth, how have I not made it clear? When I explicitly said before the spoiler that I think avengers is a mislynch?

[Menalque]

A load of posts*

[Menalque]

Deb what did you think of my long post?

[Menalque]

Why?

[Menalque]

He didn't read it nor he will, Dustybun

That makes me sad pure boi:(

Did you read it? What did you think?

[Menalque]

I said fuck work today, I’m playing the new Fire Emblem. So you may talk to me today, and I may respond.

Are you still scum reading me FL, or did you come to your senses?

[Menalque]

Nope

[Menalque]

Fuck, every time

[Menalque]

@pure boi, why do you think deb is so irrationally angry about our story?

[Menalque]

Like are you a proponent of eugenics?

Eugenics is very much not the pure, wholesome content that I’m looking for

[Menalque]

For those who have played with deb does he use his shitposting to derail topics a lot?

[Menalque]

Neither of those things!

[Menalque]

What’s the mayflower?

For me, the mayflower is a theatre in my hometown

That’s quite pure of you to bring it up

Maybe you’re not scum for posting this non-wholesome content after all

[Menalque]

What's the school system like in the UK if you don't know what the Mayflower is?

P bad I guess

Or to do with colonialism

[Menalque]

@pure boi, why do you think deb is so irrationally angry about our story?

Is he? I think he was trying to shitpost on a whole page to get a pagetop and mock you

I mean I think it could be that or it could be that he wanted to distract away from my argument in which case the shitposting was more strategic

[Menalque]

He didn't read it nor he will, Dustybun

That makes me sad pure boi:(

Did you read it? What did you think?

I haven't yet, bad timing 'cause you're calling Avengers town and Maria scum and I came to the opposite conclusion last time I was engaged, but I'll leave it for later when I have more time.

I got a job finally

Interested to hear from you when you have time

Also: wooooooooo! Congrats!!!

[Menalque]

SS what did you think of the long post?

[Menalque]

Gamma what did you think of my long post?

[Menalque]

I wanna lynch DEB

I mean I wanna lynch maria and then for deb to get vigged during the night if she flips scum

[Menalque]

@SS why was it weak?

[Menalque]

@gamma ugh maybe

[Menalque]

Also I have form on not necessarily explaining what I’m thinking the best but still being right

So I mean maybe the way I’ve put it in the wall doesn’t sound strong but I don’t think that means I’m wrong

Something I need to work on I guess

[Menalque]

Fourth, how have I not made it clear? When I explicitly said before the spoiler that I think avengers is a mislynch?

I read that whole damn spoiler and still don’t know why you feel more strongly about them being Town than scum. You can say I’m misrepping all you want but you’re blatantly avoiding my question. You need to just be lynched today.

I mean Southampton is even a port city. The facts are out there people.
He's a witch-burning puritan. Hide your wands.
You're welcome.

I don't remember who I was voting before, if not him then,
VOTE: Menalque

I take it back. I want this lynched today instead.

VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

Weird progression

[Menalque]

By which I mean: wanna talk me through that progression alch?

[Menalque]

What did you not like about my posts? I don’t mean the ones from today btw, you’ve made that clear

What did you not like about my D1 content?

[Menalque]

@SS why was it weak?

Most of your assertions were either made without a reason or not properly connected to the alignment of the player in question.

Meaning, in most cases you didn't really show why the player is more likely to do the indicated behavior as town or as scum.

Thanks, if I do redo it as post links I’ll try to bear that in mind

[Menalque]

Tbf though, it wasn’t a case where I was trying to do that

I was more trying to explain why I’m not keen on lynching avengers

I’m realising now that due to lack of knowledge of my alignment it would seem weaker to anyone else here than it does to me

[Menalque]

I’m just not sure if I’m ready to towncase avengers yet when I’m not sure myself

[Menalque]

Also a fair point

I guess I want to know if people are jiving with my own thoughts about the slot

Also I think hearing people’s thoughts on it helps me to sort them

But yeah, I’ll work on formatting and conciseness, I can see that it’s a bit unfair asking you to spend your time on something at points unfocused/rambly

[Menalque]

Me calling you out as scum =/= me anti town

lol

[Menalque]

I don't think Menalque is

that

annoying.

Oof

[Menalque]

I don't think Menalque is that annoying.

He doesn't annoy me, I think he is creepy with this "pure" shit. I don't see how other people don't find this disturbing?

Everyone else is on board the wholesome train deb

[Menalque]

Maria seems super lacklustre in this game which is in contrast to starry night where she was a lot more active and engaged

The kind of light pushing of two slots while also being open to policy two others seems like a way to keep her lynch pool as wide as possible while still being able to justify a vote anywhere within that

[Menalque]

I mean if I have to scum case her to get this through over avengers I will but it would be a lot easier if you could just look at her content and vote there

[Menalque]

The only thing that’s giving me a tiny bit of pause is that I think it’s p obvious that RCE isn’t happening so I’m thinking scum might not push there because it’s not a viable mislynch so waste of effort and prob doesn’t get her TR? But I could also see it being wifom or something

[Menalque]

@RCE why is book town again? Like I’m not on scum!book at this point but if there is scum there I think it could be book

But FL has also dropped for me so I could see him having hopped on then hopped off

[Menalque]

I prefer hunting off wagon

Also @RCE I’m kind of playing with the idea of scum thinking that you/mas/PB can get the lynch through without them needing to get on board? Which would explain why the wagon is all town if book is town

[Menalque]

Like do you think I'm faking my annoyance with your slot and DEB mena?

idk maybe? Or I think that you could defo be exaggerating it

[Menalque]

If anything id you're both town scum me would want you guys in the game not get rid of you

Why?

Also why do you say trying to meta you doesn’t work?

[Menalque]

Did you just contradict yourself? You made a meta based argument for why you wouldn’t policy lynch as scum, then claimed meta isn’t worth using on you because you play by mood

So if you were in a certain mood, why wouldn’t you policy lynch as scum there esp as it plays against your meta?

And idk I think that’s a pretty arrogant way that’s fundamentally appealing to your meta to try and deflect a lynch

I think scum!you could be perfectly happy with deb and me dead bc (1) I don’t think we’re littering the thread too much and (2) I think scum!you could be worried that I’ll get your lynch through

[Menalque]

RCE what would get you to join me on maria?

[Menalque]

HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS GAME?

[Menalque]

book kid has requested replacement.

Ausuka replaces book kid! Please welcome her!

hi guys, I just replaced in, give me 48 hours to catch up please

Book kid replacing out is scummy

Book kid replacing out is scummy

Is this a joke or

Legit the funniest sequence of posts we’ve had all game

[Menalque]

I’m kinda drunk

Thought FL was better at reading my posts tbh

[Menalque]

If we lynch him we can get an itleflip

[Menalque]

Chem I really feel like you don’t

do

that much in games but just kind of avoid lynches by being funny

[Menalque]

FL do you wanna go read my iso, realise I’m obv town and get on a productive wagon?

[Menalque]

I mean you did case RF and you’re voting maria which is good, so maybe that was a lil unfair

[Menalque]

That would be a v useful thing, yes

[Menalque]

I assume you are now TRing me itlepip in which case you should join me on maria

[Menalque]

Increasingly starting to think maria + FL

[Menalque]

Actually wait, no, I think FL is town here

[Menalque]

prob need like 1 more hard convince for that to have the numbers

[Menalque]

I mean you could help jibril

[Menalque]

I mean, kind of