Pokémon Fusion U-Pick [Game Over]

[Avengers]

We're masons with Pink Ball and RedFlavor, have a night 0 guilty on flippyNips, are millers to ground-type pokemon investigatives, and are informed the scum team doesn't include any novice night 1 loyal vigilantes.

VOTE: flips

-Iron Man

[Avengers]

I’m a novice night 1 loyal Vigilante.

VOTE: Avengers

So you're claiming town?

@DEB, this iteration of the Avengers includes Iron Man, Captain Steve Rogers, Loki Laufeyson, Black Widow, and the Hulk.

-I am Iron Man

[Avengers]

He explained why.

Avengers’ believable claim.

Is that what he meant? Flippy hasn’t even posted so I read the post as a joke - “vote flippy because [insert generic reason here]”.

I still think the switch is scummy.

I feel like moving your vote from a vanity to somewhere it will have more impact is generally townie in RVS

-IM

[Avengers]

When I place an rvs vote it stays there until I make a serious vote or there’s a good reason to unvote.

OK but why is it scummy to move and not just a playstyle difference?

-IM

[Avengers]

Takes away what little bit of pressure exists in an rvs vote. Maybe I’m wrong but I just don’t see why he’d switch.

Yeah but it's easier to ignore a solo vanity vote than two votes, and also RCE had already seen the vote and basically didn't react so what else do you exactly want out of an RVS vote?

-IM

[Avengers]

@DEB, this iteration of the Avengers includes Iron Man, Captain Steve Rogers, Loki Laufeyson, Black Widow, and the Hulk.

-I am Iron Man

Loki is the best so I approve. @Loki: How are the kids these days? I know the loss of Jörmungandr after Ragnarok must've been hard. How are Hel and Fenrir taking it?

I confess, I haven’t seen any of the Avengers movies. I just picked Loki because he seemed to be the coolest and the arguably most memable. Sorry.:/

~Loki Laufeyson

[Avengers]

Lol
Loki isn't really an Avenger

[Avengers]

This head of the hydra is catching up now

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

love and friendship's entrance is kind of townie, I think

[Avengers]

So what's up with [hated] in the VC?

Have you ever played a game with the hated modifer before?

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

Gotta Squirtem all

So are we just gonna outright claim what we have as our role flavor? I think this could hurt town.

This kinda straddles the border between being LAMIST and newbtown. I'm not sure which it is yet

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

I’m a novice night 1 loyal Vigilante.

VOTE: Avengers

Is this a scumclaim?

Maybe newbtown?

[Avengers]

VOTE: Pink Ball

He is a slippery one folks.

I don't like this entrance very much

Why did you decide to start with voting Pink Ball?

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

VOTE: Pink Ball

He is a slippery one folks.

I don't like this entrance very much

Why did you decide to start with voting Pink Ball?

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

VOTE: Pinkball

Also why are you voting Pink Ball?

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

Early town reads on Debbie D oh double g, RCE, Oversoul

I agree on DEB and Oversoul, I think

I think you can probably read RCE better than me, so what are you seeing there that's town? His entrance is pinging me

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

VOTE: RCEnigma because anyone that posts first is obviously overeager scum

Also, although it's not listed in the OP, I am a hydra of Vijarada and McMenno, and we promise nobody else haha. And we will sign, or at least I will.

-Vijarada

VOTE: flippynips because of this totally believable claim
-V

Why are you switching up your rvs vote?

VOTE: Love and Friendship

This is also pretty bad. I think it's kinda scummy to pop into a thread when there's already content and make a non-chalant random vote when there's already things to engage with - that's why I didn't like your entrance

This post also feels like that - why are you complaining that he switched his rvs? Why is it scummy to switch an rvs vote? Why is this what you're choosing to engage with when there's already real content?

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

He explained why.

Avengers’ believable claim.

Is that what he meant? Flippy hasn’t even posted so I read the post as a joke - “vote flippy because [insert generic reason here]”.

I still think the switch is scummy.

It isn't

[Avengers]

The likelihood there is 1 scum in avengers/pb/flippy/RF is a pretty good reason in rvs.

Is this because of Iron Man's RVS vote thing? Why are you using this to make a grouping of players that there's likely to be scum in, especially when at least one hasnt' posted at this time (I don't remember whether or not flippy posted, but I'm pretty sure RF has not)?

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

I can tell you that's wrong.

You feel pretty weird this game

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

I have an ability that deals with type advantage, that’s what it can hurt, Chem.

FL, have you ever played with Chem as scum before? If yes, how did you interact with him?

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

Takes away what little bit of pressure exists in an rvs vote. Maybe I’m wrong but I just don’t see why he’d switch.

Yeah but it's easier to ignore a solo vanity vote than two votes, and also RCE had already seen the vote and basically didn't react so what else do you exactly want out of an RVS vote?

-IM

Eh fair enough.

UNVOTE:

Hmmmmm did you just

change your vote

based on

new informationn

??
if the mods weren't sods i'd be posting an incredibly large thinking emoji

Also VOTE: Dr Easy Bake he has been asking a lot of questions which are useless and create no information whatsoever, which is the sort of thing scum do to look busy. Sad!

-V

What do you think of alch?

I actually kinda think that DEB is town in a newbtown kinda way. I'm not sure that what you're voting him for is more alignment indicative than playstyle indicative

[Avengers]

he has been asking a lot of questions which are useless and create no information whatsoever, which is the sort of thing scum do to look busy.

Unfortunately, this is all he knows how to do as either alignment.

it's almost like if someone is pressured by negative incentives such as voting for their behaviour.......................they may realise changing their behaviour is a good plan if they want to play to their win condition.

-V

Are you pushing a scumread or a policy lynch?

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

VOTE: DEB

This is also a pretty gross vote

I don't entirely understand why DEB is being wagoned right now

[Avengers]

UNVOTE:
Okay then

Gamma, can you walk me through the thought process that led you to vote and then unvote here?

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

you'll see what i think of alch later on

i don't exactly thinking i was pushing a policy lynch or a lynch whatsoever. i was just saying that fatalistic "this is all he'll ever do" strikes me as bad and not good, and maybe he should do a little better.

-V

I mean it kinda looks to me like you originally voted him for 'doing something that you think scum could do', and that when it was pointed out to you that this is his playstyle, you switched to voting him as a pl - it kinda looked to me like you were looking for a reason to keep your vote on him

[Avengers]

also this is a really really really obnoxious way to catchup dude

-V

Sorry, not sure how to catch up better. If you have any other suggestions I'm all ears.

[Avengers]

Scum.

VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

No, I'm pretty sure this is town

[Avengers]

you'll see what i think of alch later on

i don't exactly thinking i was pushing a policy lynch or a lynch whatsoever. i was just saying that fatalistic "this is all he'll ever do" strikes me as bad and not good, and maybe he should do a little better.

-V

I mean it kinda looks to me like you originally voted him for 'doing something that you think scum could do', and that when it was pointed out to you that this is his playstyle, you switched to voting him as a pl - it kinda looked to me like you were looking for a reason to keep your vote on him

i mean i didn't have a better place to put it at that point

I don't like the switch in thought process that went from 'what he did is scummy' to after being told it was a playstyle thing keeping your vote on him to get him to improve his behavior

pedit wall posts get kinda hard to read but I'll see what I can do

[Avengers]

VOTE: RCEnigma because anyone that posts first is obviously overeager scum

Also, although it's not listed in the OP, I am a hydra of Vijarada and McMenno, and we promise nobody else haha. And we will sign, or at least I will.

-Vijarada

VOTE: flippynips because of this totally believable claim
-V

Why are you switching up your rvs vote?

VOTE: Love and Friendship

This is also pretty bad. I think it's kinda scummy to pop into a thread when there's already content and make a non-chalant random vote when there's already things to engage with - that's why I didn't like your entrance

This post also feels like that - why are you complaining that he switched his rvs? Why is it scummy to switch an rvs vote? Why is this what you're choosing to engage with when there's already real content?

~ Black Widow

I make an rvs vote at the start of any game. I don’t get how you think that’s scummy. What content do you think I should have engaged with?

RVS isn't inherently scummy, it's not engaging with content that already exists that's scummy. There were definitely worthwhile things in those first few pages that could have been talked about instead

It's definitely a thing that I've seen scum do, a lot - pop in, make a random vote, and ignore the already existing posts. Town wants to get the game as quickly out of RVS as possible, scum doesn't really have incentive to do that, and it often shows in their RVS posts

In that case I kinda wanna vote DEB out of spite

@Black Widow

This is kinda bad but I don't know if it's scummy

[Avengers]

I can tell you that's wrong.

You feel pretty weird this game

~ Black Widow

Do you have meta with RCE? Do you think you can accurately read him?

I was able to pick out town!him pretty easily last time, and town!him's thought process just kinda exudes townieness. I haven't really seen either yet and his posts feel weird

I don't have a big sample size though so I don't know if I can accurately read him in general. I think FL is a lot better at reading him than I am, and that RCE is a lot better at reading FL than I am too, so I'm kinda hopign the two of them can sort the other for me

[Avengers]

To explain, I did not like the idea that DEB was counting games incorrectly and so I wanted to punish what I saw as cheap behavior. When DEB admitted it was a different metric for counting games I forgave it.

I mean, who cares what his metric is for counting his wins - what does that have to do with his play

in this game

?

Noah to turn this around to you, why do you town read Pink Ball?

I dont' have a read on him right now, I was more wondering where the votes on him sprung up from

[Avengers]

Actually I gotta go, will be back tomorrow

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

The likelihood there is 1 scum in avengers/pb/flippy/RF is a pretty good reason in rvs.

Is this because of Iron Man's RVS vote thing? Why are you using this to make a grouping of players that there's likely to be scum in, especially when at least one hasnt' posted at this time (I don't remember whether or not flippy posted, but I'm pretty sure RF has not)?

~ Black Widow

Well now that I know this isn't the case. I assumed the Ironman head was sitting a neighborhood of (Avengers/RF/PB) possibly + flippy. I don't think I've ever seen an all town hood so it was a decent group to vote in whether those slots have interacted with the thread yet or not.

Thanks for explaining this RCE, I was wondering and you’d be wrong btw. No Deadlines did have an alltown hood in it.

~Loki

[Avengers]

I can tell you that's wrong.

You feel pretty weird this game

~ Black Widow

If you've played any games with me this is a hard scumtell.

Well I have and you seem pretty obvtown to me here. If it makes you feel any better BW usually misreads me too.

Scum.

VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

No, I'm pretty sure this is town

Doubling down, this is scummy too.

I agree with BW, both because he is being very different here than in ABoontice and other reasons I can’t discuss. @PB @FL, you can see that too right?

~LL

[Avengers]

And I would expect that hoods based on flavor would be independent of alignment because, you know, upick.

I can confirm, we are not in any hood here. You’re welcome.





Tony does this in pretty much every damn game.

~The one and only Loki

[Avengers]

Also RCE I can confirm you are acting a bit weirder than usual. I don't think it's alignment indicative though.

I don’t know what you guys are seeing, I always think RCE is weird but no more weird than in LNT.

~L

[Avengers]

I can tell you that's wrong.

You feel pretty weird this game

~ Black Widow

If you've played any games with me this is a hard scumtell.

Well I have and you seem pretty obvtown to me here. If it makes you feel any better BW usually misreads me too.

Scum.

VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

No, I'm pretty sure this is town

Doubling down, this is scummy too.

I agree with BW, both because he is being very different here than in ABoontice and other reasons I can’t discuss. @PB @FL, you can see that too right?

~LL

maybe yall should be sorting things out between yourselves instead of having garbage hydra dissonance and like, not telling us who yall even are?

i mean not like this hydra sorts anything out but menno is only here to shitpost like once a week lmfao.

also the clear ongoing game reference and the appeal to others about that ongoing game is not cool broheim

-V

Well what am I supposed to do when we’re online at different times? The only one I’m even able to reasonably get a hold of is Tony. All I said is that DEB’s play here is very different than ABoontice and all I added after that, was “other reasons can’t discuss”. Fyi, I actually read the ongoing games admin post and I did nothing wrong here. Check it out yourself, if you doubt this.

[Avengers]

DO THIS IN YOUR PRIVATE CHAT DUDES THIS IS INSUFFERABLE

What part of “we’re almost never online at the same time” aren’t you getting yet ffs?

[Avengers]

That misses the point, which is that saying "he's town but I can't say why" doesn't help anyone.

Fair point. Just ISO him in ABoontice then. His play in that was very different than it is here.

[Avengers]

That misses the point, which is that saying "he's town but I can't say why" doesn't help anyone.

Fair point. Just ISO him in ABoontice then. His play in that was very different than it is here.

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[Avengers]

I agree with BW, both because he is being very different here than in ABoontice and other reasons I can’t discuss. @PB @FL, you can see that too right?

~LL

We're still talking about RCE here, right? I haven't seen anything that pings me as weird or different at all. But the thing is, what's your point? What are you or BW implying by this weirdness that you see? You're saying nothing, basically. Is this weirdness good? Bad? Being weird or different in a game is equal to being scum? Let's get to the point.

Hi, no I’m referring specifically to DEB read. I agree with B W because when I ISO’d DEB in ABoontice, I think he sounded very different than in this game

~Loki

[Avengers]

Actually point to something you think I should have talked about then. Sometimes I miss things and other times I don’t consider something worth my attention.

vijarada's entrance (8 and so on); deb's entrance (15); my slot's interaction with fl and deb's reaction to it; and the beginnings of the oversoul/fl thing were all things that i felt like could have been prodded at or talked about or used to begin gleaning ai things

like there were def things that could be discussed at that stage, and i feel like glossing over it to make a random vote at that point was scummy, it's something that i've seen scum do many times in the past because they aren't incentivized to get the game rolling in the same way that town is

-

As I said, the vote was pure spite.
As for the PB deal, you were individually picking at multiple PB votes so it felt a lot like you town read him.

didn't (and don't) townread him, don't really have a read on him either way rn. was more wondering where the votes came from because i hadn't really seen much ai in his entrance really
and i'm not sure that that's a vote that scum makes

-

You think I have scum equity but don't see anything wrong with L&F shifting away from voting me but do have an issue with Alchemist for pressing it.

i mean, you're complaining that i don't have a problem with someone switching their post 8 obvious meme vote off of you onto another meme vote in early rvs, before you made any of the posts that i dislike. i should have a problem with him changing his vote there because ... ?

it was a meme rvs vote vote, he was engaging with the thread and other players, and his tone feels townie for that stage

alch pushing l&f there for switching the vote felt to me like he was making up reasons to vote people. switching rvs votes like that isn't scummy, and i don't really get why alch thinks it is, and i don't really get why that's what he chose to engage with

the fact that vijarada's vote was switched off of you in particular had little to do with why i didn't like alch there
-

If you've played any games with me this is a hard scumtell.

do tell
and why don't you like my deb read?

-

If Black Widow is who I think she is, I think she's being scummy too, by the way

sure, let's talk about this

~ black widow

@ vijarada better ?

[Avengers]

maybe yall should be sorting things out between yourselves instead of having garbage hydra dissonance and like, not telling us who yall even are?

working on it, sorry.

-

i think vijarada is p townie

-

Yeah, after 3-4 players having posted I still have no idea how to read the Avengers slot. Need to read their posts more in detail later. I recognize Black Widow though, I can relate to most of her observations, so that's a plus. Although I am still not sure about DEB being town, even although I might get around in thinking he could be.

ok, let's talk about this.
what are your reservations on deb? he feels p townie to me

What is it that makes you feel weird about RCE? Is it just coming from the entrance? This question might as well be directed at S_S.

the entrance itself was fine

pink ball vote was weird; reaction to my slot's entrance was weird (why would he think that list was all the scum? do scum usually make a meme vote listing all of their partners as their entrance? like the only time i could see scum doing that is like

maybe

as a traitor soft but even so .... do scum really do this? even his explanation later that he thought that this was a neighborhood is kinda weird; why would all scum be in a neighborhood together? like his whole thought process here doesn't make much sense to me)

i guess it was mostly that thought process that i didn't like

ugghhh i should of done what BW did on my catch up.... cos im all caught up now but have no clue what i read

flippy~...

You rolled scum again, didn't you?

do you know how to read him?

-

We're still talking about RCE here, right? I haven't seen anything that pings me as weird or different at all. But the thing is, what's your point? What are you or BW implying by this weirdness that you see? You're saying nothing, basically. Is this weirdness good? Bad? Being weird or different in a game is equal to being scum? Let's get to the point.

idk yet what it implies, that's why i'm prodding

-

Daily reminder that I do not think Skellen is scum.

i kinda have a townlean here, yeah

~ black widow

[Avengers]

menalque can you talk to me about your book kid read ?

~ black widow

[Avengers]

i mean, you're complaining that i don't have a problem with someone switching their post 8 obvious meme vote off of you onto another meme vote in early rvs, before you made any of the posts that i dislike. i should have a problem with him changing his vote there because ... ?

it was a meme rvs vote vote, he was engaging with the thread and other players, and his tone feels townie for that stage

I didn't day 1 alignment switch so....what?

????

You didnt yet do the things that i found weird so why would i expect them to keep their vote on you then ... ?

I dont get what you're trying to say.

~ bw

[Avengers]

Because that doesn't change your read. It would still be an interaction with someone you scumread. I wouldn't only become scum when you started scumreading me...

I mean, sure, it doesnt change the read but

A) it's ridiculous to expect people to scumread things that didnt happen yet. Like i'm trying to sort them based on their mind set at the time they made the post. At that point i dont think you did anything worth voting you over, so in that context, no, i dont have have a problem with the vote switch at that time given that there was no reason to vote you yet imo

B) preflips at this stage are p bad and i try not to base reads off of them

~ black widow

[Avengers]

I've seen scum do this yeah, PB has as well. I don't and didn't at the time think it was all the scum but under the pretense it was a neighborhood soft the chance scum is in that grouping is higher than rand I stand by that.

i missed this the last time around but you literally said:

Lukewarm take: this is all the scum.

so like was i not supposed to assume you meant all the scum there ... ?

-

Well just so you know I don’t find everything worth posting about. In fact sometimes it’s better to let interactions play out without interference, and then other times an interaction isn’t meaningful to me until one of the slots flips.

my point is not that you didn't find

everything

worth posting about, but that you didn't find

anything

worht posting about, which is not at all the same thing

-

By the way, Black Widow is absolutely not who I thought she was because of her reaction to my initial scumread on her. Overall I like Avengers as a whole, so we're still going for plan A, Skellen.

oh? who did you think i was then?

-

menalque what's up with your pb thing? like why are you sheeping him and talking about him like that? it feels almost like pocketing/buddying but it's like almost too extreme for that to be a thing?

-

I would like someone to town case Gamma for me.

i have a gut-town read on him that i never know how to articulate
and also historically i think it's only been accurate about half the time so it's basically a wash

basically i have no idea how to read him so i usually try to find somoene i can sheep. i'm not sure offhand if i truest anybody in this pl to read him better than i can besdies for maybe like fl

what don't you like about him here?

-

Feel like my vote is better used elsewhere

i mean ... the deb wagon has basically stalled for like forever and it's not going anywhere really
why is your vote on that wagon a better use than voting for, say, rf?

-

Debbie doggie do, are you VT?

uh why is this a thing ?

actually reading along: @deb is it like an established thing that you claim vt as vt or ... ?

if yes, @ fl what's the point of asking him this if he'd have just claimed vt as vt here?

~ black widow

[Avengers]

Give them a fair salary and a good environment

for some reason i think this is townie but i have absolutely no idea why

-

I really don’t like the deb wagon, feels weird

That’s super vague but I am tired and a lil wine drunk right now so figuring out why will have to wait until prob tomorrow

yeah, agreed. it feels really ~stagnant~ in a game this size, like whoever's on it feels p content there and have no reason to change
i don't like that rce is on it

gamma saying that he thinks his vote is being utilized well where it is is actually p bad in this context, given that the wagon isn't really going anywhere rn; his vote isn't really doing anything there

also @mastina does it bother you that skellen is voting with you here or?

-

VOTE: skellen
Following PB
If RF is close to lynch later in the day I'll vote there, but pressure voting there seems ineffectual imo

wait, why are you sheeping pb now?

ngl this post + the fact that you refused to vote rf when book kid asked because you feel like your vote would be better utilized elsewhere is kinda partner-y

-

@ pinkball what do you think of the way menalque is interacting with your slot this game?

-

RCEnigma is acting like pocketing FL isn't possible currently as they're supposedly town, and because of that it's still on the to-do list

Well RCEnigma claimed mason therefore must be town, so.

i mean like three people claimed masons with you so (although to be fair i'm pretty sure at least one of them was a meme)

I don't entirely understand why DEB is being wagoned right now

Because lynchbait can still rand scum and DEB's not in fact the newbtown you're portraying him as.

idk, i've never played with them before; i'm basing my impression of them entirely off of what i see here, which feels newbtown to me

why do you think they're scum?

He's literally the most obvtown player in this game and he just shines brilliant towniness; his posts don't seem weird to me at all.

i definitely disagree with you

-

Uhmm which head is BW again

this one

-

VOTE: gamma

~ black widow

[Avengers]

also is something_smart usually this passive? i don't have a lot of experience with him but i feel like he's been less active or involved than i'd expect

~ black widow

[Avengers]

no comment on the vote or ?

~ black widow

[Avengers]

@avengers have you literally seen a player who is as obv!town as pure boi is this game? I will follow him, and his wholesome content, until the end of time (this game)

Pink Ball is bae :3

Best mason brudda

-IM

[Avengers]

As for following PB it's p much for lolz and to show Menalque I'm okay with his thingy at this point. And I've stated my conditions for a RF vote, in the post you quoted. The reasoning I stated there for not voting him was the same one I initially used

Gamma, how are you reading me / my slot?

Also my point is that your vote

wasn't

being utilized better elsewhere. Also saying that you'll hop on if he's closer to a lynch later feels bandwagony

Aside, I don't think that Menalque and Pink Ball are scum together.

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

@avengers have you literally seen a player who is as obv!town as pure boi is this game? I will follow him, and his wholesome content, until the end of time (this game)

I'm not sure I'm seeing what you're seeing here.

There were some individual posts that I thought were kinda townie but I really wouldn't say that this is the towniest or purest player I've ever seen

Like are you just saying that you like his wholesome content or that it makes him townie or

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

It was an rvs read but ... I would still Lynch any one of these slots minus PB. That doesn't rule out PB as a deepwolf.

A few things:

- This partially fed into why your train of thought there didn't make sense to me and why it felt pretty weird to me, because alleging that an RVS entrance might contain all the scum and then going to 'oh that might be a neighborhood soft and i think there might be a scum in that group' just doesn't make much sense to me as a thought process.

- I feel like you've kinda been posting less since I've been pressuring you?

- Why do you think PB might be a deepwolf?

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

also is something_smart usually this passive? i don't have a lot of experience with him but i feel like he's been less active or involved than i'd expect

~ black widow

I have been distracted by various things in my life. My apologies. Expect an increase in engagement hopefully after the weekend.

That's ok, real life happens - I don't know you well enough to know if activity-based tells are a thing for you so that's what I wanted to know if anybody here had experience with you in that context

I just want to make sure it won't be a long-term / permanent type situation

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

like he felt here like less loose? I didn't see it here, but also considered that this might just be because it depends for him with which people he interacts.

Yeah, I sometimes have trouble putting my thoughts into words too

So that's the thing for me - he feels very like

unfiltered

- like he's just posting whatever's in his head without thinking about it too much,without worrying about how it will be perceived or about the consequences, and that feels kinda townie to me

I agree that his posts where he said that all in your opening post are scum while assuming it was a neighborhood might be weird when it seems more logical that you would assume like 1-2 scum. Personally I interpreted as an attempt to get out of rvs, even although I feel it was mostly ignored, so I can see a point in pinning down a certain group at the beginning. Also he doesn't really seem to push within this group atm. What I don't really see, what do you think would be the motivation of scum!RCE to distuingish that group of four at the beginning? (considering that he wasn't even strongly pushing there imo)

I really have no idea what his motivation there would have been, but since it didn't make sense to me I thought it was worth pushing because it doesn't feel like a

real

thought process to me even if I don't know what the motivation behind posting it was

Not necessarily, no. I was mostly teasing him and that what I already said to flippy. When he was town he was easy to read because he came from a pretty proactive mindset, which was a day and night difference to his scum game where we were in together. Hence I kind of tried to get him involved to see where the pendulum might swing this time. Unfortunately he disappeared again.

Why do you ask?

Because my interpreation of his playstyle / game from how he's been playing here is newbish town who sometimes comes off as scummy unintentionally but doesn't really either realize or care, but again, that's based on what I'm seeing here as kind of like an assessment based on what I'm seeing of his personality / posting style, so I was wondering if you had some experience that would affirm or deny this assessment

But you seem to be reading him on a different metric (i.e. how proactive he's being) than I am (i.e. how loose / natural his posting style is and how much he seems to care about he's being perceived) so yea

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

Otherwise I am kind of townreading Alchemist for #559 and #560. He felt kind of shallow and flying under the radar to me until then.

@Alchemist:
Are you still scumreading L&F?

I kinda disagree with this read and also dislike that he's been sitting on that vote for like forever

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

Avengers has been prodded.

how did this happen

Weekends happen

-IM

[Avengers]

PB how you feel about Skellen?

-IM

[Avengers]

I thought she was a little townie in 688.

-IM

[Avengers]

Oversoul slot town, like skellen town, pb mason, mastina looks more or less like town mastina but might wait a bit more there for me

Widow had friendship hydra as town but we're still talking there

Hmm, @ss why aren't you voting rn?

-IM

[Avengers]

Hi this is my first post how exciting!

- 'Murica, Fuck Yeah!

[Avengers]

Hi this is my first post how exciting!

- 'Murica, Fuck Yeah!

Language.

Sorry. That was un-captain-like of me.

- 'Murica, Hellz Yes

[Avengers]

What do I need to know this far, assuming I have read nothing?

- 'Murica, Hellz Yes

[Avengers]

Mmk so I'm getting some of the apathy now. So let's play a game. Everyone gets 2 guesses at what Pokemon I chose. Anyone guesses correct I'll reveal that half's ability.

I call it, who's that Pokemon?

This feels like it's aimed at distracting the thread from actual gameplay. RCE, I get that you may have been bored, but this psuedo-game-related distraction feels scummy to me.

That said, Medicham for sure was a pick of yours imo

- 'Murica, Hellz Yes!

[Avengers]

Wait I just read the latest VC and you are hated?
Is that the ability/a modifier because of one of your pokemon?

- 'Murica, Hellz Yes!

[Avengers]

@Cap, Medicham is not a Gen 1 Pokémon

Oh, is this only Gen 1?

I wasn't a part of the pregame or the choosing process. Honestly didn't realize that!

- 'Murica, Hellz Yes!

[Avengers]

Whatever, that doesn't change things really.

VOTE: RCEnigma

I'm guessing anything "hated" was a Team Rocket pokemon, so Arbok or Koffing are my Gen 1 guesses for the sot.
It also leans towards scum even more so yeah.

I'll read more later I suppose.

- 'Murica, Hellz Yes!

[Avengers]

I think that's already confirmed as not true since Oversoul claimed Buttervee and that it was hated because it was an abomination

I mean, I'm not reading 50 pages of game to find that, so I'll just accept that I'm likely incorrect and move on.

Buttervee actually sounds pretty cute. But w/e. What do i know.

Uh, @RCE is that the reason you are Hated as well?
If not, can you tell us why that is?

- 'Murica, Hellz Yes!

[Avengers]

Hmm okay that does seem pretty significant. Can you update me n what they meant in talking with DGB and Kuribo? The two aren't in this game and while I gather their ability did something to gain a PT with them, I don't get why or how, nor the reference to the other game it refers to.

Uh, I mean we could vote in their pool but Iunno.

Who replaced Oversoul anyway?

- 'Murica, Hellz Yes!

[Avengers]

Have you read the game?

Honestly, no.

- 'Murica, Hellz Yes!

[Avengers]

You guys post too much. I'm the one in a 5 headed hydra. How am I behind? lmao

I'll Iso Maria. Willing to go there by deadline for a lynch, but I'd rather read up on them first.

- 'Murica, Hellz Yes!

[Avengers]

Helping

I was so so so close to doing this!

Thank you for being the bastard I failed at being

- 'Murica, Hellz Yes!

[Avengers]

Nice job Gamma

You asked me something iirc. I think it was whether I'd read the game. I have not and it's too much to do in al honesty.

Do you have any points of interest I should investigate?

- 'Murica, Hellz Yes!
(Uggh, this is so much to write to sign, but I've committed ;_;)

[Avengers]

Okay I did that ISO and it took all of 2 minutes.

What a mundane slot. What even is the case here? Like I say, I'd compromise vote on it, but it's just really null.

- 'Murica, Hellz Yes!

[Avengers]

Okay I did that ISO and it took all of 2 minutes.

What a mundane slot. What even is the case here? Like I say, I'd compromise vote on it, but it's just really null.

- 'Murica, Hellz Yes!

Which slot is that?

MariaR

[Avengers]

I'm still thinking DEB is town.

EFN I kinda don't remember you being... like this even when you had a cop guilty and were being pushed in anime upick

-IM

[Avengers]

P sure we’re at L-2

Isn't it L-1? itlepip moved off and then back on and no one else moved except ausuka who wasn't on before

-IM

[Avengers]

VOTE: Flip let's just get this over

This is probably scum.

He was leading the wagon before, so you think he just wanted to be at the back rather than the front for EoD or what? Doesn't scum usually decide what position on the wagon they want to be on earlier if they plan on pushing for the flip?

-IM

[Avengers]

VOTE: flippy

this is book's last vote change so he's still on?

-IM

[Avengers]

I am Iron Man.

-IM

[Avengers]

[Avengers]

FL is very distinctly not playing like he does as town.

Y’all, it’s Day 1 in a large. How you tryna play something like that? Every game of mine’s different.

Yes, true, I should have added an "in my experience" to that, because we both know my experience with town-you is pretty limited

Oh SS you rolled town, that's nice.

-IM

[Avengers]

PB
Kat / jibril / S_S
DEB / MariaR / itlepip / Ausuka / Boon
Chemist / Mena / Alch / mastina
gamma
RCE / flip

PB looks pretty solidly town, Kat, jibril, and S_S I'm pretty good for town on based on things I saw in skellen and jibril
Solid range of townleans. I don't think boon pushes me as scum day 1, he pretty much danced around my slot in overkill 2 and EICN at least. Him shitpushing me early is like... every game I have ever played with him when town. Ausuka I think might be outside her scumrange and usually I think my earliest read of Ausuka is the right one.
Chemist/Mena/Alch/mastina null line
Gamma slight leanscum
Flip / RCE are both feeling scum to me. Flip feeding into one of Boon's shitpushes when he's under pressure feels like scum flailing. RCE didn't really have a good reaction to our pressure I think.

VOTE: Flips

-IM

[Avengers]

Town town - Mastina, Book, FL, PB, Jibril
Likely town - gamma, SS, Menalque, Flippy, L&F(itlepip), kat
???? - Alchemist, chemist
Null - Deb
Likely scum - Maria, Avengers

yeah this is a scum reads list, RCE still might actually be better today

-IM

[Avengers]

Well, i don’t really remember who all is in that hydra, or who’s who other than apparently BW is Skitter? So idk if that’s a reason to town read me.

Really? Wait what?

-IM

[Avengers]

Then push me.

Scummy

Still don't think bw is Skitter.

? Super weird post

-IM

[Avengers]

Telling you to push your scumreads is real scum motivated.

a) We were just voting you
b) Telling someone to move off the more impactful vote to the less impactful vote on day 1 is scummy
c) You shouldn't be scumreading me here

-IM

[Avengers]

I would prob also do deb or avengers today

No we aren’t lynching DEB.

So, you’re choosing amongst my slot or one of my strongest trs? Nice.

Sorry.

[Avengers]

Well that confirms that.

Yeah, so you got one right. It’s really hard to know which you’re sucking at worse in this game rn - scumhunting or alt/hydra hunting.

[Avengers]

BW- Nancy
Ironman - Nero
Loki - ???
Cap - ???

You don’t even have my character righter right. You’re even worse than I thought.

And despite STILL continuing to be sick as a dog with the flu, I am nevertheless





~Guess who, genius.

[Avengers]

Well that confirms that.

Yeah, so you got one right. It’s really hard to know which you’re sucking at worse in this game rn - scumhunting or alt/hydra hunting.

Will confirm after your green flip.

FiFY

List any other townies, you’re planning too myslynch here.

[Avengers]

Krazy wouldn't blatantly misread me as town. Also having played with a Nancy/Krazy town hydra, they aren't exactly cohesive as far as reads and all of the Avengers heads are pushing in the same places. Ya know...like scum with a plan do.

I haven’t pushed jack. I haven’t even been playing because I’ve been sick. The only thing I’ve “pushed” is the obvious that DEB town - as should be obvious to anyone who had anything to do with ABoontice. PB seems to recognize that. I have no clue wtf’s up with FL and why he’s voting us.

@RCE, why are you so hellbent on killing us?

I haven’t read hardly any of the game since I’ve been back, so despite the bad votes on us, tell me about mena, since he seems to be our counterwagon.

~Loki

[Avengers]

BW- Nancy
Ironman - Nero
Loki - ???
Cap - ???

You don’t even have my character righter right. You’re even worse than I thought.

And despite STILL continuing to be sick as a dog with the flu, I am nevertheless





~Guess who, genius.

Nancy? The lurky one? I am shocked.

I was V/LA and afk for about a week and then got/and am STILL extremely sick with the flu.

[Avengers]

@Loki - can we have a list of all the signs at least? You don’t need to say who’s playing them.

The what?

[Avengers]

I've been slammed today with math work so I just popped in when the deadline was up to vote Menalque. I still despise his whole "pure" thing from yesterday. I'm here now, I'm fine with an Avengers thing too, only scum account slips like Nancy Drew.
VOTE: Avengers

Explain this.

[Avengers]

@Loki - can we have a list of all the signs at least? You don’t need to say who’s playing them.

The what?

Like

Loki
Iron Man


Can we get all the possible ones

Oh.

Loki,
IM
CA
BW
Hulk

[Avengers]

Krazy wouldn't blatantly misread me as town. Also having played with a Nancy/Krazy town hydra, they aren't exactly cohesive as far as reads and all of the Avengers heads are pushing in the same places. Ya know...like scum with a plan do.

Good point, and Nancy has some problems with the "working as a team" thing as part of a town hydra

What do you mean?

I’m a great team player.:/

[Avengers]

I've been slammed today with math work so I just popped in when the deadline was up to vote Menalque. I still despise his whole "pure" thing from yesterday. I'm here now, I'm fine with an Avengers thing too, only scum account slips like Nancy Drew.
VOTE: Avengers

Explain this.

I have said my piece. Only scum posts on the wrong account. Speaking from the one time I did it as scum.

[Avengers]

You forgot Starlord

Who?

[Avengers]

Why has hulk not posted?

He was previously busy with another game. I fully expect him to do so, assuming we don’t get mislynched first.

[Avengers]

Why has hulk not posted?

He was previously busy with another game. I fully expect him to do so, assuming we don’t get mislynched first.

So it’s a He who has been recently playing.

Hulk’s most recent game is over, so yes.

[Avengers]

VOTE: Avengers this faced too much resistance in favor of flippy and I don't think it was a coincidence.

That kind of implicates Menalque too but I don't mind waiting on that.

Hi, talk to me

Do you find us scummy independent of wagonomics? Why is menalque implicated too?

~ BW

[Avengers]

I want to start with a Menalque wagon today.

VOTE: Menalque

FUCK YES finally.
VOTE: Menalque

I"m kinda confused by a menalque wagon

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

Don't really like any of these posts

Can go into detail on any particular one if anyone wants us to

OK sure, go into mine

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

I would prob also do deb or avengers today

Well this is interesting

Pedit could be, could be, all things are possible

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

I think Menalque is kinda townie

pedit Yep

more pedits: I don't like the menalque vote. I"m like ten pages behind so I don't know the context for 'setting up a mislynch chain' but I'm kinda townreading him here

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

Don't really like any of these posts

Can go into detail on any particular one if anyone wants us to

OK sure, go into mine

~ Black Widow

It felt oddly low-confidence given how strong the push on Alch was earlier, which was another thing we didn’t like when ISOing you

Disagree that it was low-confidence, still think that Alch is scummy, still dislike how he was sitting on that vote forever; I'd vote him

Who's 'we'? Also how are you reading Alch?

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

I think Menalque is kinda townie

pedit Yep

more pedits: I don't like the menalque vote. I"m like ten pages behind so I don't know the context for 'setting up a mislynch chain' but I'm kinda townreading him here

~ Black Widow

HARD White Knighting or blatant defense of a buddy

Uh huh

[Avengers]

I’m reading Alch as town by meta comparison to Krazy’s anime upick

I don't have any alch meta, at least as far as I can remember, but I think he's been kinda scummy in

this

game

What's different about him in comparison to there?

[Avengers]

If Menalque and Jibril are both scum, their plan is to Sheep me and empower me to single handedly self destruct town, saying that right now.

I’m actively pulling away from reading them this game, so other people do it haha

I don't like this post

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

I’m reading Alch as town by meta comparison to Krazy’s anime upick

I don't have any alch meta, at least as far as I can remember, but I think he's been kinda scummy in

this

game

What's different about him in comparison to there?

He got described as lackluster which I think was relatively accurate, he didn’t really seem like he was solving on anything more than surface level

Compare it to this game where he comes out of the gate with his scumhunting radar active, evidenced by his vote on LAF

Uh lackluster is like the exact word I'd use to describe him here, so try again. He's just floating in and out and posting inane reads and not really doing anything

His vote on LAF wasn't scumhunting, it was trying to find a place to park his vote, which I said at the time

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

BW, I have a problem

Sure, what's the problem?

[Avengers]

So you know that catchup I was meant to do?
Didn't do it. Coulda, shoulda, but didn't.
OH WELL.
I'll do it later.
For now tho:
VOTE: Avengers

Hi, let's talk about this

~ Black Widow

[Avengers]

I think you’re skitt

I’m not sure but I think on balance of probabilities you are

Now the rest of your hydra hasn’t really convinced me it’s town and there are a few of my TRs who think your slot is scum

But I think you’re townie

But I also think you’re definitely capable of hard pocketing me as scum, and I’m worried that I think the rest of the slots are meh and you’re the only one who I’m TRing

Given that if you are who I think you are that’s definitely within what I think is the realms of your scumgame

Eh, this is getting slightly silly at this point

Hi, *waves*

Couple of things:

1. I'm def in the realm of my scumrange still, I don't think I should be townread here yet really. Incidentally wagoning me is a really, really, really great way to get me to town it up in a way that I can't fake easily so if that's the best way to get me townread let's do it

2. I don't really know what's up with the rest of the hydra; we've all been kinda slacking (loki has been v/la sick; i've been super burnt out for two weeks that just about exactly coincided with day1 and thinking about posting stressed me out so i just, well, kinda didn't); but i'm here now.

I guess I would ask you if there's anyone in here that you think you can read better because then I'd tell you to read them instead of me if your'e paranoid of me but i guess that doesn't really work if we're nominally anon and I dont' even know if you've played with the rest of these people anyways

I don't think I owuld try to pocket you as scum, really, tbh; I think I could probably mislynch town!you; you have a tendency of being kinda scummy as town and I think as scum I'd try to keep that option open.

Idk if anyone has any questions about my play lmk, i guess

[Avengers]

Avengers are hatcheting me

what's hatcheting again ?

[Avengers]

So you know that catchup I was meant to do?
Didn't do it. Coulda, shoulda, but didn't.
OH WELL.
I'll do it later.
For now tho:
VOTE: Avengers

Hi, let's talk about this

~ Black Widow

It’s a big mood

yes, apparently.

Now, back to alch. Would you vote him with me?

[Avengers]

Lol I knew it.

VOTE: Avengers

*do* tell

[Avengers]

So you know that catchup I was meant to do?
Didn't do it. Coulda, shoulda, but didn't.
OH WELL.
I'll do it later.
For now tho:
VOTE: Avengers

Hi, let's talk about this

~ Black Widow

It’s a big mood

yes, apparently.

Now, back to alch. Would you vote him with me?

Maybe

I’m not that confident anywhere else but this post has my pocket radar pinging

nope, not a pocket !

trying to see if i can get someone i actually scumread wagoned

might be slightly difficult in this gamestate but i'm going to do my damndest to try

[Avengers]

I haven’t played with anyone else in your hydra so it’s p much just down to trying to read you

I was reading one of your scumgames elsewhere and it seemed different but again, I don’t really have faith in that yet

If I find out I’m right about you again I’ll prob start to trust my ability to read you a bit more

ok fair enough

i do think that this is p different to most of my scumgames but i don't quite think i'm out of my scumrange yet

(aside i'm kinda proud of my banner )

[Avengers]

anyway, I’m not willing to do avengers today at this point

Makes sense

fl i think this is a scummy post.

discuss

[Avengers]

Avengers are scum, let's end them

Again, do tell

[Avengers]

no i don't think it would have had that effect, really, it jsut meant that i didnt' really post for like a week since i never got into the game and since it was a hdyra i kinda hoped other people would pick up the slack in posting but that apparently wasn't a thing

i just kinda dropped the ball for like a week; i'm not sure if i've ever done that in a game before and i feel a bit bad to the game and to the mod and to my hydra partners

pedit she's in a fuzzy space since she's in the part of the 50 pages that i ... read in an hour last night, and i'm not super confident on my ability to read her anyways

give me a minute to iso her

[Avengers]

anyway, I’m not willing to do avengers today at this point

Makes sense

fl i think this is a scummy post.

discuss

What’s there to discuss.

That makes sense that you are saying that you think that is a scummy post.

I was saying it made sense that likely scumMenalque doesn’t want to lynch scumAvengers, and is now creating a dichotomy between the players. A paradigm shift is on the way, and we will start to have a counterwagon pretty soon, I imagine.

This is Skitter?

Yeah, you wanna know where you indirectly scum claimed?

You have been acting like you’re scum reading me, key word, acting, but the last time we played together, you specifically stated that you don’t think that I could mislynch you if I were scum.

Now, I feel that if you were town and I was scum in this gamestate, you’re mislynch, like Thanos, could easily be inevitable, but I backed away from pushing you because I don’t necessarily see you as “lockscum” by any means, and I admit, the high quantity hydras I can’t keep track of for the life of me.

But the fact that you are pushing me here in this game state contradicts your own personal opinion of how ScumMe could interact with you.

a) i think you're trying to tie me to menalque - you're setting me up to be scummy no matter their alignment. if they're town i'm white-knighting them, and if they're scum i'm defneding them. either you're setting up a no-win scenario for you; that no matter what alignment they are they're scummy

and hey! the last time i caguht you doing this you were scum

b) i'm not acting like i'm scumreading you; i *am* scumreading you; try again

c) i'm a really, *really* hard mislycnh (when i'm actie and playing) and i'd *love* to see you try. i don't know whether scum!you would inherently try to mislynch, and your 'logic' here is non-sensical

[Avengers]

* that no matter what alignmen they are *i'm* scummy, sorry

[Avengers]

Oh also skitt if you have time thoughts on gamma would be great too

i'm reading through mariar now;i think she's kinda scummy

gamma i'm kinda hit-and-miss on; i sometimes just like gut-read him and it's sometimes accurate?

i'm not great at reading him but overall this game he feels kinda scummy; his reads and votes feel kinda ephemeral and like he isn't thinking about anything he's posting, but he's just saying whatever pops into his head and is convenient for him to say at the time

[Avengers]

* that no matter what alignmen they are *i'm* scummy, sorry

It’s more of a “no matter what alignment

you

are, they’re scummy” than this.

i don't get it

[Avengers]

Avengers are scum, let's end them

Again, do tell

'Cause I know Nancy, period. Same reason why Alch is town in here.

ok:

a) why do you think nancy is scum?
b) why is alch town? i'm kinda mystified by the townreads on him

[Avengers]

i have a god-awful headache so i'm going to bounce now; will be around tom after work

[Avengers]

If Menalque and Jibril are both scum, their plan is to Sheep me and empower me to single handedly self destruct town, saying that right now.

I’m actively pulling away from reading them this game, so other people do it haha

What if it’s just jibril scum?

Shiro is in this game?

[Avengers]

BW- Nancy
Ironman - Nero
Loki - ???
Cap - ???

You don’t even have my character righter right. You’re even worse than I thought.

And despite STILL continuing to be sick as a dog with the flu, I am nevertheless





~Guess who, genius.

Nancy? The lurky one? I am shocked.

I was V/LA and afk for about a week and then got/and am STILL extremely sick with the flu.

Hope you feel better soon.

Me too, it’s been going on past two freaking weeks already. :/

[Avengers]

Flawed characters are far superior than normies like boring Superman or Arrow from Arrow (excluding the flashbacks)

There are many reasons Dark phoenix sucks.

You can listen to my podcast about that.

You know my thoughts on Superman/Arrow.
Superman is the worst comic book character in history.
I had to stop watching the Flash because of the Flash's damn emotions.
It's fucking tiring.

*Skipped through all of the superhero stuff*

[Avengers]

Heroes are supposed to be strong.
Being unable to control your emotions is weak.

This is a really weird take that I think makes a lot of assumptions about masculinity and the way it’s tied up in hero narratives

It has nothing to do with gender and/or masculinity dude.
Whatever gender someone is doesn't matter. Have your emotions, just don't let them ruin heroic plans.
When heroes can't control their emotions, people die.

Also,

Kylo Ren’s the best part about the problematic new Star Wars trilogy, and if the new one is done correctly, i have hope with JJ coming back, he’s gonna save it completely.

Side note, I think DEB might purposefully egging me on to distract from scum buddy Avengers.

I don’t have any completed games with DEB were I’m not scum, so I haven’t ever had to read him online, and while he would post like that as either alignment, idk if he actively does that, if that makes sense.


It was just a thought that came up

[Avengers]

Nothing against you just it is not a good mindset for anyone @DEB

How many goddamned posts have nothing specifically game-related in them?

My head hurts.

[Avengers]

Nothing against you just it is not a good mindset for anyone @DEB

How many goddamned posts have nothing specifically game-related in them?

My head hurts.

[Avengers]

Nothing against you just it is not a good mindset for anyone @DEB

How many goddamned posts have nothing specifically game-related in them?

My head hurts.

I obviously don’t mean you Gamma but despite my hydra character, I’d bored of reading superhero analysis.

[Avengers]

Gamma what’s your read on maria as it stands?

Scum

Maria like Sky has a specific towntell. I’ll recognize it if she does it.

[Avengers]

I think this is entirely NAI for both of you

Did you not see my Avengers/Deb pairing theory?

Might be NAI now, but I don’t think anything is truly ever NAI.

Dude, you modded ABoontice. How is it not obvious to you DEB is way different here? Bad town obviously but very different than in ABoontice. Duh!

[Avengers]

I think Menalque is kinda townie

pedit Yep

more pedits: I don't like the menalque vote. I"m like ten pages behind so I don't know the context for 'setting up a mislynch chain' but I'm kinda townreading him here

~ Black Widow

HARD White Knighting or blatant defense of a buddy

Whee! We have so many “buddies” now. I’m losing count.

[Avengers]

Lol I inhaled too much crack.

VOTE: Avengers

[Avengers]

Avengers are scum, let's end them

So, this is going to be happening every game now?

[Avengers]

Avengers are scum, let's end them

Again, do tell

'Cause I know Nancy, period

. Same reason why Alch is town in here.

No you don’t. You have only correctly read me in one game since MD and that was Undertale. You were convinced I was scum in GS too, remember?

I don’t even gaf that you’re voting me and wrongly sr me but I am seriously tilted that you’d lie about this.

Sr or not. Vote me or not. Mislynch me or not but

do no fucking tell lies about me ever again!

.

[Avengers]

Nancy is scum, lalalalalala

Are you trying to bait me specifically? Why?

Just to be clear, I’m not mad that you’re wrongly sr/voting me but that you think you have some kind of BoP metaread on me when we both know you don’t. That’s what’s specifically tilting me.

[Avengers]

In GS I repped in late in the game and I called you obvtown before dying so my point still stands

Sure, that’s why Moon requoted your post, calling me scum, just before he was flipped.

So, if you insist on wrongly sr me, can I at least get an explanation for your read? FYI, I have never been this sick in my entire mafia carreer,

so anyone who is alignment meta-reading me here - whether town or scum is absolutely full of shit

.

[Avengers]

I think this is entirely NAI for both of you

Did you not see my Avengers/Deb pairing theory?

Might be NAI now, but I don’t think anything is truly ever NAI.

Dude, you modded ABoontice. How is it not obvious to you DEB is way different here? Bad town obviously but very different than in ABoontice. Duh!

Flurry of shitposting and 0 game content? It's exactly like Aboontice. But his town game is the same. I don't really read Deb I think he's like an investigative blackhole.

Oh, I’m actually not familiar with his towngame. I just assumed this was it. Can you link me to some of his other games? Thanks.

~L

[Avengers]

Look PB, I won’t put any game above our friendship but because I seriously am sick, I will 100% be tolerating any specifically META-based alignment reads on me, specifically - exceptionally poorly. So I ask that you and everyone else else base your reads on my play. I’m sorry that I am too damn sick to obvtown it but it is what it is. :/

It would just really suck if that is the specific reason our slot gets mislynched. :/

[Avengers]

I linked slums here somewhere that had town Deb being pushed hard by Nero. But I also hard checked out of that game pretty early.

Do you have at least a ballpark of where I should look? I had no internet access for a week and then I was too sick to read, so I haven’t read anything since the 9-16 - actually pretty much nothing since the beginning of D1. So, I’m sure I’ve missed a lot of important stuff.

[Avengers]

I think this is entirely NAI for both of you

Did you not see my Avengers/Deb pairing theory?

Might be NAI now, but I don’t think anything is truly ever NAI.

Dude, you modded ABoontice. How is it not obvious to you DEB is way different here? Bad town obviously but very different than in ABoontice. Duh!

Why is it bad town to you if it is different? This is asking about the certainty not the read itself

Bad town because he sr me for hydra slipping when that’s NAI for me but after what RCE just posted, I’m rethinking it, since I actually only have one experience playing with DEB and he was scum in that.

[Avengers]

In GS I repped in late in the game and I called you obvtown before dying so my point still stands

Sure, that’s why Moon requoted your post, calling me scum, just before he was flipped.

So, if you insist on wrongly sr me, can I at least get an explanation for your read? FYI, I have never been this sick in my entire mafia carreer,

so anyone who is alignment meta-reading me here - whether town or scum is absolutely full of shit

.

Not my problem what Moon did, I called you obvtown, I was townreading you before dying, and called you scum before the end of that day 'cause I was messing with you and it was pretty obvious.

Honestly, I can never really be sure with you.

[Avengers]

Nancy is scum, lalalalalala

Are you trying to bait me specifically? Why?

Just to be clear, I’m not mad that you’re wrongly sr/voting me but that you think you have some kind of BoP metaread on me when we both know you don’t. That’s what’s specifically tilting me.

You're putting words in my mouth. I don't have a metaread on you, I just know you, period. Also you're using the term BoP wrongly.

Saying you don’t have a metaread and then saying you know me, is a complete contradiction. You still haven’t explained the basis for your sr on me. No, I’m not. BoP denotes accuracy on reading a specific slot through multiple games, does it not?

[Avengers]

Look PB, I won’t put any game above our friendship but because I seriously am sick, I will 100% be tolerating any specifically META-based alignment reads on me, specifically - exceptionally poorly. So I ask that you and everyone else else base your reads on my play. I’m sorry that I am too damn sick to obvtown it but it is what it is. :/

It would just really suck if that is the specific reason our slot gets mislynched. :/

Hey, if you're actually town, I'm really really proud of you, don't worry for a second.

Problem is, you're scum

You just keep saying that without giving even a single reason. Again, WHY am I scum? Are you actually planning to ever answer that?

[Avengers]

Avengers are scum, let's end them

Again, do tell

'Cause I know Nancy, period

. Same reason why Alch is town in here.

No you don’t. You have only correctly read me in one game since MD and that was Undertale. You were convinced I was scum in GS too, remember?

I don’t even gaf that you’re voting me and wrongly sr me but I am seriously tilted that you’d lie about this.

Sr or not. Vote me or not. Mislynch me or not but

do no fucking tell lies about me ever again!

.

In GS I repped in late in the game and I called you obvtown before dying so my point still stands

Sure, that’s why Moon requoted your post, calling me scum, just before he was flipped.

So, if you insist on wrongly sr me, can I at least get an explanation for your read? FYI, I have never been this sick in my entire mafia carreer,

so anyone who is alignment meta-reading me here - whether town or scum is absolutely full of shit

.

Can y'all at least sign your posts, since apparently this slot is important today I have to actually try to read it and its incredibly painful. Currently I am down to lynch nancy and captain america, don't care about iron man and think black widow is town, but fuck knows what I think of the slot. Are we sure they all got the same pm or is this just a secret 18p game.

So you’re tr half the slot and sr the other half?

Why are you sr me in particular?

~L

[Avengers]

Lol @PB

Also, i think it’s fair if PB says he knows Nancy, regardless if he can accurately read her, I’ve seen them hydra together.

You and DEB apparently know each other irl, correct. Would you say, both of you can accurately read each in games?

What is your DEB accuracy rate?

@DEB, same question on FL.

[Avengers]

Bad town because he sr me for hydra slipping when that’s NAI for me

That just sounds like plain old bad, not bad town.

Yeah could be. I was tr him based on him being so different here than in ABoontice but now I’m questioning that.

[Avengers]

Lol @PB

Also, i think it’s fair if PB says he knows Nancy, regardless if he can accurately read her, I’ve seen them hydra together.

You and DEB apparently know each other irl, correct. Would you say, both of you can accurately read each in games?

What is your DEB accuracy rate?

@DEB, same question on FL.

I’ve never had to read him prior to here. I’ve always been scum.

I think I can read him rather well, though, and I don’t really think he’s the type to bluff.

So what about his play here makes you think he is scum here? You were mod in ABoontice, so tell me how his play here is scum motivated?

@Pink Ball, same question, please.

[Avengers]

anyway VOTE: avengers i still think this is a good wagon

i'm semi vla for the next two weeks and only on mobile btw.

Is it too much to ask that someone unvote us and you WOATS don’t rush this?

[Avengers]

Is it too much to ask that someone unvote us and you WOATS don’t rush this?

You realize that if you use the insult WOAT more than once ever, it loses its meaning

Well it just seems to me that some people are being lazy or just trying to rush this - like Ausuka, who just wants to place a vote so she can go V/LA and I don’t see why this vote needs to be rushed. Hulk hasn’t even posted yet. He promised to in the next few days but I’m seriously wondering if he will even get the chance the way things are going.:/

[Avengers]

What do you think of flippy's argument for why Boon is town?

What about my argument for town!FL, SS?

Please restate them. I haven’t the energy to go and look this up. Thanks.

[Avengers]

VC 2.05

Menalque (3): Alchemist21, Flavor Leaf, Dr Easy Bake
Avengers (3): RCEnigma, mastina, Pink Ball
MariaR (3): Menalque, Gamma Emerald, Jibril
Gamma Emerald (1): itlepip

Not Voting (5): Something_Smart, Chemist1422, Avengers, book kid, MariaR

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to reach a lynch. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2019-08-06 18:10:00).

@can we have an updated VC please?

[Avengers]

Lol @PB

Also, i think it’s fair if PB says he knows Nancy, regardless if he can accurately read her, I’ve seen them hydra together.

You and DEB apparently know each other irl, correct. Would you say, both of you can accurately read each in games?

What is your DEB accuracy rate?

@DEB, same question on FL.

I’ve never had to read him prior to here. I’ve always been scum.

I think I can read him rather well, though, and I don’t really think he’s the type to bluff.

So what about his play here makes you think he is scum here? You were mod in ABoontice, so tell me how his play here is scum motivated?

@Pink Ball, same question, please.

I'm not scumreading DEB, why are you directing this question to me

Because all three of us were in ABoontice. I thought this was obvious.

[Avengers]

What do you think of flippy's argument for why Boon is town?

What about my argument for town!FL, SS?

Please restate them. I haven’t the energy to go and look this up. Thanks.

Oh hai Dustybun

FL is town. He doesn't engage as much in large games this early (and D1 in particular) when he's scum.

Only large game I was in with FL as scum was Sky’s last game which I repped into as part of Nero hydra and still haven’t read. I guess both RCE and SS could corroborate this or not.

However, he was pretty active as town in ND.

What specific games are you basing this on? Can you link them? Thanks.

[Avengers]

Idk if I’m scum reading Deb

Are you still sr us, since you previously implied you thought we were buddies?

[Avengers]

Lol @PB

Also, i think it’s fair if PB says he knows Nancy, regardless if he can accurately read her, I’ve seen them hydra together.

You and DEB apparently know each other irl, correct. Would you say, both of you can accurately read each in games?

What is your DEB accuracy rate?

@DEB, same question on FL.

I’ve never had to read him prior to here. I’ve always been scum.

I think I can read him rather well, though, and I don’t really think he’s the type to bluff.

So what about his play here makes you think he is scum here? You were mod in ABoontice, so tell me how his play here is scum motivated?

@Pink Ball, same question, please.

I'm not scumreading DEB, why are you directing this question to me

Because all three of us were in ABoontice. I thought this was obvious.

Nancy, the question you're making is "So what about his play here makes you think he is scum", and I don't think he's scum. I think it's pretty obvious why I don't understand why you're asking me.

I get that now but I don’t understand why you it should be “obvious” to me why you don’t understand, when I’ve already explained it.

Alright, I thought I was onto something. I’m glad to have it confirmed.

[Avengers]

What do you think of flippy's argument for why Boon is town?

What about my argument for town!FL, SS?

Please restate them. I haven’t the energy to go and look this up. Thanks.

Oh hai Dustybun

FL is town. He doesn't engage as much in large games this early (and D1 in particular) when he's scum.

Only large game I was in with FL as scum was Sky’s last game which I repped into as part of Nero hydra and still haven’t read. I guess both RCE and SS could corroborate this or not.

However, he was pretty active as town in ND.

What specific games are you basing this on? Can you link them? Thanks.

The Sylvester Stallone game by A50 and, more recent, Krazy's Anime uPick are good examples on how scum!FL plays in larges.

FL wasn’t scum, he was SK in that but I’ll take your word on uPick I guess? I only have Normal - which I never bothered reading and ND to compare to. Some people play differently as scum and SK, Shoshin would be a really good example of this.

[Avengers]

@RCE, why are you so hellbent on killing us?

Uh.
Because even ignoring the probable identities of who's in the hydra, your posting's been scum from the onset?
And with the knowledge of meta on probable identities of who's in the hydra, that goes from "generic general guideline usage of scumhunting" to "actual well and true, proper, meta",

your posting's been scum meta from the onset.

Thank you RCE!

FYI, I have never been this sick in my entire mafia carreer,

so anyone who is alignment meta-reading me here - whether town or scum is absolutely full of shit

.

I will be requoting this for anyone who attempts a bs metaread of any kind on me. Reads regarding my play here specifically or meta on other heads, otoh will be accepted.

[Avengers]

Why has hulk not posted?

What if.
Hulk is Creature.
And the reason for not posting is it's a scum hydra.

Sorry, wrong game.

[Avengers]

Why has hulk not posted?

What if.
Hulk is Creature.
And the reason for not posting is it's a scum hydra.

Where are you at on maria?

Could be scum but I'd rather go for the guaranteed scum in Avengers over the possible scum.

Explain how you went from “if” to “guaranteed” in a matter of seconds? Since I’m lying in bed and completely useless, I have plenty of time.

[Avengers]

VC 2.06

Avengers (4): RCEnigma, mastina, Pink Ball, book kid

Can I just say.

That my confidence level for this wagon being on scum.

Is increased by knowing that every player voting on it in this VC is town?

Half way to a lynch and yet there's no scum on that wagon.

So? I don’t understand your reasoning. Assuming you’re right, why couldn’t scum jump on us later?

[Avengers]

VOTE: Rce
We really need to flip this today.

Try to lynch RC and my last qualms about lynching you evaporate.

Thank you for acknowledging you’re not RCE. You only respond to posts directed at him.

[Avengers]

VC 2.06

Avengers (4): RCEnigma, mastina, Pink Ball, book kid

Can I just say.

That my confidence level for this wagon being on scum.

Is increased by knowing that every player voting on it in this VC is town?

Half way to a lynch and yet there's no scum on that wagon.

Wdym you "know"? I understand the Mason thing with RCE but what about Ausuka and Pinky?

PB has been bleeding obvtown since the beginning. Not alignment based but I thought Ausuka’s. specific reason for voting my slot was lazy. So, I don’t think Ausuka should be considered anywhere as obvtown as PB but probably a tl for me at this point.

I can towncase PB for you, if you’re interested. I’m just too dizzy to do it rn.

[Avengers]

Why has hulk not posted?

What if.
Hulk is Creature.
And the reason for not posting is it's a scum hydra.

Where are you at on maria?

Could be scum but I'd rather go for the guaranteed scum in Avengers over the possible scum.

Explain how you went from “if” to “guaranteed” in a matter of seconds? Since I’m lying in bed and completely useless, I have plenty of time.

The answer for this is so tremendously stupidly obvious I'm not even going to bother giving it.

I’ve had an ongoing lowgrade fever for the last two goddamned weeks, so fucking humour me, why don’t you?

[Avengers]

I don't object to the read on PB but the certainty. Ausuka though I don't feel like is anywhere close

I’m too sick to do it now but just read his earliest posts. He did something kind of similar in GS. Those early posts make no sense if PB is scum here.

[Avengers]

I don't object to the read on PB but the certainty. Ausuka though I don't feel like is anywhere close

I’m too sick to do it now but just read his earliest posts. He did something kind of similar in GS. Those early posts make no sense if PB is scum here.

You need to assess a townie or scummy motivation for play and his posting just doesn’t make sense towards a scum wincon. Also he is also tonally town. ISO him in “Shirley You Jest”, to understand what I mean by this.

[Avengers]

I’ve had an ongoing lowgrade fever for the last two goddamned weeks, so fucking humour me, why don’t you?

So this response had a different meaning, but I think it's apt to give you here:

FYI, I have never been this sick in my entire mafia carreer,

so anyone who is alignment meta-reading me here - whether town or scum is absolutely full of shit

.

The thing is you're scum for reasons that "I've been sick" do not justify. Being sick here may justify some aspects--but not the aspects I'm actually scumreading you for.

I realize you're fucking sick.
It doesn't mean I am going to let you get away with "I'm sick" as an excuse for literally everything you're doing.
So:

No.

Whatever. Be an asshole to me in this game. I don’t really gaf. I’m not making excuses but thanks for the bs misrep once again. What I said was I vehemently object to any META reads on ME

specifically

for this reason because of that. I never said I should be tr because of that. That doesn’t mean I’m NOT town and once you remove your head from your ass, you may eventually figure that out.

[Avengers]

Reads regarding my play here specifically

or meta on other heads, otoh

will be accepted

.

@Mastina

[Avengers]

That's what mastina is doing???

post 2459, mastina"]your posting's been scum

meta

from the onset.[/quote]

Yeah I know, I somehow fucked up the formatting.



Did you read the beginning of PB’s ISO yet? Do you still not get why he’s obvtown here?

[Avengers]

Wdym you "know"? I understand the Mason thing with RCE but what about Ausuka and Pinky?

If you're scumreading Pink Ball this game you're either scum or just outright unfamiliar with him because he's as obvtown as obvtown gets this game.

Ausuka I think also looks town but I admit this is mostly a sheeping-my-townreads read.

I wouldn’t say PB is “obv town”, but nothing has pinged me as scum from him, and I’m generally reading him as town, if that makes sense.

It was pretty obvious from his first few posts.

[Avengers]

Really sad DEB survived the night

, there literally is no reason to think that slot is town. Gamma is still almost certainly scum. My other scum reads are kinda all over the place right now, though I think my town reads are generally similar. Also have a decent to large project right now so probably won't be posting for a little bit.

ALSO, Star lord being powerful but immature is literally his defining characteristic, like its what the second movie was about. They built the plot around the characters, at least in that instance (Dr.Strange stopped having a character in that film).

VOTE: Gamma

If you’re “sad” DEB “survived the night”, then why is your vote on Gamma?

[Avengers]

Avengers are scum, let's end them

Again, do tell

'Cause I know Nancy, period

. Same reason why Alch is town in here.

No you don’t. You have only correctly read me in one game since MD and that was Undertale. You were convinced I was scum in GS too, remember?

I don’t even gaf that you’re voting me and wrongly sr me but I am seriously tilted that you’d lie about this.

Sr or not. Vote me or not. Mislynch me or not but

do no fucking tell lies about me ever again!

.

In GS I repped in late in the game and I called you obvtown before dying so my point still stands

Sure, that’s why Moon requoted your post, calling me scum, just before he was flipped.

So, if you insist on wrongly sr me, can I at least get an explanation for your read? FYI, I have never been this sick in my entire mafia carreer,

so anyone who is alignment meta-reading me here - whether town or scum is absolutely full of shit

.

Can y'all at least sign your posts, since apparently this slot is important today I have to actually try to read it and its incredibly painful. Currently I am down to lynch nancy and captain america, don't care about iron man and think black widow is town, but fuck knows what I think of the slot. Are we sure they all got the same pm or is this just a secret 18p game.

And now you want to lynch 1/2 a hydra?

And he hasn’t posted since.

All of these posts this and the previous one, sound kind of waffley and kind of fence sittery.

I’ll vote X even though I sr Y and Z.

[Avengers]

What are people's reads on Book kid, that slot feels really scummy but it could be newbie awkwardness? I don't have a great case but none of their posts are sitting well with me.

Probably going to vote GE otherwise here unless something changes in the last few pages. (Not for the lameist thing btw)

Wow again, shades Book, plans to vote Gamma. I think this is like the third post now. Wtf is up with all this waffling and fence sitting?

[Avengers]

Hey SS can you drop some reads on this thread? You said you would reread and interested to see where you are after that

What do you mean with "on this thread"? Are you implying something?

You may get answers if you give them first honey

My answer is damn you got me I'm actually a mason with SS but I wanted him to post his reads here instead of in our private thread. I didn't want to out it but you forced me to with all that quality pressure honey.

Is this true SS? Do you claim masons with itlepip?