Pokémon Fusion U-Pick [Game Over]

[RCEnigma]

Don't mind the smell, you get used to it VOTE: skellen

Welcome to the wild west Skellen.

[RCEnigma]

It means L&F is scumclaiming. Pog

[RCEnigma]

Immediate reaction to the hated line, they all either picked from the Bulbasaur evolution line, or legendaries.

This is not correct.

It's more specific, but also not.

[RCEnigma]

It you run me up I'll fake guilty you.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Pinkball

[RCEnigma]

We're masons with Pink Ball and RedFlavor, have a night 0 guilty on flippyNips, are millers to ground-type pokemon investigatives, and are informed the scum team doesn't include any novice night 1 loyal vigilantes.

VOTE: flips

-Iron Man

Lukewarm take: this is all the scum.

[RCEnigma]

Hot take: There’s exactly one scum in the hated group.

From the outside looking in, I like this read. But knowing why I have the hated modifier, it's more combo related than alignment related.

[RCEnigma]

FL is vengeful jester.

[RCEnigma]

Spiciest take*

[RCEnigma]

Immediate reaction to the hated line, they all either picked from the Bulbasaur evolution line, or legendaries.

This is not correct.

It's more specific, but also not.

I am literally hated because my combo could be found in a horror movie. I am not a starter or a legendary.

We aren't in a hood, but this doesn't disprove my original theory.

I can confirm my combo was also nightmare fuel.

[RCEnigma]

Y’all out here making nightmare fuel and I was making cute/cool stuff.

My thing is cute. But also horrifying. You know how something is so ugly it’s cute, right? That’s what I think at least. My other two were def scary. One looked like a lamprey

Same boat. Its ugly but In an aesthetically pleasing way. I think my other choices were pretty cool though.

[RCEnigma]

He explained why.

Avengers’ believable claim.

Is that what he meant? Flippy hasn’t even posted so I read the post as a joke - “vote flippy because [insert generic reason here]”.

I still think the switch is scummy.

Did you not vote pb for a similar reason? I think flippy is a decent vote as well.

[RCEnigma]

The likelihood there is 1 scum in avengers/pb/flippy/RF is a pretty good reason in rvs.

[RCEnigma]

I can tell you that's wrong.

[RCEnigma]

Page 5 townreads - alchemist, FL, oversoul

[RCEnigma]

Hated backed each other up, FL was meddling. Im not really a viable avenue for pressure.

[RCEnigma]

I am masons with mastina lol
Btw writing in the color of my pokemon's type

Hardclaim this because I cc Mastina.

[RCEnigma]

The likelihood there is 1 scum in avengers/pb/flippy/RF is a pretty good reason in rvs.

What i didn't even post

Took a shot in the dark based on how Avenger entered.

[RCEnigma]

The likelihood there is 1 scum in avengers/pb/flippy/RF is a pretty good reason in rvs.

What i didn't even post

Took a shot in the dark based on how Avenger entered.

Wat

I think you're better than this.

[RCEnigma]

I am masons with mastina lol
Btw writing in the color of my pokemon's type

Hardclaim this because I cc Mastina.

Have you not played with mastina

We just finished a game with Mastina... You were there?

[RCEnigma]

I am masons with mastina lol
Btw writing in the color of my pokemon's type

Hardclaim this because I cc Mastina.

Have you not played with mastina

We just finished a game with Mastina... You were there?

Mastina claims Mason with neighbors all the time. Don't think you've caught her off that.

Why assume I scumread her for it?

[RCEnigma]

FL appreciation is over.

[RCEnigma]

PB is town so VOTE: Deb

[RCEnigma]

Pocket FL is still on my to do list.

[RCEnigma]

I don't... Love this...

[RCEnigma]

Eh, it's nai coming from FL. It's probably scum from Gamma, this and the previous shading.

[RCEnigma]

Town - Mastina, Oversoul, Alchemist, FL, PB, L&F, book.

[RCEnigma]

I have a useful vote already. How can I tell people how town I am if I'm not pressuring with my vote?

[RCEnigma]

Love and friendship can be town. I actually think Alchemist committed a town tell though

is it the "there's one scum in this group" thing? it seems exactly like the sort of random, unfounded assertion that's in vogue with everyone these days, not a towntell.

Pocket FL is still on my to do list.

I lightweight scum read this

I kinda agree with this, it's subtly LAMIST.
VOTE: RCEnigma

What does LAMIST mean?

"look at me im so town"

all mafia acronyms by the way are totally useless and act only to obscure and confuse. i hate them. just say what you mean people

-V

Okay fine

RCEnigma is acting like pocketing FL isn't possible currently as they're supposedly town, and because of that it's still on the to-do list

Lol no I just haven't gone into a game with the goal of hard pocketing FL yet. I don't intend on buddying up to FL but I think hes tentatively town.

[RCEnigma]

Ugh, so why do I have five votes on me again? Someone wanna lay it down why I'm scum?

No you tell me why you're town. Guilty until proven innocent.

[RCEnigma]

It was good enough for now.

What? How? You got literally one of the most general answers that doesn't even tell much.

Welcome to large themes where meta is everything.

[RCEnigma]

where's Avengers? that hydra is sort of underwhelming me so far.

if deb is town there's probably scum in {skellen, mastina} ig

Hmm why couldn't either be town wrong on town?

[RCEnigma]

I think the thought process is there, you just took a different form in the road. I think of all the votes Skellens is probably the most suspicious, or mine. But no one joined after my vote which is kind of what I thought would happen.

That's if Deb is town, which I don't really buy right now.

[RCEnigma]

Doesn't change my interpretation of your statement

That's fine, it's what I'm scumreading you for.

[RCEnigma]

The likelihood there is 1 scum in avengers/pb/flippy/RF is a pretty good reason in rvs.

Is this because of Iron Man's RVS vote thing? Why are you using this to make a grouping of players that there's likely to be scum in, especially when at least one hasnt' posted at this time (I don't remember whether or not flippy posted, but I'm pretty sure RF has not)?

~ Black Widow

Well now that I know this isn't the case. I assumed the Ironman head was sitting a neighborhood of (Avengers/RF/PB) possibly + flippy. I don't think I've ever seen an all town hood so it was a decent group to vote in whether those slots have interacted with the thread yet or not.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: RCEnigma because anyone that posts first is obviously overeager scum

Also, although it's not listed in the OP, I am a hydra of Vijarada and McMenno, and we promise nobody else haha. And we will sign, or at least I will.

-Vijarada

VOTE: flippynips because of this totally believable claim
-V

Why are you switching up your rvs vote?

VOTE: Love and Friendship

This is also pretty bad. I think it's kinda scummy to pop into a thread when there's already content and make a non-chalant random vote when there's already things to engage with - that's why I didn't like your entrance

This post also feels like that - why are you complaining that he switched his rvs? Why is it scummy to switch an rvs vote? Why is this what you're choosing to engage with when there's already real content?

~ Black Widow

You think I have scum equity but don't see anything wrong with L&F shifting away from voting me but do have an issue with Alchemist for pressing it.

[RCEnigma]

I can tell you that's wrong.

You feel pretty weird this game

~ Black Widow

If you've played any games with me this is a hard scumtell.

[RCEnigma]

Scum.

VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

No, I'm pretty sure this is town

Doubling down, this is scummy too.

[RCEnigma]

Right on PB I knew you were town.

[RCEnigma]

If Avengers is scum I think Gamma is town.

[RCEnigma]

Damn you and your evidence! Damn it to hell!

[RCEnigma]

It's not. I just pictured scrooge saying "bah evidence".

[RCEnigma]

What is it that makes you feel weird about RCE?

Their red role pm if I had to guess.

[RCEnigma]

@RCE:
Can you explain your townread on book kid? (#312)

I feel she is lacking some drive. While I really like her attempt with further engaging with Red in #193, it confuses me how she just literally went "lol ok" after Red simply said he has no interest to respond to her and leaved it at that. Also I feel a bit iffy about her being ok with a DEB wagon but on the same time sets up pre-flip associations with assuming town!DEB while she doesn't seem to townread him to begin with(?).

So book is one of a few players I feel I can confidently read and on tone she passes check 1.

367 is a town post based on how the typing and hp mechanic works out. It says to me she doesn't have a read their and would rather follow her own read than join the town consensus and policy Deb on playstyle.

I forgot the post number where she responded to me but her expanding on her thought process without me having to push further was town indicative for her as well. Like she was considering what information I was asking for and what information she thought I could use to better my read.

[RCEnigma]

Also agree with L&F you guys need to get your Hydra together, I'm not trying to individually read 5 people that share 1 role pm.

[RCEnigma]

So book is one of a few players I feel I can confidently read and on tone she passes check 1.

367 is a town post based on how the typing and hp mechanic works out. It says to me she doesn't have a read their and would rather follow her own read than join the town consensus and policy Deb on playstyle.

I forgot the post number where she responded to me but her expanding on her thought process without me having to push further was town indicative for her as well. Like she was considering what information I was asking for and what information she thought I could use to better my read.

Was that tonal read your original basis for the townread? I ask because all the other points you made were after #312.

Ok, that's a fair point that I also have on her could be town side. I am not sure if we think here of the same though, so feel free to correct me if I misinterpret something. Do you townread the mechanic part with the "probably many vigs" going by the hp mechanic, because you think this comment comes rather from someone who rolled a town role? If so do you think so too then if you go by DEB's #218? What makes it different?
I get your second sentence, but it was my impression she seemed to be fine with "vigging" him instead even although I take it it was probably more meant as joke.

I am fine with your point of view regarding #384, it doesn't ease my bad feeling about that post though considering the assumption of town!DEB while she doesn't seem to have a (positive) read on DEB.

Yes initially it was just a tonal read. I think town is usually organic in rvs. The rest is kind of supplementing my read.

The big comment comes from town using the sample pm as a reference point. I'm considering roles in this game not as traditional roles but attacks. This would be categorized as (attack,support) which is self explanatory. She wants to sort Deb in the night instead of blowing a Lynch there which is reasonable.

And I think she's playing devil's advocate which is also reasonable for town.

[RCEnigma]

i mean, you're complaining that i don't have a problem with someone switching their post 8 obvious meme vote off of you onto another meme vote in early rvs, before you made any of the posts that i dislike. i should have a problem with him changing his vote there because ... ?

it was a meme rvs vote vote, he was engaging with the thread and other players, and his tone feels townie for that stage

I didn't day 1 alignment switch so....what?

[RCEnigma]

Because that doesn't change your read. It would still be an interaction with someone you scumread. I wouldn't only become scum when you started scumreading me...

[RCEnigma]

the entrance itself was fine

pink ball vote was weird; reaction to my slot's entrance was weird (why would he think that list was all the scum? do scum usually make a meme vote listing all of their partners as their entrance? like the only time i could see scum doing that is like maybe as a traitor soft but even so .... do scum really do this? even his explanation later that he thought that this was a neighborhood is kinda weird; why would all scum be in a neighborhood together? like his whole thought process here doesn't make much sense to me)

i guess it was mostly that thought process that i didn't like

I've seen scum do this yeah, PB has as well. I don't and didn't at the time think it was all the scum but under the pretense it was a neighborhood soft the chance scum is in that grouping is higher than rand I stand by that.

[RCEnigma]

sorry for being worthless, also sorry for menno being freaking worthless, you'll get a big catchup tomorrow okay? Smh lurking hydras.

Also mastina's commentary is egotistical and silly as usual.

But it's town egotistical.

[RCEnigma]

I've seen scum do this yeah, PB has as well. I don't and didn't at the time think it was all the scum but under the pretense it was a neighborhood soft the chance scum is in that grouping is higher than rand I stand by that.

i missed this the last time around but you literally said:

Lukewarm take: this is all the scum.

so like was i not supposed to assume you meant all the scum there ... ?

-

It was an rvs read but ... I would still Lynch any one of these slots minus PB. That doesn't rule out PB as a deepwolf.

[RCEnigma]

The big comment comes from town using the sample pm as a reference point. I'm considering roles in this game not as traditional roles but attacks. This would be categorized as (attack,support) which is self explanatory.

Ok, but do you think that similar comment from DEB might also come from town?

In reference to him claiming not VT? It's not really alignment indicative I don't think.

[RCEnigma]

It was an rvs read but ... I would still Lynch any one of these slots minus PB. That doesn't rule out PB as a deepwolf.

A few things:

- This partially fed into why your train of thought there didn't make sense to me and why it felt pretty weird to me, because alleging that an RVS entrance might contain all the scum and then going to 'oh that might be a neighborhood soft and i think there might be a scum in that group' just doesn't make much sense to me as a thought process.

- I feel like you've kinda been posting less since I've been pressuring you?

- Why do you think PB might be a deepwolf?

~ Black Widow

-Break this down for me, why is that a strange chain of events?

- no

- I think he's town but could be scum in my townreads.

[RCEnigma]

FL where ya at. I need some reads.

[RCEnigma]

Gamma would scum!Maria hard pocket you? Or attempt to I should say.

[RCEnigma]

I'm disappointed there isn't a llama attack Deb.

[RCEnigma]

FL where ya at. I need some reads.

[RCEnigma]

I can get you lynched if it sparkles and pleases.

[RCEnigma]

Protecc: Gamma

[RCEnigma]

Just because I’m reading a game doesn’t mean I’m reading a game.

I read but don’t comprehend stuff so have no analysis or actual opinions to give.

That’s when i don’t post.

And a lot of times when I choose to post it’s because of someththing happening in real time, which gets me present, and i can catch up in that way.

This is almost word for word a post from Scum!FL in anime upick.

[RCEnigma]

And I don’t misrep people as scum.

They just don’t word themselves correctly, and I eat up at what they say.

It’s very literal in that sense.

This isn't true either but I buy that FL believes this. On the plus side both if my townreads in FL/Book are stronger.

[RCEnigma]

Just because I’m reading a game doesn’t mean I’m reading a game.

I read but don’t comprehend stuff so have no analysis or actual opinions to give.

That’s when i don’t post.

And a lot of times when I choose to post it’s because of someththing happening in real time, which gets me present, and i can catch up in that way.

This is almost word for word a post from Scum!FL in anime upick.

Yeah, I’m really trying to push that line of thinking the past few months.

Pretty sure I’ve been posting in all my games for the past few months.

It just happens I rolled scum 4 games simultaneously so most of those were scum games, but I do say it as town too, which is weird because I’m like 98% sure you’ve been in multiple games with me where I’ve said it.

So it should seem familiar.

While true, you only spoke a partial truth

It's probably not a post that sticks out when you're obvtowning, so possible.

[RCEnigma]

Agree to disagree.

[RCEnigma]

And I don’t misrep people as scum.

They just don’t word themselves correctly, and I eat up at what they say.

It’s very literal in that sense.

This isn't true either but I buy that FL believes this. On the plus side both if my townreads in FL/Book are stronger.

How is Book townie?!?!?! From that complete nothing of a push.

She misrepped and pushed bad meta.

Hmm, do you buy that she solo pushes you for towncred then?

[RCEnigma]

Keep in mind I didn't catch her in EICN by accident. Even if I didn't catch you.

[RCEnigma]

Not sure I like pushing the 7% and using the 93 as a fallback.

[RCEnigma]

Mastina, book, FL, pb - town
Gamma, Maria, Menalque(only because my townreads like him), chemist (same), Oversoul, L&F -Town leans
SS, flippy, other people??? - null
Skellen, Deb, Avengers - scumleans & scumreads

[RCEnigma]

I missed alchemist, he's a townlean too.

[RCEnigma]

I get the feeling Book v FL could actually be scum theatre based on how much space it's filling

This was my take. I would think the exact same thing if I didn't know who they were and just come out of a game they were scum together.

[RCEnigma]

Isn't that stronger evidence for Book being town if you're town?

[RCEnigma]

Also, I’m officially the top poster in this game, so that push on me is flat out incorrect and seems to be coming from ScumYou.

[RCEnigma]

And questioning my read on book without really taking that read into consideration isn't consistent with you thinking she's not scum.

[RCEnigma]

Also, I’m officially the top poster in this game, so that push on me is flat out incorrect and seems to be coming from ScumYou.

I should be locktown.

[RCEnigma]

Don't know why that quoted.

And I'm lock towning book, Mastina, and gamma. One small happy family if you accept book into your heart.

[RCEnigma]

I have a hot take on chemist but I don't know if it's town or scum motivated.

Pin.

[RCEnigma]

Someone get me a neighborhood with chemist.

[RCEnigma]

Like that’s great cover if you’re scum and you’re managing to fool people who normally do read you well

True, but that is a situation that by definition doesn't arise very much. If someone can read you well, then you usually CAN'T fool them.

Yeah that’s a fair point

I guess the other reason it concerns me is bc in a case where all three of you are scum it’s also a great defence, and as I’m also SRing RCE, and I’m only null on you that doesn’t seem overly out there

But like I said I don’t really want book kid lynched today anyway so I’m okay with seeing how her play develops

I actually like this thought process.

I find myself in the unfortunate situation where a bulk of my townreads have me as their top scum.

You're wrong, but I'm here for an AMA. What's up guys?

[RCEnigma]

Sup RCE

Talk me through book kid!town

Also why I shouldn’t be SRing you

Pls and thank

I'm town playing to my town meta AND outside of my scum meta, so there's that.

Book plays scum similar to myself, pretty listlessly. Neither of us really enjoy rolling scum. I feel she has very distinct approaches to each alignment and her town game is proactive over reactive. Example Musicals normal vs EICN. Which isn't a hard read since she's fooled me day 1 before but I think I've gotten better at separating her being busy from her avoiding giving content because she doesn't feel comfortable interacting with town.

[RCEnigma]

Sup RCE

Talk me through book kid!town

Also why I shouldn’t be SRing you

Pls and thank

I'm town playing to my town meta AND outside of my scum meta, so there's that.

Book

plays scum similar to myself, pretty listlessly.

Neither of us really enjoy rolling scum. I feel she has very distinct approaches to each alignment and her town game is proactive over reactive. Example Musicals normal vs EICN. Which isn't a hard read since she's fooled me day 1 before but I think I've gotten better at separating her being busy from her avoiding giving content because she doesn't feel comfortable interacting with town.

Do you see why I have a problem with this? I feel like you’ve been pretty listless this game, and skimming your ISO confirmed that for me

Yeah I can imagine you towning it up under pressure but idk why I should give that more credence than your earlier behaviour while you were unpressure, ya dig?

I haven’t played with you, but I’ve definitely read at least part of a game where you were town (I think in newbie section?) and you seem different here

Those are the two main reasons I’m SRing you

I also think book has been p listless aside from pushing on FL and that felt forced rather than engaged

I disagree, there is a lot of content in my posting that isn't ready to be content yet. But I get it, my read on you was pretty much the same. "PB is godtown and I'm just doing what he says." Hasn't been screaming town to me. I'm fine with letting it play out though.

Your reasoning for pushing back on SS and I reading book town was good though so there's like, the potential to be town.

[RCEnigma]

Also my newbie play and my play outside of the newbie queue are vastly different. I don't have to set an example anywhere else or have to foster an environment that makes players want to join more games.

[RCEnigma]

Mmk so I'm getting some of the apathy now. So let's play a game. Everyone gets 2 guesses at what Pokemon I chose. Anyone guesses correct I'll reveal that half's ability.

I call it, who's that Pokemon?

[RCEnigma]

I might up it to 3 and I may or may not give hints. My hated status is kind of one already.

[RCEnigma]

Uhhh I'll give avengers a vote for each head. Dgb and kuribo can play as well.

[RCEnigma]

I'm keeping it at 2 votes per. 38/151 sounds kind of low but 57/151 seems a bit much. If people opt out I'll consider upping the guesses.

I am none of the below:
)Abra
)Clefable
)Magmar

[RCEnigma]

Hey SS can you drop some reads on this thread? You said you would reread and interested to see where you are after that

What do you mean with "on this thread"? Are you implying something?

You may get answers if you give them first honey

My answer is damn you got me I'm actually a mason with SS but I wanted him to post his reads here instead of in our private thread. I didn't want to out it but you forced me to with all that quality pressure honey.

Ooo sassyyyyy. I like that.

[RCEnigma]

I think that's already confirmed as not true since Oversoul claimed Buttervee and that it was hated because it was an abomination

I mean, I'm not reading 50 pages of game to find that, so I'll just accept that I'm likely incorrect and move on.

Buttervee actually sounds pretty cute. But w/e. What do i know.

Uh, @RCE is that the reason you are Hated as well?
If not, can you tell us why that is?

- 'Murica, Hellz Yes!

It's a nightmare combination but our reason for being hated is *somewhat* different. No guesses have been right so far but giving away the common link narrows the pool down significantly and that's cheating so.

It's also part of the reason I think Chemist is being intentionally misleading.

[RCEnigma]

@FL, RCE, gamma

Did SS’s answers to those question ring true to you?

Also is he normally this helpful/friendly or am I being pocketed?

I wanna TR you SS which makes me worried you’re doing a good job of pocketing me

I think his scum game is better than he's giving himself credit for, but I do the same thing so it's nai.

I've pretty much developed a foolproof plan for reading SS early and it's not to. At all. Just wait for him to be the nk or wait to see what kind of content he is giving at his own discretion later in the game.

[RCEnigma]

I'll have that fire FL read for you day 2 Mastina.

[RCEnigma]

Also SS, what are your thoughts on the Maria wagon?

I don't think it would exist if she were scum.

I'm fine with this take but it didn't really answer the question. Follow up question, do you think Town!Maria is being pushed by scum?

[RCEnigma]

Ehh "I don't believe Scum!FL would do this thing that I expect Scum!FL to do so he's probtown" is a nonread to me.

[RCEnigma]

Ehh "I don't believe Scum!FL would do this thing that I expect Scum!FL to do so he's probtown" is a nonread to me.

Is this me lol?

Was Maria's read on FL.

[RCEnigma]

Yeah, the fact that I was playing kinda scummy or certainly not that townie and he was the only one who scumread me for it

Also I think he’s def townier than flippers mcnippers so there’s that

Didn't you scumread mo for this? Or is this one of the things I didn't say out loud?

[RCEnigma]

if flippy gets one more vote i'll move tbh

flippy it's like 2 weeks into the game, can you at least elaborate on whatever vibes you're getting from people? i dont think you've ever pressured people or really made me think you're not just getting reads from thin air so if you're town help me out here

VOTE: Flippy money, mouth.

[RCEnigma]

Ftr I'd vote Maria here too. I think the crossvote is good post flip info.

[RCEnigma]

You the... Wo-man!

[RCEnigma]

why the hyphen lol

and you know from last game that i take deadlines seriously i cant really be that much of a bitch about it though this time because my reads are kind of too ephemeral for me to really feel the need to push them <:/ - hoping to shake that up tomorrow

mastina and book kid when you come on let's get this bread

Well we flip Maria or flippy and I'm fine with either. I wouldn't stress over it.

Mastina and Book were my power group first. Well consult to see if you're in. But I agree on the Alchemist thing so that's a good sign.

[RCEnigma]

Was Deb, avengers, PB your shortlist or myself, itle, and gamma?

[RCEnigma]

is it the "there's one scum in this group" thing? it seems exactly like the sort of random, unfounded assertion that's in vogue with everyone these days, not a towntell.

Trying to discredit a Towntell without even knowing if that’s what Oversoul was talking about. You’re definitely scum.

idk do you think it's uncommon for town to discredit townreads on their scumreads

He didn’t wait to see what Oversoul was going to say. It shows he has no interest in developing a read on me, only on pushing me.

This was probably the last alchemist post I liked and it's been awhile since then.

I'll say that if Avengers flips scum however, alchemist is likely town. I don't think there was a need to call his partner out over my meta if there wasn't an intention to pocket me.

[RCEnigma]

Yeah you’re not wrong. But at this point me doing anything is just gonna look like I’m scurrying to survive

I feel ya man. UNVOTE:

No one really has to sell me on Maria but sell it to me anyways.

[RCEnigma]

Whatever, that doesn't change things really.

VOTE: RCEnigma

I'm guessing anything "hated" was a Team Rocket pokemon, so Arbok or Koffing are my Gen 1 guesses for the sot.
It also leans towards scum even more so yeah.

I'll read more later I suppose.

- 'Murica, Hellz Yes!

ok I think this is scum does anyone else think this is scum?

Yes, but it's a lonely road.

[RCEnigma]

I don’t see why he would not drop the hammer on me if he was scum & just play the. “I haven’t been reading but saw L1 & couldn’t resist” card

I think you're right.

Of course, I also think him being scum with you is a real possibility, so it doesn't look BETTER for you, but if you flip town I'm willing to trust this read.

In about the same place. FL has a propensity to hard defend his partners since he can wiggle out of associations for the most part but I think Flippys approach to his wagon are pretty town.

FL defending town doesn't really help my read on him all that much though if that makes sense. I like that he hasn't hammered so that's a thing.

[RCEnigma]

What the fuck is a night time scurry?

Sounds like a commute, you guys are being dense. Not sure if it's intentional, so I'll be Captain obvious.

[RCEnigma]

But also your claim seems contradictory and suspiscous so you are almost certainly mafia here.

They were two different abilities. I could only use either or. If I was scum I would of just made some bullshit role up that’s safe instead of telling you along the lines of what I actually do. Cos I know what I actually do sounds sus

I don't even understand what the first thing is

Shit you and me both. I figured I’d start to understand once I used it

It’s an attack that I can use and it drains 1hp if it’s effective. But it can be non effective or super effective. Which is why I said I assume it’s based on the type of Pokémon I attack.

The second I’d rather not say in case I live. I think what I said on it is good enough

Can it reduce hp to 0? I think I've narrowed half of your combo down to 2 Pokemon.

[RCEnigma]

My second ability is being able to move to another location for safety. Any actions used on me in the night will fail when I use this ability

Wait. This is a Commute.

I have this ability as well.

Bringing FL into my town block.

[RCEnigma]

Pivot where?

Maria or avengers.

[RCEnigma]

Bringing FL into my town block.

?????

It's always you. It will make more sense tomorrow wether I die or not so don't worry about it. But if I do die, hard sheep my read.

[RCEnigma]

I feel BW is not Skitter??? Based on how she's pushed me. Skitter has a pretty accurate understanding of my playand pushing town!me back to back as nontown is above her scum play.

[RCEnigma]

My abilities aren't the names of Pokemon moves so I don't think it's a big stretch. Also think similar working abilities would be worded or named different based on type or the kind of pokè chosen.

[RCEnigma]

What??!?

[RCEnigma]

This wagon isn't pivotable is it?

[RCEnigma]

VC 1.37

Emperor flippyNips (8): Menalque, RCEnigma, Katyusha, Chemist1422, Alchemist21, Dr Easy Bake, itlepip, book kid
RCEnigma (3): [hated], Avengers, MariaR
Dr Easy Bake (2): mastina, Emperor flippyNips
MariaR (2): jibril, Gamma Emerald
Katyusha (1): Pink Ball
jibril (1): [hated]
Chemist1422 (1): [hated]

Not Voting (2): Something_Smart, Flavor Leaf

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to reach a lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-07-21 21:20:00).

Wut.

[RCEnigma]

Had a mini heart attack.

[RCEnigma]

The post that made me want to say that was your ????’s

Oh I was objecting to him townbinning you based on your claim.

It isn't his towntell but FL is townshowing. Plus I townread his overall play today as a collective.

[RCEnigma]

Yeah what FL said.

[RCEnigma]

Well, then, he phrased it badly and I misunderstood.

I mean it would be really surface level to slap down a townread on the claim alone. Not to mention the claim itself isn't ai in anyway. But that may be the expectation of my play so, meh.

[RCEnigma]

And I actually think my thoughts on you are way more complex and nuanced than they would be if I were scum.

Your posted thoughts or just your view on him so far?

I don't actually know how to accurately form that question.

[RCEnigma]

Anyway Boon you're in my "sort later" bin where you usually are, unless flippy flips scum which would shoot you way down.

Okay, like...i am thinking town Flippy, but paranoia makes me feel he could be scum, but I’m not really trying to go tryhard mode this game this early

Also, RCE or SS, who am i more afraid of when I’m scum? Who’s more of a nuisance?

Between us or out of this playerlist specifically?

[RCEnigma]

If it's just us two, probably SS. I play pretty open book past a certain point. SS has the ability to be a wildcard and is better at articulating his points.

[RCEnigma]

Don't get me wrong I'm fairly confident I can sort your alignment but it's only half the battle (See: Anime Upick).

[RCEnigma]

You guys do need to keep that in mind that it’ll forever evolve and I’ll be playing counters to you.

Since bumping heads with Morality, this is how I've approached every game we've subsequently played.

[RCEnigma]

No, he said that BW “pushing town!him back to back as nontown is above [skitt’s] scumplay”

I very recently caught antitown 3rd party Skitter via her push on me in the same way I caught Scum!Ausuka in EICN. I think it's difficult for Skitter to fake a scumread on me knowing my townplay and my potential townplay. So for Skitter to turn right around and do it again with the game we recently finished in mind would be weird to me. I have a fair bit of respect for her game as both alignments.

My theory is that it's someone like Nancy, I also briefly considered Ank given that BW admitted they don't have a lot of experience playing with me. Nancy and Skitter both have a fair amount of games with me though I don't think I've been scum in any of them?

[RCEnigma]

Also RCE where are you on itlepip now?

And do you have any short scumgames I could look at?

I'm not?

[RCEnigma]

If its super effective I think its 2hp. What Pokémon’s do you think I am?

Cubone.

[RCEnigma]

Actually NVM I have read that completely wrong. I thought you were implying your attack drained to 1 hp. But not past it. Which I assumed meant it was similar to false swipe. The only gen 1 Pokemon that learn false swipe are farfetch'd, Cubone, Scyther.....1 other??

[RCEnigma]

Idk I heard skitt is like really good as scum so I don’t see why she wouldn’t do that as scum

But yeah okay, that kinda makes sense

Which makes me okay with going avengers maybe?

I don't see scum!Skitter pushing me specifically that way.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Avengers I'm fine with this.

[RCEnigma]

My last scum game was a RAS clusterfuck but I can link it. I also have a newbie scum game that exposes my potential when playing scum and giving effort but when I roll scum I usually just...don't.

[RCEnigma]

Ah sorry, read why not where. I'm not really sure, I like itlepip less than his predecessor. A lot of my townreads are townreading him so I'm kind of just content with sheeping that read for today.

[RCEnigma]

most recent

Slums: it's a Hydra but my partner posted twice maybe? I dropped the Hydra at some point so it would be two isos to look through

[RCEnigma]

Oh man you are really making me work for it. Give me a minute.

[RCEnigma]

scum effort

Repped in with Enter heavily townspewed. Nothing special just stabilized the gamestate for scum and avoiding my own lynch.

[RCEnigma]

Wait, who are your townreads? Can you do a readslist pls?

Town town - Mastina, Book, FL, PB, Jibril
Likely town - gamma, SS, Menalque, Flippy, L&F(itlepip), kat
???? - Alchemist, chemist
Null - Deb
Likely scum - Maria, Avengers

[RCEnigma]

My cute choice. Also Marowak + Zapdos looks sick.

[RCEnigma]

Was my first choice, I got my third pick and it's a nightmare. I love it lol.

[RCEnigma]

This is my other pick. I’ll wait to let y’all see what I am when I die

Doot.

This little guy definitely says doot.

[RCEnigma]

I hope the sprites get shown when people flip. I'm super hype for my flip actually. I can't wait for people's sleep to be ruined.

[RCEnigma]

So derpy, so evil.

[RCEnigma]

Then push me.

[RCEnigma]

Still don't think bw is Skitter.

[RCEnigma]

Telling you to push your scumreads is real scum motivated.

[RCEnigma]

Lol is IM Nero?

[RCEnigma]

Sure VOTE: flippy dive bomb avengers/Deb on a town flip.

[RCEnigma]

Telling you to push your scumreads is real scum motivated.

a) We were just voting you
b) Telling someone to move off the more impactful vote to the less impactful vote on day 1 is scummy
c) You shouldn't be scumreading me here

-IM

You're pushing me as scum. Why shouldn't I scumread you?

[RCEnigma]

Then push me.

Scummy

Still don't think bw is Skitter.

? Super weird post

-IM

Analysis like this doesn't convince me you're trying to sort me.

[RCEnigma]

My stench was hated, you've all gotten used to it.

[RCEnigma]

Looks like Mastina is really a mason based on kats flip.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Avengers this faced too much resistance in favor of flippy and I don't think it was a coincidence.

That kind of implicates Menalque too but I don't mind waiting on that.

[RCEnigma]

RCEnigma (2): [hated], Avengers
itlepip (1): Alchemist21
Gamma Emerald (1): Dr Easy Bake
Katyusha (1): Pink Ball

Not Voting (2): Something_Smart, Flavor Leaf

would nuke all these slots btw except alch

[RCEnigma]

owo

okay so for the record i have like no faith in the flippy wagon actually flipping scum, the last three slots on it are kind of :grimace: (or is it grimacing i cbf to remember discord emojis) too but Whatever i had zero faith in cheeky despite pushing her hard eod1 in the last large so :L

where do you guys think you'll be looking on wagon assuming off wagon kill if this towns?

i was thinking maria not scum but the current comp is like almost all town

hhhh

idk im probably gonna be more coherent d2 when i have a chance to like read through the game (hopefully)

pedit: wig

[RCEnigma]

Famous last words.

[RCEnigma]

I think avengers was gaining traction after flippy had a pretty townie response to his wagon and you kind of diverted away from Avengers.

[RCEnigma]

Let's gooo

[RCEnigma]

I think avengers was gaining traction after flippy had a pretty townie response to his wagon and you kind of diverted away from Avengers.

I just don’t think scum!me ever makes that play tho

Like the benefits of shifting the lynch only make sense if avengers is scum, but scum!me would prob just bus there for the towncred

I’d still act a bit unsure, but ultimately I’d bus

It wasn't a hard stance, still gives room to buss down the line. I'm not one of the people that believe scum are always on a mission to buss.

[RCEnigma]

That's, not provable in any way and I don't know you. Doesn't sway me one way or the other.

[RCEnigma]

Maria is probscum I'll give you that. Kat, flippy, book, Jibril all sure town on the Maria wagon. I think Kat was spot on when she questioned her Maria read based on the wagon comp.

[RCEnigma]

Avengers is probably Nero/Nancy + friends.

[RCEnigma]

Iffy votes on Flippy where itle, Deb, avengers off the top of my head.

[RCEnigma]

FL you're in your head right now.

[RCEnigma]

We're speedrunning boys.

[RCEnigma]

Well that confirms that.

[RCEnigma]

Doing some digging on who was also in no deadlines. Can only confirm profii is not Loki so far.

[RCEnigma]

BW- Nancy
Ironman - Nero
Loki - ???
Cap - ???

[RCEnigma]

Profii died day 1 in no deadlines. But hasn't been active in a month so I doubt it's him.

Loki could be xtoxm actually.

[RCEnigma]

Well that confirms that.

Yeah, so you got one right. It’s really hard to know which you’re sucking at worse in this game rn - scumhunting or alt/hydra hunting.

Will confirm after your red flip.

[RCEnigma]

4 I think?

[RCEnigma]

If Krazy is in the Hydra it's definitely scum.

[RCEnigma]

Krazy wouldn't blatantly misread me as town. Also having played with a Nancy/Krazy town hydra, they aren't exactly cohesive as far as reads and all of the Avengers heads are pushing in the same places. Ya know...like scum with a plan do.

[RCEnigma]

BW- Nancy
Ironman - Nero
Loki - ???
Cap - ???

You don’t even have my character righter right. You’re even worse than I thought.

And despite STILL continuing to be sick as a dog with the flu, I am nevertheless





~Guess who, genius.

Nancy? The lurky one? I am shocked.

[RCEnigma]

You, your partner Maria. Kind of think you're spewing Deb but could be like a double wifom thing. Out on a limb I'd say itle.

[RCEnigma]

BW- Nancy
Ironman - Nero
Loki - ???
Cap - ???

You don’t even have my character righter right. You’re even worse than I thought.

And despite STILL continuing to be sick as a dog with the flu, I am nevertheless





~Guess who, genius.

Nancy? The lurky one? I am shocked.

I was V/LA and afk for about a week and then got/and am STILL extremely sick with the flu.

Hope you feel better soon.

[RCEnigma]

Geez. I wanna Lynch Deb too.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Avengers this faced too much resistance in favor of flippy and I don't think it was a coincidence.

That kind of implicates Menalque too but I don't mind waiting on that.

Hi, talk to me

Do you find us scummy independent of wagonomics? Why is menalque implicated too?

~ BW

So I can find examples after I read up but the way you and the rest of the Hydra heads interacted with me doesn't line up with the way I expect you to read me. (I skimmed parts so, Hi Skitter.) Initially it was just a tone/feeling read based on the soft pushing of my slot. But I think the scumread strengthens as the Hydra heads are mostly players familiar with my playstyle already.

I give a little leeway to slots I'm playing with for the first time (Like Menalque) when they call me out on my early play. Since I believe Tone > Reasoning with 0 information early and it all comes off as shitposting. Skitter we just went through you fake scumpushing me in Port Arthur so it's even more surprising here.

I already touched on the lack of Hydra dissonance, especially with Nancy as a head. I'm no expert on hydras but speak first consult later seems more natural for a town Hydra which I think leads to that conflict of reads. So 3 active heads and all of them pushing the same slots simultaneously is raising flags.

And I just thought Menalque was deflecting away from you back onto flippy eod. I think he stalled the momentum building on your alot. I think it would have been a 50/50 who gets lynched between you and flippy without that input.

[RCEnigma]

I think this is entirely NAI for both of you

Did you not see my Avengers/Deb pairing theory?

Might be NAI now, but I don’t think anything is truly ever NAI.

Dude, you modded ABoontice. How is it not obvious to you DEB is way different here? Bad town obviously but very different than in ABoontice. Duh!

Flurry of shitposting and 0 game content? It's exactly like Aboontice. But his town game is the same. I don't really read Deb I think he's like an investigative blackhole.

[RCEnigma]

I linked slums here somewhere that had town Deb being pushed hard by Nero. But I also hard checked out of that game pretty early.

[RCEnigma]

most recent

Slums: it's a Hydra but my partner posted twice maybe? I dropped the Hydra at some point so it would be two isos to look through

[RCEnigma]

VC 1.29

MariaR (6): Chemist1422, book kid, jibril, Gamma Emerald,

Katyusha

, Emperor flippyNips
Emperor flippyNips (3): itlepip, Menalque, MariaR
Dr Easy Bake (2): mastina, RCEnigma
RCEnigma (2): [hated], Avengers
itlepip (1): Alchemist21
Gamma Emerald (1): Dr Easy Bake
Katyusha (1): Pink Ball
jibril (1): [hated]
Chemist1422 (1): [hated]

Not Voting (2): Something_Smart, Flavor Leaf

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to reach a lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-07-21 21:20:00).

I seem to be twisting the facts /s

[RCEnigma]

Wow. I really am. That vote carried over from Skellen, fair enough.

[RCEnigma]

Regardless, Kat went into the night questioning her read on you which isn't insignificant.

[RCEnigma]

Yep, I apologized.

[RCEnigma]

VC 1.43

Emperor flippyNips (9): Menalque, Katyusha, Alchemist21, Dr Easy Bake, itlepip, Avengers, book kid, RCEnigma, Pink Ball
Avengers (3): Flavor Leaf, Emperor flippyNips, mastina
RCEnigma (2): [hated], MariaR
MariaR (2): jibril, Gamma Emerald
jibril (1): [hated]
Chemist1422 (1): [hated]

Not Voting (2): Something_Smart, Chemist1422

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to reach a lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-07-21 21:20:00).

So on the wagon there are 3 confirmed town in myself, Kat, book leaving (Menalque, Alch, Deb, itle, Avengers, PB)

Out of this pool scum likelihood is avengers/Menal/Alch/Deb/itle/PB. It's possible there are multiple scum ON wagon but more likely there are multiple scum OFF wagon.

Flippy is confirmed town Via flip and Mastina is town leaving FL, Maria, Gamma, Jibril, SS, Chemist.

Jibril is spewed town via oversouls replace out though I was reading town there beforehand. FL could be scum but I doubt it. It's also less important to catch FL as scum than his partners, FL will be tied to them on flips regardless.

Don't have strong reads on either non voter so Maria/Gamma/SS/Chemist is also a reasonable pool, all of which have some equity for scum.

Boom, worthless vca since it's all opinion.

[RCEnigma]

She also said

Do you find us scummy independent of wagonomics?

I find you to be scum by every metric including wagonomics.
Posting.
VCA.
Meta.
Everything points to you being scum.

You can't ignore EVERYTHING else and then complain metareads on you are off because you're sick. The meta is supplementary. Like I've been pushing your Hydra as scum before I knew anyone in the hydra. But knowing that the players in the Hydra are familiar with my townplay reaffirms my suspicions, a lot. That's not basing a case on meta that's adding meta to an existing read. Even if that part isn't accurate it isn't the Crux of the read.

[RCEnigma]

Like I don’t consider myself great at reading skitt and I know she’s a v strong scum player but I thought those posts were towny

I thought some of her later posting was townish but like she said it isn't outside of her scumrange and it doesn't make sense for me to justify a townread on the whole Hydra because one head said a thing or two that was Towny. Not when I'm reading the slot as a whole.

[RCEnigma]

RCE, I think we need to have an intervention.

I might need to talk with a friend of yours first, though.

Oh?

[RCEnigma]

I said fuck work today, I’m playing the new Fire Emblem. So you may talk to me today, and I may respond.

I'm waiting till after my vacation next week to start!! Super hype though.

[RCEnigma]

Alch what are your reads looking like right now?

[RCEnigma]

It's a weird chain right, Maria isn't really considering Avengers at all. Probably because I'm voting there and afaik avengers is townreading Deb and maybe Maria but I don't remember.

Your wall had Nancy's conflicting read with Skitter which is really the only thing that made me think I was off base on them but I look at the wagon and it's all town.

That doesn't make Avengers scum but it's for sure not a scum driven wagon.

Then with Deb it's always rough with lynchbait slots since it screws with how you look at the wagon. Like yeah he's scummy but it's also a safe push for scum to make.

[RCEnigma]

I pretty much agree with Mastinas pools so ultimately we have to decide if we are hunting on or off Flippys wagon. Doing both simultaneously is counterproductive for town.

[RCEnigma]

I prefer hunting off wagon

Also @RCE I’m kind of playing with the idea of scum thinking that you/mas/PB can get the lynch through without them needing to get on board? Which would explain why the wagon is all town if book is town

Fair take actually.

[RCEnigma]

Alch what are your reads looking like right now?

Pink and Boon are firmly in my Town pile.

SS and Maria are in my probTown list.

DEB is firmly in my scum pile.

Menalque is a bit less scummy but still very scummy.

My read on pip is back to null where pretty much every other slot is. Avengers, RCE, and FL are all probably going to stay null for me - Avengers has a bit too many heads for me to really tell and FL/RCE continue to be slots that I don’t know how to read.

One slot that is probably more Town than null is Chemist since they didn’t obvscum in their first few posts like the last time I saw them as scum.

How's boom in your town pile and your non readable nulls?

I also forgot why I asked this already.

[RCEnigma]

I can't shake the ominous feeling this is gonna bite me in the ass. UNVOTE:

[RCEnigma]

Not my business *itlesips*

[RCEnigma]

Sorry this weekend has been insane. Avengers if you read literally my next post itle answer your question. Mastina’s reads all feel totally fabricated, I don’t believe that RCE could ever be obvtown here, and things like the gamma read were terrible logic. I think mastina might overrep reads as town (I mean everyone in this game is locktowning random people). Nancy, I am sorry you’re sick and hope you feel better soon, but I feel like Nancy would be less panicked as town than scum since she doesn’t need her partners to bamboozle town. That said I did like Skitt’s posts and mastinas arguments did not change my mind. All being said I have read everything but am not positive what I think of any of the major wagons.

This is a lot of fencesitting and townblock disrupting.

[RCEnigma]

It is when scum does it.

[RCEnigma]

Scumtells don't exist.

[RCEnigma]

What are you confused about?

Just because scum do something doesn't make it a scumtell.

yeah no I know

I'm confused at RCE's response mostly

Ahh I was being facetious. Sorry.

[RCEnigma]

Ehh I didn't like the claim but yeah I think multiple docs is possible in the setup. Was already sure on Ausuka town but the cc makes it pretty clear.

Pb sound the alarm we have an avengers Lynch to tunnel.

Oh also, Alchemist is back up to town. I kinda love that take on Maria's claim.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Avengers L-2

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Avengers
Tbh I don't like how Nancy is making it all about the illness

I mean...I think this is a bad reason to hop on the wagon but a vote on scum is a vote on scum.

[RCEnigma]

I think you've been hard pocketing me FL. What do you think about that?

[RCEnigma]

I think that's fair. There are other slots that play with me often. Do you think they are purposely ignoring my town presence or they genuinely think I'm scum?