Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

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VOTE: Perry Pelican

This game has some loose relation to Guns and Roses II. Scum won that game using the alternate win condition almost immediately. FakeGod didn't seem disappointed in that result. So I think it's pretty like the caffeine loss condition is very real in this game. So don't do early claims than necessary, even in neighborhoods they're not masonries. And if your night action is weak don't use it. Doctor as an example seems kind of weak 1/10 chance of saving a townie in terms of the parity wincon 100% chance of dying with respect to the caffeine wincon.

But if you're something busted like watcher I want your results more than your ability to hold down a steady job and feed your family and stay out of rehab.

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VOTE: Marquis

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What's boonskying?

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I don't know but I think you should set it on fire.

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Marquis is aligned with the mafia

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Can you just write one post where you put it all together including the other anti town stuff I don't really want to parse this

My marquis meta is hellaold, but this is, like, town.

Why.

I’m not like confident confident in scumMarquis, but it’s more than just RVS for me.

Idk if I’ve ever played with Marquis, though

you can probably interpret that as that callout

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@

FakeGod

does the player the mafia designates to perform the factional nightkill become addicted to caffeine or is it only nonfactional abilities.

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i think you're posting in the wrong thread?

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i think you're posting in the wrong thread?

Why would that ever be a thing that would happen?

I’ll explain.

You know if you ever play face to face mafia, scum like stutter with what they say, but they catch themselves, and then they make eye contact with another player, and that player like knows they caught them, and they know they know they can’t.

RCE gave me the look.

But I can’t 1v1 him here yet because he’s got scum advantage and there’s no real reason for him being scum.

Post game look back at this for sure, though

no I'm confused about RCE not being a player in this game but I guess he's some alt

Why do people do alts it's confusing

He better not be the Pelican slot because that would be the second goddamn time he claimed my role for me in a large theme where I would have preferred to go unclaimed.

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FakeGod

does the player the mafia designates to perform the factional nightkill become addicted to caffeine or is it only nonfactional abilities.

Factional Kill does not count for caffeine addiction.

Hmm. Nevermind the everyone should always holster, I suppose.

Pops, what made you want to ask this question?

i like setups and setup design and mechanics and making things


did you know ZSS has a 1 frame jab in brawl meaning if she had inhuman reactions she could interrupt a move with 2 frames of startup? Which is every move in theg ame except her one frame jab


BUT

brawl is bugged an will input lag an extra fram 50% of the time

but you can interrupt 3 frame+ moves all the time still

which is almost everything

except MArth up b, squirtle jab, um who else has frame 2 jab

I think Sheik has frame 2 jab?


anyway

i'm rly pissed at all of you

i don't think optimal play was to out the miller neighborhoods i think optimal play was to just play mafia.

miller always claims day 1 in normal because when the cop outs with a guilty the mafia guy goes "oh I'm a miller" and then the town goes "WE HAVE NO WAY OF VERIFYING YOU ARE NOT TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS"

but in this setup
the miller is a neighborhood
literally 1 fucking other player in the neighborhood just says
"yo i can verify that this person is not talking out of their ass"
and you're good
you guys fucked up the game in the first 10 pages
which would be great if i was in scum like in guns n roses 2
but since im not
im mad
because
i argue with fakegod and i still think he is really really dumb for not realizing his dance setups are literally broken in half and i have math for it and it's not hard
but his setups still dont reward stupid self outing
like he does setups that are mafia
that's why i in his games
even this one that is closed
once lil uzi vert outed
but anyway
2 miller neighborhoods is not unheard of
there also might be a "godfather neighborhood" always investigates innocent i specc that
not that it should claim
more powerful roles are going to appear on players that are not confirmable
hypothetical godfather neighborhood do not claim
you ahve a chance
to not be a dumbass

but yes pelican who is maybe maybe not rceenigma but idc because you're being as annoying as him either way
you obviously indirectly claimed the miller neighborhood part of my role pm for this game
and in starcraft mafia it was also not direct it was indirect but it was still bad
but i guess you power mislynched me anyway and you don't lose antyhign
but what if you didn't get your mislynch what then rcenigma/maybe not rcenigma but bearing his sins in a jesuslike fashion
what then
(not mislynch as in rcenigma was scum that game)
(he was town)
(obvtown)
(well at least to the extent that people deadsheeped my opinoinso????_)

anyway
what made me think to ask the question
yeah mechanics and spec
if it their caffeine addition was heavily related to my role pm i would have pmed the question probably maybe
mostly curiosity
but like for everyone even VTS and stuff theres this whole
look
the mafia can decide who does the kill
and manipulate the coutn fakegod posts
that says
"ther are N players alive addcited to caffeine"
and we have to lynch based on that
in guns and roses you tried not to lynch people claiming to prevent us from dying ude to the alt wincon because that'd be bad
cept in lylo maybe? probalby definitely
so in that sense
it thought about it
actually i guess i should call out bingle for rolefishing
but i call everyone out for being bad

WHY DO MILLERS CLAIM DAY 1
GO BACK TO YOUR FUNDAMENTAL AXIOMS BEFORE BLINDLY PERFORMING RITUALS BY ROTE
YOU DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT
DID YOU
MY MATH PROFESSOR SAID
DON'T LOOK TO BOOKS AND LET YOUR MIND FREE TO THINK
IT IS BEAUTIFUL
YOU ARE ALL UGLY
YES THERE IS PROBABLY 1-2 SCUM IN THE SIX MILLERS BUT WHATEVER
you can jsut push them in thread
when they make a scummy post
like any other player
you don't ahve to say
"hey scum
dont shoot these players
they're unplayable
i dont share your alignment
but im helping u
because it pisses pops off
"
thank you for listening to my love poems
this has been drunkpops

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*they're unconfirmable

not unplayable

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jump in a lake jingle

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quote the aprt you don't understand

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ok
the tv shows 60 frames per second
so 1 frame is 1/60th of a second
that means when a player hits the a button
zero suit samus is depicted with her little fist in front of her 1/60th of a second afterwards and her fist is considered to be a damage zone at that time
that means it beats a 3 frame move which might show some kind of preparation animation at 1/60th of a second but is not considered a damage zone until 3/60ths of a second or 7/60ths or such
being affected by the damage disrupts the move entirely and that other character won't progress to the second animation that depicts the character preparing their attack even more, and definitely won't progress to the animation that depicts the character performing an attack and creating a damage zone, so zero suit samus has simply won and the victim character is in a state called hitstun actually that allows her to perform jab2 guaranteed UNLESS she is jigglypuff or maybe game and watch and the player is very skillfull and mashes right on the control stick hard enough to avoid the area of the damage zone of jab2

if you understand that part we can move on to the next part

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please acknowledge understanding of that part or request additional information

we will make it through this whole post if it takes all 8 days

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I understood the completely irrelevant smash bits, yeah.

1. I didn't understand why you're assuming the millers are vanilla when I literally just proved I'm not.
2. I don't understand why you think outing a miller is worse for town than letting our cop investigate a miller and waste a day, regardless of whether they will be corroborated.
3.I don't understand how I'm 'rolefishing'.
4.I don't understand why Dance or G&R are relevant to this game
5.I don't understand what a godfather neighborhood would be, or why it'd be in this game.
6.I don't understand why there's specifically 6 millers.
7.I don't understand why you think my don't target anyone in my neighborhood post for any reason has anything to do with my status as a miller. (Hint: It doesn't. There's more roles that target than just cop and none of them should target us.)

1. It doesn't matter whether millers are vanilla i didn't assume they are
2. outing a miller is def worse for the setup. today will now be based on which slots are miller instead of which slots are scummy due to social deduction
The mafia will roleblock nonmiller slots now because a neighbor-miller-cop that knows which slots not to invest is weird
in a large you are overestimating the value of a town creating a great team-based dayplay strategy versus getting 1 rando copsnipe and the mafia can now shoot the venn diagram intersection of town paragons and notmillers
3. i'm ambivalent you're not necessarily rolfeishing durnkpops will concessesesseaates this
3a. i playe dgollum in a school play once and i think gollum would say concessessate but our director decided gollum should wear a shared costume and be represented by 2 actors that represent both gollum and smeargle and it was really cool
4. dance i am probably mad and just interjecting it into irrelevant games i don't remember what i posted about dance and it was probably unwarranted
G&R the town was definitely punished for the town claiming their stuff too much and the scuym being able to shoot at that stuff that was definitely how it played out and ppl are claiming their stuff in this game
6. pelican claimed our miller neighborhood and some other people claimed some other 3 person miller neighborhood. i didn't pay enough attention to see whether marquis is a lolscum 7th miller or part of the 3 miller nieghborhood that i'm not in but whatever
7. um i didn't realize you are like miller PGOs? but uh maybe stand corrected here

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Why do people do alts it's confusing

Well, I intended to make hydra with this name, but other person was "hell, no, that name is dumb", so I just made alt instead to use sometime, when I feel in not too serious mood and this game looked like good fit for that

Also, I would like to ask you not to post more gibberish, thanks in advance for your cooperation

there's something ironic about condescion from a won't-avatar

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*condescension

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hi vecna

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Vecna
i have been nothing but good to you
in spite of your avatar

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probably

you know what would be great

if we identified the miller neighborhoods

so that the mafia could narrow down the pool that must be the cop neighborhood
that would be great page 1-10 strategy

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Why do people do alts it's confusing

Well, I intended to make hydra with this name, but other person was "hell, no, that name is dumb", so I just made alt instead to use sometime, when I feel in not too serious mood and this game looked like good fit for that

Also, I would like to ask you not to post more gibberish, thanks in advance for your cooperation

there's something ironic about condescion from a won't-avatar

How about now?

i'm really happy you got an avatar i've fulfilled my alt wincondition i can get d1 mislynched happy now

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ask kuribo

vecna if you're gonna do the mislynch pops d1 trope put your heart into it and vote me righ tnow

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I just said "can"
I don't crave it
you can have it

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pops is also she btw

She or he are both o.k. Just hate they

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Fishmonger is would be the scummiest by a lot. I'm not happy with Vecna.

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What I'm getting at is that Miller can be a role or a modifier, and the reason I was asking was because it's useful to know what all these millers have been told in their neighborhood and do you understand what I'm saying or do I have to dumb it down?

I'll give you an example: there's a huge difference between "everyone in this neighborhood is a Ninja" and "everyone in this neighborhood has the ninja modifier."

I'll let Perry answer this

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What I'm getting at is that Miller can be a role or a modifier, and the reason I was asking was because it's useful to know what all these millers have been told in their neighborhood and do you understand what I'm saying or do I have to dumb it down?

I'll give you an example: there's a huge difference between "everyone in this neighborhood is a Ninja" and "everyone in this neighborhood has the ninja modifier."

I'll let Perry answer this

Nope I'm good.

I'm informed that everyone in the neighborhood investigates as mafia

I have a modifier, "you investigate as mafia"

My concern is now that Perry doesn't need a modifier because he's just mafia and that made him struggle to answer your question

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I'm a little lost this game

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i'm very annoyed by the massclaim


VOTE: FishMonger

Bingle how does not making sense make me scummy

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How else were people going to interpret pelican's mysterious list of people that setupspec includes one scum? He was obviously going to out no there wasn't any stopping it.

Kuribo should be able to accomplish similar results to same cop by targeting one of the people in the Miller neighborhood at random and also targeting someone outside of that hood.

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It's safe for hiders to target is tho btw
We'll probably not safe for hiders to target Perry Pelican

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Bingle is having too much fun given the post quality, so probably scum

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this game is kinda sucky and you're having a good time and you prefer to play scum so it makes me think you might be scum

for instance in G&R 2 you were town and not having a good time

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FL you lynched me like page 4 in booneytunes

Why do you prefer to avoid lolwagons this time around

(I lowkey hate lolwagons but like maybe would be ok with Marquis getting lolhammered so that fewer people get a chance to

fucking out themselves day1

)

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A cop as a member of the miller neighborhood would be high swing as the town is pretty highly incentivized to lynch within the miller neighborhood. Wait why am I defending a viewpoint that has already partially been proven right, because kuribo lol-outed himself and he's not in the miller neighborhood?!?!? this game

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It's not 100% certain that there is a mafia in the miller neighborhood. I think everyone agrees it's within FakeGod's "midrange" for the whole thing to be town. The vig neighborhood I was in in a FF large theme turned out to be all town even though the idea of scum voting on the vigshot was intriguing.

It will easier to spec how many scums the miller neighborhood should have after massclaim, before that I think you should just lynch people in the miller neighborhood if you think they're scummy.

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*modrange not midrange, this PC automatically corrected the word gr

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Chandra Nalaar is the only midrange here

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Nah, im a firm believer of not making people claim in a closed setup.

You are being dumb.

It is logically fallacious to believe that adding more information into a decisionmaking process can degrade its quality. (Unless you have a bad decisionmaking process and can't actually figure out that doctor isn't strong enough to falter a lynch, etc, but let's say you're being dumb right now instead of promising me you'll be dumb later).

You need to let people claim at L-1
Especially in this setup

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wait fishmonger is pisskop?

That's really bad, pisskop has a pretty townie baseline

why are people townreading that slot?

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Why do you feel such a big need to not let Kuribo tell me that himself? Maybe im being an asshat to trigger him to see if this is an act, or he really is very triggerhappy at anyone?

You dont get a feeling of fake-rage there?

Why is what im doing not scum-motivated? You seem to hate pretty much everything I say. Do you have such a strong townread on me regardless you dont even dare point a questioning finger?

There's a difference between being bad and being mafia

Cephrir is a 2008er (maybe 07 or 09)

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Talk to me about Flavor Leaf

I've never really had to read him

He always get NKed or mislynches me day 1, or I'm scum

What are you seeing this game?

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Who are the multivoters and why do you think the multivoters are T/T?

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I just lost a sweep to scum Bingle murderlating me with multivoter though, when I had decent play reads

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I lost as punishment for mislynching twice in a 14p

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I think JJD is scummy

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@kuribo note the feature the mod mentioned in our PMs that if everyone in a neighborhood dies, the neighborhood becomes public

there's a strategy there with hiding clears if you wanna

Works better after you lynch the scum amongst you

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Same.

I have to be the most narcissistic one in the game naturally or I’m modkilled Day 3 instead of becoming IC.

It's going to be easier to tolerate you knowing you are at least this amount of self-aware

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Oh shit I'm a miller forgot to say tghat

hider can hide behind me it's safe
vecna me Chandra kuribo fish gork all town
everyone else pls start towntelljnh

This is a scumclaim
I missed it the first time around because I was thinking about the mysterious-will-not-be-fully-explained modifier and that's what the post is supposed to refference. But hiding behind a miller results in death, as a separate issue.

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VOTE: Marquis

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my role pm depicts what Krazy would call "a furry" am I supposed to roleplay

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No I scumread fish. I think gork is one of those people I want to townread for misreading me instead of scumread for misreading me. I definitely don't townread Vecna.


Chandra can just be town this game, claiming to townread me after I mostly deepwolfed Cephrir in Starry Night and after he failed to really develop a towncase on me in Guns means I'm positioned totally believe Chandra scum or nullreading me here. If she passed up the safe D1 mislynch with such discounts on the cred cost to pocket me then whatever, she can take the W, it's a bold move.

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Same.

I have to be the most narcissistic one in the game naturally or I’m modkilled Day 3 instead of becoming IC.

I feel strong urge to take you on this challenge

Note the word "naturally" was used.

FakeGod included that word to make sure the modkill condition was superfluous when he PMed this role to FlavorLeaf, since the listmod won't actually allow modkills like this one anymore.

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I'm annoyed about how FL's fakeclaim meta can let him remove himself from d1 d2 lynchpool with this crap, but on d3 he will fakeclaim a new replacement role and will not be revenge lynched.

Someone just vig him

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yiff yiff yiff yiff yiff yiff yiff

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I'm annoyed about how FL's fakeclaim meta can let him remove himself from d1 d2 lynchpool with this crap, but on d3 he will fakeclaim a new replacement role and will not be revenge lynched.

Someone just vig him

Why you scumread him so hard?

It'd be more of a policy vigging really.

It's a pretty null slot to me.

Perry Pelican's scumslip would actually create a zero-sum-game on how much scum equity FL can have left over.

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I'm annoyed about how FL's fakeclaim meta can let him remove himself from d1 d2 lynchpool with this crap, but on d3 he will fakeclaim a new replacement role and will not be revenge lynched.

Someone just vig him

Why you scumread him so hard?

It'd be more of a policy vigging really.

It's a pretty null slot to me.

Perry Pelican's scumslip would actually create a zero-sum-game on how much scum equity FL can have left over.

Can we not do this every game? It's exhausting.

I townread you in our only completed game

You seem to want the scumslip to fall off the topic rotation rather than satisfy me it wasn't a scumslip and that should make it worse even though I did actually forget about it some

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initially lynching amongst the neighborhoods that we spec to have weaker town power would be good

Marquis strikes me as such a lynch

Join me in glory Pelican

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What's the difference between stating that you are a role and claiming a role??

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Do you townread me PP
ugh
I have to clarify
Can I just call you Pelipper
it's a compliment Stockpile movesets are the best

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Do you townread me PP
ugh
I have to clarify
Can I just call you Pelipper
it's a compliment Stockpile movesets are the best

I'm struggling with it. You tend to drop a post every once in awhile that makes me think that has to come from town.

I'm construing this post as enthusiastic consent for the nickname, Pelipper.

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Pelipper is fine.

I'm construing this post to mean that I'm posting things that give you town pings every once in a while and that's giving you indecision because you have to weigh that against somewhat erratic play and an attack on your slot that is a mislynch from your POV, but overall you wouldn't shoot me if you had a dayvig shot right now.

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The point of the Chandra Nalaar account is to not roleplay and make references that break canon like "heat vision" and break my heart

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The point of the Chandra Nalaar account is to not roleplay and make references that break canon like "heat vision" and break my heart

Flame on!

I guess that's at least not DC comics.

pedit: If I could grant Pelipper the Strong modifier before this dayvig I think I would

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FakeGod included that word to make sure the modkill condition was superfluous when he PMed this role to FlavorLeaf, since the listmod won't actually allow modkills like this one anymore.

modkills ARE allowed as part of a game mechanic, for example in Uncouth Mafia

Oh
That's actually good to know for some of my open setup designings thanks for the correction

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JJD is almost drifting into too scummy to be scum territory now

None of those townreads are hottakes, posting TRs on a jillion setup-spec-TRs is such a great way to not accomplish anything while pretending to accomplish something

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My townie brownie list is looking like:
ofrhz

You townread someone for naked voting your scumread and doing absolutely nothing else?

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I then voted pops again for the lulz and also to see if they would say something but then they just ignored me : ( which is not cool and I thought pops and I were cool. I never had a strong scumread there

We are cool but pleases pick a singular pronoun for me.
It's hard to care about any one vote in a 17p.

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Don't forget to look at Pelipper if I'm NKed because I don't think I'm normally the NK in this town.

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OK, so the reason I do NOT TR pops is that -cheeky- post I made that set Cephrir off. I deliverately used "they" and pops didn't care to respond, not with a laugh and not with a groan either.

Town!pops usually comes hard after me to try and get a read (regardless of her random accuracy reading me). In this game I have done jack shit and all she got was "too scummy to be scum"??? It's as if she

knows

I'm town here and can't fake a SR on me.

On the other hand (and don't quote me on the following as I am not the best player to get a read on ofrhz) but I think ofrhz is more likely town. She is low key pushing me, which is not like what I'd expect from scum!her. Scum!ofrhz more likely gives me a weak TR or ignores me, then shoots me at night.

Also HotTake: There is zero/one scum in ofrhz/D1L/Gork, That's a MAX id 1 scum in this pool, but probably none.

I am scumreading you and it's real and it's not ambiguous in my posts.

I said "almost too scummy to be scum".

And there's pretty much always an element of irony or sarcasm to too scummy to be scum or too towny to be town. If you were genuinely confused you should have read the rest of my post(s).

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I'm bad

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I'm bad

No. That was Michael Jackson, God have mercy on his soul.

Aww

@pops: Would you care to engage me now? Would you care to show me your homework? How are your reads progressing so far?

I thought you'd ever pick me as a player to try to engage, since I'm scumreading you and you seem to think it's misguided. And I feel like my slot has little to do with where we are going with this game, I think controversial reads are going to prove more important.
I'll come back and come play with you tomorrow, trying to get offsite for the rest of the evening if I can manage it. But I think Kagami is pretty scummy for dropping me from his readslist after what seems like no apparent change besides my lynchability, there's a sample.

Well, I think most of my list stands, and people aren't presenting any exciting evidence to the contrary.

I'm fairly happy to lynch any of {fish, jjd, and D1L}. Of the people outside of my list (with offers removed), I would shed a tear or two for pops and marquis, though my sympathy for marquis declines as posting fails to happen.

I would like to hear some exciting insight from croag in the not-so-distant future, and I'm interested in understanding where penguin's head is atm.

I really dislike this lynch list

okay

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Pops town - I just looked at Marquis miller claim now (I forgot he did that and I had to go check after Jingle said it) and I saw Pop voting Marquis right away, that feels really towny

If pops is scum, what does she do differently?

I'd expect scum to discuss how to handle miller claim that is outisde of miller hood and not to jump in right away with a vote

I was unclaimed at that point and was of the view that the miller hood should go unclaimed

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Your voting powers decline over time so you best hope we lynch scum today, but it's such a waste NOT to be using your powers today (it's like being a N1 Cop/Doctor/Whatever and NOT submitting an action on N1. You feel??)

I will also say if it weren't me on the chopping block, I'd probably say this too!

But I feel that the way this wagon built up and has stayed built up feels like a lynch of convenience only later driven by faulty setup spec - like everyone else I've been looking at who's been townreading me and it's quite a few, but most of the votes on the wagon seem to have jumped on in RVS/before the miller thing was fully hashed out, and how they haven't moved should be concerning people :/

I'm annoyed I have to make this case for myself because it honestly feels silly and I'm not used to being the day 1 lynchbait

Why would you be a miller in a game with a neighborhood that investigates as town, but also, why would you be a miller, when you roleblock anyone who targets you, so a cop will always receive "no result btw you're VT now", and the cop would never have any reason to care you're a miller, and the same for hider.

There's two possibilities:
1. Occam's Razor is you just lolclaimed miller early in D1 as scum which is usually a good strategy in a large theme, but you forgot to think more about your neighborhood
2. Your role exists only to interact with some kind of Strong (can't be stopped) Loyal (only works on town) PR that's somewhere in the setup and is the most awkward peg ever, and then it's still unlikely. If that's really the case it's just bad mod beats that you'd get mislynched for it, it'd be like the time Skullduggery gave me the role "You can ask the mod a yes or no question, but only after your dead so it doesn't affect the game", then also put a role that interacted with the dead thread to create in-game advantage in the same damn game. The thing to do there is to actually not truthfully claim your role because it's such an outlier, really, but I didn't know better, and town!Marquis didn't know better. But I don't think this is a town!Marquis.


Third possibility is that you think you can hardclaim and retract claims all the time as both alignments I guess. I'm sometimes in the mood and sometimes have the energy to read through a player's bad actions and make the hard counter-LAL read, but you're not enough of an exception for me, I'd be happier with LAL.


I agree lynching Marquis because he doesn't control many votes is weak, that's not why I want to lynch him.

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since I'm scumreading you and you seem to think it's misguided.

I don't think you're misguided. I think you're "scum"guided (that's a new word. All rights reserved). Now I need to verify if that's the case.

town!pops wants to mislynch you 50% of the time so far, unfortunately, why is wanting to mislynch you scum indicative for me?

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The point of the Chandra Nalaar account is to not roleplay and make references that break canon like "heat vision" and break my heart

Flame on!

I guess that's at least not DC comics.

pedit: If I could grant Pelipper the Strong modifier before this dayvig I think I would

I'll do push-ups for it.

Pelipper learned Bulk Up!

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@pops: Would you care to engage me now? Would you care to show me your homework? How are your reads progressing so far?

orfhz is acting townier than her towngame, which is kind of a weird place to go with a meta tell but seems like a good enough reason to townbin the slot. She's being more relational than I've seen her be in previous 2 games.

Pelipper's play seems towny but like I'm going to be willing to lynch him for the rest of the game no matter how well he plays because of the scumslip. It's a tell that isn't 100% but is at an X% that certainly outclasses my accuracy at reading people with normal social deduction. Which is rather unfun for both of us.

Kagami's discussed.

D1 lynch seems townish probably.

Reads on Vecna, FL, and Jingle are progressing pretty slowly.

Once someone outed your main your posts started striking me differently, though I think it'd be irresponsible to overrate meta and completely discard my initial vibes about your slot. But counting on my fingers you're the 4th scummiest slot in the game for me so I don't think you should get worked up about that?

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Occam's Razor is you just lolclaimed miller early in D1 as scum which is usually a good strategy in a large theme, but you forgot to think more about your neighborhood

I’m in the same neighborhood and actually a miller, so...

Like, why even is Marquis being wagoned?

You are both millers

Meaning when you are targeted, the action behaves as though you are mafia

But you are in a neighborhood where you are a reflexive vanillizer

Meaning when you are targeted, the action behaves as though the action does not behave

what the eff

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It really is fascinating how this account gets run up so consistently when I'm actually playing a better and more obvious town game than I would on my main account but people just vote me because they dont like me (and convince themselves theres somehow scum equity in whatever I did to piss them off). Mafia is far more of a popularity contest than it should be.

I like you

I like Kagami

Trying really hard to fight popularity contest meta on his lynch

That's probably where things go

After this wtf stuff about miller vaniller's is sorted

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I still dont understand what's so town about ofhrz, even though I hated their recent posts less.

Have you played with ofhrz before? I find her pretty scummy when she's town; she's less scummy than that here although probably scummy for an unmeta'ed player. So I have her town.

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So is there maybe a neighborhood composed entirely of Strong Loyal people? I guess????

Their roles would not work on the Miller Vanillerizers but would work on the "investigates as mafia" people.

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@pops if ofhrz is supposed to be scummy, yet you're giving them a pass for not being scummy enough, how would you propose we ever read this player?

I am reading her I TR her right now.
She's posted a serious of post I would scumread if there was any other username next to it and I townread her for making those posts for me.
Please just trust me as though I am good at mafia.

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hider can hide behind me it's safe
vecna me Chandra kuribo fish gork all town
everyone else pls start towntelljnh

This... this actually needs votes I think.

Looking back, marquis only claimed miller super early and hasn’t claimed it again since I outed the first bit of our neighborhood.

Occam's Razor is you just lolclaimed miller early in D1 as scum which is usually a good strategy in a large theme, but you forgot to think more about your neighborhood

I’m in the same neighborhood and actually a miller, so...

Like, why even is Marquis being wagoned?

You're getting dissonant, you need to stick with 1 decision about whether to bus him man

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You can always go read the meta yourself/ask for the games but it's lots of work
I can see how it sucks
I can't pretend not to hold the beliefs I hold though etc

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I'm not good at meta, or scumhunting, or reading orfhz, or aiming night actions

I am bad at everything except vig somehow i'm extremely good at vig

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Yeah... see that’s not dissonance. That’s two separate issues. As far as I can tell, there is a valid reason to want marquis dead (baiting powerful night actions into a vanillaizer) and a wagon on marquis for moonlogicky reasons.

Being willing to lynch there doesn’t preclude trying to read the wagon forming there. I ask again, why is marquis being wagoned?

Why are you calling it moonlogic when your interpretation is only different because you have information we don't, that you are also a miller?

Marquis is acting a lot less like a reflexive miller vanillerizer than you are, in any case, and I like D1L's analysis of the way he's approaching his last stand.

@mod

If all in a particular neighborhood vacate it but one or more of them did not vacate the neighborhood by dying, will the topic become locked and readable regardless?

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VOTE: Kagami

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Spoiler: Caffeine tier list

Messed up by the setup so don't use: Tracker, Watcher, all other motion detection, rolecop, vanilla cop

The risk reward on motion based investigation is too poor until we have a redflip from the ninja neighborhood if we ever do.
Rolecop is hard to adapt into an actual alignment indication in a large theme anyway but it's even harder when the balance spec is contingent on how many scum get to be in kewl neighborhoods instead of unkewl neighborhoods. It's similarly possible someone turns out to be vanilla and it's because 2 goons get to control are particularly useful neighborhood so it's not as much of a clear as it'd usually be.

Too hard to aim for benefit so don't use: Doctor, Bodyguard, Commuter, Enhancer/Motivator, Vanillerizer, activated 1-shot BP, asceticizer, bus driver

These roles have 1/17 chances or maybe 3/17 chances of being targeted in such a way that they are protown, taking into account possible negative consequences of misses. They can to some extent be revisited and considered lategame if the caffeine count is healthy but should still be holstered even if they are unlimited shots because they would definitely also be the roles to holster in the low caffeine count endgame. There is no way to improve the caffeine count by using a protective ability for the first time, even if you target an unaddicted player with it.

Sane cop or Close Enough: Gunsmith, Masonizer, Sane cop, Psychologist, kuribo, Hider or any other weak role provided you've properly crumbed

I would use all of these for their sheer power even with X=1. The only exception would be holstering the weak roles with X=1 or X=2, but I would recommend spamming the weak roles if they are ungated. The death drawback of the weak role always strikes an addicted player, the weak player themselves, but if it catches scum it helps the decaffeinated players win.

Vigs: Vigilante, Town poisoner?, Loverizer

I would use all of these as long as they are at least X=2, holster them all at X=1. While they may seem hard to aim for benefit similar to the protective, there's always at least 4/17 good places to hit and it's actually more like 10/17 when you also consider possibly hitting a player that would have been mislynched. These roles accelerate the pace of the game itself, and thus decrease the length of time the decaffeinated players need to survive.

Self clears: Activated IC, friendly neighbor,

Fruit Vendor no not really don't you goddamn dare

It is better to claim these at L-1 and use them the following night. Don't tell yourself you need multiple nights to land that friendly neighbor shot on surviving town, mafia's a game of percentages to begin with, just live with it.
After the LyLo-1 lynch, assess whether the caffeine count is healthy enough that firing this can improve our odds in LyLo.

Roleblockers: Roleblocker, Jailkeeper

If ungated, these are so busted at playercounts closer to LyLo you should start using them now, treating their eventual use as a foregone conclusion where the doctors don't.
As X-shots, since they are more powerful later you should holster them until later when it is easier to hit the scum designated to perform the kill for the 2 for 1 value, and you also have the additional information about caffeine status, which really tips the scales. An endgame scenario also makes it easier for us to not get concerned about you having a role that is often given to scum. Don't fire night 1 unless you literally or figuratively ungated, like X=4.

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Spoiler: JJD scumcase

as bad as fishs scummy terrible bad scumclaiming vote currently is
i dont really see anything scummy beyond that

I don't see it I think Fish is town especially because hes defneding me who is town against someone voting me who might not be town. Thats town

Why is that town and WKing?

It bothered me you didn't go into a stance here.

Pine [5] - Gorkington, Bingle x4

First confident

mechanical

read: Bingle must be town. I can't imagine scum being given this voting power AND an alternative win con. (I know he said it declined over time, but still.)

I don't reach this conclusion off my role PM, but this conclusion seems reachable off 4 role PMs, so I'm concerned.

Now that I read ..

@

FakeGod

does the player the mafia designates to perform the factional nightkill become addicted to caffeine or is it only nonfactional abilities.

Factional Kill does not count for caffeine addiction.

Hmm. Nevermind the everyone should always holster, I suppose.

Pops, what made you want to ask this question?

i like setups and setup design and mechanics and making things


did you know ZSS has a 1 frame jab in brawl meaning if she had inhuman reactions she could interrupt a move with 2 frames of startup? Which is every move in theg ame except her one frame jab


BUT

brawl is bugged an will input lag an extra fram 50% of the time

but you can interrupt 3 frame+ moves all the time still

which is almost everything

except MArth up b, squirtle jab, um who else has frame 2 jab

I think Sheik has frame 2 jab?


anyway

i'm rly pissed at all of you

i don't think optimal play was to out the miller neighborhoods i think optimal play was to just play mafia.

miller always claims day 1 in normal because when the cop outs with a guilty the mafia guy goes "oh I'm a miller" and then the town goes "WE HAVE NO WAY OF VERIFYING YOU ARE NOT TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS"

but in this setup
the miller is a neighborhood
literally 1 fucking other player in the neighborhood just says
"yo i can verify that this person is not talking out of their ass"
and you're good
you guys fucked up the game in the first 10 pages
which would be great if i was in scum like in guns n roses 2
but since im not
im mad
because
i argue with fakegod and i still think he is really really dumb for not realizing his dance setups are literally broken in half and i have math for it and it's not hard
but his setups still dont reward stupid self outing
like he does setups that are mafia
that's why i in his games
even this one that is closed
once lil uzi vert outed
but anyway
2 miller neighborhoods is not unheard of
there also might be a "godfather neighborhood" always investigates innocent i specc that
not that it should claim
more powerful roles are going to appear on players that are not confirmable
hypothetical godfather neighborhood do not claim
you ahve a chance
to not be a dumbass

but yes pelican who is maybe maybe not rceenigma but idc because you're being as annoying as him either way
you obviously indirectly claimed the miller neighborhood part of my role pm for this game
and in starcraft mafia it was also not direct it was indirect but it was still bad
but i guess you power mislynched me anyway and you don't lose antyhign
but what if you didn't get your mislynch what then rcenigma/maybe not rcenigma but bearing his sins in a jesuslike fashion
what then
(not mislynch as in rcenigma was scum that game)
(he was town)
(obvtown)
(well at least to the extent that people deadsheeped my opinoinso????_)

anyway
what made me think to ask the question
yeah mechanics and spec
if it their caffeine addition was heavily related to my role pm i would have pmed the question probably maybe
mostly curiosity
but like for everyone even VTS and stuff theres this whole
look
the mafia can decide who does the kill
and manipulate the coutn fakegod posts
that says
"ther are N players alive addcited to caffeine"
and we have to lynch based on that
in guns and roses you tried not to lynch people claiming to prevent us from dying ude to the alt wincon because that'd be bad
cept in lylo maybe? probalby definitely
so in that sense
it thought about it
actually i guess i should call out bingle for rolefishing
but i call everyone out for being bad

WHY DO MILLERS CLAIM DAY 1
GO BACK TO YOUR FUNDAMENTAL AXIOMS BEFORE BLINDLY PERFORMING RITUALS BY ROTE
YOU DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT
DID YOU
MY MATH PROFESSOR SAID
DON'T LOOK TO BOOKS AND LET YOUR MIND FREE TO THINK
IT IS BEAUTIFUL
YOU ARE ALL UGLY
YES THERE IS PROBABLY 1-2 SCUM IN THE SIX MILLERS BUT WHATEVER
you can jsut push them in thread
when they make a scummy post
like any other player
you don't ahve to say
"hey scum
dont shoot these players
they're unplayable
i dont share your alignment
but im helping u
because it pisses pops off
"
thank you for listening to my love poems
this has been drunkpops

I have but only one reaction in mind:

Vote pops for president

Disclaimer: It's not that I like it. It's that it's basically another Microsoft document that goes on and on and on about the whole thing, but basically tells you nothing, It's a political speech, not a game post.

This reads an awful lot like trying to undermine people for townreading me *in-advance*. So when I'm the wagon you want to push later, I'm all the more concerned. And you aren't deathtunneling me to the point where I would actually believe you'd get concerned that pops is 99% scum and all townreads of pops feed your deepwolfpops loss condition. It's reminiscent of how RC caught wgeurts in Old Newbies.

pops is also she btw

She or he are both o.k. Just hate they

This is important: use he or she when referring to pops as they hate being referred to as they.

You hadn't outed yourself as an alt yet, so I'm not sure how I would have responded to this if you had. I still might not have responded though, it generally takes actual effort to mispronoun someone once you've become aware of a preference, so I didn't feel I needed to be concerned about it being a continued issue. Nero Cain made an almost identical post in Not_known 15's large normal and I also ignored him there.
As a stranger I thought you could potentially launch a gamelong campaign to use the pronoun that agitates me, and the best strategy for minimizing the probability of that would be to ignore you until you're too forgetful to use a different one from whatever the last poster used instead of drawing attention to it.

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I am bad at everything except vig somehow i'm extremely good at vig

I'm betting if you had a vig shot to use right now you'd be shooting a townie.

If you win you get to keep your avi. If you lose though you get to change to Scholarship Student Isis. Whaddayasay?

I wholeheartedly accept

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Once someone outed your main your posts started striking me differently, though I think it'd be irresponsible to overrate meta and completely discard my initial vibes about your slot. But counting on my fingers you're the 4th scummiest slot in the game for me so I don't think you should get worked up about that?

Do/did you think my main and my other alt played the same? If not, why would you assume this one should follow either?

It's not so much about applying meta tells versus overall confidence in my reads being different. I think my reads on you are much more accurate the more posts I have on you, on all your accounts, for varying reasons. By D2 in rolecall I was depressingly unsure you were scum but was townreading so much of everywhere else.

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If Judge Joseph Dredd wins as a bastard role, I will change my avatar to Beautiful and Intelligent Scholarship Student Isis.

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I changed my avatar to Scholarship Student Isis on page 10 when Chandra started townreading me to reward her with cute avi love but I'm not sure that was allowed.

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I have little idea why Bingle thinks FakeGod massclaimproofs his setups but doesn't bother with follow-the-cop-proofing them, or even follow-the-cop-proofing them X% of the time.
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Commuter is essentially a doc protect you can only aim at yourself. It is only relevant if you are the NK. You become caffeine addicted 100% of the time and you actually prevent a kill 1/16th of the time (I put 1/17th in the post cause I skipped the lynch, but still a sliver).

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I changed my avatar to Scholarship Student Isis on page 10 when Chandra started townreading me to reward her with cute avi love but I'm not sure that was allowed.

Can you change your avvy to Scholarship Student Isis for me? Every game where you haven't you've been scum, so I think it might be a trust tell I can abuse.

I'll do it once you catch me 1 scum, I have to make you work for it.

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docing known strong roles seems like a fine exception

It potentially costs multiple caffeinations. I'd at least suggest that the protectives flip a coin about whether to do it. I'm mostly just off it, I've never played a closed FakeGod but people say he's a "good mod" and "good mod"s put a follow-the-cop disruption in.

pedit: Mastina is bonkers on mafia theory
she also believes in never fakeclaiming as scum which is from the getgo look you never say never
I think she has good dayplay but runs into some logical ruts on theory

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Yes as of the post I was discussing I did not know JJD was an alt. So I was dealing with a stranger.

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You are so proud of how distinctly your alts play so why does it surprise you I didn't know who you were. No one told me

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If Judge Joseph Dredd wins as a bastard role

My role isn't bastard. In fact it aligns with the Normal Roles Guidelines.

Beautiful and intelligent scholarship student isis has slightly different art and weaker powers.
So the joke is I have to make the avatar bet impossible to win

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Vig is a beautiful role. It directly fulfills the town win condition when you aim at scums and they die.

The cowardice in this thread is appalling

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If the mafia roleblocked the vig when said vig announced they were shooting Who, doesn't that strongly imply Who is scum?

Isn't that the wine in front?

No, I already explained why it's proscum to block the shot even if it's on town, so long as the town is sufficiently lynchbaity.

Jingle thinks vigs are protown, at least when you ask the exact same question differently in a different game

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What I'm getting at is that Miller can be a role or a modifier, and the reason I was asking was because it's useful to know what all these millers have been told in their neighborhood and do you understand what I'm saying or do I have to dumb it down?

I'll give you an example: there's a huge difference between "everyone in this neighborhood is a Ninja" and "everyone in this neighborhood has the ninja modifier."

I'll let Perry answer this

What I'm getting at is that Miller can be a role or a modifier, and the reason I was asking was because it's useful to know what all these millers have been told in their neighborhood and do you understand what I'm saying or do I have to dumb it down?

I'll give you an example: there's a huge difference between "everyone in this neighborhood is a Ninja" and "everyone in this neighborhood has the ninja modifier."

I'll let Perry answer this

Nope I'm good.

JJD asked about the slip, this is where Pelipper is outed as scum.
We are informed in our role PM that everyone in our neighborhood investigates as scum. We are not informed the reason each individual in our neighborhood investigates as scum, just that we all do.

Kuribo asked whether we each have a modifier on our roles giving us the "investigates as scum" quality, or whether we don't. In the latter case the entire neighborhood would be composed of mafia and millers, since miller is the only role that doesn't need a modifier to investigate as mafia.

Pelipper declines to answer the question and incriminate himself. If Flavor Leaf and I are both simply Millers, then it will sound fishy if he claims he is a vig with a "checks as scum" modifier or a doctor with a "checks as scum" modifier or etc. If Flavor Leaf and I are vigs/doctors/cops etc with the "checks as scum" modifier, it will sound suspicious if he claims he doesn't have a modifier. (it's actually not that suspicious if he's a miller, but he really missed the timing on his shot for claiming miller.)

In reality, I do have a modifier. The modifier is integral to my identity as my furriness and it applies even if I leave the neighborhood.

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vigs just need to shoot consensus targets and not their own vanity reads, plus know when to stop shooting

I agree on an intellectual level and plan to immediately adopt this approach after completing my first vig game where my vanity reads were not mysteriously incredible.

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What I'm getting at is that Miller can be a role or a modifier, and the reason I was asking was because it's useful to know what all these millers have been told in their neighborhood and do you understand what I'm saying or do I have to dumb it down?

I'll give you an example: there's a huge difference between "everyone in this neighborhood is a Ninja" and "everyone in this neighborhood has the ninja modifier."

I'll let Perry answer this

What I'm getting at is that Miller can be a role or a modifier, and the reason I was asking was because it's useful to know what all these millers have been told in their neighborhood and do you understand what I'm saying or do I have to dumb it down?

I'll give you an example: there's a huge difference between "everyone in this neighborhood is a Ninja" and "everyone in this neighborhood has the ninja modifier."

I'll let Perry answer this

Nope I'm good.

JJD asked about the slip, this is where Pelipper is outed as scum.
We are informed in our role PM that everyone in our neighborhood investigates as scum. We are not informed the reason each individual in our neighborhood investigates as scum, just that we all do.

Kuribo asked whether we each have a modifier on our roles giving us the "investigates as scum" quality, or whether we don't. In the latter case the entire neighborhood would be composed of mafia and millers, since miller is the only role that doesn't need a modifier to investigate as mafia.

Pelipper declines to answer the question and incriminate himself. If Flavor Leaf and I are both simply Millers, then it will sound fishy if he claims he is a vig with a "checks as scum" modifier or a doctor with a "checks as scum" modifier or etc. If Flavor Leaf and I are vigs/doctors/cops etc with the "checks as scum" modifier, it will sound suspicious if he claims he doesn't have a modifier. (it's actually not that suspicious if he's a miller, but he really missed the timing on his shot for claiming miller.)

In reality, I do have a modifier. The modifier is integral to my identity as my furriness and it applies even if I leave the neighborhood.

Except it also states it explicitly in the neighborhood pt. I don't know what the last line is about, I didn't know leaving neighborhoods was a thing?

yeah the marquis neighborhood has the ability to make you leave your neighborhood this was revealed a couple pages ago

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Except it also states it explicitly in the neighborhood pt.

The statement in the role PM is a Provides Information thing, it doesn't create the characteristic in question.

For me it is the modification to my role that creates the characteristic in question.

For you it is your alignment that creates the characteristic in question, although a redundant modifier would probably have been a good idea.

Maybe you are hinting you will claim a homebrew miller variant or something weird that does not need a modifier that inherently investigates as mafia like, "whenever someone targets you, no matter what the action is, even if they just tried to give you Fruit, they just get a PM that says 'Pelipper is mafia' "

I'm excited to be wow'ed in massclaim I guess


PEDIT: you're calling it a shared modifier, and it's actually the second time. I HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL MODIFIER. INDIVIDUALLY. There is a declarative statement to the effect that "it happens to be the case that anyone who cops any of these three people get a guilty", and then an additional statement, which to be read as not redundant to the previous one has the only one creating the existence of a special ability, that says "you like eating garbage out of the trash, yiffing, you got detention 3 times in third grade, and whenever cops you they get mafia".

You only even think the Informed element of the neighborhood is a "shared modifier" because you don't have a town role PM

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yeah the marquis neighborhood has the ability to make you leave your neighborhood this was revealed a couple pages ago

Would hood modifiers still apply? Like if you joined another hood do you still invest as mafia?

That's possibly strong.

Oh my law

you keep claiming scum

closed setups are a nightmare

no one will lynch it anyway

which is nice because there is nothing satisfying about catching a scum off aberrations and wrinkles in a closed setup like this

but not nice in the sense that I prefer to win all my games of mafia instead of lose them



there's no way town!Pelipper even has to ask if he keeps the modifier if he leaves the neighborhood it's totally unambiguous that the modifier stays.

(it probably doesn't survive the vanillerization associated with Marquis's neighborhood in particular, ofc though)

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let's make a deal

we lynch kagami

if he flips town you let me deathtunnel you until one of us dies

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Well I mean you have a factional NK so yeah

Pelipper if you had read the sample role PM in the OP that actually would have explained to you that the neighborhood characteristics are Informed and not a grant of the ability, since the one in the OP fails to grant anyone in particular an ability. So you could have avoided scumclaiming that way. For next time.


hoods are kuribo hood: it happens to be the case that everyone in this hood is ninja
marquis-bingle-vecna: it happens to be the case that everyone is reflexive vanillerizer
FL-pops-Pelipper: it happens to be the case that everyone in this hood investigates as mafia

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yeah the marquis neighborhood has the ability to make you leave your neighborhood this was revealed a couple pages ago

Would hood modifiers still apply? Like if you joined another hood do you still invest as mafia?

That's possibly strong.

Oh my law

you keep claiming scum

closed setups are a nightmare

no one will lynch it anyway

which is nice because there is nothing satisfying about catching a scum off aberrations and wrinkles in a closed setup like this

but not nice in the sense that I prefer to win all my games of mafia instead of lose them



there's no way town!Pelipper even has to ask if he keeps the modifier if he leaves the neighborhood it's totally unambiguous that the modifier stays.

(it probably doesn't survive the vanillerization associated with Marquis's neighborhood in particular, ofc though)

What? You were JUST arguing that the hood modifier and your role are separate entities. So why would the hood modifier still apply if you leave the hood? What I'm getting at is shuffling hoods has the potential to hard confirm alignments.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT A HOOD MODIFIER
IT'S MY PERSONAL MODIFIER
I'LL STILL HAVE A BAD LEFT KNEE
I'LL STILL GET WEIRD CHILLS WHEN I HEAR AN UNDERTALE SONG I REALLY LIKE
I'LL STILL BE ATTRACTED TO OTHER FURRY ANIMALS
I'LL STILL INVESTIGATE AS MAFIA

I WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO VIEW THE MESSAGE IN THE PT -INFORMING- EVERYONE THAT THE RESIDENTS INVESTIGATE AS MAFIA FOR THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL REASONS

BUT I'M GONNA ASK JJD TO WRITE IT IN HIS NOTES SINCE I'M TOO LAZY TO TAKE NOTES AND MAYBE HE CAN REMIND ME

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If you two are just scum together probably ought to NK me that would seem optimal

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If you two are just scum together probably ought to NK me that would seem optimal

I see why you could be annoyed by the chemistry RCE-Myself have.

I would be annoyed by town chemistry with outed scum. It's less annoying if you're scum together so I weave that fantasy, even though setup spec would hint towards just 1 scum in the neighborhood

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yeah the marquis neighborhood has the ability to make you leave your neighborhood this was revealed a couple pages ago

Would hood modifiers still apply? Like if you joined another hood do you still invest as mafia?

That's possibly strong.

Oh my law

you keep claiming scum

closed setups are a nightmare

no one will lynch it anyway

which is nice because there is nothing satisfying about catching a scum off aberrations and wrinkles in a closed setup like this

but not nice in the sense that I prefer to win all my games of mafia instead of lose them



there's no way town!Pelipper even has to ask if he keeps the modifier if he leaves the neighborhood it's totally unambiguous that the modifier stays.

(it probably doesn't survive the vanillerization associated with Marquis's neighborhood in particular, ofc though)

What? You were JUST arguing that the hood modifier and your role are separate entities. So why would the hood modifier still apply if you leave the hood? What I'm getting at is shuffling hoods has the potential to hard confirm alignments.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT A HOOD MODIFIER
IT'S MY PERSONAL MODIFIER
I'LL STILL HAVE A BAD LEFT KNEE
I'LL STILL GET WEIRD CHILLS WHEN I HEAR AN UNDERTALE SONG I REALLY LIKE
I'LL STILL BE ATTRACTED TO OTHER FURRY ANIMALS

I'LL STILL INVESTIGATE AS MAFIA

I WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO VIEW THE MESSAGE IN THE PT -INFORMING- EVERYONE THAT THE RESIDENTS INVESTIGATE AS MAFIA FOR THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL REASONS

BUT I'M GONNA ASK JJD TO WRITE IT IN HIS NOTES SINCE I'M TOO LAZY TO TAKE NOTES AND MAYBE HE CAN REMIND ME

this is only the case if you aren’t vanilla’d by that Vanilla neighborhood.

How else would you leave neighborhood?

If you were referring to the reflexive vanillaizer then join them, then this is a scum slip

I doubt all the neighborhoods have claimed, there's only 9 slots of claimed neighborhood in a 17p game. I expect at least 12 slots since it's clearly a game theme. If I think of the other 1-2 neighborhood as some mishmash of the other ones it can easily have the "visiting this neighborhood absorbs you to it" ability without the separate vanillerizer ability.

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There can also be other PRs that affect neighborhood membership?
You know like neighborizer?
From obscure corners of the site like whitelisted "Normal Queue roles"?

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a. Making up a role that simply does the opposite of a normal queue role is a pretty level 1 theme role, so deneighborizer on its own might exist.
b. it's already clear this overall game design is meant avoid dual neighborhood membership, otherwise the vanilliser neighborhood would just be dual membership

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No, I'm suggesting "i'm letting you know that everyone in this PT investigates as mafia" and "i'm letting you know that everyone investigates as mafia for their own reasons" is the same statement, since we didn't receive an additional ability saying something like "Because you live in this neighborhood, you investigate as mafia".

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That I investigate as mafia but it's not clear cut if it's because of the neighborhood or the neighborhood all investigates as mafia because of their roles.

It's clearcut in mine

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Meaning you have a modifier that says informed?

Essentially my role PM says I investigate as mafia twice, the first time it says the neighborhood investigates as mafia, then it says "furry character flavorname man" investigates as mafia

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Spoiler: Role PMs

Name -

Dapper Owl

Job -

Company Owner

Alignment -

Town

The Birdcage

You have access to the

The Birdcage PT

. You also know that there are total of 5 votes controlled by the players of this PT.

Abilities

You are a

1-shot Jailkeeper

.

Town Win Condition

You win when all

Mafia

-aligned players are

dead

, and there is at least one

Town

-aligned player

alive

.

Spoiler: Dead Horse

This is the OP sample
It is obvious that Dapper Owl's access to the birdcage does not in and of itself grant him any abilities
In the abilities section he would hope to be excited to find out that he controls 3 votes, but alas, he is only a 1-shot jailkeeper.
Dapper Owl naturally surmises that at least one other bird in the 2 player birdcage has a line in his abilities that says "you control 4 votes."
He surmises that because the format of this role PM shows him that's how the Birdcage Informed truth nugget would be maintained. That's the only way, since it doesn't say "You know that there are a total of 5 votes among these players because you control 1 of them" or whatever.

I opened a similar PM.
Rather than knowing that at least 1 person must have a certain ability the way Dapper Owl knows, I know that -everyone- else must have a certain ability to meet the condition I was informed of in my neighborhood truth nugget - except perhaps mafia, who wouldn't need an ability. However, unlike Dapper Owl's Informed truth nugget, the nature of the ability itself doesn't clearly convey that the Neighborhood section is insufficient to grant characteristics that make the truth nugget true. So a mafiosi missing the ability might spend 50 pages referring to a shared ability, an ability that might go away if they leave their neighborhood, a neighborhood characteristic rather than a "modifier", and then finally figure out the issue on page 50.

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Yes, of course FL. It is the same thing I have been saying, but I am not going to insist I communicated in the best possible way.

Realizing I can stay a safe distance from pm quoting territory while being more specific by using the sample PM in the OP hopefully helped but if 100% of the people get it by hearing it from FL, however we get there.

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I wasn't adamant about lynching him D1 even though it's a straight scumslip because I figure the Mafiosi that gets to dodge the cop doesn't get to be the same one that gets the scary powers like forcible caffeine addiction or roleblock.

But I guess it's probably optimal to swallow the unsporting hunt and remove whatever powers he has from the game rather than lynch something that might flip town.

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You still kinda have to lynch Pelipper because he is scum roleblocker or scum rolecop or whatever he actually is and Flavor Leaf might not actually be vig because he's Flavor Leaf he'd hard claim anything really.

In guns and roses he claimed 3 roles per day phase as town, it's only 2 so far today but he still has time to meet or exceed his average.

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I kinda like fishmonger lynch

I'm sorry I derailed your lynch kuribo

If I had the magical bullets Pelipper thought I might have I would have just silently shotted him so as not to traffic jam the dayplay so much.

Alas I do not, the games where I fantasize about being a vig are generally the games I am not actually a vig, much like the weeks I fantasize about ice cream are the weeks I am on my diet rather than off of it.

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You still kinda have to lynch Pelipper because he is scum roleblocker or scum rolecop or whatever he actually is and Flavor Leaf might not actually be vig because he's Flavor Leaf he'd hard claim anything really.

In guns and roses he claimed 3 roles per day phase as town, it's only 2 so far today but he still has time to meet or exceed his average.

If FL is town-fakeclaiming he's put a lot of work into making the fakeclaim believable, which is probably scumleaf. If Perry the Platypus is fakeclaiming as most roles, scum saving him is fine. I'll explain why tomorrow.

If either of them is realclaiming, we have the same 1v1 tomorrow in the worst case scenario. In the best case scenario, we have a dead scum and a conftown townie.

This isn't subjective read territory, this is about what is mechanically correct.

I think town!Bingle is a little more pragmatic than this. Or better at mechanics than this.

If you agree on Pelipper scum at 90%, why is it worth running people up to L-1 and outing their roles repeatedly for the rest of the day until we find someone safe to lynch? You wanna go out a gunsmith and a tracker and then find a VT that will be sober all his life, then lynch him, then let town!FL get addicted to caffeine in the process of shooting Perry?

Assuming

nothing in hotel california role madness can disrupt that.

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IDK if I've ever lined up more than 1 mislynch in a row as scum but remind me to ask LLD and RC if that's how I could improve my scumgame.

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I like playing close to the vest but don't mind saying that when gunsmiths visit me they "get no gun"

fun trivia tho

when sane cops visit me

they get

"popsofctown is mafia"

inb4 this is the only post the croag replace-in reads on catchup

pedit: not answering whether my role has special tie-ins with vigs or not BUT I am a furry.

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typoed quote placement whoops

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I'm told I investigate as mafia. And that the members of our hood investigate as mafia.

What I'm getting at is that Miller can be a role or a modifier, and the reason I was asking was because it's useful to know what all these millers have been told in their neighborhood and do you understand what I'm saying or do I have to dumb it down?

I'll give you an example: there's a huge difference between "everyone in this neighborhood is a Ninja" and "everyone in this neighborhood has the ninja modifier."

I'll let Perry answer this

Nope I'm good.

If you skimmed your role PM in the first place, and didn't reread your role PM to provide kuribo an accurate response here, then in that 10% universe where you're town here, then your laziness is the cause of this mislynch, don't be mad at me.

Because you didn't begin posting with the style of having 2 red check blurbs as opposed to just the one anywhere in this thread until

after

FL and I said we do, one after another. And I originally put you on the spot here in front of kuribo to achieve that sequencing intentionally.

It's a little dirty and angleshooty and I feel bad about it but maybe I'll cause FakeGod to run an even higher percentage of opens, woo.

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I would prefer perfume over cologne pls


Pelipper I want us to both die in this game so we can queue for a funner game together and have fun. I like you and I think this one has wound up a little stupid.

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I mean to be fair I would prefer you not vig me either!

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I'm lying, but only to myself

I'm procrastinating the vote because it's a gross way to win, as a social deduction game Pelipper has played well, as someone having to compensate for closed setup irregularities, yuck

The reason as of now is I don't want to end the day, croag needs to be replaced, Gorkington needs to post at least a little, etc.

I don't know if my vote is on Marquis right now or not but UNVOTE:

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See, of all the things I don't understand, I understand murder.

And I understand you sure as shit don't keep waving your gun around about how you're vigging someone without even bothering to vote them.

I have claimed not vig. FL has claimed vig.

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Oh that was directed to Pelipper

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Pelipper knows how to describe his role now, the majority of the problematic posts are before FL and I provided more info.
This is like letting a mafia rescind and claim vanilla after they get counterclaimed. That's not how this works.

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No d1 lynch that is outside the spirit of mafia and Pelipper don't you dare do that

when you paraphrase your rolecard your max out the "para" in paraphrase in communicating what information the mod provided to you, not how he provided it. You don't figure out some bare minimum level of paraphrasing that might not result in enforcement actions but still gains advantage off formatting or diction or copypastas.

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someone with less experience with FL while taking his claim at face value is null
someone with a lot of experience with FL while taking his claim at face value is worth scrutinizing.

What do you think about the application of this to Bingle?

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Croag don't claim your neighborhood pls

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idk if i believe FL?

do you believe pelican though
is probably the more interesting question?

What do you think about the application of this to Bingle?

is there something specific that Bingle said in relation to this?
from what i can tell it looks like hes considered the possibility of flavor fakeclaiming here.

You still kinda have to lynch Pelipper because he is scum roleblocker or scum rolecop or whatever he actually is and Flavor Leaf might not actually be vig because he's Flavor Leaf he'd hard claim anything really.

In guns and roses he claimed 3 roles per day phase as town, it's only 2 so far today but he still has time to meet or exceed his average.

If FL is town-fakeclaiming he's put a lot of work into making the fakeclaim believable, which is probably scumleaf. If Perry the Platypus is fakeclaiming as most roles, scum saving him is fine. I'll explain why tomorrow.

If either of them is realclaiming, we have the same 1v1 tomorrow in the worst case scenario. In the best case scenario, we have a dead scum and a conftown townie.

This isn't subjective read territory, this is about what is mechanically correct.

He is casting lots of shade on the idea that townFL could be fakeclaiming here.
The townFL I have played with could be fakeclaiming here.

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has anyone claimed the neighbourhood im in yet? kek

Not publicly, but at this point it's pretty much public knowledge who is where. Your hood ability hasn't been claimed though and you shouldn't do that

o ok i need to read more

whats a hood ability

Something that applies to all members in your hood and should be in your rolecard and in your hood

Thus far we have hood, where everyone are ninjas, hood, where all members investigates as mafia and hood, where people are reflexive roleblockers, vanilaizers and would recruit people, while forcing to leave their previous hood, if they target member of this hood

Your hood is unknown and you should keep it that way

Is it really wise to keep town in the dark? neighbourhoods are best assumed to be infiltrated by scum, because in all likelyhood, at the very least 50% of them are.

4/17 scum
Except 3/16 because Pelipper is scum and he's not in croag hood.

Presume 3 players in the Croag neighborhood.

From POV of town!Croag, 2 players in Croag neighborhood, scum Croag does whatever she wants, ignores protown concepts of claiming and whatever.
12/15*11/14=63% chance Croag's neighborhood contains no scum.

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VOTE: Pelipper

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Vecna whenever you hammer can you link my PR advice post: post 1034

The only role without consensus was vig and uh let me tell you something about Flavor Leaf he's going to shoot people no matter who wins the debate team meet.

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^^Wants to get tracked visiting and dead body and still be allowed to fakeclaim Fruit Vendor

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Mafia knows based on their team PRs and the public claims what PRs are likely to exist. We shouldn't be completing the puzzle for them by making it known which roles will actually act.

oh, right, since I said sane cop should always act, the scum are going to just not roleblock kuribo and are going to roleblock the sane cop, who is obviously FakeGod.

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okay okay waistdeep in pre-flip assoc arguments = time to end the day

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I was responding to Chandra and orfhz not gorkington

I thought about peditting to let you know that Pine has done this twice recently as town, in G&R1 and Anyone Can Post

but I am trying to keep my post volume down because I'm probably already overposting

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Chandra will definitely be rude to me the next time I say something she disagrees with for inherent reasons but hey we can see what orfhz does I'm not sure

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im so smrt. X'|
im gonna go sit in the corner and think about what i did.

I thought about peditting to let you know that Pine has done this twice recently as town, in G&R1 and Anyone Can Post

bleh.
so he literally just lurked out the entire game?

but I am trying to keep my post volume down because I'm probably already overposting

i feel like your posting content has been productive so its probably not a big deal if theres more of it?

He showed up after he was more able to post for RL reasons. There was confirmation bias on how his lurking was interpreted and also I think his reads would have been more accurate if he had been able to keep up instead of doing catchups. I also mislynched him though a claim that was explained to me later as being verifiably conftown but I didn't understand the setup


My instinct is that my win% goes down if I post too much and create spotlight inequality, but it's possibly the case that it goes up if the fluff proportion is low. I can't be sure.

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I feel like Gorkington is probably town
But I cannot sponsor his endeavor

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Bingle is very scummy but Pelican has a higher probability to flip red and immediately remove some red power from the game.

I want to say "much" higher because Pelican is pretty close to confscum.
But Bingle is trying to race up there too.

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I can see how "lynch Bingle and let the vigs cross shoot" is different from "intend to make the vigs cross-shoot while still taking almost no stances until deadline except to write choose your own adventure books about the caffeine mechanic".

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i dont really see how disliking bingle for detracting from a wagon without providing an alternative is an anti-endorsement of anything else he was saying.

There's approximately a zero chance Bingle gets lynched today at this rate, so really you're voting Bingle for the same thing you're doing.

This is true and I think it'd bad dayplay yet I also townread it, especially with the timing.

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pretend im stupid
and i need to be hit in the face with very blunt and direct reasoning why someone is scum

is there a way to convey why its almost definitely the case that pelican cant be town who just didnt check their rolePM and latched onto the PT description?

Because you're criticizing and voting Bingle for detracting from a wagon while detracting from that same wagon.

And if you say oh well he didn't offer an alternative, it's like... neither are you. There's approximately a zero chance Bingle gets lynched today at this rate, so really you're voting Bingle for the same thing you're doing.

the alternative in this case would be bingle and theres really no reason to assume theres a 0 chance that anyone is lynched when we still have 48 hours left and i literally drove a decent part of the momentum on the pelican wagon in the first place?????

If you need a kicker my role has a lovely flavor to it that makes my passive dirty investigates ability dovetail with my other ability(s) and that flavor is not "spending so much time in an abandoned warehouse causes you to smell bad" or something.
So as a dirty vig it should have been similarly evocative.

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No one says it has to be an ungated vig

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ooooh maybe caffeine-gated vig, sexy design

shot fails if victim is not an addict

you show up with all the bags of caffeine and the sugary treats

and you say "just for today, pay 50$ and you can have as much as you want

AS MUCH AS YOU WANT"

bwahahahahahahahah caffeine overdose murder!

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Bingle why didn't you more forcefully endorse one approach over the others to caffeine if you're town?

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Chandra's orfhz scumcase is good when she types it on a computer

basically we both are dummies for having alts like this

If you're a cheetory alt please don't stop I like this avatar much more


Was that hammer?

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I think croag looks really bad here, and since bussing is extra bad when you're not caught up it might be powerful to clear a scummy slot with a croag redflip.

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Oh I guess that was hammer

I don't think people should whine about reading role PMs carefully in general role PMs are boring or whatever

If you died as my town ally I'm upset you refused to perform an exercise that would help me discern your alignment, and next time it would help for you to have done it. My perceptions of the discrepancies in how you described the hood was always colored by an apparent avoidance of the topic, which suggested "miller/mafia" distinction was touchy for your slot, and it's scum-indicative for that to be touchy

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But I would be happy to play a game with you again

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I don't know where I want to take today.

I'm not sure if any of the circumstances make Bingle less scummy.

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Flavor Leaf your reads are terrible

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VOTE: orfhz. JJD has started to seem more and more townie

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Flavor Leaf claim your shot

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JJD is town

if you could like align on my reads, or on the theory arguments, either one, that'd be great.
because an 80/20 read like Pelipper was, you do still have to lynch that, vig claims or not. The probability of blocking a useful scum night action + the probability of vig disruption weighs too heavily.
If he was like, somewhat more likely to flip scum than rand, then sure you do the vigs sort it out thing
It comes off as being overly concerned about not properly emulating town!Bingle to the point you don't capture his pragmatic side I think

@FL yes I see

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Pretty null. There is some similarity to how you played in Anyone Can Post but then I skimmed some of your games and some of it seemed like posting style.

If I was forced to pick green or red I think I'd pick green.

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I think FL usually doesn't play D1 the way he did as town.

It's not the lynch I'd want the earliest.

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People say he's good at scum so there's always that paranoia

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Pops your reads feel really easy

Sometimes the reads are easy, whoever shot Fishmonger obviously agrees that one was easy

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Which means he's town

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not properly emulating town!Bingle

Is there anything I've ever done that makes you think I'm incapable of being towny as scum?

I haven't seen scum-bingle bus yet in my sample size 1, for starters, and I don't recall you calling out fishmonger obvscum from day 1

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Guys we will never catch Bingle's scumpartners

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If there's a repeat use doctor in the vanilla neighborhood, couldn't everyone go into the vanilla neighborhood except 1 widely townread non-addict player, then that player gets docced every night, then we play nightless mafia????

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I'd prefer if Flavor Leaf claimed the Fish Monger shot explicitly instead of implicitly. And then at that point I think I'm pretty happy to treat him as conftown if it's not counterclaimed.

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I have no understanding about how explaining my thought processes to Pelipper is scummy

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Bingle has repeated the "vecna MArquis Bingle" scumteam thing a jillion times and at this point I'm getting paranoid it's just that's the scumteam

like all those slots are independently scummy

4 caffeinations is really low what is going on in this setup

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IT'S OVER JJD I LOST AS SCUM OK

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there are lots of obvtown townreads in this game like more than enough to win the game just with a doc protect that lands here and there and something

there's a mix of scum and baddies not townreading those townreads but if those people would like take a breathe and try to reread without confirmation biases

clear path to good win game

NO im not one of those obvtowns ive been obvtown in a game but i am murky cocoa flavored water town in this game but also even when im obvtown yelling at people that you rae obvtown is the most obnoxious thing even so i dont do that

as for today i will isnist that we lynch scum, there are slots that are scummy and lets make more dayplay in day 2 to work with further

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there are lots of obvtown townreads in this game like more than enough to win the game just with a doc protect that lands here and there and something

there's a mix of scum and baddies not townreading those townreads but if those people would like take a breathe and try to reread without confirmation biases

clear path to good win game

NO im not one of those obvtowns ive been obvtown in a game but i am murky cocoa flavored water town in this game but also even when im obvtown yelling at people that you rae obvtown is the most obnoxious thing even so i dont do that

as for today i will isnist that we lynch scum, there are slots that are scummy and lets make more dayplay in day 2 to work with further

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Bingle's "i know how to be towny as scum" is like the worst defense i've ever heard

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ok im going to play more robots games

in case it wasnt obvious this has been drunkpops

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If there's a repeat use doctor in the vanilla neighborhood, couldn't everyone go into the vanilla neighborhood except 1 widely townread non-addict player, then that player gets docced every night, then we play nightless mafia????

Did you read what I said?? ONLY ONE OF US is a "real Doctor". Just ONE. The others are a JK (that's what a Paranoid Doctor is), a Visitor (that's what a Naive Doctor really is), and a CPR Doctor. The CPR Doctor KILLS the target if it doesn't save it. If I was a CPR Doctor and I targeted you and no one tried to kill you then I'd be killing you myself.

Now tell me again about that Townie you want to be Doctored every night?

i actually was totally unaware anyone had claimed doctor at all i just had this sudden idea that if a normal doctor was in the neighborhood maybe that could be a thing

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IT'S OVER JJD I LOST AS SCUM OK

This gives me pause though. This is genuine frustration, I think. pops probably thought (wrongfully) that I was pushing her today.

You said you wanted to join Flavor Leaf's Marathon

it was over when you asked, I had played in it, and I had lost as scum

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I refuse to believe 2217 is a genuine post. You made that post to set me off.

VOTE: DOL

Screw you.

Mate, your play, responses and votes all seem most unnatural and impulsive at best. I won't call them fake, but I know you are capable of doing some analysis.

Impulsive, sure. I dont get where youd get unnatural from.

After sleeping a few more hours on that I was thinking I'd ask some players whose opinions I respect whether I'm overreacting and being self centered tired on this particular issue. I still think it's a blatant scumpost, but if the right people tell me to shut up, I will.

I did some analysis yesterday. I plan to do analysis today too.

Hm, I think I have to agree it's a scummy post, if not purely on stance then when the diction is also considered.

Not enough to bring him from townread to scumread for me though.

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Also if anyone can confirm I'm town please speak up before either of us die

You are town.

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FL there's only four caffeine addicts so caffeine hunting is pointless. That's no where close to that win condition swinging the game.

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FL says that scum wouldn't kill him, if they know he's caffeinated

Yes, that's not correct. With only 4 addicts (1-4 of which are scum!) scum are very much on track to win by parity, not caffiene. For example in this game state if we had an innocent child who was confirmed to be caffiene addicted, the scum would shoot that player every time.

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FL says that scum wouldn't kill him, if they know he's caffeinated

Yes, that's not correct. With only 4 addicts (1-4 of which are scum!) scum are very much on track to win by parity, not caffiene. For example in this game state if we had an innocent child who was confirmed to be caffiene addicted, the scum would shoot that player every time.

I wouldn't kill IC, unless that IC was really strong player and I'd kill them no matter what role they are

Bingle help me with this

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Ok whatever you can procrastinate shooting an IC

My point is that caffeine has very little sway on the nightkill choices right now with 4 addicted.

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It was not totally his fault it was partially his fault.

I thought suggesting scenarios where I don't lynch him would be nicer rather than meaner

But if it was meaner I feel even worse

I think I would have to do it again given the way the posts went but it's icky


Ftr LAL is good mafia in 2019, I lynched scum off of it earlier this year

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What about the end of ghostbusters

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I think I can tentatively trust the vanillizer hood to be all town. I'm only giving one scum a pass unless Marquis is getting doubly duped.

Orfhz is the slot I like most in the game for lynching with the vanillizer neighborhood marked hands off.

VOTE: orfrhz
Just for the reasons Chandra put in her scumcase.
I don't see much if any scum equity in croag's posts. I had a town vibe on D1L day 1 and might be confbiasing on that slot. Chennisden are town slots for the rest of the game. I have Chandra as town for the rest of the game but expect no one else to follow on that. Marquis is town for special reasons.

Flavor Leaf is... Ugh.. he said in the PT he would holster, so I wonder if an unconfirmed sanity doc protected fishmonger from the kill FL promised he'd give to kuribo. Is that crazy?
FL if you no-shot then that proves the unconfirmed sanity doc that performed the protect is scum and you should like claim your cop investigation, forget about the caffeine

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i want to trust in my hood

i dont think any of them are maf

So does everyone else. So I propose there are no Mafia because we're all in hoods.. AMD EVERY SCUM IS PROMOTING THEIRS IS MAFIA-FREE.

Well FL and I don't particularly trust eachother

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Chennisden maybe you're reading her better off double the meta

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Be nice.

I finished my genocide run and am doing pacifist runs now.
So I ask for niceness

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I forgot kagami was in this game

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Vecna why do you seem to play so different this game

Is it the playercount

Is it your alignment

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I townread croag in ways I can't townread orfhz

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It's page 100!!!!!

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Bingle I want to understand why you scumread me. I went through your iso. And I see you said I was scummy apart from the Pelipper stuff D1 but it was on hold, then Pelipper mislynch happened, then today you are voting me.

I presume you can't be on me because I mislynched Pelipper. With the information I had I would have to do it again.
You quoted my twilight post from yesterday once or twice, and said you don't like it. It is not a bad post. It's not wrong to do a post mortem on what went wrong. Like the post mortem was literally even effective. Pelipper explained to me that he distrusted kuribo, I didn't understand/perceive that at all, and now that is a step where I see I could have done things differently. I should have asked Pelipper "why are you 'good'". And things would have went differently butterfly effect.

But that might be beside the point, you may have already read that post in confbias. You never elaborated on what you dislike about my d1 play. My day1 play, to my fuzzy recollection without isoing, involved taking potshots at fishmonger and I remember feeling uncomfortable when someone asked me for reads and I didn't have any besides Fishmonger and had to reread the thread to get more. Regardless of what I came up with for the other two it seems surprising for you to crosshairs me from this context.

Most of game I have felt like you are scum and not cared how you are reading me but now I think you're null or better thanks in part to Marquis in part to setupspec in part to I iso'ed you. So I want to know the base problems you have with my play. What is it about how I approached Day 1 that had you saying " towncase pops without using the word claim"

this has been drunkpops

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Do you believe two town vigs could -ever- work with your assumption posted here of our entire hood being all town?

Sure? If that's me being bad at balance and setup spec then that's me being bad at balance and setup spec.

I'm not positive Flavor Leaf is a vig because I don't feel fully able to rule out that he's lying scum, but vigs can hit scum or town based on how well the mafia is playing, they're not inherent free money like cops, so balancewise multiples can be ok. Speed-of-game-wise most mods wouldn't want the bloodbath of multiple vigs, but FakeGod just modded the two Guns and Roses so I know that's not him. And then there's the Jingle philosophy of vigs-are-ICs-that-sacrifice-a-townie-to-Baal, but if scum vigs are in FakeGod's modmeta then that's just no in play at all.

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Hm, promise of valuable info or 1 less annoying slot to deal, that's a tough choice to make. You can die for all I care, unless you start giving us actual content to read you

P-Edit: it's hard to believe that you have read thread, when you ask who is in what hood, also, someone asked you why you townread all of your hood, but I think you decided to ignore that, you calim to read all thread after all

Huh. So you know exactly who is in what hood? Interesting.

I have no idea. I blame Bingle for not posting an overview in our hood during the night.

Either you have a good memory, or just a scum hood where someone is keeping track.

Also, has it even been confirmed if everyone is in a hood?

Someone make a damn overview for me already.

It wasn't that hard to deduce, when 3 hoods were revealed early and our hood had 4 members, last one must've been 4 people not in any of 3 revealed hoods

It's not necessarily the case that everyone is in a hood. I asked the mod during pregame if that was an element of the setup and he gave me a mod-style lack of info about it