Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps
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Oh let's get some common sense down before someone disregards it:
The fruit shit is a scum ability. Pine can choose whether or not to do it. Pine gets some benefit out of handing out fruits. In terms of balance, taking the fruit should work out as anti-town. Don't request the fruit."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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This is not necessarily truth as it is not an effect of the fruit.In post 21, Pine wrote:Further, if no one requests a fruit, I can give it towhomever I want. Privately. Without you being able to track who has it. Or demand accountability from them.
Why wouldn't it be better for Pine to just give it out to whoever?"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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No, you wouldn't, or you wouldn't have told us that you can give them out to whoever you like if nobody requests themIn post 53, Pine wrote:By all means, then, don't request them! I'd love to be able to give secret fruit."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Pine won't answer that honestlyIn post 60, Gamma Emerald wrote:Question about the fruit though: how often are you allowed to give them, Pine?
The post from Jingle says he creates 2 per day. The likelihood is that those that aren't accepted in one day stockpile up"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I think it stands to reason that:
If someone requests a fruit and he refuses to give it to them, he can't give it out at the end of the day
If he doesn't introduce the fruit, we can't bargain for it, but I'm guessing that also means he can't give it out at the end of the day"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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This isn't allowed to be wifom because Pine can't lie about fruit abilitiesIn post 91, Pine wrote:
Hey! You got one of those exactly correct! Nice!In post 85, Firebringer wrote:I edited these to post in here:
The fruit are- 7 of them
Watermelon - This fruit makes the user bulletproof for a night but also makes it so they take one less vote to lynch (they aren't informed of this)
Red Apple - This fruit allows a player to use a one shot tracker at night. The downside is that scum will know who you visited. (aren't informed of this)
Banana - This fruit gives user double voting power when eaten. It also tells scum what role they are when eaten. (arent informed of this)
Grapes - This fruit is the informed mechanic. It basically informs the player to what roles aren't present in the game. Pine doesn't want this released to give them freedom in fake claiming
Black Apple - This fruit allows a player to give it to another and kill that player. Pine will probably use this for someone he knows will misfire.
Lime - Tastes bad. Fruit gives you ability to multitask."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I actually don't and DA is dead nowIn post 152, Alisae wrote:Jjh remember my first game with you and I was scum and the setup was super unbalanced?
Good times"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Yeah I was legitimately concerned Pine would pick me because of my post-death scumgameIn post 161, Alisae wrote:
Haha you still remember itIn post 159, jjh927 wrote:One could even say it was... SUPERB
but I'm not gonna do the thing so don't go looking in old PTs
I wasn’t thinking about it and I don’t even entirely trust you because of how Pine talked about you in the PT."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I am more than happy to debate this if you wanna, but it'll distract from actually playing the gameIn post 187, Dannflor wrote:
This seems uh wrongIn post 162, jjh927 wrote:There is no actual reason to ask Alisae any questions"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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This is bad and completely neglects all the reasons for not getting fruitIn post 209, Chickadee wrote:I'm not reading 9 pages, unless someone tells me something very interesting happened. I read page 1 and most of page 2. This will have to suffice.
I actually think that a good amount of us, if not all, should ask for fruit. I think it will be interesting to see who Pine gives fruit to. It does create some wifom, but it could be useful.In post 19, jjh927 wrote:Oh let's get some common sense down before someone disregards it:
The fruit shit is a scum ability. Pine can choose whether or not to do it. Pine gets some benefit out of handing out fruits. In terms of balance, taking the fruit should work out as anti-town. Don't request the fruit.
bargain: fruit
Pine, hit me up. You might be evil, but you're still a fox."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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I'm not actually in the "Nobody should ask for fruit" camp ftr, I just wanted more info from Pine
I think Alisae should decide who bargains for fruit and keep the numbers of people asking for fruit to a minimum, so that Pine does not have much choice in who to give fruit to.
I also think that blindly rushing into the mechanic is extremely foolish, and the course of action scum would encourage."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Why would scum get the powers?In post 286, Chickadee wrote:If we condemn town for asking for fruit, then scum can get the powers. I realize I'm going solo on this, but y'all are gonna have to policy lynch me to keep me from asking for fruit. Hate me, I don't care.
@Pine - what does the fruit do?
Also, it will be less of a policy lynch, more of a "You are acting against the interests of town and refusing to see sense which indicates that you are scum" lynch. Which is really just a regular lynch"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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We're talking about effectively leashing the mechanic so that Pine doesn't just get to give them out to whoever he likes
Meanwhile you seem to have indicated your preference is for chaos and to give Pine as many options as possible for who to give fruit to"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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We aren't talking about the circumstances where nobody asksIn post 294, Chickadee wrote:
There's no way to tell if it's true, but Pine did say if no one asks, he get's to choose who to give it to. I'm not willing to take that chance.In post 290, jjh927 wrote:
Why would scum get the powers?In post 286, Chickadee wrote:If we condemn town for asking for fruit, then scum can get the powers. I realize I'm going solo on this, but y'all are gonna have to policy lynch me to keep me from asking for fruit. Hate me, I don't care.
@Pine - what does the fruit do?
Also, it will be less of a policy lynch, more of a "You are acting against the interests of town and refusing to see sense which indicates that you are scum" lynch. Which is really just a regular lynch
And As I get them, I'll be giving input on reads, and playing the game. So I'm not acting against the interests of town. FB already summarized why it would be a policy lynch. So I'm not gonna go on and on about this point.
We want to leash it"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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There are much better things to be forming reads off. If something is relevant, then Alisae will act on it. The things that are either irrelevant or hardly relevant will still help scum mason hunt, so it's just a bad idea to want that info out thereIn post 303, Dannflor wrote:In post 207, jjh927 wrote: VOTE: jjh hi
Your stance itself isn't inherently problematic even if I entirely disagree, but your wording is so icky. #162 is such blatant white knighting while basically shutting down early interactions with that slot. Just because Alisae can't die doesn't mean it might not help other players in forming reads to ask the opinion of a town-confirmed slot. Maybe it's an overreaction, but the "it'll distract from actually playing the game" rubs me the wrong way because it's a very easy way to escape responsibility of defending a stance you took, one that I think is very relevant to the game.
It is a rather clumsy way to try and pocket Alisae, but I don't have a reason to think it's outside your scum range.
What do you think of the worst's opening posts? + specifically the wagon that just developed on him
Also I know you think asking Alisae questions is fruitless (no pun intended), do you think anything can be gleaned from interacting with Pine?
Generally speaking, I don't like voting the worst early on because he's a cool guy and I like playing with him. I don't think he's scum and I'm not fond of the wagon on him- especially when he's V/LA, lowering its value as an RVS wagon-, but the FB wagon is worse
I think some stuff could be figured out from Pine but I don't think it's worth the effort to actively engage with him. He'll say what he wants to"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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This is a really poor argument and I think you should be aware of thatIn post 318, MariaR wrote:B) Unless you're LLD you have no reason to vote xof because it's a meta read. You should be waiting for them to post more
We're not far out of RVS here"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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It's not an RVS vote and I think you're missing the pointIn post 325, MariaR wrote:
Don't know or really care. You're gonna get yourself killed regardless whatever your alignment is. I think it's a waste of time trying to read you so I'll let others try to do it for me. So you're not a 'bad' wagon but you're not a good wagon.In post 320, Firebringer wrote:@maria why am I a bad wagon?
Please don't try and tell me you're gonna try and play off your vote as RVS at this point? I doubt LLDs vote is and we can't say the same for others. I believeIn post 323, jjh927 wrote:
This is a really poor argument and I think you should be aware of thatIn post 318, MariaR wrote:B) Unless you're LLD you have no reason to vote xof because it's a meta read. You should be waiting for them to post more
We're not far out of RVS hereyoushould be aware that it's not gonna be treated as such. So, if your vote is random and you don't want it to be treated as a real vote I suggest you take it off. Why is my argument poor? Let us assume for a moment that you're correct and it's still random voting stage. My logic would still stand because the start of the wagon was clearly not RVS. Perhaps I should just wait and catch up and use my notepad so I don't waste my time with stuff like this.
Pedit: Interesting. Alright then. Good luck on whatever reaction test you appear to be trying to do."As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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Krazy's anime upickIn post 334, Ankamius wrote:
why would Jingle give this role to herIn post 332, chennisden wrote:what reason does scumstina have to claim it"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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In post 563, Dannflor wrote:the worst and jjh are both scummy but the worst is a not-as-good wagon because he's 1. V/LA and 2. I know he has a good enough town game that it's worth not lynching him D1 regardless
also jjh im sad you did not debate me
bad bad badIn post 465, jjh927 wrote:Because I could vote there
I think I've correctly read Gamma like... 5? times in a row now? probably actually statistically meaningless but regardless I'm gonna need you to explain your read there
Yeah I did I rebutted all your shit
I'll give you my view on Gamma in a little bit"As best I can tell, jjh is some kind of wizard with mind control powers." -Jingle-
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