Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

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VOTE: v/la til 14th
obviously still be around because I'm me
would appreciate a better pace than this

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Like Gamma and pops a tiny tiny bit. I actually like Ank a tiny bit too. Got a small warm fuzzy from Fireb's opening posts. Leaving on a ferry now gl remember to lynch Ari d1

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Just caught xof commenting on Chickadee so I'mma comment on that rather than doing anything useful

town!chickadee tonally feels kind of mysterious and somewhat reserved - I'd suggest townreading off if you believe she believes what she's saying rather than if her tone reads intuitively the way you'd expect because imo her mafia tone is pretty different to what I'd expect

plus she's easier to read once there's more content

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bargain: lemon

bargain: fruit

idk which one of these I'm meant to be posting

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Like Gamma and pops a tiny tiny bit. I actually like Ank a tiny bit too. Got a small warm fuzzy from Fireb's opening posts. Leaving on a ferry now gl remember to lynch Ari d1

I don't really like pops all that much off p2ish (but I love her as a person <3) but Gamma is still town!Gamma. Ank is somewhere in null/nulltown.

Dude
Should I be worried of people jumping on firebringer?
I’m starting to get a bit worried

I don't feel all that worried about it. Don't overthink it too much.

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Also: sorry jjh. Last post for today unless I'm bored/awake tonight

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I knew signing up for this game was a good idea..
VOTE: mastina think I agree with you GreyICE

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mmm even then they're not worth talking about other than appreciating our tree friend's turn of phrase

my Pine message talks to me like I'm unaligned w Pine but I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote it pregame and I don't think we'll catch any scum with it anyway

I have no idea what pops is talking about wrt vig/masonry ftr I'll likely catch up after holiday

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Chikadee's townread is more feel then the other ones. This post in particular feels very 'free flowing'. Not caring. No agenda. 'I'm not here to be liked'.
This is town doing it's own goddamn thing and the others can suck it if they don't like it. It reads like town to me I don't think I can put it any other way.

+1

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If scum make an excuse to get fruit why do they overplay it before fruit has been offered? Ali this is what you're suggesting scum!chickadee is doing? I think you've settled on the read and you're looking for reasons for it rather than common sense checking the motive you're seeing (sry ilu but your counter to Mr. Dragon was Bad)

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happy bday punk bill.
just gonna leave chickadee as town for now

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I'm not sorry Alisae, not sorry at all. >:c
Without having read in depth I like Gamma, GreyICE, Chickadee, Iconeum Ank and Dann in varying degrees

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There's not a heap to say about GreyICE his posting doesn't feel agenda free but doesn't feel like he's assertively coasting nor pushing scum shit

Chickadee I loosely like on tone/presence/innocent energy and I like that Ico is strongly townreading her. I also now like that Ank is townreading her.

these are all getting checks when I can read more than 1-2 pages at a time and can take notes etc.

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How am I doing so far, Pine?

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VOTE: melonqueue

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Mine was role play lols about the duck nation betraying the tree sovereignty but I'm pretty sure it's Pine abandoning his poor weak winged friends : /

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easy to bump by mistake e.g. via tab + space, stray mouseclick

Spoiler:

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I'd be shocked if the scumteam was mostly in the least active players

sometimes I can piece together how you draw game state reads but I'm drawing a blank here

What's signalling you this?

I'm getting the impression that Pine is playing in terms of a future day and I found enough people early on sketchy enough to find it hard to believe that they're almost all town

Something is fundamentally off with it and I haven't figured out what it is yet, but I suspect Pine already has an idea for who he's looking to endgame with and is setting them up for it.

good read. I normally absolutely love earlygame/d1/rvs etc. but I read p1-8 in entirety and came out like ": ) mmmm fuck : )"

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I don't townread you I just liked your opening posts a tiny bit you haven't been remotely interesting fmpov since rvs broke

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Was yours signed?

why did you ask this pal
much detail as possible pls

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UT is w/e don't really think he's done anything poignantly alignment indicative. gth via tone I'd call him pure

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I feel so bad making a post saying only "ok" but I think there's adequate gravity in me making a post saying only "ok" in response to that so please consider this a post saying only "ok"

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Duckling are you going the same strategy as you did in thread title sucks

Idk what you're asking me to quantify here sorry I don't have time to really play to a strategy for another few days

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I tried lots of fancy stuff so I'm not sure exactly what she's asking me to qualify

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ugh I said quantify instead of qualify

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I'm also confused how people glossed over menalque basically throwing my scumread of him under the "she didn't see the town thought process and that makes her scum" when his 'town thought process' was basically "chickadee did the same thing I did except she's scum for it because pine gave her an easy bargain and she accepted it" and completely ignored that if you suddenly show up out of nowhere and do exactly what you just criticize someone else for, it looks sketchy and hypocritical

This is the only thing in Melon's ISO which has piqued my interest at all so far.

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pls spell my name right

sorry
leavin this dialogue to Ank but for future generations of scumhunters I am firmly in her camp and do not understand what you want us to see in your behaviour

whether chickadee is town or not is largely unrelated to your alignment, help us solve you pls

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Is it better than your last opinion?

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actually stuff that let's unpack 1022 rq

- done nothing so we should be nullreading you
- are mislynch bait so we shouldn't push you
- Ank is scum because she's trying to crack open a discussion in as much detail as possible on your play so far and isn't trying to sort you

just unpack that post just now from the perspective of someone trying to work out your alignment. I'm concerned you're dedicating a lot of time to trying to swat at people pushing you and not much time towards sorting people. survivalism is as often a newbtown tell as a scumtell so I'm not feeling like crazy strong about scumreading that but you're also then appealing to the fact you don't think I'm entitled to scumread you because you haven't done enough yet

do you like..understand why I'm not equipped to townread you?

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@jingle can we swap Ali for a better stump smh

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JINGLEEEEE

(will stop spamming for a bit now)

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You quoted a post, say you townread it. Then you come back and go 'hey i was only kidding i'm totally scumreading that post'. Then you put Maria as nullscum but you don't engage or anything over it. Feels to me like posting reads for the sake of posting reads and not wanting to get stuck with a townread you can't hold up.

Which scum!Gamma does... why?
I'm open but I thought Gamma's seemingly unprompted sloppy turnaround on Maria was more likely to be a real thought, it's possible I missed like, him being questioned on it and panicking or smth? which might be a little more spicy but aorn I'm like "I see Ico going for a lynch" and that has me like >:/

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probably keepin Gamma as a townlean for now. appreciate you don't wanna push this to end the day and stuff rn but I'm just casually cognisant that this kind of tunnel is firmly within your scumrange

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not yet! I will go actually read everything asap ofc

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yeah thanks for doing my legwork for me that's more to mull over. Shifting both you + Dancefloor up in my reads a bit and Mr. Emmy down a little pending review.

ftr the you/Dann connection is augmented by the fact you stated liking him independently of Gamma tunnel I think your reaction to me + trajectory from softtunnelling to rechecking just now was pretty authentic

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or do I just not want to maintain a scumread on you aaaAAaAaa

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Spoiler: dont worry Alyssa <3

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what's on ur mind then buddy

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I agree, unpack why for me?

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Menalque Ankamius is doubling down. Either:

- This is a fake read she doesn't believe in and she is faking because she's scum => why is she doing this? I don't think she's going to mislynch you as scum here and shading you rn only makes you look unassociated, it's fairly unlikely to cause a shiny shiny day ending lynch. If you're town and think she's scum what makes you think her take on you is fake?

- She's town, thinks you're scum and hasn't seen anything which convinces her otherwise.

For context I've just seen scum!Ank powerscummung to push a townie in another game. I have pretty fresh meta of Ank pushing someone in argumentative bad faith because she wanted him mislynched. Her approach to you here feels a lot more earnest and organic than it did there; either she's scumming well or this is town!Ank. I'm happy to be convinced either way, but I suspect you're maybe voting her for frustrating you--could you have another think about this?

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Dann have you played with scum!gazer much?

pedit: two townreads in one day goml

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I'm wary of that (trying a reversed meta tell on Blake gave false positive to a towntell). It's a specific mindset type thing which I'm looking for and not seeing - think of it as a more holistic scum meta tell for the type of skillset Ankamius and Blake have, rather than necessarily an individual Alyssa meta tell.

Mostly just using it as a convo opener w/ Menalque because slipping in behind his eyeballs would be pretty valuable to me atm

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Idk ari, I'm in a midzone myself

Duckling is there anything you feel you need more thought put into? I brink I want to jam later on while the day is still not in danger of being rushed

yeah thoughts on Skyg so far?

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Actually a bit nervous about LLD. I kinda get she's doing LLD things and the xofcase gets the game firing in a way that I am never surprised to see LLD do but it's also kind of just.... noise.... like I am aware she doesn't expect anyone ever to take that case seriously and I'm not sure it's actually productive/does anything to solve the game

very much consistent with LLD scum m.o. but I think I can also see it come from LLD who saw something and wanted to kick up some noise about it to get a conversation going. but it was way too soon and not conducive to a valuable conversation so did she do it just to look like she's solving the game?

food for thought. I'm scared of LLD so I'll observe cautiously.

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Actually just had another scroll through her ISO and fuckit
VOTE: jjh

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Ank, I agree, her reentry to thread will be interesting imo

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Be weary. The fact that he hasnt said a fucking word to me yet is as much of a scum claim as anyone has made so far. Ducky, you cant dodge me. I can smell your fear.

There's like a dozen ppl on this list I have very strong synergy with lovely I'm sorry, I don't have the time to engage with all of ya yet

what are you looking for from me in an engagement? specifically.

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LLD is scum, but not the sort I want to immediately lynch.

Fine with this guy dying too fyi.

Think I agree SMH did I talk myself into circles onto an untimely scum motivated wagon again?

VOTE: LLD

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I don't think so no, sorry

don't have any issues engaging with friends as scum in larges (starcraft mafia, undertale mafia jump to mind), might not bother in a micro if I don't have to but if I'm deepscumming a large theme then I'm stuck with y'all for the long haul so buddying up asap is +ev - you're describing me playing against my scum m.o.

again not keeping you at arms length, there's a lot of people in this game I'm lacking engagement with but atm my time is a limited commodity. the most I have in my notes on you is "haven't seen posts yet, iso and interact later" :c

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players on this list I have (I THINK I HOPE) good rapport with and didn't greet this game include but aren't limited to Gamma Ank Mastina Ari Skyg Chickadee you Dannflor Ico Krazy PP etc. etc. (latter two I haven't spoken to at all yet)

also v/la and don't have a lot of time to socialize so I've been focusing on scumhunting

I have no idea why this conversation is happening and think you are trying to shade me via a very strange expectation of how social I should be with my very limited mafia time rather than earnestly engaging with my content. if you're town I need you to fix that my friend.

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Spoiler: resoling self meta convo with fishy likely boring for anyone else sorry

Sorry Fishy I understand what you're getting at.

But: I don't think trying to read me by whether or not I say hello to you is a very valuable use of yours/anyone's time. I think I've produced legitimately provocative content which you could probably analyse instead. To make up for it I'll be back to hang out w/ you and everyone else I've been ignoring when I'm not literally in Europe.

It's also surface-level concerning to me that you're not interested in engaging with my content but you are interested in shading me for not saying hello to you based on a meta read which is outdated, circumstantial (scum meta relates to a game when you posted exclusively while I was asleep prior to my page 3 lynch) and a microscopic sample size regardless. is this earnestly a reason for you to scumread me? or are you trying to get a dialogue going? if you're trying to get a dialogue going I assume this is unsatisfactory so what do you want from me? I'm kind of neutrally disinterested in being strung along for roundabout meta reaction tests so meet me half way and see if we can get inside each others heads for a minute. you're not gonna get my alignment off this. you're gonna get a very confused duck (and one who has already spent too much time on something which he can't see a point in)

Fmpov all this looks like someone who wants to have a scumread on me and needs to cram it through OR a townie who is confused on how to read me. I haven't read any other posts from you so I'm comfortable talking to you as though there's a 19/26 chance you're town. I don't really feel the need to be defensive towards you about this. I feel the need to explain why I didn't say hello at a social level and offer you a hand in getting an alignment indicative dialogue open.


This conversation needs to either end right now, or steer towards something which is going to help this game move along.

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Katsuki the personal/oog attack on Firebringer just now is in fairly poor taste. Could you please focus on the game?

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The LLD/xof thing was beginning to creep into my mind as well. I think their s/s equity is probably kinda reliant on jjh being a mislynch though

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Katsuki the personal/oog attack on Firebringer just now is in fairly poor taste. Could you please focus on the game?

It's not a personal OOG attack if he wants to get personal with me first.

It's very relevant to the context of this game when this schmuck is trying to discredit me by starting with the personal attacks first.

my take fwiw calling someone a toxic piece of shit and asking them to get out for suggesting you're only slightly above average as a mafia player (still a compliment, still not sure why you care) is bizarre.

regardless your credentials speak for themselves and I doubt snide comments are gonna shit up your integrity that badly. just do your thing, if firebringer isn't interested in giving you the time of day he doesn't have to vote with you

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alright I'll own firebringer didn't intend it as a compliment. more meant like e.g. if someone told me I was worse than I think I am but still above average I'd probably cry out of joy.

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me too please I promise I'll try my best \o/

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Keith is GreyICE is LLD's husband.
Lexi is LLD is GreyICE's wife.

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Why would Jingle give LLD a role that could keep her in the game forever in the interests of fun

why would this role even exist in this setup?

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I love u ali

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Back in Australia. Going out tonight. Not sure what this weekend looks like yet.

LLD should be lynched.

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Ari can towntell if he's town. Shoot xof or Bill, they're bigger threats and higher scum equity

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no offense intended obviously Ari

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super rushed ISO check I think she crumbed Mastina

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also look for scum who were anti bus d1 first because no person 1) active and 2) trying to solve the game would have believed LLD was anything but scum

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I kinda want to get a reads list out too actually

oh looks like I was hammer

neat I stopped scum from getting it

I didn't bargain

I tried to hammer specifically because I wanted none of pops/PB/menal to get it

because pops isn't town

I won't post my reads list

cya tomorrow all

nvm VOTE: pops
pretty sure "I won't post my reads list" is a prompt that she's already crumbed.

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also look for scum who were anti bus d1 first because no person 1) active and 2) trying to solve the game would have believed LLD was anything but scum

I believed it. are you calling me scum duck? I am ready to fite u

I have like exactly no take on you why would I bother fighting you

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because pops isn't town

I'll play sure

I'm gonna miss Ank a lot this game. Also if anyone disagrees that "pops isn't town" *fluffposts* "nvm not posting a read list see y'all tmrw" is a crumb I want you to show me something more convincing.



pedit: I endorse a xof wagon too

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VOTE: chennisden

I'm washing my hands of this 1v1

PB vote chenn thanks

I'm honestly not convinced lld is scum anymore

Can we just lynch chennisden

this reads like she scumread chenn, not like she intended to use a suicidal cop ability on him :<

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nvm not posting a read list see y'all tmrw

im not seeing what you're seeing this means

a readlist resulting in a weakflip should contain a pretty explicit crumb and I'm pretty sure her deciding not to do one and stating such is her crumbing that she has already crumbed. specifically referring to seeing us tomorrow is a whole thing as well. like the language in that post seems too intentional given her role.

bad flashbacks to undertale rnow

sshh don't panic just keep deepwolfin

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if consensus is firmly anti lynching hider targets I'm fine w/ that I've said my bit :/

VOTE: xof

pedit: also not sold on town!mastina.

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It was like the optimal scum NK you fools

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I was on vacation for the first 100 pages and don't really give a shit yet. Towning in large themes sukcs until like <f10

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Alisae, you know I'm bad at mechanics, I lynched conftown in G&R :/

I
AM
STONED

hi stoned I'm the worst

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I assume the scumteam shot Nacho. Fuckers.

Goddamn it.

Our vig is also apparently on crack. To the point if it wasn't literally mod-confirmed otherwise I'd assume they're a serial killer. Still might assume it's a scum vig honestly.

Ank likely died thru her weak modifier. Doubt we have a vig. Confirmed no sk (sk!mastina did cross my mind)

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It was like the optimal scum NK you fools

yeah because you made it
Duh

No one ever talked to me about tw I. comparison to The Thread Title Sucked (from what I saw) and now 1 of the 2 who could have helped me there is dead
Fire fucking help explain why tw isn't playing like that game

think this is a real thought btw. townread on Gamma instated.
still very ambivalent towards fire

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that's correct but I'm not doing it for no reason :<

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because pops isn't town

Huh.

Gonna have to sell me on NOT doing this.

Vote: Pops

I had the same thought but Krazy's Mena case above looks more familiar and I think I kinda agree w people saying she wasn't likely to try and kamikaze I guess *sigh*

I'm not very convincing I guess but we are the minority.

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Scum!Krazy jumping on the LLD wagon since the beginning before I posted endorsing it?
Idunno dude, I’m not exactly sure about that.

decent point, krazy / LLD didn't feel aligned

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Jeez I hope Gamma isn't scum here that would upset me

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ok but she was weak and also Ank is smart

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Okay I was wrong about pops

dammit

what makes you say so, so enthusiastically?

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firebb why can't you smell my alignment here? what's missing, and why isn't it worrying you more?

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Like, I think the incentive for LLD to bus xof like that is really high
And I think Xof’s read on her, and Xof’s comments about the commuter claim, were definitely not a good look for her.

Also that case that LLD posted on Xof totally applies to her last post.

omg DUDE
FIRE

yes agree lld/xof looks like distancing

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just to be spicy GreyICE has highest hard bus equity but he reads pure. revisit this if he's still alive super late game and check whether his d1 stuff other than Knowing LLD Was Teh Scums checks out. If I'm still here I'll do it

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I hate quoting from locked threads

Is there an easy way of doing it

slam that pm button, unless it's the scum pt in which case just listing the people with access will do the trick

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@jingle can we swap Ali for a better stump smh

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Who's got an idol?

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I don't have a firm baseline for how to read xof so I'm evaluating the soft baseline I have. I didn't expect her to be so utr and it's thrown me.

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Gamma is like, my strongest townread aorn

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Gamma is like, my strongest townread aorn

he's up there for me too

who are your other town reads right now

probably GreyICE wbu?

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Feel like I still like Chickadee and Iconeum too but icr

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Iconeum posts and tunnels fairly well as scum. That's all though. I liked his early posts too and I'll be proceeding with that read for now til I weight my reads properly.

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jjh take a screenshot w your brain because after Pine's response I'd like as much detail as possible on how you reached this theory ahead what your motive is in asking about it.

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As a preliminary offer for the question answer, I am willing to respond to the worst's query with an infographic

This is now the thing I am most interested in by a decent margin

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I'll do a PowerPoint on why xofelf is scum sure

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jjh you're like the closest thing mafiascum has to a rock star at the moment.

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jjh you're like the closest thing mafiascum has to a rock star at the moment.

Uhhh

Justify this wild buddying?

o pine uqtπ
jjh is my buddy
I was pretty excited for the infographic

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anyone who says they wouldn't make that kill is a liar. the second I saw the replacement announcement I figured I was still destined to miss out on playing with Nacho. Back to buissness work.

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Really?

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See that IS a conversation I can picture happening in the scum pt. Don't naked NKA this one imo.

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I don't want this one

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Titus, I agreed at first but I think the read is growing cold. FF's tone feels different here but he has his more town indicative audacity in check. He's making a lot of pushes which come from left field and seem unusual for scum!FF to intuit.

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FF's tone feels different here but he has his more town indicative audacity in check.

Im keeping myself on like 3-5 instead of my usual 11 for this game. When i need to ramp that fucker up though, watch out.

Glad youre back at home. now you have no excuse to not interact with me ducky.

Haven't really had anything to reach out to you about. Want to take the initiative if you feel like we need to talk?

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Are you planning to eat multiple fruits, Dannflor?

I mean, it's a valid question the further into this game we get.



@TW tell me something spicy. Anything.

Spoiler:

paprika

maybe Ari is town

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the worst what's your read on jjh like now

he's town

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i feel null about all of these people. any suggestions on who i should feel more strongly about? i'll start with them.

mariar
firebringer
mastina
chennisden
popsofctown
Krazy
PenguinPower
Pink Ball


also have outdated townread on chickadee in particular which i'll be reevaluating

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don't tell me what my reads should be :c just tell me who's easy to have an opinion on.

can you give me a tl;dr of why you like him? like throw me a starting point of where to start evaluating him

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roughly here pending you being HELPFUL rather than SASSING ME and getting around to having more opinions.

me
gamma
Jjh927
GreyICE

Formerfish
Dannflor
Aristophanes

Titus
Iconeum
Katsuki
Chickadee

mariar
firebringer
mastina
chennisden
popsofctown
Krazy
PenguinPower
Pink Ball
Menalque

DrippingGoofball
xofelf

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thanks, when i look at fire i see lots of posting and very little that i like or agree with or which strikes me as coming from a like explicitly towny mindset, i feel like i'm pressured to townread him tho and i'm usually ntb at reading him and he's usually great at reading me and he's reading me unabashedly wrong

so i'm in this irked corner and can't really be bothered trying to process his iso in detail atm, if i *need* to get him right later i'll try harder

lot of effort when i have a dozen+ slots i want sorted

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I would suggest anyone who was on the LLD lynch, and maybe avoid listening to the people who were against lynching LLD.

scum offwagon for sure

anyone who got through yday and went "hey LLD is town" is stupid or scum. like she made constant bad faith pushes, an utterly implausible fakeclaim that she dug her heels in on, then exploded into a storm of AtE

i read nearly nothing yesterday and every sign i saw after the ~half way mark had her as obvscum

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Lady Lambdadelta (13): the worst, Katsuki, Krazy, Formerfish, MariaR, Titus, Jjh927, Gamma Emerald, GreyICE, Firebringer, Dannflor,ankamius, popsofctown,

scum onwagon here is like
katsuki/krazy looked unaligned via votes
formerfish/mariar/titus maybe?

jjh/gamma/grey are town

firebringer/dann/pops maybe?


unpacking you're looking at scum equity in {fishy, mariar, titus, fireb, dann, pops} who are automatically deeper wolves than those offwagon

looking for onwagon scum intentionally seems unwise when there were such unbelievable stances against lynching her lol

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i'll follow ali or someone else i trust if they're passionate and also convincing.
i'm not really much good at sheeping these days i'd rather catch myself up

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i'm not sure you're trying to see what i'm saying.
i'll draw a picture for you.

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my list is super roughly tiered, excepting nullreads
this is what i'm seeing.

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don't get your trousers in a twist fishy. to put it another way: the net scum equity of people offwagon is substantially higher fmpov than those onwagon.

if you want to look for onwagon scum fine, go ahead. they're going to be deeper than offwagon scum unless my reads are completely fucked. do this same experiment with ali's reads if you want.

pedit: i'm not antagonistic, fishy. you're not taking time to consider what i'm saying. i wasn't being condescending saying i would draw you a picture; i literally meant i'd elaborate visually on what i was saying.

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is it bad that i don't feel remotely invested in this conversation at like, a way in which it could compromise friendship? i just feel like i'm making a point which is more confusing than i originally thought and i just need you to slow down for me a little

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dgb and xof are scum, yes. i have no feelings about mastina at all.

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my list is super roughly tiered, excepting nullreads
this is what i'm seeing.

don't get your trousers in a twist fishy. to put it another way: the net scum equity of people offwagon is substantially higher fmpov than those onwagon.

if you want to look for onwagon scum fine, go ahead. they're going to be deeper than offwagon scum unless my reads are completely fucked. do this same experiment with ali's reads if you want.

pedit: i'm not antagonistic, fishy. you're not taking time to consider what i'm saying. i wasn't being condescending saying i would draw you a picture; i literally meant i'd elaborate visually on what i was saying.

do you see what I'm trying to say here in particular?

wrt mena sorry I missed him out, probably a copy/paste fail. he's the nullread I most want to scumread because his d1 posting was icky but I don't really remember much of it.

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oh that's what you're talking about. I didn't mean to shit on you.

fmpov it was like
me: which nullreads are easy to sort?
you: fireb who you should townread

to me who explicitly doesn't townread fireb

you then proceeded to tell me that given I'm not townreading him he's actually not very easy to sort and to focus on other slots

I was joking about you being unhelpful and too sassy. just being hammy. your other suggestions were fine.

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you are a man, dreaming of once being a fish.

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she keeps pet spiders? holy shit scarlett johansson is awesome

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I'll hammer gladly if you're all worried about a supersaint

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Can't remember and don't feel very strongly about it. I saw someone make a case for town!you and liked it, I'll reevaluate it later.

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I do remember you comparing this to Undertale though. I think I'm an easy read in Large Themes and my play here is absolute miles apart from there -- what struck you as familiar?

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No, actually very few things

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OH YEAH NO I LIKED YOUR ARISTOPHANES TOWN HOT TAKE

I also liked it more than I liked the towny things Ari did and then thought about it and thought if that was t/s Ari was more likely to be the slippery scum in that scenario finessing you; it was put down early enough it didn't really strike me as a high scum equity read

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throw em at me, I'm interested in seeing what you think is opportunistic or LAMISTy from me. Towning in large themes doesn't engage me a lot until >half way mark (scumming in large games is fun), but I think I'm pretty earnest. So I agree LAMIST posting isn't really a town!me trait. (sorry for self meta you did dig this hole)

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Like I'm not unaware that a lot of the stuff he's done looks really really really bad

but I just still don't think it actually indicates scum in this situation

I agree. I don't think he's actually trying to look good or trying to really like, do anything, if that makes sense. If he's being coached by Pine, Pine's clearly distracted by other things. He just looks sincere.

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don't disappoint me dancefloor. I'm also curious if you see a town indicative difference between Undertale and here which just struck me really hard. but I'll let u evaluate when you hunt down those quotes.

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VOTE: xofelf

don't really care who's lynched but i feel like this is like 1% more likely to hit scum

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take the bet fishy, pine is a wordsmith.

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that's a power pagetop.

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Oh...haha...see what you did there

oh god no oh no what did i do there

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Oh...haha...see what you did there

oh god no oh no what did i do there

oh...Power is the last part of my username....power page top...haha...ha...I'm lame.

sssssssskkkkk bahahaha
i'm funnier than i thought

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yes!!! finally someone acknowledged my actual scum playstyle in large themes!!!
i actually think the dossiers exist now.

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quack

just ftr the lack of quality reads on me aren't bothering me a lot

either i'm lynched soon and i don't have to suffer OR i'm left alive til lategame and the difference between my scum and towngame becomes extremely obvious

i'm realistically not going to 1) have fun, 2) be very useful until lategame so depending on the strength of the POE i'm kinda sceptical about whether there's a meaningful difference between me being mislynched over someone else, or being left alive, if that makes sense

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I'm just intrigued by Pine using statistics when he knows the answers

i feel like pine's attempts to buddy me have been far too tonally stiff to be believable but i also appreciate that from an outsider pov (i am spoiled on my alignment) it's probably a lot murkier.

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I'm just intrigued by Pine using statistics when he knows the answers

i feel like pine's attempts to buddy me have been far too tonally stiff to be believable but i also appreciate that from an outsider pov (i am spoiled on my alignment) it's probably a lot murkier.

Uhhh yeah. Who are you again? We’re not friends.

i'm the blurst, your good friand
should i have said "look aligned with me" rather than "buddy me"? you know what i meant, i still love you.

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I legit don’t follow what you’re saying here

think he meant scumstump paranoia rather than shading your townplay in vengeful goats

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I don't fully understand the scumreads on him mostly because it's. What's the correct word here.... Weak? I feel like the worst is more obvious as scum although I can see why Pine would pick him. I think you're at your obvious town phase already so I'm willing to listen to what you say.
The people who need to die atm are xor and DGB though although I pref xor

I'm waffling hard on ducky.

I don't want to think he is scum here, but I just have to. I'm willing to kinda sit on that read for a minute since other things seem to be more pressing, but it's there.

ik you're gna get shitty at me again for being snappy but like, have you considered just going through my posts and thinking "what is the duck doing here?"

i think you're suspecting me for things that like, are towntells. i know you're a good enough player to slow down and check my actual motivations rather than just sitting on a nullread which i think you realise is shitty. i'm like, extremely transparent. lol.

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i'm constantly chill this game.

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LLD is extremely fun to play with and i've really enjoyed my oog interactions with her. shame she had to go but like...scum iso is scum iso.

pedit: why would i be scum bill? ):

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why have you been doing it?
why do you think i'm doing it?
why do you think me not engaging with you is scum indicative?

speak fast doggy

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mmk. you and ali seem to be around the same place, just like, actually fucking bring it if you think it's becoming important.

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why have you been doing it?
why do you think i'm doing it?
why do you think me not engaging with you is scum indicative?

speak fast doggy

Odd that he makes the same argument against you I did. Is he scum capitalizing on my read or town feeling the same was as I do?

if you're up late we'll talk about this l8r

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i think the worst is town ftr

ugh that read is so not in vogue.

why have you been doing it?
why do you think i'm doing it?
why do you think me not engaging with you is scum indicative?

speak fast doggy

I usually townread you when I do the first attempt to interact with you; I posted a couple of things waiting for you to start interacting with me so I could sort you without my usual bias of "I want him to be town", but you didn't catch the bait and I'm tired.

I don't know why you would avoid me, that's why I'm paranoid, we don't do this, we aknowledge each other. I don't know what you're doing. Notice me senpai.

this makes me think you haven't read my posts...
i haven't read most of yours btw

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oh hey duck is town

man when was the last time I had this feeling?

when you were scum

FULL STOP

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this makes me think you haven't read my posts...
i haven't read most of yours btw

@bill also doesn't address why you think me not taking the bait is scum indicative. i want a pretty good explanation on that.

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im too sick. been throwing up since i got home from work.

v/la for the foreseeable future

i'll give u a backrub
feel better soon firedoggy

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players on this list I have (I THINK I HOPE) good rapport with and didn't greet this game include but aren't limited to Gamma Ank Mastina Ari Skyg Chickadee you Dannflor Ico Krazy PP etc. etc. (latter two I haven't spoken to at all yet)

written just after midnight in the timezone i was in, i would have been drunk and also on holidays : ] it wouldn't surprise me if i wrote this list like right off the top of my head. i'm sorry i love a lot of this playerlist, that's including you and not at the exclusion of you i just might not have registered you were in the game yet

pedit: no, haven't really made much effort to sort you yet
missing a big chunk of the game and you haven't been super lucid when i've seen you

think like e.g. MBOS type readers' block, except i'm older and wiser now: i don't look at your posts and go "argh scum", i look at your posts and go "mmm he's having a good time, his motives will be hidden beneath a tonal block and a carefree vibe" and get intensely demotivated to try and read you in greater detail

so like, i'll get there, i'm just not interested in a heavy timesink/burning out on this game so early.

glad you don't think i'm scum for ignoring you. i'm not scared of engaging with you as scum.

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just an aside, anyone else think it's a little strange fishy took a moment to wax poetic about whether PB was hiveminding or scum capitalising on his read on me.. then didn't notice the drastic difference in my response to his read vs. response to PB's read?

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i remember his read on me. good pocket attempt.

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ugh i WISH i could turn into flavor leaf.
don't worry, i have a slight townread on you. mostly revolving around LLD.

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just an aside, anyone else think it's a little strange fishy took a moment to wax poetic about whether PB was hiveminding or scum capitalising on his read on me.. then didn't notice the drastic difference in my response to his read vs. response to PB's read?

Right because I haven't expressed the idea that I am going back and forth on you and I was thinking out loud if I'm a. On the right track and am seeing things not through Rose colored glasses, or b. On the wrong track and being pandered too.

Ducky. This is the shit from you that makes me think you are scum. If you were town you don't make this post about.

that post was a honey trap, you literally just told me you wouldn't be evaluating me rn. >:c

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that was an entirely earnest comment, you just called me scum irl

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lol
ali <3

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i know you'll get me right eventually. just keep your mid reads fluid because your solve isn't on point.

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I'm not evaluating you, I'm trying to get a read on Pinkie using you.

i'm aware of that, you also went afk while i was escalating the conversation with pinkie which made me think you were probably more focused on him than me right

thing is i put that comment there to get reactions, not because i think it's alignment indicative.

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but anyway. how are you reading pinkie now?

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When I first came back to the site I think duck rolled scum against me like three times in a row or something silly

supp 2017, mini normal 2021
starcraft happened too

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does it look like a duck?
does it swim like a duck?
does it quack like a duck?

guess what

Spoiler:

it's town

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i love skygazer to bits but like
skygazer's reads on me are slightly below rand, especially early game
x:

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@krazzy i support your theory fwiw but i will be using it to augment a read or check weight if i end up townreading him; i don't think it's particularly valuable lynching him right now over someone who is explicitly scummier via dayplay

pedit: yes, that was an awful post.

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agree w/ krazzy

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the duck
how can I trust u my guy

i know you'll get me right eventually. just keep your mid reads fluid because your solve isn't on point.

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i'm a time traveler, i just like drawing things out for DRAMA.

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Krazzy I think Mena's posting on page 169 is townposting

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hmm or is it
this is confusing.

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I like his confusion and paranoia about the {dann, tw, chicka, krazy} group but it also feels like a really strange set of players to single out and I suppose I'd expect paranoid panicking town who thinks they're being rolled to be a bit more like... Paranoid or panicky. I like what he's saying but I don't really like how much he's struggling to have a tangible stance.

It doesn't seem that hard to me to look at e.g. duck/dann and go "look, two people townreading each other and sometimes agreeing on things, I see two townies" and I suppose what he's doing is actually ineffectual hedgy fearmongering rather than actually freaking out

Don't really have an opinion on the stuff you're going back & forth about though, sorry.

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I'm back to not caring about Mena all that much sorry, I'll have another go later. I think it's worth noting there's decisively an agenda to his posts, just not sure if town agenda trying to check what he sees as an irksome townblock or scum agenda in trying to poison what he views as a problematic townblock

actually the more I think about it the more practical scum motivation I see smh

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hi ss

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hi ss

NO why do you have to be in a scumslot D:

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can i hammer?

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yeah big mood

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defs will if you flip town

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Punk Bill is V/LA.
Firebrunger is brunging the fires. Also, V/LA.

just spotted this you're the best Jingle.

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It does. Alisae and Pine are members of factions, but are not living players and as such may not bargain for fruit or be targeted by actions.

Alisae endorses DGB is largely meaningless, but I'm keeping track of eir preference for the lynch because I'm supposed to be townsiding here.

if you're townsiding can you pm me the scumteam real quick?

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GUYS IT WORKED

dgb/ss/katsuki/menalque/mastina/firebringer

you're welcome

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if you're townsiding can you pm me the scumteam real quick?

Go back to your PT if you need a refresher :3

boooo get out scum
<3

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don't mind, that's the scumteam.

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hey i was surprised as well, but the spoilers are what the spoilers are.

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SS is your signature a joke abt mark twain quote magnetism?

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we're having the conversation a bit earlier than i'd have liked but kats hasn't really done anything town indicative or outside a pretty standard bus range wrt LLD
particularly if DGB flips town he should be reevaluated before lategame

pedit: ah, gotcha

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like this but evil...?

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GUYS IT WORKED

dgb/ss/katsuki/menalque/mastina/firebringer

you're welcome

LLD isn't on the list dude

yeah she's dead

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well i'm SORRY i'm just reciting what jingle told me.

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without provably quoting, of course. but it's a real spoiler. i promise.

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he said he won't but i can ):
@ali jjh is a d4 IC

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that's a very inductive tell pops.

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i do appreciate you a lot pops, you're my new best friend. that was a very inductive tell though.

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i know he's like, bolded stuff before but is he under any onus to tell the truth if it's not bolded?
haven't really been following closely enough

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eh, her thought process is a straight line. i'm neutral abt whether it's alignment indicative

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VOTE: DGB

probably town but lets just get this day over

first thing of fireb's i've related heavily to wow
she's l-2, i'll lolhammer.

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well, i related to that too. i just meant game stuff. :c

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when u wake up warmpuppy!!!
when am i gonna townread you?

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how do you feel about this vs. e.g. SUPP2017 mafia?

pedit: i have no idea what people agree/disagree with maria

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Firebringer - null, this conversation is helping
MariaR - lukewarm townread
Gamma Emerald - town
mastina - who
DrippingGoofball - don't really care, looks like a POE lynch but it's valid
chennisden - who
popsofctown - maybe town? her takes are weirder and less useful/cohesive than they have been before, i'm keeping a close eye on this read
Krazy - town
ss - had xof as firm scum (resounding lack of solving mindset), SS better tonally but still hasn't exhibited anything outside easy scumrange, should be able to correct this if SS is town
PenguinPower - posts smelled towny so lean town
GreyICE - town via associatives with LLD; good solving mindset generally
Aristophanes - town.
Jjh927 - town.
Chickadee - ttttown? reevaluate but i think a lot of people's issues with her are mostly tonal and are kinda just...chickadee personally. maybe it's fairer to say she's null.
Titus, replacing Skygazer - weak town
Formerfish - town.
Iconeum - super weak town, very dated read
Pink Ball - maybe town
Dannflor - town
Katsuki - did townread but DGB calling him scum actually made me heavily reevaluate and i really don't think he's done anything particularly towny/antiassociated
Menalque - kinda sketchy


{gamma, krazzy, greyice, aristophanes, jjh927, mr. fishy, dancefloor}
{titus, punk bill}
{mariar, popsofctown, penguinpower, chickadee, iconeum}
{fireb, katsuki}
{mastina, chennisden, drippinggoofball, ss, menalque}



this is the most half-assed full read list i've done in my entire life, i'm mostly hoping to prompt any controversy/discussion i can

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mariar roast me