Baton Pass [Game Over!]

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HURT: Wisdum

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votes are good if you supertownread someone and want both to save them and enable them to choose the next person to save

aka dont save rc

VOTE: Celestial Coordinates
VOTE: Celestial Coordinates
VOTE: Celestial Coordinates
VOTE: Celestial Coordinates
VOTE: Celestial Coordinates
VOTE: Celestial Coordinates

im helping

also if anyone has an avatar of Suika running into a wall, please post it here so we can make it our avatar

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Suika running into a wall

That's... very specific.

it's fine i found something cute

GIF can change it later

also im not signing my posts

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You should all hammer me because

what can possibly go wrong

?

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SS posts are all silly questions and pure fluff. Why are people voting for him?

Stop. You need help.

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GIFmap probably town.

GIF told me we town as shit.

Everyone vote for me.

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A vote for me is a vote for better mafiascum servers so the site doesn't lag again.

Maybe.

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how do you think scum approach this setup?

Depends how strong scum is. Usually I don't see them going for the first grab at the baton and they'll probably just get enough town cred to get the baton passed to them. If it's deep wolf who's extremely experienced, they'll probably try to go for baton.

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ok i changed my signature

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Sparkle Kittens Fireworks Shower!

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how do you think scum approach this setup?

Depends how strong scum is. Usually I don't see them going for the first grab at the baton and they'll probably just get enough town cred to get the baton passed to them. If it's deep wolf who's extremely experienced, they'll probably try to go for baton.

A follow up to your last sentence - who wouldn't go the baton as scum?

Weaker scum players

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I townread Bitmap.
Page 4, not bad not bad

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I townread Bitmap.
Page 4, not bad not bad

we're so good at this

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Also real talk
I suck at setup thing so I'm just gonna "lynch" my townreads.

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Also real talk
I suck at setup thing so I'm just gonna "lynch" my townreads.

2nd

also im here to townspew with GIF

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Also Bitty what the literal fuck
We didn't ruin dance game
We gon blame the haters

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Also Bitty what the literal fuck
We didn't ruin dance game
We gon blame the haters

i blame chennis

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but that line works so well for a signature cause it's funny as fuck

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So who's town? I'm too lazy to read past 3 pages.

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if that is the Bitmap head posting

Everything but post 78 and 81 is bitmap so far from what i can tell.

Joke's on you, our first post was mine.

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if that is the Bitmap head posting

Everything but post 78 and 81 is bitmap so far from what i can tell.

78 is me, bitmap

but it doesn't matter because we are not two hydra heads,

we are one complete entity

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So who's town? I'm too lazy to read past 3 pages.

Wisdom somewhat town
Sakura somewhat town

we're never passing the baton to S_S

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Basically bitmap posts in lowercase and GIF posts with broken english.

I only post in lowercase when I do my one liners. Which in this case, is a lot. Multi sentences will be normal usually. Just look for GIF's broken English.

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Oh yeah also, let us please not discuss about who is going to send baton to whom. I think each pass will be more alignment indicative that way.

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I know no one has yet but still.

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Oh yeah also, let us please not discuss about who is going to send baton to whom. I think each pass will be more alignment indicative that way.

too late i pass to u kthx

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All right I'm going to jinx this game very hard right now.
We have a shitload of people who can townspew very hard if they are.
This game is going to be

easy

.

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That sounds like a personal problem.

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someone said magical girls would be a town stomp

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how do you think scum approach this setup?

Depends how strong scum is. Usually I don't see them going for the first grab at the baton and they'll probably just get enough town cred to get the baton passed to them. If it's deep wolf who's extremely experienced, they'll probably try to go for baton.

A follow up to your last sentence - who wouldn't go the baton as scum?

Weaker scum players

In this game with this playerlist who would you describe as weak scum players

PMysterious and possibly others.

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Tldr the last 6 pages?

S_S high scum equity

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I'm going to sheep someone on Cephrir, just need to figure out who knows him best.

I'm going to sheep RC on Shoshin.

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That's probably a good idea.

yes, i heard about ur game when u were scum and RC was town extensively

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I'm going to sheep someone on Cephrir, just need to figure out who knows him best.

I'm going to sheep RC on Shoshin.

But doesnt RC need to be town for that.

no

Nancy Drew needs to be town for that.

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S_S high scum equity

Have you ever read me correctly?

Guns and Roses

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I guess we can pretend this game is so easy that we've already won if we want to make certain we lose

Bathe me in your meta dumpster juices because you think you're a pro, I live for it

It isn't meta when you don't need past games to see people towning up easily B)

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Here's a pro tip.
To draw Anka in we have to play this game as suboptimally as possible
She'll rush in here pulling her hair out!

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I do apologize for the salty response though, I thought that was likely GIF who did nothing but tunnel me in Undertale and got me killed in the most asinine way possible.

The latter was completely on you, mind you.

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Probably me because I said half of the playerlist can townspew easily

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"Smashing" had more oomph into it tbh

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PMysterious and possibly others.

And possibly others...?

???

yes

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imagine people having a town read on us and not voting us

lmao

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i like Ceph's posts just a bit

imagine people having a town read on us and not voting us

lmao

VOTE: Cephrir

Does that help?

yes

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VOTE: Gay Dance

i'm town

people think im town

lets all vote gay dance

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What do you like about Ceph’s posts?

120 and 122 feels genuine

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VOTE: Gay Dance

i'm town

people think im town

lets all vote gay dance

But the quesiton is... are you

townier

than OS?

yes

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Gay Dance is now my strongest scum read. AMA.

doesn't this mean ur scum?

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VOTE: Celestial Coordinates

I feel good about this.

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i townlean RC

you may now yell at me

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As an additional note, if we're not planning all the baton passes as a group together we're wasting the potential town equity of this setup.

Let's not do this please

why

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How does it give more info exactly?

i dont think it's about the info but more of the stablility

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not sure what GIF thinks of CC yet but I told him I somewhat town read that slot so he may or may not agree

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you deduce information by the players who want other players removed.

yo
lets make nacho bp
yes/no

im not blindly following some guy who hasn't even posted yet

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if nacho is "some guy" to you then i wasnt talking to you

I would call anyone else "some person" if they haven't posted. I'm familiar with who Nacho is.

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my sanity in this game is being in a hydra with GIF

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blindly following

?

ok

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Hoi I'm GIF

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I think forcing coordination only raises opposition. Like, by the end we

should

have good list of tiered townlist to make educated guesses about who is passing baton to whom.
The most coordinated action we can take is going to be grabbing tiered townlist out of everyone.

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Or similarly, have everyone give 3 ppl that they will not be passing.

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I think forcing coordination only raises opposition. Like, by the end we

should

have good list of tiered townlist to make educated guesses about who is passing baton to whom.
The most coordinated action we can take is going to be grabbing tiered townlist out of everyone.

rc saying hi already raises opposition

oh is kinda feeling like town

I'm fine with giving CC's plan a test run for today/tonight.

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Basically what RC is suggesting is that instead of passing based on our reads we use baton pass mechanic as a way of having 2 additional lynches.

but we'll do that anyway by batonpassing to townreads

i think the problem RC has with that is that he thinks most of town's townreads are going to be bad and should be proofread during the day instead of winging it at night

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It would be easier to coordinate if we just agree on 3 "universal scumreads" today.

3 instead of 2 because fun reason

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It would be easier to coordinate if we just agree on 3 "universal scumreads" today.

3 instead of 2 because fun reason

Can we at least agree to this then?

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not sure what GIF thinks of CC yet but I told him I somewhat town read that slot so he may or may not agree

Pls stop having confident reads on RadiantCowbells after 4 posts. You have to know that is not reasonable. I have seen this movie several times.

somewhat !== confident

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Ftr I have no reads yet ama

hi ank who do u think should hold the first baton today?

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Idk yet

I'm more interested in going through that backwards

and what do u think about Wisdom?

I kind of don't like his slot that much

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I definitely feel that if you're actively trying to make RC into a negative utility, you have higher scum equity than normal.

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I definitely feel that if you're actively trying to make RC into a negative utility, you have higher scum equity than normal.

That sounds kinda like poking a snake with a stick and hoping it bites someone else.

no it's my way of telling people to shut up

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why s_s? looks like hes an option for many and idk why

I second this question.

Why are you voting Oversoul?

Why are you asking a question as an answer?

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Pretty sure most of GIF and my reads will end up with the reasoning of "gut".

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It would be easier to coordinate if we just agree on 3 "universal scumreads" today.

3 instead of 2 because fun reason

Yeah universal scumreads are never town

Are you telling me that we can't "lynch" people because they could be town?

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I'm liking this idea of selecting someone to pass the last baton and having them pick from the 3 leftovers more and more.

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It sounds like a great way to lynch all the low charisma players regardless of their alignment

I'll give you that my post there is stupid

How many people in this game do you consider as low charisma players?

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Also I kinda want to suggest spending first 24 hours of this game to purely talk about the mechanics.
That way we can invest rest of the time doing actual mafia stuff and we have time to burn.

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It sounds like a great way to lynch all the low charisma players regardless of their alignment

I'll give you that my post there is stupid

How many people in this game do you consider as low charisma players?

am i low charisma

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Go on...

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I don't see how 315 can give you red flag
And I play by gut 99% of the time

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Oh sorry, I totally meant 20% there. I actually formulate my reads based on sound logic most of the time.

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Oh self-consciousness.
Self-consciousness doesn't process to me until someone points me out to one because I'm quite a self-conscious player myself

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i support Shoshin for holding the baton

this is bitmap, not sure what GIF thinks

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obvtown players are nightkill targets by definition

scum love shooting the irrelevant innocent child first if the game state isn't going poorly for them

can confirm from magical girl upick

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i support Shoshin for holding the baton

this is bitmap, not sure what GIF thinks

I don't.
I don't think Shoshin is a likely nightkill.

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obvtown players are nightkill targets by definition

scum love shooting the irrelevant innocent child first if the game state isn't going poorly for them

I'm always obvtown but scum never shoot me :>

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Gay Dance is my first substantive townread. I think Bitmap has a fun & free time in the way he's approaching the game and, while I don't necessarily think he's incapable of faking it, I do like the random ideas that he ends up expressing like the stuff below and think these posts are less likely to pop up if they are scum here:

Oh yeah also, let us please not discuss about who is going to send baton to whom. I think each pass will be more alignment indicative that way.

Also I kinda want to suggest spending first 24 hours of this game to purely talk about the mechanics.
That way we can invest rest of the time doing actual mafia stuff and we have time to burn.

Doesn't feel planned, but also doesn't feel like the "POST A LOT AND GIVE A LOT OF READS SO PEOPLE THINK I AM TOWN!!" approach that some scum players attempt to take.

Now replace that "Bitmap" with "GIF."
Does that post still hold?

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i support Shoshin for holding the baton

this is bitmap, not sure what GIF thinks

I don't.
I don't think Shoshin is a likely nightkill.

then i wanna give it to RC

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shoshin supah town

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i think CC and Sakura are town too

Oh can be town too

Nacho can be town as well

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Is that Bit or GIF?

bit

but i consider us to be one entity instead of a two headed hydra for the most part

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I'd like to say that first person complaining about the pace is scum, but I lack data to say so.

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how do those of you who aren't unreasonable about this issue not get frustrated every time you see it happening?

i just want to play mafia and not Meta Connect Four.

Games like this, which contains major mechanic, will never be a game of pure scumhunting.
Which is why I suggested that we take 24 hours of purely talking about game mechanics so we can move on to the fun part.

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Dann do you townread me buddy

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I have a light town read on you currently but I'm not interested in voting for you.

Oh I don't want to be voted either. It's not like scum's gonna kill us lol
I just wanted us to be mason until Day 3 provided that we're both alive until then.

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This discussion about mechanics is very boring.

This discussion about mechanics is very boring.

It's a necessary evil though.
Better get it done now then having them keep popping up the entire game.

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These conflicts are boring. You're obviously the most likely to get shot, unless you're scum, in which case I'm probably most likely to get shot. This isn't worth wasting time on.

Scum would shoot nacho over you actually

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Is Oh even scumreading CC btw?
Because if not the last page is literally waste of time

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These conflicts are boring. You're obviously the most likely to get shot, unless you're scum, in which case I'm probably most likely to get shot. This isn't worth wasting time on.

Scum would shoot nacho over you actually

Scum RC? I'm skeptical of that claim.

we know that RC is probably town

-bit

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Anyone legimately townread Wisdom?

If no one is, then I will.

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there's a good amount of town equity in the CC slot so RC knows he can go full force

does anyone here actually scum read CC?

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Anyone legimately townread Wisdom?

no

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I'd propose Wisdom/Goodies at the moment.

2nd

-bit

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I like Nacho. I don't know if this is alignment indicative.

how so?

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ngl I told Bitty that PM's first post pinged me.

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I'm getting away with giving only one read so far.
This is amazing.

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Oh also I don't want the day to end until Nacho comes around and obvtown the hell up

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Then why did you vote him in the first place?

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Only half of me I think.
This half really doesn't think you'll die over nacho.

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I'm not RC but I can answer 718.

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All dem PEdits

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I think even Gay Dance voted me at some point.

nah i still think CC slot is stronger even if everyone loses their sanity and gets into fist fights with RC post game

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i still think Shoshin is town though

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I actually never had problem with playing with RC ever.
There was only one person in this whole site that drove me crazy but he ain't around anymore.

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Nah his name started with M and ended with C.

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Oh also

Why were we talking about "S_S hasn't voted anyone yet"

When this game hasn't even been 24 hours long?

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Ask yourself if this content is accomplishing anything before you comment on every 4th post in the entire game

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Sakura lets hydra one day. We'll make the game go insane.

-bit

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Is Shoshin similar to the other game you mentioned in magical girls u pick where she was scum and you were town and she won?

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I don't think Ceph/Shoshin are lynch pool material though. Pretty sure there are possibly better candidates unless RC wants to forcibly strong arm a Shoshin lynch. And I'm sort of not seeing the Shoshin scum right now.

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I don't think Ceph/Shoshin are lynch pool material though. Pretty sure there are possibly better candidates unless RC wants to forcibly strong arm a Shoshin lynch. And I'm sort of not seeing the Shoshin scum right now.

No one saw Shoshin scum last game and yet she was scum. She's a lot better of a scum player than you give her credit for and I've caught her as scum every game she was scum.

ima talk to GIF about this then

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I don't think Ceph/Shoshin are lynch pool material though. Pretty sure there are possibly better candidates unless RC wants to forcibly strong arm a Shoshin lynch. And I'm sort of not seeing the Shoshin scum right now.

I mean, if you want to just go after a bunch of lynchbait who will flip town you can. There's nothing really scummy about Pmysterious and Gameplay isn't actually all that bad.
But they'll flip town and we'll be back here tomorrow.

Can you give your general reads and feels of the whole/majority of the playerbase? I don't know if you gave reads since you were arguing with Ank for like 5-10 pages.

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ah my bad, I thought it was Ank

Well, we can't exactly lynch anyone at this phase beside during the baton phase so I'm going to do something RC hates.

I'm going to think about this.

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I'll admit there's a selfish part to voting myself -- I want to stay alive so that I can keep playing the game. It's probably my last one for the next couple years.

is this a lie?

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Is Shoshin trying to go for the baton scummy in itself?

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So where would Shoshin attack if she was town? Cause she kind of knee jerked attacked Wisdom which I mean looks kind of good.

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So where would Shoshin attack if she was town? Cause she kind of knee jerked attacked Wisdom which I mean looks kind of good.

She'd find a read she thinks she can plausibly push and not have held too far against her if it flips town. Wisdom seems to fill all those checkboxes, no?

You're saying she'd do that as town but she's apparently doing it as scum? I'm a bit lost on this.

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This discussion about mechanics is very boring.

Also: Shoshin would absolutely as town be helping me make sure everyone realizes that we HAVE to be using the baton as lynches.
She wouldn't be all lol mechanics in a way that actually helps create a gamestate where the batons aren't used as lynches.

I think it's best to treat baton mechanic as two extra lynches.

I don't want to waste more time on mechanics, especially not 24 hours. I think we should use the mechanic optimally & that means treating it as extra lynches. We collectively choose two players to die & then baton everyone else. This gives us much more to talk about than exclusively focusing on who gets the first baton.

She admits the baton mechanics are used for two extra lynched and maybe expects people to realize how the mechanics worked? Am I missing something here?

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ok im slowly starting to see your argument now, rc

thank you for your ted talk

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if anyone needs me to sign my posts, lmk

GIF and I have very similar posting styles overall outside of grammar stuff

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I don't think Ceph is scum if Shoshin is. I feel like Ceph is probably pocketed if Shoshin is scum.

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I don't think Ceph is scum if Shoshin is. I feel like Ceph is probably pocketed if Shoshin is scum.

I truly struggle to understand where you're coming from in terms of your Cephrir townread.

mafia is harder than my day job

I don't really town read him. It's more like null.

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Have I even played with town-Cephrir before, come to think of it?

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It's a good thing that I decided to do nothing and let Bitty carry my lazy ass in Day 1.
Imagine having to actually think about last few pages

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I fucking deserve it man
After what I had to go through in gay dance
It's only fair and just

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It's a good thing that I decided to do nothing and let Bitty carry my lazy ass in Day 1.
Imagine having to actually think about last few pages

idk we hydra well together as town block mode

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I've talked to GIF a bit and I'm warming up to a Shoshin/Ceph baton kill as well.

-bit

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Bitty stop talking like I'm actually doing something
All I responded to you with was "uwu"

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Bitty stop talking like I'm actually doing something
All I responded to you with was "uwu"

good enough for me tbh uwu

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means "YES I AGREE, KILL THEM WITH FIRE".

im okay with kill them with fire

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do i need to teach people how to read uwunese now.

r u another tsun tsundere?

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Actually that uwu meant "I felt like Shoshin's sudden jump off from the wagon was sketch as f and I was gonna comment on it but RC was doing his thing so I decided to back off. I never played with town Cephrir I think but as far as I remember scum Cephrir mostly took backseat and sassed at people. I don't know if town-Cephrir does the same though."
So, close.

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Actually that uwu meant "I felt like Shoshin's sudden jump off from the wagon was sketch as f and I was gonna comment on it but RC was doing his thing so I decided to back off. I never played with town Cephrir I think but as far as I remember scum Cephrir mostly took backseat and sassed at people. I don't know if town-Cephrir does the same though."
So, close.

this is what sold me -bit

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13 hours have passed since the start of the day.

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Didn't ceph said he's in bed or something

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If I was in bed and people start trying to make me effort i'd go "what the fuck get off my lawn" too.

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idk why Ceph so defensive when only 2-3 people actually scumread him

unless u count RC to be like equivalent to being at L-1

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just give CC the baton today ffs

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shoshin/yukzuk probably has more scum equity than shoshin/Ceph

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am i even playing mafia anymore?

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Besides CC and Nacho, are there any other baton candidates at this point? Why are people still voting for S_S?

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this game will probably flow a bit better once Shoshin responds

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different player base so just chill

also you're like 95% getting the BP so you're not going anywhere

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gonna go to bed so just going to watch this game on mobile

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This game is ruining my sleep schedule already /o/

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This feels like town wisdom maybe

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So if we assume
1. RC is town (Nancy makes reading the slot easier I heard) = p
2. If RC is town and RC says shoshin is scum, then Shoshin is scum. (Apparently he was never wrong on Shoshin before!) = p*q -> r
3. RC says Shoshin is scum (Believe me this is a true statement) = q

Then we can prove that Shoshin is scum (r)!

1. p Given
2. p*q -> r Given
3. q Given
4. p * q Conjunction
5. r 2, 4, Modus Ponens

Simple logic really

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What's inside the parenthesis is very important!

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Like, if he read someone correctly 100% of the time so far as he states, assuming that he'll get it wrong this time is a gambler'a fallacy.

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So in order for my proof in 1028 to break, either 1 or 2 have to be proven false. Can you prove them false?

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Edmund Duke dies to spawn broodling in the missing The Culling.
Other then that, no.

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In the mission*

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Like, if he read someone correctly 100% of the time so far as he states, assuming that he'll get it wrong this time is a gambler'a fallacy.

thats bs and you know it

Which part? The former or latter?
If former, go and ask RC and I'm sure he'll gladly provide you the documents.
If latter, that is literally the definition if gambler'a fallacy

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If what RC states is true that he has never failed to read Shoshin correctly even in the harshest of times, why should I believe that he'll be wrong here? That sounds like suboptimal, to say the least.

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From the past few pages I've read, I think personal bias is a big issue here. So I'm trying to approach with logic alone.

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And because 1028 is a valid logical deduction (trust me, it's an easy one.), now all we have to talk about is the validity of #1 and #2!
(Since #3 cannot be unproven)

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So in order to prove that shoshin is not scum, all y'all have to do is either

1. RC is not town
or
2. RC can not read Shoshin correctly 100% of the time!

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Prove that*

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Link?

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I'm gonna skip FotM since RC was scum there.
BoP it looks like RC fluctuated but still had her as scum but just couldn't bring himself to lynch her?

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Can we all just relax? I'm pretty sure a majority of this thread hates it when people worship RC, I've seen far too many comments about it to really believe otherwise. Please just treat him like another player and let's move on with the game.

You know that ain't happening.
That's why I'm trying to see if anyone can break my logical proof.
They can say all they want in terms of reads and all that.
But they can't invalidate correct logical proof.
And so far, it stands.

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I think Bitmap voted himself as a meme there but I'm not Bitmap so

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gif without even looking im positive rc hasnt read anyone 100% correctly

Well he states so, so you'll have to prove that it's false or my thing still stands.
So far Enter's links did not prove the contradictory.

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∃ is much easier to prove than ∀ though.
I'm hoping that you are nice enough for you to do the easy thing than for me to do hard thing.

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Ok I'm gonna ask RC for links then.

This is going to be the greatest meme in mafiascum's history

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@RC I need all your towngames with Shoshin

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Hmm yes I think this is actually manageable.
RC tends to roll scum a lot so he shouldn't have too many towngames yes

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viewtopic.php?t=77435&f=51&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Town rc, town shoshin, scumread on shoshin

are we done

I knew you were a nice person at heart

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Anyway, now that I had my fun with lollogic, I'll talk about reads now.

There were actually few things that pinged me re: Shoshin.

1. She showed confidence on reading RC and then, well, just assumed that RC is town this game. Last time I played with town her she was going all out trying to continuously sort RC. This plus voting CC for protection looks like it could be trying to buddy up to avoid conflict with RC. Because RC tends to bite less if you don't call him scum ya know?

2. The timing on her vote change.
Now not too long before her switch, RC posted things that could possibly indicate that he was not townreading Shoshin.

I think that Shoshin is 100% not going to die N1.

Shoshin definitely shouldn’t die but statistically, we’re still the most likely to get shot.

I suppose that I could be doing both but I'm not doing both because

I have a specific scumread in mind and I don't feel like pursuing other people until I spend more time on them.

Now I don't know if RC actually meant Shoshin here, but I think it is very plausible that someone as self-conscious as Shoshin would definitely pick them up as a red flag.
Scum-Shoshin would now want RC slot dead, hence moving her vote away from RC.
Like, the timing is just way too perfect for it to be coincidence.

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Don’t these two points contradict one another?

No because there was a reason for the change of action.

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Gay Dance, how familiar are you with Shoshin as either alignment?

Not much but I know enough to know that she's a self-conscious player.
I'm a self-conscious player myself so it's easier for me to guess what she'd do in certain situations.

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yep thats what i thought too
if she wanted not to provoke rc the vote change doesnt make sense

I don't see how this is so contradictory.
Shoshin tries method A.
Method A doesn't work.
Move on to Method B.

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He's

our

snake now.

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Imagine splitting in 3-lynches-per-day

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Hot take: I'm the N1 kill

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tbh at the rate we're being townread when I haven't done jack shit until today is highly indicative of me getting shot Night 1 provided that CC is a bulletproof.

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This game is slowly turning into Gay Dance.
That must be a good thing right?

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Shoshin is never gonna get killed now, and Nacho so far has been underwhelming (for now! He promised something Regfan which must be good thing), Cephrir has been nothing but sassy and sick, Goodies are being scumread, Dannflor is almost non-existent, Wisdom wouldn't be killed because Shoshin, gameplay506 is missing, Oh is trying their absolute best to not get nightkilled which I hope it works out for them, I definitely wouldn't kill Sakura if I was scum this game, S_S is not worth wasting bullet on when he can self-destruct himself just like he did in Undertale, etc. Did I miss anyone?

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Gay Dance is probably an inefficient vote

im an amazing vote

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You scumread me, Oversoul? You should know better. There's no way I pick up my role PM in this game if I'm scum. RC should know better too.

why would u say this?

like why?

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Gay Dance, how familiar are you with Shoshin as either alignment?

i was scum and she was town in one game

that's about it

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gameplay, Nacho, and PM have less posts than the mod just an FYI

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Nacho doesn't deserve the bp. Sorry but not sorry since he isn't doing anything deserving of it.

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gut tells me there's 1 scum in [gameplay, Nacho, PM]

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also rc always scum reads me unless i pull out a mechanical clear

he even scum read me in magical girls until i crumbed I was the IC

so like im kind of used to this by now

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hi shoshin, u got some good scum reads?

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also rc always scum reads me unless i pull out a mechanical clear

he even scum read me in magical girls until i crumbed I was the IC

so like im kind of used to this by now

He’s threatened by how cute you are

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You scumread me, Oversoul? You should know better. There's no way I pick up my role PM in this game if I'm scum. RC should know better too.

why would u say this?

like why?

I don't know what you're asking. Oversoul just played with scum me, and town me, and there's no way he realistically thinks this is scum me.

>There's no way I pick up my role PM in this game if I'm scum.

That's kind of a trust tell isn't it?

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hmmmm

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ok S_S u can earn a town read

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In Gay Dance, Kirari Momobami replaced out as scum possibly as a trust tell...
In Legends of Speakeasy, Alisae threatened to replace out as scum...

ok you know what, im cool with Shoshin dying