Baton Pass [Game Over!]

[Volpe14]

Notice even how long my posts are in Buki/Fumuki in 2070 compared to I don't know, Niko in Colors or Rainn in skitter's game?

Yes I did notice this and part of me pressuring you here was to see how thorough your responses continued to be

I couldn't use your cases from earlier in the game as supporting evidence for this because of the reasons I mentioned earlier regarding your replace in

Actually I'm gradually switching to a style of short post/short post/lurk/wall to make it less tiring to play mafia games.

I used to post way too much, still post a bit too much even I would say.

[Volpe14]

Oh wait I can hammer myself

VOTE: GDGW

lol?

[Volpe14]

GDGW, are you claiming town?

[Volpe14]

I wanted to be free from this but it seems like destiny isn't gonna let me have the easy way

Can we wait before votes fwiw? I want to re:read this game from the start one last time to make the decision

OS if you're the last scum we're gonna have words about that AtE back there later btw

[Volpe14]

/shrug I'm not Shoshin

honestly I'm kinda busy nowadays, don't even feel like I should bother with this game right now

but

I'll try to solve it since Ank trusted me and I don't feel like letting her down

By the way...sorry Nancy if town

I was wrong in both Dann and GDGW after all

[Volpe14]

Sorry if I'm wrong but there's no reason at all for Volpe to kill Dannflor as far as I can tell

To be fair I posted yesterday that scum!me had some hot chances of bringing a hypothetical town!OS instead of town!Dann and I'm wondering if that's the reason I was brought to LyLo or not tbh

[Volpe14]

Neither of you tried to frame apparently so I'm guessing...it's not?

idk right now

I'm gonna properly try to solve this in weekend

[Volpe14]

I won't really try to posture for post-game credit here regardless of results tbf

I got SS right but GDGW/Dann wrong and now I know as a fact that one of my hard TRs was wrong

I just don't want let Ank/Enter down I guess, that's good enough

[Volpe14]

Both me and OS brought up derailing to SS Gameplay D1

I'll properly re:read it later yes

[Volpe14]

Fwiw that's one of the weirdest things I had found in your ISO but I skimmed that LyLo Jamelia newbie game and know you were town there so /shrug

not something I'm planning to consider

[Volpe14]

Fwiw Nancy last posting yesterday seemed open-minded and now with Dann that had townlocked CC dead I would in the end feel more inclined to vote you OS over them, so if you want to put us out of misery in case it's scum!CC, I'm fine with it

not completely fine with it

but fine enough with it?

the blame wouldn't be on me anyway!

p-edit:good

[Volpe14]

Wow. Shoshin actually did a trust tell. Hollllyyyy shit.

SS’s comments and upsetness about Shphsins trust tell are because he thought he was unfairly winning. Hmmmm

Sure.

[Volpe14]

I feel personally 60% less motivated to case OS now that I know my push on him that day was right and people stopped me

[Volpe14]

defending myself is so lame tbh

not gonna do that

[Volpe14]

I don't feel the blame is on me anymore if we lose and that relives me because now I know I was right for the third or so time and people stopped me

this whole game just feels lame right now

[Volpe14]

Fwiw I think right now the reason you didn't SR me was because I had you as more town than CC and you clearly tried to pivot on CC here even if you said you would never do that before

I guess you just saw I wasn't really buying much into the scum!CC argument?

[Volpe14]

the reason you didn't NK me* I meant

but also if I remember right you did a 180º on CC yesterday when they were beginning to suspect you and said that scum HAD to be in Oka wagon before when I was the unique one not in the Oka wagon at that moment

so like

strategically buddying when you realized Nancy wasn't as locktown on you as I was?

idk I really feel like this game is lame now that you're confscum from my pov tbf

[Volpe14]

Fwiw I think right now the reason you didn't SR me was because I had you as more town than CC and you clearly tried to pivot on CC here even if you said you would never do that before

I guess you just saw I wasn't really buying much into the scum!CC argument?

Mmm love the speculation to try and shade me

You're clearly in a rampage in shading me just as you were low-key shading CC before and when you didn't get reactions from me to that you gave the emotional reason to vote me over him

[Volpe14]

I just find it so odd that someone kept me around when I said I would never vote Cici and I meant that until cici derp voted me.

But maybe

Cici if you’re scum this is so incredibly bad manners

You think CiCi can still be scum...?

[Volpe14]

Volpe why does scum OS vote me here when I've already voted him

I don't think I was voting you

Yesterday If I remember right I had OS as top town read, even more than you, so maybe he thought I would be more keen on you or something, but when noticed I wasn't, he switched back to me?

[Volpe14]

Let’s look at all the people who townread me
Fb
Nacho
Sakura
Dann

Let’s look at the people who scumread me
GDGW
Cici
Volpe

Why the hell do I kill two people who town read me? Makes no sense

Fire was locktown he needed to die before LyLo

Dann had CC as more town than you

I think me/GDGW was one of the uniques ones with you as more town than CC yesterday

[Volpe14]

You're saying that if Dann was here he would vote CC over you and that's just bs

it would look even weird to NK me instead of Dann because I was getting more heat than you now that I think about it

"Why Volpe over OS?"

so like, the best way to go might be trying to frame me as a mastermind or something which wouldn't really be out of what I would do as scum tbf, even talking about it yesterday

[Volpe14]

I really shouldn't have made that self-meta talk yesterday

it would be easier to lie about it now to get you lynched OS tbf

I think sometimes town needs to lie to win too

[Volpe14]

Oh right, I should vote you

forgot it

VOTE: Oversoul

[Volpe14]

I have so many pivots that look like tmi

fwiw it's one of the reasons that I was pushing Nancy yesterday

I was paranoid of it but I knew that if I brought it up it would completely derail everything else therefore I kept it to me while pushing you softly but Nancy melted it away when she opened up her mind about GDGW

[Volpe14]

Although Volpe didn't exactly have a chance.

Double town flips...?

How was that not a chance if I wanted to be fair

[Volpe14]

I'm confused why scum didn't try to mislynch me

read OS coming to this day phase and see if he wasn't open to lynch you or not fwiw

[Volpe14]

I get that I look like a crazy crack head right now but it’s because my anxiety is so high
I implore you to read just like one of my scum games and see the night and day differences between this game and that game. Olease

My scum game is just as night and day?

[Volpe14]

Although Volpe didn't exactly have a chance.

Double town flips...?

How was that not a chance if I wanted to be fair

I mean you didn't get a chance because you got voted

I wasn't the unique one being suspected and I still kept my head at GDGW

but like

I can't help but feel that defending myself or putting effort in to that is really lame so /shrug

I'm not scum here, I've lost already quite a good number of stupid town games because people stopped me at my spiritual SR because of whatever, winning or losing this game doesn't really affect me that much

I don't need to do a song and dance for you to not vote me here I guess

so I'm off

[Volpe14]

there's one single thing though.

You better stop with the crap of "I've clearly better reads than Volpe" in post-game when after getting SS I also got OS next

tone down on that yes.

[Volpe14]

Wow you guys are being pretty fucking aids to be in LyLo with I'm ngl

I'm not blaming you.

I swear I'm not blaming you even if you vote me.

But like

really you just take hotpots on my reads occasionally?

I would be glad if you lowered down on that.

[Volpe14]

Like really RC

I'm not gonna be mad on you or anything

feel at ease about that

[Volpe14]

Especially aids from you volpe since you didn't even have a correct solve you got spoon fed it by OS voting

I was more keen on voting OS than you today?

I said that back there

[Volpe14]

Radiant

Put seconds in your time

Check how many seconds there is of difference

calculate if I could write all that in those seconds

you're good to go.

[Volpe14]

I don't want to be aids to be in LyLo again

I would genuinely rather lose as either alignment than do that

sorry if I made you feel like that, it wasn't the intention

[Volpe14]

from my pov I know CC is scum but from your pov where there's a potential town!OS ready to start flaring up/ranting at you in post-game if you get it wrong, I'm genuinely fine with you voting me instead to avoid it

I'm decided right now that I'll not appeal to any kind of emotion to make you vote OS anymore because I already imagined myself at that position and know how uncomfortable it is (for some minutes back there I thought I was the one to decide LyLo fwiw)

[Volpe14]

OS is scum*

mistyped.

[Volpe14]

if you want a tl;dr of why I think that you should vote OS instead of me from the top of my head:

> I think OS brought me today because scum NK'ing me would make a scum!OS way more suspicious than NK'ing Dann, I was being suspected yesterday therefore me getting NK'ed over OS wouldn't make any sense, but OS bringing me to LyLo to say "scum wifom'ing it" when yesterday I clearly said I liked to WIFOM as scum glues together better.

> I think although not sure that I had him as top town yesterday for some time therefore maybe he thought I would rather vote you than him, and when that didn't happen he switched back to the original plan (I think when Nancy started to suspect him he also switched his read on you while subtly implying I must be town for not being on Oka's wagon)

> SS scum read him for quite a long time but put him in the null list, not really willing to vote him even though there was all that "aggressiveness"

That's it maybe, If it's still going when I make some free time I might put a bit more of effort but I don't feel entitled on winning this game at this point and also don't feel like it's something that matters a lot to me

Like I said, I'll not blame you. Feel at ease about that.

[Volpe14]

You/Nancy just go with whatever your heart feels like

that's the right way to go

[Volpe14]

am I still aids to be in LyLo?

I hope not.

[Volpe14]

I was feeling like that yes, but also I was trying to be a bit manipulative with that so /shrug

my fault, sorry

I shouldn't have done that even if it helps us win

[Volpe14]

For what it's worth I baton'ed you when people offered to baton me although OS AtE made me change my mind for some minutes

[Volpe14]

I can't really reply to something that Shoshin did...

[Volpe14]

I'm not sure why I'm still here either,

I've things to do but I want you to say we're gucci about that manipulative AtE I was using before

are we gucci?

[Volpe14]

Good.

[Volpe14]

Do keep in mind

I led on every single scum that ever flipped

And faced intense resistance from town every time.

That’s fine argument to make but you also led on every single town lynch. Just because you led on every single lynch in the game doesn’t mean you were good. It just means you were on every single lynch.

You can only claim to have good taste for wagons if you actually have restraint with who you wagon. Otherwise, it’s pointless. Of course you’re gonna kill scum if you kill literally everyone but yourself.

I mean, i feel like if scum was threatened by RC they would have killed him. Instead they let him live to post over 2,400 times in one game.

Bravo, we should have all just gone home and let the game play out with namecards in place of actual playing people.

Sorry I don't wanna be arrogant but I felt the unique threat to me here was RC and I only didn't NK him because I couldn't (he was elected bulletproof)

I don't think there was a world where I lose here without RC.

In the first place, if RC wasn't here I was going to get the baton and Oka/Oh would be around until later to support me.

Also he got 3 scum lynched and had pinpointed my slot at certain times (I don't think it was truly his the decision of hammering OS tbh). I feel like you're saying this just because you've a personal issue with him or something and I just wanted to refuse that version of the story.

[Volpe14]

Real talk though, I think RC is improving for the better as someone who's trying to be less "overbearing" but it's gradual change and something that isn't noticed over night. But RC's rep kind of just plays against him.

I feel this too

I would have had fun playing with him if I was town

[Volpe14]

I don't want to take RC side or Ank or OS or whatever

I just...

I don't know, I feel guilty about this salty post-game even if I ""won""(I'm not counting it as a win to be fair).

Maybe self-hammering there would have made this post-game less unpleasant.

[Volpe14]

Our best chance of winning was anyone other than GDGW getting lynched. Scum probably wouldn’t have killed them and I would have never lynched them in LYLO.

I was going to NK GDGW/Dann tbf.

I mean...I did it. although I seriously thought internally about bringing Dann instead of OS but like...Dann would put effort into it, and would be reluctant to vote early probably, which would make this game goes longer when I just wanted to it be over as quickly as possible.

[Volpe14]

That's why I was so fucking frustrated last time buki was scum @gif

Hmm

What do you mean by this?

am I that unpleasant to play with?

[Volpe14]

For what it's worth RC, with the issues you've on how people treat your slot, one suggestion I think is that in games you should try to form some sort of block of your own, and try to not be the one to command everything because if you take all in your hands, if you're wrong people will also blame all of it on you (like the double town flips that made a 180º on you). You've this natural energy anyway therefore even if you don't command everything, if you ally up people in the game they will more likely than not listen to you.

Maybe first town hunt > block up > convince your block of killing your SRs step-by-step

If you've like, 3 players voting with you and it needs to be 6, with 4/6 by deadline you probably get whoever you want lynched.

One issue with that is that you frequently change reads therefore maybe holding down a bit by locking them scum and all (to solidify I don't know?) would help it out too.

I particularly want to play as town supporter from now on, and as town I would have either gone with you or Ank if she was putting a bit more of effort (I see why she didn't though)

[Volpe14]

RC I think you've a natural leader energy but you've trouble finding allies for long duration in a game (what I see is mostly people sheeping you when there's a scum flip but getting paranoid of you when there's a town one next), and anyway a commander without allies is always in risk I guess.

I know it's cringe wording but it's the best sleepy me has right now

[Volpe14]

Some of the paranoia is a direct result of the fact that they feel you're completely deciding it RC, but if they hold a bit more of responsability in agreeing with you in "yeah, I completely see what you're talking about", maybe they'll feel less inclined to just say "scum!RC is misleading us!" and you can always use the fact that they agreed with you before against it. I guess working on people genuinely agreeing with you instead of sheeping reputation/high-scum-catch-rate is key here.

[Volpe14]

Man I wanted to coast this game with Ank/RC so hard but rolling scum just made me go "bleg!" and it let me down in a spiritual level

I was scum reading Oh for associatives before replacing though

Mostly GG that had a super wordy read on them when he gave one-liners for everyone else TRs

[Volpe14]

Almost last post but I read the game before replacing in and my lynch pool was [Oh > Dann > SS]

I wasn't scum reading Shoshin at all but I was reading her trust tell thing as NAI and I was kind of null in the slot. I kind of just scrolled down hard there because I don't try to read that kind of thing anymore.

/shrug

[Volpe14]

Now last post to avoid future stress,

What wasn't scum indicative of me here:

> /shrug, :pepehands: or any other kind of semantic argument
> town reading RC/Nancy
> white-knight'ing lynchbait
> gifs/memes
> shitposting
> lurking the thread out although you may not have noticed as much. I just sometimes read the thread and didn't comment anything but I would have done something very similar as town

What was scum indicative:

> please find it by yourself although I don't think it's hard.

[Volpe14]

It was a good game, I had fun in some moments, but it was also

horribly

exhausting.

Fun PL, maybe see you guys in TM or in some random dead thread because I like them.

bye

[Volpe14]

Oh

right

wall posts aren't scum indicative too

[Volpe14]

and again gj

you got me good with that bus

I think if you had more time/more info to reconsiderate you would have eventually got fwiw but I wouldn't let you live that long if it was that kind of game

[Volpe14]

if I was at the point where I could judge shit like that, I would've been universally townread and impossible to lynch

I meant more that I would NK you if I sensed you were getting close to solving the game/understanding game state

[Volpe14]

would anyone like to participate in my focus group for what game i run next

I can give my opinions if you want

I think?