Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Pine]

No gamestart notification. Rude.

I’m going to hardcore lurk through the first day or two. I don’t like early game in anything larger than a Micro, and fuuuuck this 40 players noise.

[Pine]

I should definitely be the Governor.

[Pine]

VOTE: Pine

[Pine]

75 pages in two days?

[Pine]

75 pages in two days?

I go and make a sandwich and come back to three more pages. I stand by my GIF.

VOTE: No governor

I'm worried that there may be some consequence to this, but We need to get through the pregame, and the notion that this group is going to elect someone with 21 votes is laughable.

PE: And eleven posts on preview. Fuck off.

[Pine]

01. Pine
04. Firebringer
07. Korina
11. The Fonz
17. xofelf
19. Pink Ball
20. Vorkuta
23. RCEnigma
24. davesaz
26. Elements
28. Hectic
36. jadesmar
40. EspressoPatronum

This is the list of people currently not voting. If you're on this list, maybe fix that.

Who should I be voting for? I feel like delegating.

[Pine]

Who should I be voting for? I feel like delegating.

Unofficial VC is literally on the previous page. At the very least you can tell who the people you think are most likely to be right in a vacuum are voting and sheep them.

This is actually really good advice.

Okay, looking at said UVC, I immediately don't like the wagoneers on TSE. I don't know what TSE's deal is, but my top "trust in a vacuum" people on it are Cephrir, GE, and Wooper (no offense the others on the list), the latter of whom is the next biggest wagon. Let's look there. Nnnnnope, not convincing. I trust FF, and the fact that she doesn't have a wagon at all on her is encouraging. She tends to be either obvtown or obvscum, and pretty canny when Town. That said, four votes for Wooper!Duck isn't damning. Scrolling the rest of the way down the list, I don't see any consensus forming from the people I trust the most.

Skimming an ISO Bingle for more of these unofficial VCs doesn't help, but it does lead me to my next post for a potential lie detector.

A look at official VCs doesn't help much either. So never mind. Shit advice, stoopid BJingle.

[Pine]

I am Cobble-aligned.

[Pine]

That said, t just occurred to me that I posted that so automatically (and with proper hyphenation) that I don't know why anyone wouldn't. So I'm jumping on against the one I saw questioning it in Bingle's ISO, Amrun. Good advice after all!

VOTE: Amrun

(If this leads to your lynch, please don't go away for years again, we need people of your quality. <3)

[Pine]

Like what affect does that have on the lie detector is there a legitimate cobble alignment?

WOOOP WOOOP WOOOP

SCUM DETECTED

VOTE: Miss Lynch

I can now comfortably do nothing the rest of the day!

[Pine]

Miss Lynch apparently only read her own role PM and skipped the flavor, missing that Town is Cobble-themed.

[Pine]

Like what affect does that have on the lie detector is there a legitimate cobble alignment?

Umm...

Can you look at your role pm and tell everyone what your alignment is?

Formatted as 'I am X-aligned' or 'I am aligned with X' with nothing else in the post, please.

Suspicious af/coaching.

[Pine]

Like what affect does that have on the lie detector is there a legitimate cobble alignment?

Umm...

Can you look at your role pm and tell everyone what your alignment is?

Formatted as 'I am X-aligned' or 'I am aligned with X' with nothing else in the post, please.

Suspicious af/coaching.

Try 'worried there are other alignments that are technically town aligned'

Because I was already worried about that. The phrasing in my role pm was a bit weird about alignment.

p-edit:
Just post 'I am death aligned' with nothing else in the post then.

Bolded is interesting food for thought, but until I see evidence I'm discounting it as a possibility.

PE: Yes

[Pine]

not being active and not being proactive seems like such ass town play to me.

Posting 284 times in a week when there are 39 other players seems like such ass town play to me.

Not to mention extremely inconsiderate. This is a crowded game, and I would suggest everyone posting more than 10 times a day really check whether what you're saying is actually adding to the game or just to hear yourself talk. 150 pages in 8 days, Jesus Christ.

[Pine]

I can get behind a policy vote, but I think Miss Lynch’s slip was genuine, not dissimilar to yours in Detective Penguin

[Pine]

Emergency V/LA until at least Thursday. Fever + chills. Going to the doctor in <2 hours

[Pine]

Feeling much better. Fever spiked to 103.8 F on Monday night, off to the doctor for the third round of antibiotic injection on top of oral antibiotics. The last few days have been...interesting.

I think this is the only active mafia game I’m playing in right now, so it will have my undivided attention as I mend.

[Pine]

Also, Bingle is my homeboy here

[Pine]

I do not.

[Pine]

Who did you want me to shoot?

[Pine]

you're just confirming you're not reading the game

we're meant to be reading the game?

Duck, who should I dayvig?

[Pine]

I'll just save you some time and histrionics actually

Pine hadn't been around so I said "ayo Pino you got a dayvig" to which he responded "no who should I vig" and I posted the list of people who have clogged the thread with needless self-centred bullshit. you saw your name on a list, panicked, and pretended that it was a serious request to lynch you.

moving on. I got scummy vibes from the post Titus made from that alt account. I felt it was unnecessarily hedge-y in a way that scum usually does when they feel like they need to fake content but don't have real reads. that's my reason for voting it and I haven't seen anything that makes me want to move.

Lacking other information, I agree w/r/t Titus. It seems over-explainy. Disagree w/r/t JBingle, he's the only one on that list I don't skip or skim.

I lied. Dayvig is real.

dayvig Flavor Leaf

YEET

PE: Nah fuck off. He's being actually helpful, that smells like Town!UT

[Pine]

Kinda wish I'd used my vig on Menalque

[Pine]

Also, three more things:

1) I am ending my V/LA early. I'm still a bit sore and achey, and I fatigue quickly, but they've given me three 1000mg shots of rocephin since Monday on top of 1500 mg of Keflex/day for ten days, so I feel like I could take on smallpox and win right now
2) I am actually keeping up with the game since I jumped in here! Hooray! Don't bother telling me stuff I should know unless your name is JBingle, Untrod Tripod, or you swear to Odin not to put any damn spin on it
3) I am roleplaying my character. Fun times ahead!

[Pine]

Prodded. Today.

[Pine]

I think it’s time to start playing the game bb

[Pine]

waiting for the midgame bb

[Pine]

waiting for the midgame bb

This is day 4. Time to step up.

It’s still 15 pages a day, mostly of trash. I don’t feel bad. I’ll be the mid- to late-game hero this game needs, but doesn’t deserve.

Looks like Wooper’s at L-1, if skimming this page is accurate. Give me a good reason and I’ll hammer to move this farce along.

[Pine]

What’s your role? Or indication or whatever if you haven’t claimed. Also what is BB exactly, I picked up on him being a protown PR from earlier skimming.

[Pine]

VOTE: Wooper

I’m the motivator, btw. Jingle/BB/BB so far. Suggestions who to motivate next?

[Pine]

I believe I hammered, but Pine if you want to hammer for good measure you can.

Yeah I think I miscounted. Tired. Oh well, it’s done.

[Pine]

VOTE: Iconeum

I hear he's a scum redirector.

I might try caring about this game over the weekend. It feels like we've finally reached midgame.

[Pine]

I also kind of want Miss Lynch's blood. Nobody gets away with blithely claiming third party when Cult is on the table.

[Pine]

I also kind of want Miss Lynch's blood. Nobody gets away with blithely claiming third party when Cult is on the table.

Reading her full claim alongside elements' claim though, they line up

I'd have to read...well, anything in this thread aside from random pages for that.

y u no roleplay anymore, Wereboar? I was entertained.

[Pine]

+1 per night, minus those we've killed

You know

Like a cult

[Pine]

...I might be ready to actually play now. Motivated BB last night

[Pine]

@UT: How about you give me a rundown of claims and important stuff I should know, and maybe I'll start playing 4 realz.

[Pine]

DEB is Viqtor Lionheart, prince hiding among us

I wasn't motivated :/

Also some other funky shit at play that I'm not sure I want to out yet let me think about what it could mean

Interesting. I doublechecked my sent messages to make sure I sent it, and it went out. I have no reason to doubt you, so there’s likely some roleblock or redirect fuckery going on.

[Pine]

I find it very hard to believe that on both nights I blocked Elements I was either redirected to someone that had no tangible effect on the game state at all, or I was redirected to Elements' target, or that Elements holstered twice in a row, the first time of which he was (AFAIK) unaware I would be blocking him. Especially given that his and ML's claimed wincon is to meet a certain number of kills.

I tried to kill icon the first time which is why I didn't kill anyone.

hello? did you shoot pine last night?

Curious to hear the answer.

[Pine]

Hear me out on this: Serial Killer is a brilliant Cult Leader claim

[Pine]

How am I alive then? I'm not valuable enough to protect.

[Pine]

Can I play my "follow me" card today and everyone vote who I tell them without asking?

I'll follow your lead but won't sheep you blindly.

What are your thoughts?

Eww this feels scummy to me, setting up to justify a later push. Someone talk to me about EP so far?

[Pine]

Can I play my "follow me" card today and everyone vote who I tell them without asking?

I'll follow your lead but won't sheep you blindly.

What are your thoughts?

Eww this feels scummy to me, setting up to justify a later push. Someone talk to me about EP so far?

Literally conftown to me yesterday. BBmolla also flavor checked him. It’s possible EP is cult but he ain’t cult leader or groupscum.

EP has also been one of the most protown people this game.

Okay, suspicion tabled. It’s plausible he was culted last night, but unlikely.

[Pine]

Cool. Kill ‘me all.

All else being equal, I’d start with UT, scum!UT is dangerous if left unchecked

[Pine]

VOTE: UT

Choooo choooo

What’s our thought on turkey? That “let the CL live” tripe is sus af

[Pine]

I really dislike the heavy use of flavor to determine alignment here. We saw an orc flip Town and others flip scum. Further, role name tells us exactly fuck-all with regard to the cult.

An aasimar aligned with a cult themed around Ascension? That’s not even contradictory.

[Pine]

I don’t disagree with you. I’ve wanted Miss Lynch out from D1. They’re claimed 3P, and I don’t believe the claim that they win with Town. Their play strikes me as really self-serving (which again says independent 3P)

Do we have evidence against MissLynch as CL?

[Pine]

Prodded. Have been sick, plus Christmas run-up. Will be present more after tomorrow

[Pine]

I blindly trust BB and PB

VOTE: Chennisden

[Pine]

I didn’t motivate Rautherdir? Was I redirected?

[Pine]

I didn’t motivate Rautherdir? Was I redirected?

Oh never mind, I read Bingle’s post as history rather than instructions.

Am I getting redirected? Didn’t BB say he didn’t get motivated? The best move might be to target no one.

[Pine]

Nah. I no-target. You’re right, it’s too powerful to be redirected to scum’s advantage, and if BB didn’t receive it, that’s what happened.

[Pine]

If you motivate me I would very much like the opportunity out to potentially get another vig.

Lie detect > vig.

It’s literally been proven false twice now, so... no

No it hasn't? The pk lie detect wasn't a lie, just a really stupid choice of post to detect. And Rauth literally dies tomorrow. I don't even know what the other "proven false" you think is.

Nah. I no-target. You’re right, it’s too powerful to be redirected to scum’s advantage, and if BB didn’t receive it, that’s what happened.

No. If you're a cultist and we let you no target, you just target CL. If Cult has a Redirector, it's in the same pool of players as the CL, which means they're also going to die shortly. If scum has a redirector, fine, whatever, they can at best use it to hunt for cult leader.

Okay, that was convincing. I will consider your list.

[Pine]

I am Cobble-aligned.

I am still Cobble-aligned.

[Pine]

BB is the only vanilla-ized claim. Which, given that he was a mason who made it explicit he could be culted, makes sense as a recruit.

I'm mostly waiting for UT and Pine, who have yet to post this dayphase, but we also need a pool for KA to CL hunt in if DEB flips town and a target pool for Rauth/Elements.

Everything else is pretty secondary.

I was about to protest that I'd posted, but apparently I didn't. My bad. I've been keeping up, just still getting my bearings.

[Pine]

I jailed Pine.

Fucking why?

Bingle is scum.

Nualia Tobyn (the Aasimar woman) is a well-armoured woman with white hair. This was pisskop's rolecop character. Bingle claimed motivated N1, but we know from the N1 flavour that a well-armoured, white-haired woman was motivated.

We have a guilty on Pine from KidAmn's JK. It makes sense that scum would give their motivation to their rolecop (pisskop the white-haired woman) and have another one of them fakeclaim it.

Bingle also claimed FBI on Elements the same night that Elements was jailed by KidAmn and attacked by Zoraster (scum).

In what universe is that a guilty on me? Are you drunk?

^That's the post I thought I made.

[Pine]

Well okay I'm still not close-reading sue me.

[Pine]

Bingle convinced me not to no-target.

[Pine]

VOTE: UT

Ok

[Pine]

VOTE: UT

Ok

Do you think that DEB is town?

No, but I think UT is a far more likely Cult Leader. I’ve played a few games with him this year, and this strikingly reminds me of his scumplay, right from the start.

[Pine]

Frankly, UT is one of the only people I could see NOT recruiting me. He’s OG enough to not need the help and confident enough not to want it. He’s also - and this is important - wily enough to see that as the obvious recruit, I’m also the obvious lynch. He could have a dead cultist or a dead Townie

PE: whoa lot in the last fifteen minutes or so

I’d rather have a dead cult leader. I’ll case UT when I get home

[Pine]

Claiming last redscum might actually be an inspired Cult Leader ploy, especially if they have a recruit to protect them hmmmmmm

[Pine]

Claiming last redscum might actually be an inspired Cult Leader ploy, especially if they have a recruit to protect them hmmmmmm

I was thinking it might be a cult recruit ploy personally, but other information he’s revealed makes me thinks he’s just groupscum

DEB’s play today reads like a sacrifice play to draw attention. Cult can win this through attrition as long as we don’t get the leader.

I’m even more convinced that UT is the leader

[Pine]

Rautherdir - Runelord

UT - Cult Leader (Much of the following is based on assessing those who are trying to divert away from a UT lynch for suspect reasons/alternate targets)
DEB - Likely recruit in earlyish game
EsperessoPatronum - Possibly cult, but could also just be wrong
BB - Probable recruit in late game
Bingle - Probable recent recruit

[Pine]

VOTE: Deb if Deb doesn't flip cult leader then UT needs to be jailed to prevent a cult. If not kid is compromised. Fine with rauth being targeted tonight.

Alternative if pine isn't culted, motivate kidamn.

This is a good post. I can get behind it as a compromise. UT hangs tomorrow.

VOTE: DEB

[Pine]

I also forgot to submit a target. I just checked my role PM; it doesn’t explicitly say that my action would be randomized, but I’d does say that choosing a target is mandatory. Sending chkflip a PM to inquire.

[Pine]

VOTE: Rautherdir

With the CL dead, we eliminate groupscum. I’m not clear on whether cult have a kill, but it looks like they at least don’t have one every night. We might be able to win this mathematically if we can finish the Runelords and identify enough not-Cult players

[Pine]

Did we ever figure out what Flavor Leaf’s Thode alignment was?

Also we should prioritize third parties after groupscum. I don’t trust the “win independently or with Town” notions one ounce.

[Pine]

chkflip got back to me. He was vague, but my motivate was RNG'd but did not succeed. He did not elaborate.

[Pine]

Well, I can clear up chk's vagueness. I got Pine.

Dude. Quit cockblocking the god and he'll motivate you.

[Pine]

So jailkeep him and Jingle

[Pine]

Sorry A50, but that sounds like bullshit

[Pine]

I really appreciate that you all put up with my early game absence and let me reintegrate smoothly. That’s classy.

[Pine]

...We're sure he's not jester, right? I mean...he's actually advocating for his lynch as claimed scum here.

[Pine]

...We're sure he's not jester, right? I mean...he's actually advocating for his lynch as claimed scum here.

Never mind. An actual jester would have been shot by the Runelords.

...Probably

[Pine]

I remembered to motivate KidAmn!

[Pine]

01. Pine - Cayden Caliean, Cobble-Aligned Motivator
02. Untrod Tripod - Cult Cop
15. Bingle
17. xofelf
19. Pink Ball -- INNOCENT CHILD
23. RCEnigma
24. davesaz
25. Miss Lynch, who is/replaced Enter - Third Party of some kind, I forget
26. Elements - Vigilante I think?
32. gobbledygook
33. Cephrir
36. Almost50, who replaced jadesmar - Claims Survivor, probably isn't
38. KidAmn - Jailkeeper
40. EspressoPatronum -

This is from memory. Help me fill it in?

VOTE: gobbles

[Pine]

so that was me claiming my results

do we want to lynch the SK or try to find scum or anything else? it's not like cult can do other stuff

Good point

UNVOTE:

This is from memory. Help me fill it in?

Son, you are hella not paying attention.

I wasn't, now I am. I said it was from memory. Part of the problem was not having a centralized source for reminders - hence why I was seeking to rectify it. Thank you for helping though.

I tracked UT going nowhere last night and I think the man finding who he was looking for was me. UT is probably cult

Easy to find out. If you flip Town, we turbolynch UT. I see

no

reason for him to fake a provable result on you.

Yeah actually I don’t care anymore.

I’m cult. Dave is cult. We keep passives so he is still a beloved princess. It’s why me and Bb got to keep the mason chat. Deb had literally the worst cult picks ever. Why he never culted UT is beyond me. But Deb ruined both large themes that I was in to close the year. Deb you get the brick baguette award. I hope u chip a tooth. Anyway Deb sent me a message that he has info that at least 1 of these three people are scum {Bingle, rce, Xofelf}. A50 is scum too and should be the lynch unless you let Elements kill him (which is whay you should do to make this already long as cluck game end faster, but you all are too stubborn to listen to me}

My money is on Bingle. Idc anymore. When town wins this I will count it as a win because I carried the crap out of this town

Also Bingle is directly responsible for me getting culted because if we had lynched Deb the day he lolclaimed I would t have gotten culted. So really Bingle, cluck you. I will enjoy your death immensely.

VOTE: Bingle

Oh. Umm. Hmm. That kind of resolves some stuff, I guess?

You've kind of invented the idea that KidAmn is not a standard jailkeeper and I'm not aware of him having ever said anything of the sort.

This!? Bingle having a successful action while I was jailkept means nothing unless he knows that KidAmn is lying about details of his role when there's no public information to that effect (that I know of)

You've kind of invented the idea that KidAmn is not a standard jailkeeper and I'm not aware of him having ever said anything of the sort.

Alien was the standard JK in 2013, for one, but also KA blocking you is the other explanation why your rb wouldn't take.

If you're not lying, KA is the only explanation I can see.

It really wasn't. Jailkeeper worked exactly as it does now in my first Large Normal in 2011.

[Pine]

After reading the last two pages though I do feel like lynching Gobble is the best move, at least to get him out of our faces.

VOTE: Gobble

[Pine]

There's a lot of classy ways to troll Town as outed scum, and you chose a delightful mix of options not on that list.

[Pine]

VOTE: Bingle

No idea why we aren't just lynching claimed scum, but I can also be happy with mechscum

[Pine]

Also, giving up confscum for potentially confirmable town is really dumb, and if we lose this I'm going to rub it in all of your faces for being idiots and listening to the guy who literally claimed scum after getting two investigations on him.

This does not sound like Town!Bingle

[Pine]

See

this

is how you gaslight Town when you’re caught. I almost bought some of that.

[Pine]

See

this

is how you gaslight Town when you’re caught. I almost bought some of that.

right like i definitely feel like this is what's happening, it feels like an attempt to play on my insecurities and it's kinda working

Also going to bed. And your sig makes me want to reread Melville.

[Pine]

^Why are we letting this live again?

As far as I can tell, we need to turbolynch a shortlist of known/evidence-based scum and third parties. This pissing away a week to talk about our feelings shite is nonsense.

#justlynchalready

[Pine]

I fucking hate the current site meta that dictates we delay a strong lynch “for discussion,” then we don’t have anything to talk about.

We have an effective guilty (Bingle) and three(!) admissions of non-Town alignment on top of reasonable strong suspicions.

Get

On

With

It

[Pine]

So, with one cult left and that cultist identified, I think it *is* time to consider third parties.

Right now I’m concerned that there’s a third party whose goal is eliminating the cult and will win exclusively once it’s gone. Am I crazy, or should we just be turbolynching Turkey?

[Pine]

I still want to see the color of ML’s blood

[Pine]

Frankly, I think we should set a reserve of enough known Town to get us through and turbolynch the rest l

[Pine]

If someone wins exclusively when the cult is dead, that role is fucking awful design so I have no intention of playing around it.

Fair enough

If someone wins exclusively when the cult is dead, that role is fucking awful design so I have no intention of playing around it.

@Pine. Sure, but if elements and I are at the top of that list you're wasting your time. Two days and we'll be gone anyways.

@gobble: in what way does any part of this game make sense with me being a dragon?

But statements like this are what make me nervous af. The wincon probably isn’t about eliminating cult, but the possible exclusivity of it makes me nervous.

If I were outed third party, the first thing I’d do is claim that I win with Town, true or no.

I do think you’re right, exclusive anti-cult wincon is farfetched. The solution is to eliminate the cult

now

, before that timer expires, and take stock after. Hell, if they’re telling the truth that might be endgame.

[Pine]

VOTE: Gobble

[Pine]

@Pine. Sure, but if elements and I are at the top of that list you're wasting your time. Two days and we'll be gone anyways.

@gobble: in what way does any part of this game make sense with me being a dragon?

Possibly three, depending on whether or not there's a kill one of those nights.
I just need to be alive when there is <1/4 of the starting player base and then my summon and I can ascend out of this plane.

Yeah that does NOT sound like an inclusive wincon

[Pine]

I propose:
- Pine motivates KA
- KA JKs ML and PB
- Ceph blocks Elements
- RCE writes a message about Elements and sends it to me/PB
- UT checks anyone
- Elements holsters (but will probably get blocked)

+1

[Pine]

Ok

VOTE: A50

[Pine]

[Pine]

Step 1: Kill the turkey

[Pine]

Ok step 0, then step 1

[Pine]

zzzzzzzz

Is A50 dead yet? Why are we still debating this?

[Pine]

I think xofelf first? We can afford a probable mislynch, but confirming that she’s uncorrupted will finalize the rest of the game plan

[Pine]

She’s like 97% Town, but that 3% is a big problem

[Pine]

Wait no. I think we already lost if Cult has a backup recruiter?

[Pine]

See...that makes me actually want to lynch you even more, xofelf. Town!xofelf would probably be cool with her precautionary lynch

VOTE: xofelf

[Pine]

That’s fair. I’m getting really tired of Gobble’s abusive behavior anyway.

VOTE: Gobble

[Pine]

Reason and logic do not necessitate being a colossal asshole about it

[Pine]

Wait no. I think we already lost if Cult has a backup recruiter?

You're probably right. We would also know at this point for two reasons: 1) the flavour would likely mention it, and 2) cult recruits get vanillaized.

On the vanillaized point, any of these people being culted wod have made our last night actions unsuccessful:
- KA
- you (Pine)
- RCE
- Cephrir
- me (once I use my ability from gobble's lynch)

Quality analysis

[Pine]

Five bandits matches the number of Runelord flips we’ve seen.

Eliminate Gobble, then we work on the remaining third party role(s)

Non-Town feel free to white flag at any time

[Pine]

I'm confused. Why would you want to leave the SK and backup SK alive right now? The cult isn't a threat. The recruiter is dead.

I mean...this is a fair point. I’m more or less convinced that my xofelf paranoia was just that - paranoia.

I don’t think we can risk the possibility of an exclusive 3P (fourth party?) win. Sorry ML

VOTE: Miss Lynch

[Pine]

If anyone’s flailing, it’s the panicked wall of text above me here.

Site note: if you’re having trouble logging into an account, let Kison know.

[Pine]

Eh, I'll admit I might be flailing a bit, TBH. It's probably some combination of getting so close to finally winning the game and people threatening to screw it up even though it doesn't even concern them, my habitual desire to yell at inconsistencies, and the fact that this is my last game on site for a while.

I appreciate the tip, BTW, however my incapacity to sign into my account is my own. I changed my password to a google chrome suggested password and then had google chrome forget it. I will do the same with this account when this game is done. If I ever need to log back into these accounts, I'll just use the "forgot my password" links, but I have no intention of doing that. I have every intention of this being the last game I play on site.

I'm sorry you feel this way, as I consider it more likely than not that you're telling the truth. However, we're in nearly-uncharted game design with a practical 40-player game and a functional(!) cult mechanic. Given that there are at least five* different factions and probably as many wincons (Flavor Leaf's Thode alignment but Town coloring is still not adequately explained), I wouldn't be surprised if there are more. All of the known others have an exclusive wincon, so we don't have the luxury of assuming yours is different. Sorry, that's just the way the game is played. Frankly, claiming third party is almost never a good idea because we can't trust an unknown variable to be truthful.

*Cobble!Town, Thode?Town, Runelord!scum, Ascension!cult, Serial Killer!3P, your apparent self-alignment

Whatever. I really just hate the whole "everyone come at ML once they realize they're on death row" dig. I feel like I've put a lot more into this game than a majority of users, I've been consistently pro-town and I'm proud of my play. If you lynch me I'll be pissed and then I'll move on with my life

Third party is definitionally not pro-Town, they're pro-self. Your interests merely

coincidentally

parallel our own on a lot of tangents.

This also continues to reek of an appeal to emotion, which I'm frankly not interested in indulging. You will be missed if you depart because you're an interesting player, but I'm not jeopardizing the game over it.

Who the hell cares how pro town you have been if you're not town. You play to your wincon, not ours. Sure, there are 3Ps that can win along with town, but if it's in town's best course of action, 3Ps get lynched. "But I helped you all along!! - yes, but you're not town. Period.

Basically, you invited yourself to our council and now you want us to grant you the rank of master. Not gonna happen.

Bingo, and the reference made me chuckle.

Who the hell cares how pro town you have been if you're not town. You play to your wincon, not ours. Sure, there are 3Ps that can win along with town, but if it's in town's best course of action, 3Ps get lynched. "But I helped you all along!! - yes, but you're not town. Period.

I don't know how you manage to completely miss the point so consistently.

People are arguing I should be lynched because I'm scum.
I'm pointing out how obviously not scum I am.

You're talking about something completely different.
Once again.

I don't know how you manage to so repeatedly place your hand in the oven and not realize it's the source of your burn.
Shut up.

You are

not

obviously not scum. You are obviously third party. Not being scum doesn't give you an honorary Town membership, stop pretending it does. You chose to claim third party, you ought to have considered the ramifications of that.

[Pine]

ML, is your wincon exclusive to town? Can you still win if you are lynched and Elements wins?

Yeah, what exactly are you looking for here? "Yeah, you got me, it's mutually exclusive with Town"?

This is the problem, ML. We just can't afford to trust you. It isn't that we've been keeping you around to screw with you, it's that you haven't been a priority yet. Honestly sorry if you're telling the truth, it's a shitty thing to go this deep and lose to "Let's just be safe."

With 11 alive, it looks like the only way we definitely don't hit the <10 person threshold with either SK alive is to lynch one today and one tomorrow. A Serial Killer (and his backup) who win if there are fewer than 10 people remaining in a 40-player is plausible and alarmingly close to winning. Turkey isn't a threat, that possible wincon is.

[Pine]

Get out of my head, UT. I took a while to post that (looking up some supporting facts) but that was eerie.

[Pine]

i know that the threshold is 3/4 of player base
i know that if my partner (elements) dies i have to take his role
i know that i can leave this realm with him once our purpose is accomplished, regardless of his fulfillment of wincon

role and alignment, meaning i lose prior wincon

Elements leaves with me if my wincon is achieved

Interesting. These versions of how ML's ability work are in contradiction to one another, and also in contradiction to the supposed "I haven't looked at my role PM lately."

[Pine]

I straight up do not believe that you’ve never clarified your wincon, which tells me that it IS exclusive. If it weren’t, you wouldn’t be vague.

[Pine]

Skulls for the skull throne

VOTE: Miss Lynch

[Pine]

Uhhh, the fuck

[Pine]

Elements

My dude

There's no way for you to win here, so take the spiritual Vig win and help us kill obvious

third fourth fifth

sixth party

[Pine]

VOTE: Elements

[Pine]

This was great. I’m wildly impressed to see a 40-player game run so smoothly.

Please post role PMs or full setup information so I know what to nominate you for!

[Pine]

There’s a lot of room in a 40P for difficult-to-balance mechanics.

Princess Peach, though...I’m with you there

[Pine]

I liked that the flavor mattered. It added a dimension to the game.

We’re scum provided fakeclaims?

[Pine]

Yep

[Pine]

I wouldn't say that. Motivated Jailer was the bedrock of our strategy in the late game.