Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Amrun]

Like am I okay to lynch this? Yes. Is it my preference? Not really. I am sorry you're going through a bunch of stuff and maybe that is why you come across vastly different than my townTitus experiences with you(I think that's all i've had so far??? idkkk) but, something feels off with you that I don't believe is just that. Maybe you claim and I understand why you feel off, but yeah idk. You aren't my top uncomfy player slot, just the one that I think could in fact be lynched today in the deadline we got.

I largely get this. I haven't done larger, meta analysis I am known for. That's fair. In fact, I feel yours is one of the few decent votes on me. I still hope that you'll see the gears starting to move now.

However, I won't claim to correct you. Claiming here is stupid.

Serious question - do you feel my vote on you is bad? If so - why?

[Amrun]

Like am I okay to lynch this? Yes. Is it my preference? Not really. I am sorry you're going through a bunch of stuff and maybe that is why you come across vastly different than my townTitus experiences with you(I think that's all i've had so far??? idkkk) but, something feels off with you that I don't believe is just that. Maybe you claim and I understand why you feel off, but yeah idk. You aren't my top uncomfy player slot, just the one that I think could in fact be lynched today in the deadline we got.

I largely get this. I haven't done larger, meta analysis I am known for. That's fair. In fact, I feel yours is one of the few decent votes on me. I still hope that you'll see the gears starting to move now.

However, I won't claim to correct you. Claiming here is stupid.

Serious question - do you feel my vote on you is bad? If so - why?

First, it's been predicated on a large pool guilty you outed early.
Second, you've done zero analysis on the people who did jump on.
Third, you've largely only talked about me when I have been here.

I have asked you to do these things and got crickets.

I can draw a few theories of partnerships between you TSE Vork and The Fonz from it. I don't have enough to substantiate it though.

I have done analysis of the people who jumped on, but all analysis is pretty useless until a flip, so I’m interested in the flip first.

I don’t find it very fruitful to talk about you when you’re NOT here. That comment confuses me.

I think any theory about me partnering with TSE is absolute crazy talk. I do not understand how anyone could think that in any capacity, just being totally honest here. I think that’s either a scummy thing to say, but more likely just an indication of being out of touch with gamestate.

What do you mean you’ve asked me to do these things and gotten crickets, also? The only thing you’re actually asking here is to do analysis of people joining your wagon. The problem is that wagon analysis on an unflipped player is bizarre and useless.

[Amrun]

[...]
However, I won't claim to correct you. Claiming here is stupid.

Not necessarily, imo.

Not claiming here is good if Vork gets lynched, but TSE could complicate things for you. If he gets back and decides to execute you over Vork, you'll have missed the opportunity to claim + possibly save yourself.

I can only Execute the top wagon.
When the top wagon because Titus I’ll Instantly execute.

Oh look another excuse on why TSE can't shoot scum

Wait what?

Like I doubt this is AI, but you literally just called yourself scum.

[Amrun]

{The Fonz, Untrod Tripod, Pine, Virgo the Immaculate (Titus), gobbledygook, Pink Ball

Ftr here is the list

wasn't there confirmed shooting power in this list?

why are we lynching outside of this?

Because being confirmed to be able to kill is not a fucking guilty
Go see Friends and Corpses for a harrowing lesson in that

That’s not how my role works. I know it’s confusing but I’m purposefully not outing exactly how it works.

The person on the list is almost definitely scum. There is a chance not scum. But not high I think.

[Amrun]

{The Fonz, Untrod Tripod, Pine, Virgo the Immaculate (Titus), gobbledygook, Pink Ball

Ftr here is the list

wasn't there confirmed shooting power in this list?

why are we lynching outside of this?

Because being confirmed to be able to kill is not a fucking guilty
Go see Friends and Corpses for a harrowing lesson in that

That’s not how my role works. I know it’s confusing but I’m purposefully not outing exactly how it works.

The person on the list is almost definitely scum. There is a chance not scum. But not high I think.

Okaaay theeeen
I’ll probably revisit this later, with some firepower if your list flips majority town

It might flip majority town.

1 person on the list is the culprit.

The other 5 are literally random.

It is certainly not a smoking gun, but definitely info I didn’t want to die without imparting. And I didn’t think I could get a Virgo/Titus wagon rolling without it.

P-edit: what??

I don’t scumread her for THAT post. That is nonsensical. I started her wagon and have pushed it all day for entirely unrelated reasons.

Why do you want to lynch down my list if you scumread me anyway?

[Amrun]

{The Fonz, Untrod Tripod, Pine, Virgo the Immaculate (Titus), gobbledygook, Pink Ball

Ftr here is the list

wasn't there confirmed shooting power in this list?

why are we lynching outside of this?

Because being confirmed to be able to kill is not a fucking guilty
Go see Friends and Corpses for a harrowing lesson in that

That’s not how my role works. I know it’s confusing but I’m purposefully not outing exactly how it works.

The person on the list is almost definitely scum. There is a chance not scum. But not high I think.

Okaaay theeeen
I’ll probably revisit this later, with some firepower if your list flips majority town

It might flip majority town.

1 person on the list is the culprit.

The other 5 are literally random.

It is certainly not a smoking gun, but definitely info I didn’t want to die without imparting. And I didn’t think I could get a Virgo/Titus wagon rolling without it.

P-edit: what??

I don’t scumread her for THAT post. That is nonsensical. I started her wagon and have pushed it all day for entirely unrelated reasons.

Why do you want to lynch down my list if you scumread me anyway?

Okay? Culprit for what?

For a kill that landed on town and flavor wise was almost definitely the mafia kill.

[Amrun]

{The Fonz, Untrod Tripod, Pine, Virgo the Immaculate (Titus), gobbledygook, Pink Ball

Ftr here is the list

wasn't there confirmed shooting power in this list?

why are we lynching outside of this?

[...]
However, I won't claim to correct you. Claiming here is stupid.

Not necessarily, imo.

Not claiming here is good if Vork gets lynched, but TSE could complicate things for you. If he gets back and decides to execute you over Vork, you'll have missed the opportunity to claim + possibly save yourself.

I can only Execute the top wagon.
When the top wagon because Titus I’ll Instantly execute.

Oh look another excuse on why TSE can't shoot scum

Wait what?

Like I doubt this is AI, but you literally just called yourself scum.

i don't think i've liked more then a handfull of posts from Amrun and I'd lynch here in a heartbeat

now you are saying something's not AI but you scumread it anyway

Logical progression herpaderp

P-edit: in fairness he’s been scumreading me forever, but that’s what makes his “why aren’t we lynching out of this list” odd to the point of scumminess

[Amrun]

It's not happening dude. Vote a major wagon.

UT. What’s your read on me?

[Amrun]

Amrun you are seeming to say you know which player on the list it is.

No, I don’t. It’s just one of those six.

I think it is Titus, but I could be wrong.

[Amrun]

it's your friggin list

Exactly my point. I’ve been your scumread from day 1. Why would you magically come back into the game after lurking just to say “why aren’t we lynching out of this list of my #1 scumread” and then immediately vote outside the list. It makes absolutely no sense.

[Amrun]

That’s not it chief.

i don't think i've liked more then a handfull of posts from Amrun and I'd lynch here in a heartbeat

now you are saying something's not AI but you scumread it anyway

That's not what she said.

{The Fonz, Untrod Tripod, Pine, Virgo the Immaculate (Titus), gobbledygook, Pink Ball

Ftr here is the list

wasn't there confirmed shooting power in this list?

why are we lynching outside of this?

Because being confirmed to be able to kill is not a fucking guilty
Go see Friends and Corpses for a harrowing lesson in that

That’s not how my role works. I know it’s confusing but I’m purposefully not outing exactly how it works.

The person on the list is almost definitely scum. There is a chance not scum. But not high I think.

Okaaay theeeen
I’ll probably revisit this later, with some firepower if your list flips majority town

It might flip majority town.

1 person on the list is the culprit.

The other 5 are literally random.

It is certainly not a smoking gun, but definitely info I didn’t want to die without imparting. And I didn’t think I could get a Virgo/Titus wagon rolling without it.

P-edit: what??

I don’t scumread her for THAT post. That is nonsensical. I started her wagon and have pushed it all day for entirely unrelated reasons.

Why do you want to lynch down my list if you scumread me anyway?

Three posts ina ROW calling you out for misrepping me, my dude. You are not trying to sort. No way.

[Amrun]

it's your friggin list

Exactly my point. I’ve been your scumread from day 1. Why would you magically come back into the game after lurking just to say “why aren’t we lynching out of this list of my #1 scumread” and then immediately vote outside the list. It makes absolutely no sense.

i've not been lurking this game

i've stated that we should be lynching inside your list, as that would be optimal play

because either everyone believes ur town, and they should follow a PR
or we believe ur scum and we lynch you

neither is happening and that's wrong

You just got publicly prodded, so I disagree about you lurking.

I agree with you about optimal play, but your thought progression was absolutely all over the place and seemed very ingenuine to me.

We are trying to lynch on the list and you JUST said you don’t want to lynch Titus. You make no sense.

[Amrun]

Iconeum- if you want to lynch in my list, why are you not wanting to lynch Titus?

P-edit: Well clearly I wasn’t aware of that either so...

[Amrun]

I agree with you about optimal play, but your thought progression was absolutely all over the place and seemed very ingenuine to me.

well think about what allignment being all over the place like that is most likely to come from for a minute lol

Ingenuine thought processes most often come from scum. Please answer my question.

[Amrun]

Also trying to start a new wagon at <48 hours left.

i'm not trying to start a wagon on amrun, i don't have the power to do that

i'm putting out here that amrun is scum and that's it

i'm not comfortable voting titus right now

and i've yet to see the reason for vorkuta wagon

That hardly matters in light of this post.

[Amrun]

Also trying to start a new wagon at <48 hours left.

i'm not trying to start a wagon on amrun, i don't have the power to do that

i'm putting out here that amrun is scum and that's it

i'm not comfortable voting titus right now

and i've yet to see the reason for vorkuta wagon

That hardly matters in light of this post.

i believe the slot i was voting for got replaced by Titus, around the time my weekend VLA started IIRC

What?! What are you even saying?

[Amrun]

I'm v confused. You were voting Virgo, Titus subs in on her main and then you didn't want to lynch Titus?

yeah this

WHY?!

[Amrun]

why not

Step A. Suggest lynching down list of Amrun’s results

Step B. Unvote said resultee to vote nonviable wagon or Amrun at nth hour

Step c. ???? Profit.


Why would you unvote a slot just because it was replaced - at deadline - when it follows your self espoused optimal play to vote that slot?

[Amrun]

When it was replaced with an alt of the same person no less

[Amrun]

Step D.

Ignore entirely and vote competing wagon to self espoused optimal play

P-edit: It’s a meme, iconeum. My point is it’s the most nonsensical, cognitive dissonance-filled play you could make, and you have offered ZERO explanation for it.

[Amrun]

Iconeum. Why are you, by your own admission, playing suboptimally?

[Amrun]

Did Titus’ replace in change your opinion of the slot? If so, how?

P-edit: why wouldn’t you want to flip the person on my list with a viable wagon right now, then? That’s my whole point.

[Amrun]

Iconeum. Why are you, by your own admission, playing suboptimally?

I think you see it as SubOptimal. I obviously don't. My thoughts on the matter are pretty clear.

No, you stated your idea of optimal play, which was either a) lynch me, or b) lynch off my list.

B) is viable right now, and a slot you ostensibly scumread, do not pursuing B is suboptimal play according to YOU.

[Amrun]

I don't think it's the right call to lynch off the list, TODAY.

However once that list shortens due to NK's, we'll be able to do so usefully.

When did your opinion on this change?

[Amrun]

I don't think it's the right call to lynch off the list, TODAY.

However once that list shortens due to NK's, we'll be able to do so usefully.

When did your opinion on this change?

around the time i made that post

Which post?

You hurt my soul, Iconeum.

[Amrun]

wasn't vorkuta the one actively trying to get the governor as well?

One of them, yes.

Amrun have we played together before?

Don’t think so, if your join date is accurate. Before this game I hadn’t played in about 6 years.


I don’t think your play makes sense if you just now decided to change your optimal strategy since you were playing against it for quite some time previous to that.

[Amrun]

doesn't it make sense from town!Icon, scum!Icon or both?

It honestly doesn’t make sense to me from a human being, but it makes relatively more sense from scum Icon because scum don’t have to stay internally consistent because they’re not scum hunting.

[Amrun]

doesn't it make sense from town!Icon, scum!Icon or both?

It honestly doesn’t make sense to me from a human being, but it makes relatively more sense from scum Icon because scum don’t have to stay internally consistent because they’re not scum hunting.

Huh. Do you realize town are a lot more free to spew thoughts then scum, and that scum are a LOT more worried about telling a consistent story then town?

Yes, it’s true that town is less appearance driven.

However, you didn’t seem particularly cognizant that you were being inconsistent at all, so that, in and of itself, is kind of null. That only works when the player is aware what they are doing is dissonant with what they are saying, and you didn’t display that awareness.

When it comes down to it, a disconnect between words and actions most often comes from scum.

For you, though... I’m on the fence. I will re evaluate tomorrow.

[Amrun]

@TSE, Why is Vork town?

Why haven't you shot me or one of the other wagons in range throughout the day?

I'm not claiming.

I don’t shoot.
Have you been paying attention?

“Shoot” is generic mafia term for kill.

[Amrun]

All Vork Lynch is doing is losing a town.
It solves absolutely nothing.
It gains absolutely nothing.
A Titus lynch confirms Enter’s alignment to be Mafia if Titus Flips Mafia.

Enter/Miss Lynch has been the biggest pusher of Titus besides myself. What?!

[Amrun]

Miss Lynch is also claimed 3p

[Amrun]

this is pretty convincing

This is a huge misrep.

[Amrun]

Did Titus’ replace in change your opinion of the slot? If so, how?

P-edit: why wouldn’t you want to flip the person on my list with a viable wagon right now, then? That’s my whole point.

Yes. It started playing.

I want to revisit this.

So your Virgo vote was a basic lurker vote? No other reasoning besides the list of your #1 scum read?

[Amrun]

Uh. Why am I voting vork? I've never voted vork in this game and my last voting action was to unvote Elements.

VOTE: Titus

There appears to be vote shenanigans.

[Amrun]

I'm not even sure when Vork went v/la. Kinda annoying that it wasn't announced or maybe it was and I missed it.

It was announced. Look, Titus is not the best lynch, but shhe's the best lynch available imho. Not a lot of love for what is basically "Lol I'm seeing associatives with Fonz and his town reads." I didn't like the TSE push, I don't like her claiming that TSE claiming that his execute ability kills the leading wagon is somehow something new he just made up rather than how he's been claiming it works all along.

Who would be the best lynch IMO (not that I want you to change your vote)

[Amrun]

Almost.

As in A50?

[Amrun]

Almost.

As in A50?

Yes.

Have you cased/explained this and I missed it? I don’t want to distract but I am curious.

[Amrun]

Almost.

As in A50?

Yes.

Have you cased/explained this and I missed it? I don’t want to distract but I am curious.

No. I'm very keen not to distract from the viable wagons by starting convos about others unless I think they're lock scum. I was in two minds about even naming another suspect. I tend to think that talking about people who aren't going to be lynched just helps scum plan ahead. I actually think LOATPs (lists of all the players) are antitown.

Roger.

[Amrun]

VOTE: Vorkuta

No gobble plz, stick with Titus

[Amrun]

Pink Ball: can you kill? If you are protown in any capacity you will answer this correctly.

[Amrun]

No, I can't kill. I can make someone disappear from this realm, but its not considered killing and its a 3p. Its not Miss Lynch sadly

Someone of your choosing, or someone in particular?

Is it repeatable?

[Amrun]

Someone in particular who I don't know who is. They don't know either

How do you know not Miss Lynch then?

[Amrun]

Where is your flavour confirmed?

BBmolla flavor copped him. Not that I necessarily think that proves anything about his role itself.

[Amrun]

I’m upset the day ended so quickly.

As it turned out, my list that day and today included Korina and is therefore useless, so it didn’t really matter that you didn’t let me post, but it still pissed me off.

That Titus flip was soooo nice though. So satisfying. Korina too to a lesser degree.

Anyone want to set up spec for me how many scum they think are left?

[Amrun]

XOFELF:

Are you immune to cult?

[Amrun]

I really dont know why we flipped from TSE to Virgin, we had a good wagon going and i see no reason why we shouldnt go back

Granted i didnt read the game so if you had a good reason, tough luck, we're going back to TSE

hey this is a fun post that tried to derail the Titus wagon

reupping this post

anyone have information they want to share about Mr Dong or can I go ahead and start deathtunneling the slot

Death tunnel!

VOTE: whoever is in dongempire slot, I forget

[Amrun]

Oh yes, extra kill the lurker, thanks

[Amrun]

@Amrun your list last night included a dead player?

Yes. Makes sense with my role. It’s like a night behind, basically. Hard to explain without being explicit.

[Amrun]

Fwiw Flavor Leaf was supremely unaware of everything going on with Titus wagon. Didn’t even know how it started (me) and thought I was a late joiner because I hopped off to PL TSE and then back on. I kinda feel like mafia would be more aware of that situation.

But he for sure could be cult.

[Amrun]

In fact I could see him culling Mena N1 ez

[Amrun]

In fact I could see him culling Mena N1 ez

*culting

[Amrun]

BTW, Zor could be groupscum. Or not. I’m confused.

He was also on both my new lists, but more importantly, I’m kinda confused by the inside job thing. Theoretically they were town when that happened, but why was the lie detector tipped off then? :/

P-edit: Kidman, how does that have anything to do with FL? What am I missing?

[Amrun]

Flavor is confirmed to be Bobert the drunk, an outsider who is stuck here because of the lockdown

Just so y’all know

I don’t know how this relates to role, though. I did forget about that, but remember now.

Theoretically this could be cult - “outsider” - though it does seem less likely.

[Amrun]

@Rauth: it does seem to make zor not groupscum, though.

@UT: what is wrong with the perfectly good dongempire wagon? Though kidamn is fine too. Hang em both.

[Amrun]

I am either Runelord-aligned or a Cult Recruiter.

I am either Runelord-aligned or a Cult Recruiter.

[Amrun]

My wincondition allows me to win with Cobble.

[Amrun]

Amrun, could you post all the lists that you have been given, even if you think they are are redundant?

Yes but it’ll take me a minute cuz phone posting from work.

Night 1: The Fonz, Untrod Tripod, Pine, Virgo the Immaculate, gobbledygook, Pink Ball

[Amrun]

Motivator could motivate me. Fuck.

[Amrun]

Night 2 : Korina, EspressoPatronum, zoraster, TrueSoulEnergy, Wooper, Untrod Tripod

[Amrun]

No, that’s not how my role works. I control it.

Night 3: Flavor Leaf, EspressoPatronum, Korina, zoraster, BBmolla, Pine

The fact of it is that it’s one true culprit and six random names. Korina’s presence, whether it’s one of the random ones or not, muddies the waters to make these lists useless.

[Amrun]

Ok at this point I’ll full claim since we are dancing around it.

I’m basically a forensic investigator. I investigate bodies and find out who killed it, along with 5 other random names.

Night 1 I inves chkflp and got my night 1 results. I just discovered I could do this with probing mod questions. I could have investigated coldheartedking but I thought chkflp’s flavor was more likely to be killed by groupscum.

Night 2 I inves Formerfish for the same reason.

Night 3 I flipped back and forth between Vorkuta and Menalque but ended up inves Vorkuta. I was worried I would get Korina and I did. Bad choice I guess. :/

Therefore, motivator would mean I could investigate two bodies from any night, and would be helpful.

[Amrun]

In other words, I could only “catch” the vig if I investigated a vig target, which I can easily avoid. And we know the claimed vig types are a elements and Firebringer.

Speaking of, Firebringer, have you poisoned anyone else?

[Amrun]

That’s a really cool ability amrun

I wish you would have done Mean though

I changed it last minute!!! Such regret!

[Amrun]

Wait... So were there Night 0 actions then?

I doubt it. But flavor wise, the scum would have done it, right?

Maybe my result was BS, idk, but I made it work haha.

P-edit: that’s actually true, I never put those dots together, EP! I’ll look at that when I have time.

[Amrun]

Legit forgot A50 was in the game

[Amrun]

Night 2 :

Korina

, EspressoPatronum, zoraster,

TrueSoulEnergy

, Wooper, Untrod Tripod

Right, but like. It could have been Korina doing the kill, so the other 5 names could be random.

P-edit: 6 names. I think I fucked up in my explanations somewhere, but in reality land, it’s 1 culprit, 5 randos.

[Amrun]

Oh ok. I haven’t had a chance to look back at that yet.

VOTE: Wooper

[Amrun]

VOTE: Wooper

why

I thought my progression was fairly obvious.

I think Amrun's Night 2 list includes scum other than Korina because it looks like Korina didn't kill formerfish. Out of the four remaining on that list, I think Wooper is the most likely to be scum

I don't really trust Amrun

Yo, you serious? As what, groupscum?

Are you high?

[Amrun]

yo your role is easily fakeable by scum and I don't really want to hold hands in magic fairyland and pick someone from a random list of people that *might* contain scum

I have actual reads

My lists definitely contain scum. And has caught scum.

It’s a weak investigative power and I think I’ve used it pretty wisely, to the betterment of town.

Do you really have reads? Because you seem to be flitting around lurker wagons today.

Please explain my play as groupscum motivated.

If you do not think I am groupscum, what do you think I am?

[Amrun]

Because you seem to be flitting around lurker wagons today.

miss me with that shit

Which one of dongempire slot and KidAmn isn’t a lurker wagon?

I don’t hate either of those wagons, but I feel like this read of me came out of nowhere and I really want to sort you since your progression makes no sense to me.

Please answer my questions. Please explain my play this game from the perspective of groupscum.

[Amrun]

I actually had a slight Town lean on Wooper day 1 but his willful lurking is inexcusable and there’s a mechanical reason to suspect him.

[Amrun]

Because you seem to be flitting around lurker wagons today.

miss me with that shit

Which one of dongempire slot and KidAmn isn’t a lurker wagon?

I don’t hate either of those wagons, but I feel like this read of me came out of nowhere and I really want to sort you since your progression makes no sense to me.

Please answer my questions. Please explain my play this game from the perspective of groupscum.

a. the fact that they are not super active players does not mean I am scumreading them FOR LURKING. this is not a difficult concept and it is easy to tell from my posts why I don't like them.
b. I don't have a strong read on you either way, and your role would be really easily fakeable by scum. I don't trust it enough to make choices based on it when I have other reads. again, this is not a difficult concept and it is easy to tell from my posts.
c. I'm not a huge fan of the EXPLAIN TO ME WHY I'M SCUM thing, so you can, again, miss me with that shit because if I was scumreading you I wouldn't be talking to YOU about it

A. I know you’re not. I’ve read your reasons. They don’t seem to be so compelling as to ignore investigative results.
B/C. I was specifically asking you to mentally examine my interaction with Titus as a scumteam interaction. Not because I want you to explain it to me, but because I want to see what level of mental gymnastics you go through to justify it. It is, in my opinion, completely unjustifiable. I say this to either 1) get you to re-examine as thoughtful town, and b) help me sort you. Also because you didn’t seem to have an issue with me day 1 so I don’t understand your read on me and I’d like to.

[Amrun]

But why not? Do you think it’s likely, or even possible, that me and Titus were partners? You can answer this even if you haven’t decided if we are partners.

[Amrun]

But why not? Do you think it’s likely, or even possible, that me and Titus were partners? You can answer this even if you haven’t decided if we are partners.

YES. BUSSING IS A THING. I DO IT ALL THE TIME AS SCUM.

It is more complicated than bussing or not bussing.

But clearly you aren’t interested in sorting me, or helping others sort you. Even if you want your own reads to go through as lynches you should want this.

But I am irritating you so I’ll let it go for now. I wasn’t trying to annoy you, though it is slightly interesting that I seem to be.

P-edit: It’s no smoking gun. It has to be combined with scumhunting. Right now, I don’t care if you are paying attention to my reads list. It’s not terribly relevant right now anyway. But it is information to be pooled with other info, EVEN IF you take my alignment with a grain of salt.

[Amrun]

what's this list of people for?

Your death

[Amrun]

likely some important PRs so I'm trying not to out them

Fair enough.

Any of them a moor spellcaster?

I thought the moor spellcaster was Titus.

[Amrun]

It’s Shakespearean for black people, KIND OF, but in this case, I’m not 100% sure it means that or if it’s a spellcaster that’s literally in a moor. Which is like a swamp/field/ambient environment that could hide a person casting a spell.

[Amrun]

Is moor a race?

It’s Shakespearean for black people, KIND OF, but in this case, I’m not 100% sure it means that or if it’s a spellcaster that’s literally in a moor. Which is like a swamp/field/ambient environment that could hide a person casting a spell.

Now that I’m not running for a busstop, let me clarify.

A Moor is a ye olde Muslim population that lived in modern day Spain and Portugal area. A common such person may be a “Berber Moor.” Most people that aren’t history buffs or similar may know this term from Shakespeare’s

Othello

.

However, contextually, I read it as a spellcaster hiding in the moor. A moor is a wide open space by definition, but has an implication of lots of heather-like vegetation that could hide someone.

Should have waited to post that one... thought spew. Sorry.

[Amrun]

P-edit: It’s no smoking gun. It has to be combined with scumhunting. Right now, I don’t care if you are paying attention to my reads list. It’s not terribly relevant right now anyway. But it is information to be pooled with other info, EVEN IF you take my alignment with a grain of salt.

I've played enough games where town has intentionally taken an L by saying "let's lynch inside this pool" that I have no fucking patience for it in any context

I don’t even think we have to lynch inside it. I just don’t want it to be ignored as an informational tool to add to other reads/PoE.

I didn’t even decide to post it day 1 until I decided that Virgo needed to die and I would use every tool at my disposal to make that happen.

[Amrun]

Can my fairly strong townreads in UT and Amrun please not fight?

Mommy and daddy will make up later.

[Amrun]

I don’t even think we have to lynch inside it.

that'll do. I will hold onto this quote for the next time you or someone else insists on voting inside your random pool of people.

Like Ut you’re a cult cop right. Amrun is death investigator. Those are very likely town roles

I was sort of hoping no one would bring this up again because I think people missed it.

The gamestate is different than day 2. Town was really directionless and I had a strong read that I used my role to reaction test. That led to scumflail, and a scum lynch.

I don’t want town to ignore my future lists with this dismissive attitude, but it should be part of a matrix of information that we use to inform our lynches.

I COMPLETELY missed the latter part of this post. 100%.

[Amrun]

Can we just kill Cyrus? It’s kinda shitty but I agree with A50, plus dongempire was scummy.

[Amrun]

We have to have a dayvig in a 40p game... please use the dayvig on cryus if you have one.

I think not. Just night vigs, or we would have seen it used by now if God is real.

[Amrun]

Gobble, where you going with this?

He used it to deduce that one of my lists, Korina wasn’t the killer, so it could be more informational than first thought.

P-edit: I am pretty sure Korina killed FF.

[Amrun]

Gobble, where you going with this?

He used it to deduce that one of my lists, Korina wasn’t the killer, so it could be more informational than first thought.

P-edit: I am pretty sure Korina killed FF.

Why do you think Korina killed FF?

Because I dug up FF’s body and got Korina’s name. Remember?

[Amrun]

Gobble, where you going with this?

He used it to deduce that one of my lists, Korina wasn’t the killer, so it could be more informational than first thought.

P-edit: I am pretty sure Korina killed FF.

No, I think EP has something here. The giant snake (probably korina) appears in the N1 post seemingly visiting the same person as the Orcus killer while FF is killed by an a similar woman in another scene.

Hmm.

Well my N1 list is specifically on Formerfish.

I need to re-read the flavor. I’m getting my nights mixed up.

[Amrun]

Fuck. N2 list is Formerfish kill from N1 I mean.

[Amrun]

Amrun, could you post all the lists that you have been given, even if you think they are are redundant?

Yes but it’ll take me a minute cuz phone posting from work.

Night 1: The Fonz, Untrod Tripod, Pine, Virgo the Immaculate, gobbledygook, Pink Ball

Night 2 : Korina, EspressoPatronum, zoraster, TrueSoulEnergy, Wooper, Untrod Tripod

No, that’s not how my role works. I control it.

Night 3: Flavor Leaf, EspressoPatronum, Korina, zoraster, BBmolla, Pine

The fact of it is that it’s one true culprit and six random names. Korina’s presence, whether it’s one of the random ones or not, muddies the waters to make these lists useless.

Ok at this point I’ll full claim since we are dancing around it.

I’m basically a forensic investigator. I investigate bodies and find out who killed it, along with 5 other random names.

Night 1 I inves chkflp and got my night 1 results. I just discovered I could do this with probing mod questions. I could have investigated coldheartedking but I thought chkflp’s flavor was more likely to be killed by groupscum.

Night 2 I inves Formerfish for the same reason.

Night 3 I flipped back and forth between Vorkuta and Menalque but ended up inves Vorkuta. I was worried I would get Korina and I did. Bad choice I guess. :/

Therefore, motivator would mean I could investigate two bodies from any night, and would be helpful.

I don’t have time to retype it, I’m obviously distracted by my toddler RN, sorry.

[Amrun]

And the orcus is the scumteam?

No. If you’re going to be so ridiculously out of touch that you don’t know who scumteam is, why should we lynch your “scum” read? You’re probably a lyncher.

[Amrun]

Night 2 : Korina, EspressoPatronum, zoraster, TrueSoulEnergy, Wooper, Untrod Tripod

Ok, this is the list for FF.

We know Korina didn't kill FF.
We know TSE didn't kill FF.
UT has claimed cult copscan, so it's unlikely (but unconfirmed that he didn't kill)
I can be confirmed if needed, but I'd rather not until it's a last resort.

That leaves fmpv Wooper or Zora as the aasimar woman.

Zora today. If he's not the aasimar, then we go Wooper.

VOTE: Zoraster

I think by PoE, it should be Wooper. We have a questionable clear on Zora. No such clear on Wooper.

That’s where my vote is. I just got the nights all jumbled in my mind when I was distracted. My bad.

[Amrun]

And also Wooper just posted a cheeky “Hi.” And that’s such a lurkfuck thing to do.

[Amrun]

And the orcus is the scumteam?

No. If you’re going to be so ridiculously out of touch that you don’t know who scumteam is, why should we lynch your “scum” read? You’re probably a lyncher.

Im not out of touch. Theres a scumteam, theres a cult and there are 3ps, thats all I need to know. I dont give a flying fuck about flavor, I don't get reads around that. So no, dont try to discredit me when I've correct in EVERY SINGLE FLIP with a D1 readlist.

If you want to solve the game by speculating through flavor, you do you.

The flavor is very specifically said by the mod to be relevant to the game. But knowing which flip is scumflip is not the same thing as pouring over the flavor. It’s just basic being-aware-of-gamestate stuff.

[Amrun]

I havent said it isnt relevant. Im useless at speculating through flavor. Im good at reading people I know and dealing with a healthy gamestate in orden to work cohesively.

So to be clearer: Im avoiding flavor cause I cant be helpful. Dont say Im out of touch when Im playing like that for the sake of getting center reads

That’s fine, but I don’t understand your FL read and it’s not very interesting to me :/

[Amrun]

I havent said it isnt relevant. Im useless at speculating through flavor. Im good at reading people I know and dealing with a healthy gamestate in orden to work cohesively.

So to be clearer: Im avoiding flavor cause I cant be helpful. Dont say Im out of touch when Im playing like that for the sake of getting center reads

That’s fine, but I don’t understand your FL read and it’s not very interesting to me :/

I will give a cliff notes version:
- Flavor Leaf is a pretty notorious scum player
- He fakeclaims every possible role during the course of the game "hiding his real claim"
- He does this regardless of alignment, since he does this as town, it helps his scum game
- Flavor Leaf regardless of alignment, plays erratically
- Flavor Leaf in this game has claimed the following: 3rd party, uncultable
- InsideJob before he went down claimed he had a guilty on Flavor Leaf
- Flavor Leaf claiming 3rd party uncultable AS scum is totally a move he would make for the above stated reasons

I missed the inside job having a guilty on him bit. The rest is WIFOM and I don’t really care that much. I’ve played with some of his alts so I knew.

The guilty is interesting. That’s an ok lynch or vig too then.

[Amrun]

UT ~doesn’t trust me~

[Amrun]

VOTE: Zorooster

Why not Wooper?


I’m also still ok with dongempire/Cyrus lynch tbh

[Amrun]

I am ok with both, but I want Zorooster right now cause I like supporting my Team Mafia buddy

Amrun is probably the most town thing in this game right now objectively. She is the town leader we need but don’t deserve.

I need to sig this or something.

[Amrun]

VOTE: Zorooster

Why not Wooper?


I’m also still ok with dongempire/Cyrus lynch tbh

If you'll vote with a cyrus lynch I'll promise to lynch one of zor or wooper

I will. If there’s support I’m fine with it.

[Amrun]

aaron voted literally everyone except titus yesterday

and specifically said 'hi" to her

so not looking too good

I hadn’t ISOed him yet but I had a lower scumread on Aaron.

I still think Dave is town. Gamma townlean too.

[Amrun]

aaron voted literally everyone except titus yesterday

and specifically said 'hi" to her

so not looking too good

I hadn’t ISOed him yet but I had a lower scumread on Aaron.

I still think Dave is town. Gamma townlean too.

good we agree on everyone

let's lynch

Have you caught up on today yet?

I want to lynch Wooper or dongempire/Cyrus slot today.

[Amrun]

why is ducks scum?

aaron voted literally everyone except titus yesterday

and specifically said 'hi" to her

so not looking too good

I hadn’t ISOed him yet but I had a lower scumread on Aaron.

I still think Dave is town. Gamma townlean too.

good we agree on everyone

let's lynch

Have you caught up on today yet?

I want to lynch Wooper or dongempire/Cyrus slot today.

no, i haven't

why?

My lovely list pegs Wooper by PoE. It’s a little more complicated but catch up and you’ll see.

Cyrus has requested replacement, his predecessor was scummy, and do we really hate anyone enough to make them replace in?

[Amrun]

My vote is on Wooper so ostensibly I agree. However, I think dongs actually was fairly scummy so I’m still ok with that.

[Amrun]

Pisskop, is Wooper town for you or just null? I have role results that make him much more likely scum than town.

[Amrun]

null

And I also like them sooo

What is your read of me?

Btw, liking them doesn’t mean they’re town.

[Amrun]

waiting for the midgame bb

This is day 4. Time to step up.

[Amrun]

Gobble is town.

Icon I will sort later. I didn’t forget my head splitting convo with them.

[Amrun]

Gobble is town

So someone points out that gobble said he's FN (strictly town role), then said he's not FN, also said his wincon 'allows to win alongside town'

and you conclude he's town?

Yes. Because you haven’t bothered to read the game. Everyone was saying that for the lie detector. Herpaderp.

Gobble was a friendly neighbor with a heavy post restriction that he broke and had a consequence for. His play had been very townie. And he’s read the goddamn game.

[Amrun]

Gobble was a friendly neighbor with a heavy post restriction that he broke and had a consequence for

I don't remember there being public information about this?

Because you’re not reading.

I need clapping emojis for this one.

[Amrun]

My wincondition allows me to win with Cobble.

... Couldn't you just use your Friendly Neighbor on me to get the same effect without me using my ability on you?

Since I lost the post restriction, I no longer have my friendly neighbor ability. It was a "bargain" I was given.

Mmm this sounds like some BS
You were given a post-restriction that ALSO gave you a FN?

No, my role is that I am a friendly neighbor. Someone targeted me with a post restriction power. The consequence for not abiding by the post restriction is I have lost my power. I figured that would be fine since I had already used my power successfully.

What are your opinions on like anyone else in the game?

In a game with alignment switching roles why would you say this?

It’s obvious and requires explanation since someone outted him as FN on day 1 when all he could post was “gobble.”

Of course gobble could be a cult recruit. But he’s not groupscum.

And honestly I feel like he might have gotten Korina’s “brownie” since Korina was silenced d1.

[Amrun]

Of course gobble could be a cult recruit. But he’s not groupscum.

This is exactly what I think about gobbles.

I dont quite get the ico flak.

You’re wrong, though. Gobble isn’t Cult Leader and by basic process of elimination, we have killed all the cult recruits, plus xofelf’s role.

[Amrun]

And also, gamma pointed out you said that your wincon is 'agreeable' or smt like that with town wincon. That implicates that you not only lost your role, but your Town Status as well.

Am I wrong with this assumption as well?

Even gamma, who clearly also hasn’t read, immediately realized he was wrong.

You hurt my soul, iconeum.

[Amrun]

OH MY GOD I reached a new level of forgetting someone was in a game.

I thought Dr Easy Bake must have replaced cyrus.

[Amrun]

Wow, Dr Easy Bake’s ISO is awful.

[Amrun]

zora is a better lynch than wooper. by miles.

Why?

Please keep in mind that zor has been cleared by InsideJob. It is possible, but unlikely, that zor is cult, but extremely unlikely zor is groupscum.

[Amrun]

zora is a better lynch than wooper. by miles.

Why?

Please keep in mind that zor has been cleared by InsideJob. It is possible, but unlikely, that zor is cult, but extremely unlikely zor is groupscum.

If I'm not mistaken, the post clearing Zora came back as false to Rauth's lie detector.

zora is a better lynch than wooper. by miles.

Why?

Please keep in mind that zor has been cleared by InsideJob. It is possible, but unlikely, that zor is cult, but extremely unlikely zor is groupscum.

If I'm not mistaken, the post clearing Zora came back as false to Rauth's lie detector.

That, and I have a town lean from wooper.

Yes. It could be IJ lied about what JOAT ability was used, or that the false part was that they can guarantee Zoroaster is town (like maybe they wouldn’t die to cult), but they were probably town the night it happened, and at worst cult, so it’s pretty unlikely Zoroaster is groupscum, period. Use common sense here.

[Amrun]

so why is wooper scum?

He’s lurkfucking right now. All he posted today was “Hi.” He’s stayed pretty uninvolved with all important town happenings, seemingly on purpose.

More importantly, my list from Formerfish’s kill implicates Wooper heavily by PoE, which is stated many, many times by now.

[Amrun]

He’s exaggerating what I’ve said to push gobble

I think its a crappy thing to do, to delete your own self confirming role.

He could literally only post gobble.

[Amrun]

I'm like 0% defending myself here but me lurksacking on purpose is absurd. I post here when I check into the site but I'm not reading up on 10 pages at a time.

If you want me tryharding wait 'til there's a lot less people and this game is less mechanical. If you don't care much cya

That’s the definition of lurksacking on purpose. You posted “Hi.” today to prod dodge.

There’s plenty of people not reading the game, and managing to still post content of some kind and not just mindlessly prod dodge.

P-edit: give is us a description of your character, please.

[Amrun]

That’s the definition of lurksacking on purpose. You posted “Hi.” today to prod dodge.

I posted hi because I had nothing to contribute. I haven't been in prod range once lol

What description are you after?

What does your character look like? Standard flavor description. What race/species is your character? Man or woman?

[Amrun]

Why the fuck would this tell you anything about my slignment? It's more likely to soft at my role lmao

You would know why if you read the fucking game, Wooper.

[Amrun]

Why the fuck would this tell you anything about my slignment? It's more likely to soft at my role lmao

You would know why if you read the fucking game, Wooper.

no, he's right

tse was a spider

We are trying to see if he was the particular flavor that killed Formerfish, so, yes, it was relevant, but won’t be now that I’ve said it.

[Amrun]

Missed that post: probably yes but I have nearly no motivation to backread this

Amrun do you agree with the town!Zor stuff UT/fireb are saying?

Yes. InsideJob cleared zoraster. They were town turned cult. We also have other info on cult recruit numbers. It’s reasonably certain no cult recruits are left alive, and fairly certain Zoraster is not groupscum. He could theoretically be cult leader. These things may need to be revisited in the future but he is mechanically poor lynch for the day.

[Amrun]

........
You're taking cult!InsideJob's word that Zor... isn't cult...?

What universe did I wake up in

No. We are taking their word he isn’t groupscum, for now.

We know for other reasons he’s not a cult recruit.

[Amrun]

ok let's assume that's not completely stupid for a moment. why the {wooper, zor} dichotomy in the first place?

Because I dug up Formerfish’s body and you two are the only ones on a list of five we feel could be the killer. The killer is definitely on the list.

[Amrun]

Night 2 : Korina, EspressoPatronum, zoraster, TrueSoulEnergy, Wooper, Untrod Tripod

i see that this is the list people are talking about

i'm quoting it here so i don't have to do the work to find it again

VOTE: zor

This is the post.

I thought InsideJob was lying?

Just because InsideJob became cultist doesn't make what was a truth into a lie, right? A lie has to be something someone says, knowing what they say is false.

Or is that not how the lie detector works?

They were almost definitely town when they said it, so they probably were telling the truth, ostensibly. The theory is they may have lied about what JOAT power was used, or that they couldn’t know zoraster was TOWN at that juncture, just not groupscum.

It is possible zoraster is the cult recruiter. Either way the chances he killed Formerfish are much lower than Wooper.

It’s worth revisiting at a later date but it is the wrong play to lynch him first.

P-edit: I agree, in a way, Pink Ball. But town drunk also doesn’t seem like a very scummy flavor. Idk. An FL lynch isn’t awful but I disagree that we can’t lynch him later in a game of this size, with vig too.

[Amrun]

Also FWIW EP has said he is confirmable, and UT has claimed cult cop. They are theoretically possible, but have been excluded for today for good reason IMO.

[Amrun]

I really don't like the whole zoraster situation.
the player reads as individually scummy, and the "confirmation" for him is about as solid as rice pudding.

Agreed. However, this is a big game. Mechanically it’s still the wrong choice.

[Amrun]

Or is that not how the lie detector works?

I did a bad and didn't realize that the post would almost always be false due to the game using NAR, which I only realized after Inside got executed. In retrospect, if the result had been true it would have been a guaranteed guilty, because that would mean Inside was a hider that targeted zoraster and also that Inside was the cult recruit that night.

No, I dont really want to talk to you anymore.

nice
so you can misrep me but when i call you out on it you don't want it anymore

i get it, i've been there too

Did you read this? I didn’t explain it very well.

Essentially we should ignore the lie detector on that post. It was doomed. Instead, why would IJ lie? Probably they wouldn’t. So we should look elsewhere for today.

[Amrun]

I can’t tell where scum’s angle shooting me from

Bro there is a cop guilty on you

[Amrun]

I can’t tell where scum’s angle shooting me from

Bro there is a cop guilty on you

When did that happen???

InsideJob claimed it as they were going down. Firebringer said he’d vig him though so Idc.

[Amrun]

VOTE: InsideJob711
Explain yourself. 4860 is false.

thats what I did dude
I also have a cop guilty on FL btw

[Amrun]

Oh, yeah, InsideJob was trying to take me down the entire time because I nailed them as scum/not town.

They were town, though. They had JUST gotten culted.

[Amrun]

I’d have to be the leader if I were cult, right?

I don’t interact that way with my cultee’s. In a game this big, it’s much stronger to spread yourself out into different multi connected social groups, rather than revolve all around one.

I’m not the one trying to lynch you. I think you’ll resolve yourself. I’d appreciate if you’d try to contribute more if you’re town, though.

[Amrun]

It’s totally Pink Ball, by the way.

Possible

[Amrun]

It’s totally Pink Ball, by the way.

What is?

Cult leader, he was saying

[Amrun]

I don’t think any of Pink Ball’s recruits were about you, FL, if she is the cult leader.

[Amrun]

FL, just vote Wooper to kill scum and we will worry about cult later plz.

[Amrun]

But I’d rather take a scum than a nothing, why is Wooper scum?

I did notice his bad voting patterns, but I haven’t had the time to look into him much

Please, please at least read this day phase. It’s not even that long.

[Amrun]

Btw when FL was calling inside job scum. He was probably town at the time because he was RECRUITED. So FL saying “I spotted inside job early and was pushing it” is fucking hilarious given that he was probably pushing town, and didn’t even push inside job when he was converted.

But no cult recruits are alive.

[Amrun]

We can lynch FL right

We could. But we shouldn’t.

[Amrun]

@FB re timelines if cults.

When do we think InsideJob was recruited? That may have influenced whether their hider claim was true or not.
[...]

Here's what I think:

Menalque was probably recruited N2 because we decided his character (red-haired elf) was a pseudo-confirmed town on D2.

TSE was probably recruited N3 because we collectively decided that a) he was very likely town, and b) even if he wasn't, we needed him around to speed up lynches.

If the above two are correct, Inside Job was the N1 recruit.

I think it could be flipped InsideJob vs Menalque. After IJ claimed to hide.

[Amrun]

Nope, as I said if I were ascetic I would have claimed it first post. Fml pc BBM is confirmed blocked that night.

my motivated ability worked though

??

what happened exacrly?

I was motivated

you were my first target and my action failed

second action succeeded

Does anyone have an explanation of how this interacts with Wooper’s claim in a way that lets Wooper be town?

I’m not feeling as good about Wooper lynch now, seriously not gonna lie. :/ his responses have been like, annoyingly adamant about not reading the game he signed up to play, but I honestly never felt Wooper was measurably scummy by actions except for deliberately lurkfucking, which he is guilty of. Idk. :/

Zor not posting is making me kind of pissed.

[Amrun]

However, the more I think about it, very little explains the bbmolla interaction sooooo lets just lynch Wooper or we will drown in WIFOM.

[Amrun]

Elements, I request you kill cyrus62 slot so we don’t have to replace it. Firebringer has said he will kill FL

Also one of those two is probably SK. Ugh

[Amrun]

Eh, he was top spammer. Doesn’t bother me.

[Amrun]

I mean, honestly, I townread Creature too, but day 1 I was literally begging for a Creature vig ANYWAY, sooooo...

[Amrun]

I mean, two possibilities here:
Elements is the Orcus kill and Korina was a JOAT shot or some other unclaimed kill.
Elements is a vig that killed Korina and happened to shoot alongside the Orcus kill last night.

So who killed Vork?

Definitely Runelords. He was counterwagon to Titus and they were literally stealing votes to put on his wagon. I thought this was bloody obvious.

I'm actually very confused by all this for reasons and have asked the mod to clarify some stuff but for now:

I'm a cobble aligned vigilante.
Flavor wise, I am a mercenary from the organisation of the flaming fist.

Why didn’t you shoot last night?

There was no one I wanted to shoot

Menalque was sacrificed to Orcus N2! They were Margaret Krimsen: Ascension-Aligned Lover Turned Cultist

I think the most likely explanation is one of:

A) elements is Orcus SK and has lied

B) he cross killed with Orcus last night

I think B. I’d like to wait for flavor write up to see and think we should move discussion elsewhere for now.

[Amrun]

We have “murdered”, “murdered in the middle of the town”, “sacrificed to Orcus”, “committed suicide”, and “killed” as the kill flavors. I think the only one we can actually account for is suicide because Fonz was a lover. We might have less grasp of this game than I originally thought.

Can we account for any of the kills?

I don’t think it’s an issue at all. The kills have been 100% straightforward from scum side, IMO. Flavor clarifies from there.

[Amrun]

“Died in an explosion” was scum, N0. We know this because I dug up the body and we lynched Titus off the list. Flavor wise, they were aiming for someone else, and it was clearly a coordinated kill. Chkflp wasn’t the murder target.

All other variations were “murder” because the intended targets died.

“Killed” is, I think, Elements.

Orcus is whatever they are.

Committed suicide was just lovers.

The weird one is actually “pelted with arrows” on N0 actually.

[Amrun]

“Killed” is, I think, Elements.

why do you believe this.

Just to remind you:

I killed creature

Creature was sacrificed to Orcus N3! They were Quickdraw Daniels: Cobble-Aligned Super Saint

Because a cross kill would take on the more interesting kill flavor. That’s why I think it’s a cross kill. I want to reserve judgment on this until I see flavor for last night.

Regardless, “killed” is some non Runelord kill.

[Amrun]

wait, can someone walk me through why Amrun's result on Vorkuta couldn't have been Korina?

My Vorkuta result WAS Korina.

We are discussing my Formerfish result.


For the record, I think my list should be used as ONE part of a larger picture, and not the ONLY reason to lynch someone unless we have narrowed it down to 1.

However, I think a reasonable pool of 2-4 people PLUS bbmolla’s action failing and him not being silenced is a decent reason to lynch. I’d still entertain other lynches.

[Amrun]

I will say, Miss Lynch is most likely not Runelord. I give her almost full credit for that Titus lynch.

She legit bargained with me to get my vote there which snowballed it.

Of course ML isn’t Runelord.

However, you seem to have some deep misunderstandings about that wagon, how it started, and how it actually came to lynch. You really aren’t reading at all and I am disappoint.

[Amrun]

I will say, Miss Lynch is most likely not Runelord. I give her almost full credit for that Titus lynch.

She legit bargained with me to get my vote there which snowballed it.

okay so the mod has told me two things:

1. Flavor of kills is down to who submitted first.
2. Yes, you can both do an action and kill.

Ugh. This makes it more complicated.

[Amrun]

But for the second, yes, I think it casts doubt on Korina not killing night 2.

If the first person to submit gets their kill flavor on it, doesnt it stand to reason that person also will have carried out the kill for the purposes of Amrun's role?

I would think so but I will try and ask mod.

But for the second, yes, I think it casts doubt on Korina not killing night 2.

If the first person to submit gets their kill flavor on it, doesnt it stand to reason that person also will have carried out the kill for the purposes of Amrun's role?

Depends on if scum can choose who does the kill or not, I would think?

Why WOULDN’T scum be able to choose this?

P-edit: That was always the case. That’s not news. That’s why I didn’t intend to claim early and intentionally tried no to catch an NK. However, it still does make many things slightly more complicated.

[Amrun]

I will say, Miss Lynch is most likely not Runelord. I give her almost full credit for that Titus lynch.

She legit bargained with me to get my vote there which snowballed it.

Of course ML isn’t Runelord.

However, you seem to have some deep misunderstandings about that wagon, how it started, and how it actually came to lynch. You really aren’t reading at all and I am disappoint.

All that mattered was I voted, and I told TSE to execute.

Get your head out of your ass and play the game.

[Amrun]

Also, fine with lynching Wooper, Iconeum, cyrus62, or potentially RCEnigma today. Maybe aaronfrost

[Amrun]

VOTE: Iconeum

Don’t hammer until I get my mod answer in case I die please

[Amrun]

I am playing the game. I’m the highest poster alive. Just because I don’t have any current analysis that hasn’t been spoken doesn’t mean I’m not.

I’ve given loads of my thoughts. I’ve essentially given you guys unfiltered comments because I’m thought vomiting. Whatever comes to my mind I post.

I also actively was explaining people what my role was last night.

Don’t look at things at a surface level.

You’re so out of touch with game state you have no idea.


I actually think you’re town.

High post count doesn’t equal content. Most of yours is useless because you have no idea what’s going on. Are you role playing your flavor?

[Amrun]

Ok. MOD CONFIRMATION!

The kill submitted first makes the kill, period. My ability, and heavily implied also for flavor.

So we are all good.

[Amrun]

I missed why we're wagoning Iconeum. can anyone give me the elevator pitch?

They can’t articulate a stance on anything that makes any modicum of sense. Their stance on me, throughout the game, has been full of cognitive dissonance. Other people may have other reasons. For me, they haven’t been internally consistent, which has a higher than random chance of flipping scum.

I’d rather lynch Wooper but it doesn’t seem to be happening.

[Amrun]

50% Wynaut
50% Good Company

I dunno, Amrun's claimed role makes it extremely likely that it's just Wooper?

People got nervous that because mod confirmed scum can be multitasking that Korina did the night kill after all. However, I don’t think so.

Fuck it.

VOTE: wooper

I am still hoping this happens.

[Amrun]

I dunno, Amrun's claimed role makes it extremely likely that it's just Wooper?

My reservation on the wooper thing is: EP's push there is gross. I see it as likely to be chaining town lynches. Wooper's reaction seemed entirely reasonable, but everyone was acting like it was unreasonable.

With that said, I'm not townreading wooper and it's not a bad wagon. It's just not the slam dunk OMG THIS IS SCUM 100% people seem to want to paint it as.

EP said he would be able to confirm himself if push came to shove. However, he’s not disregarded.

Bbmolla’s role conflicts with wooper’s in a way that makes him more likely scum too.

It’s a pretty good lunch - mechanical, yes. But good nevertheless.

[Amrun]

I view the bbmolla interaction as a soft guilty as well. I will never trust wooper slot.

I’m not saying it’s impossible the killer is EP. I do have a town read on him though.

[Amrun]

Be nice, UT. He is but a turkey.

[Amrun]

Kidamn you're claiming jk right? Rauth targeted night 1 and FL night 2?

Nobody has an opinion about Kid claiming rauth was JKed?

Not really. His ability might not be blockable. Makes me think kidamn is town though.

[Amrun]

yea, I kinda liked how he came out and voted. I think he is town for how late in the day it came out, but I cant help but wonder why it came now when the wooper wagon is cemented instead of at daybreak.

I think it was just that he wasn’t reading and just then latched in to the fact Rauth actioned on night 2.

But I mean he was cop inno on day 1.

Kidamn, why did you choose to target Rauth?

[Amrun]

I killed creature

VOTE: Elements

Creature was "Sacrificed to the Orcus". That has happened to 2 other players before, and yet you claim you have NOT killed anyone on N2. It thus follows that you're either lying here (about killing Creature) or that it's actually a factional kill and someone else did the kill on N2.

Yo

Please

READ THE CURRENT DAYPHASE AT LEAST

This is goddamn painful.

[Amrun]

So am I correct in assuming that 'sacrificed to Ocrus' is Elements's kill flavor which means he also killed Chemist and Menalque.

That's what I'm saying. He saud he killed NO ONE on N2 though. Go figure.

No. This has been hashed out already. Leave it the fuck alone and read. On what planet would lynching an SK-at-worst today be what you wanted to do with our time anyway?

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[Amrun]

waiting for the midgame bb

This is day 4. Time to step up.

It’s still 15 pages a day, mostly of trash. I don’t feel bad. I’ll be the mid- to late-game hero this game needs, but doesn’t deserve.

Looks like Wooper’s at L-1, if skimming this page is accurate. Give me a good reason and I’ll hammer to move this farce along.

He has two roles (mine, and BBmolla’s) that indicate he’s higher than average chance to flip scum. They’re not 100% but decent.

[Amrun]

What’s your role? Or indication or whatever if you haven’t claimed. Also what is BB exactly, I picked up on him being a protown PR from earlier skimming.

I dig up bodies and get a list of the killer + 5 random names. My list with wooper on it isn’t definitive but the PoE is pretty strong IMO.

Bbmolla is a flavor cop who was motivated last night. He targeted wooper and his action failed but someone else and it succeeded. Wooper denies being ascetic or anything that could explain that.

Again.... not smoking gun but he also absolutely refuses to play pro town sooooo.

[Amrun]

Please end this day. I have a stomach virus and don’t have the energy for this shit anymore.

[Amrun]

VOTE: Wooper

I’m the motivator, btw. Jingle/BB/BB so far. Suggestions who to motivate next?

Meeeeee

[Amrun]

Is that all you have to say now that you’re caught up, Dave?

[Amrun]

Guys! Pine motivated me.

I got 2 lists. Which thank goodness because zoraster was on one of them.

P-edit: aaaaaand elements was on the other. So kinda useless.

[Amrun]

VOTE: Elements

Definitely SK, corresponded by list

[Amrun]

Menalque: (xofelf, Rautherdir, Amrun, Elements, Pine, EspressoPatronum)

TrueSoulEnergy: (pisskop, Miss Lynch, Untrod Tripod, Cephrir, zoraster, KidAmn)

I haven’t analyzed flavor yet but assuming at this moment that TSE was killed by zoraster.

[Amrun]

Well amrun you're off the hook for lending me a vote on cyrus

Yeah man fucking Aaron Frost is a hero.


And no way you’re scum with zor here so I can take off my tinfoil. Everybody’s happy!

[Amrun]

what if amrun killed menal? :

o

Chk actually had a spicy comment in there about my name being on the list. It is funny that it can work like that.

[Amrun]

I’m sad Bingle stole my thunder.


I was going to come into today voting zor since he was on the list again, and with reasonable proof Elements SK.

Neither were necessary. Ha.

[Amrun]

if we kill elements right now i have to take his alignment and role and i really don't want that can we please just lynch icon

Just right now? Does it matter if we kill him at a later date?

We have to kill him eventually.

I’m 100% cool with lynching Icon today and leashing elements. Just concerned elements won’t leash.

[Amrun]

tbh im really worried bingle is just scum who outted the sk for points and get them off his back?

but bingle should know better i feel

Eh was like 85% likely SK after his Creature claimed kill yesterday after flavor came out.

[Amrun]

So we are still looking for the Aasimir woman from the night 1 flavor because Zoraster was not.

https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Orik_Vancaskerkin

UT were you scum this whole time? :/

Well shit.

If EP is comfortable, maybe he should confirm then.

I really get strongly that UT and zor weren’t teamed. :/

[Amrun]

wording isn't clear but i think if we wait until there are less than a quarter of the player base i get my role and elements won't affect it anymore

Your role?

[Amrun]

Pisskop, are you counterclaiminf BBmolla? What is going on here?

[Amrun]

wording isn't clear but i think if we wait until there are less than a quarter of the player base i get my role and elements won't affect it anymore

Your role?

i don't have one yet...

“You get your role”

What do you mean by that?

Are you specifically chained to Elements?

P-edit: No. bbmolla has claimed flavor cop. And even ML hasn’t claimed ML is town.

[Amrun]

claimed flavor cop

i dont have flavor. i have a name

Ok, and how did you get that name? Seems reeaaaal similar to BBmolla and I trust him more.

Also, the chance that ML is groupscum in this game is ZERO.

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Strongest supporter of the Titus wagon after me. Absolutely should be making us eat shit for not lynching zor yesterday, though Wooper was still mechanically better and I would have for sure wanted to lynch zor today regardless.

Not groupscum.

[Amrun]

So ML you’re aligned with the SK basically. :/

[Amrun]

Bingle, how do you suggest we go about lynching cult?

[Amrun]

Ok, and how did you get that name? Seems reeaaaal similar to BBmolla and I trust him more.

Also, the chance that ML is groupscum in this game is ZERO.

i mean ml just claimed traitor soooo

To SK. Not to groupscum.

[Amrun]

i literally just have to ensure that there is enough death that orcus is satisfied and we win and then leave. which we achieve by getting to <10 players

which is something i've personally been pushing for by killing scum

but if you kill elements i become sk and then i lose that wincon and it's two more players you ahve to worry about

How is it two more players?


I want to keep you around but if we could use you as vig it would be pretty cool. Not gonna lie.

[Amrun]

if we kill elements right now i have to take his alignment and role and i really don't want that can we please just lynch icon

or we kill elements, then we kill a claimed non-town alligned player

Go away, scum.

[Amrun]

ML you shouldnt have claimed 3p for no reason, that way you could be lynching elements today and merrily SKing your way to victory atop a pile of townreads

This is true. I wouldn’t have lynched you in this case, ML.

[Amrun]

if we kill elements right now i have to take his alignment and role and i really don't want that can we please just lynch icon

or we kill elements, then we kill a claimed non-town alligned player

Go away, scum.

i'm town

I’d like to prove it with rope.

[Amrun]

i know a lot of people prolly wouldn't have lynched me

i just wanted to play a good town game

but this is actually the worst mafia game ever for me

there's game related shit in the flavor (which i almost never read)
i got made a traitr
my partner is absent all the time

i really just wanted to lynch scum

We did lynch scum!! Did you celebrate at the Titus flip? I was so pumped! It made me love mafia again. I forgot that feeling.

[Amrun]

FB was the scum kill... why?

It is fucking bizarre.

[Amrun]

FB was the scum kill... why?

It is fucking bizarre.

Well, it isn't if he was threatening to poison one of them.

I plan to ISO but the only person I remember him threatening to poison was FL. Who was not scum.

[Amrun]

i know a lot of people prolly wouldn't have lynched me

i just wanted to play a good town game

but this is actually the worst mafia game ever for me

there's game related shit in the flavor (which i almost never read)
i got made a traitr
my partner is absent all the time

i really just wanted to lynch scum

We did lynch scum!! Did you celebrate at the Titus flip? I was so pumped! It made me love mafia again. I forgot that feeling.

I was very happy with the Titus flip. I begged and bargained for days for that flip, and we even managed to prevent Vorkuta and other stupid flips that day!

Why did you have to lynch Wooper over Zor, though? Didn't you see the terrible case EP was making for Wooper?

Honestly... I still feel better about the PoE on wooper first. I think it was logical.

Zor I was going to come in guns blazing for today.


But I actually also want EP to confirm himself. Immediately.

[Amrun]

i think you did fine. Sometimes the best roles are those that are negative, because they force you to play differently.

You believe ML now? What is going on?!

[Amrun]

I do believe ML. Pisskop didn’t.

And we are pushing you, Iconeum, because of the absolute bullshit you pulled day 2 with your cognitive dissonance.

[Amrun]

Im kind of for leashing an sk, if only to not waste a lynch on what ml is claiming. and the extra town-driven kill is nice

^

Also, lynching elements means we have to then lynch ml, which is two cult recruits without a lynch between them.

EP claimed to be confirmable, btw, resolve that today.

EP confirmed to me last night

In what way