Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:05 pm

https://pathfinder.fandom.com/wiki/Xanesha - this is Korina’s flavor role. If you look in the N1 flavor you will see mention of snakes. The kill on the Orc (Formerfish) seems to be down by an Aasimir woman.

https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Lyrie_Akenja - this is titus flavor name

According to the actual DND game, Titus’s flavor name (Akenja) was recruited by an Aasimir woman. Specifically, she was recruited by this woman. https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Nualia_Tobyn

Since we know an Aasimir woman is related to a scum role (Akenja) it is likely they are a flavor name for a scum in this game. Additionally, since we know from N1 kill flavor that an Aasimir woman killed an Orc, it is very likely Nualia. So, putting it all together, even though Korina is flipped scum and on that list, according to the N1 flavor, he did not kill the Orc. So it does not matter if Korina was on that list. If we kill Nualia with a lynch, the others on that list are confirmed to have not killed Formerfish. They could still be scum independent of these facts.

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:06 pm

Wooper is literally refusing to do anything and even without this list it is scummy.

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:09 pm

At this point, Wooper, you saying you don’t understand the dichotomy is on you. I have explained why. Ep has explained why. CEO’s has explained why. Full stop.

If you don’t want to claim so we can find some flavor bits to confirm your action and maybe not lynch you, that’s on you.

You digging your head into the sand is on YOU.

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:11 pm

In post 9305, pisskop wrote:
In post 9301, gobbledygook wrote:Wooper is literally refusing to do anything and even without this list it is scummy.
ugh, you just got done saying that this list didnt prove or disprove anything, and yet youre clinging to it.

Pisskop. Either pick Wooper is scum because of the list or pick Wooper is scum because of his play. It’s not hard. Both options show that Wooper is scum.

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:11 pm

In post 9306, Wooper wrote:Look I'm fine if you guys want to flavour and mech game. I don't see a useful way to spend my time rn so I intend to go back to waiting this out. If you're happy to explain stuff to me I'm happy to offer my opinion on it - if you lynch me today you'll be dissatisfied and probably lynch somewhere in Zor/UT too. Coincidentally the thing you're presenting as a mechanical pentochomy is no longer a mechanical pentochomy.. Outside of that I have very little interest in this dialogue.

Just please don't come asking me to have opinions on stuff that's buried somewhere in the thread because I haven't read it. And please don't feel like you're entitled to any more of my time than I'm willing to put into this.

I know it's a big game and you're putting in a tonne of effort early and I admire that a whole heap. It's just not me at all. If you lynch me that's fine. It won't reveal a lot about that mech thing and I've been so close to universally pushed that you're unlikely to find scum off it. But I will not lose any sleep.

If not, I'll come out to play later.

FUCKING READ THE FIRST POST ON THIS OAGE JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:12 pm

I wish I had a Vig shot so I could just shoot myself in the head.

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:16 pm

In post 9319, Wooper wrote:Gobble... Step away. You put down a bunch of links to a Pathfinder Wiki and asked me to look at that in response to me saying not to ask me to have opinions on flavourgaming stuff I don't give a shit about.

We're not going to find a middle ground here. If you want one, vote me and go get a cup of tea.

I just want you to play man. Like you keep saying “I don’t understand” and the people are giving you the tools and information to understand and you’re like “I don’t understand” and it’s just like ok?? Do something then to show us your alignment? And then you’re like “I don’t understand and I won’t be doing those things to show my alignment” and it’s just like ?????

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:19 pm

In post 4859, chkflip wrote:Off in the distance, the battle-hardy Orc would take a flaming black sword through the back from a pretty, if off-kilter, Aasimar woman surrounded by floating, furless... dogs? This would immediately grab the attention of the town guard all too late. This stopped the fight between the man and the half-blood as both tucked away in different directions immediately afterward.

This is the Formerfish death, Miss Lynch.

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:21 pm

Ignoring the flavor gaming is ignoring a critical portion of this game, as has been pointed out numerous times. Your refusal to engage with this portion of the game is scummy. Since you don’t think it is important, why don’t you just fully claim all the relevant flavor bits about your character? That seems like a good compromise.

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:21 pm

In post 9330, gobbledygook wrote:Ignoring the flavor gaming is ignoring a critical portion of this game, as has been pointed out numerous times. Your refusal to engage with this portion of the game is scummy. Since you don’t think it is important, why don’t you just fully claim all the relevant flavor bits about your character? That seems like a good compromise.

In post 9328, Wooper wrote:
In post 9324, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 9319, Wooper wrote:Gobble... Step away. You put down a bunch of links to a Pathfinder Wiki and asked me to look at that in response to me saying not to ask me to have opinions on flavourgaming stuff I don't give a shit about.

We're not going to find a middle ground here. If you want one, vote me and go get a cup of tea.
I just want you to play man. Like you keep saying “I don’t understand” and the people are giving you the tools and information to understand and you’re like “I don’t understand” and it’s just like ok?? Do something then to show us your alignment? And then you’re like “I don’t understand and I won’t be doing those things to show my alignment” and it’s just like ?????
I think I've responded in pretty good faith to people who have asked me to respond to kike, anything except flavourgaming

I'm not buying into flavourgaming. I could read a webcomic if I wanted to drown myself in lore. I'm enjoying the flavour because it makes me smile - I'm not going to analysis it and I'm not interested in other people's analysis of it :/

If it comes to a critical decision I might allow it as a factor but we're in 28/40 with a bunch of anti town flips so there's exactly nothing critical going on

If you feel I'm ignoring something that I should be replying to, hmu. If you're upset I'm ignoring flavourgaming...... I'm not sorry......

In post 9330, gobbledygook wrote:Ignoring the flavor gaming is ignoring a critical portion of this game, as has been pointed out numerous times. Your refusal to engage with this portion of the game is scummy. Since you don’t think it is important, why don’t you just fully claim all the relevant flavor bits about your character? That seems like a good compromise.

This is @wooper

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:26 pm

In post 9334, Wooper wrote:If I full claim can I go back to lurking without having people shitting on me for not wanting to play Colour By Numbers?

I enjoy you a lot turkey but if the ad had been "come form a 40p fandom for a mafia game's flavour!! " I would have steered fucking clear

Yes. I will take this deal. I can’t guarantee it doesn’t end with your death.

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:46 pm

Wooper literally just scumclaimed.

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:47 pm

PB, Pisskop, Miss Lynch, time to give me all your chips cause y’all just lost to EP’s Royal Flush

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:49 pm

If you’re town there’s some real screwy shit happening at night

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:51 pm

In post 9355, pisskop wrote:
In post 9346, gobbledygook wrote:Wooper literally just scumclaimed.
so explain like Im 5?

Just have to wait for BBmolla to confirm if roleblocked. If he was then Wooper didn’t scumclaim. If he wasn’t, Wooper is gonna get fish fried.

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:53 pm

He’s a flavor cop so presumably if he doesn’t get a flavor result... he knows he’s blocked... like any investigative...

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:55 pm

I am sorry for the flame. It was not very gentleman Turkey-like.

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:55 pm

In post 9366, Wooper wrote:
In post 9364, gobbledygook wrote:He’s a flavor cop so presumably if he doesn’t get a flavor result... he knows he’s blocked... like any investigative...
....which is what you receive it you target an ascetic.....?

Yes? What’s your point?

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:57 pm

Hmmmm. Good point.

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:02 pm

VOTE: Zoraster

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:40 am

In post 9417, Elements wrote:Not technically what you asked for, but it has the same effect

Elements can you answer Zoraster question about what happened to your Vig shot last night?

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:42 am

In post 9399, BBmolla wrote:
In post 9396, Wooper wrote:
In post 9393, BBmolla wrote:
In post 9348, Wooper wrote:Nope, as I said if I were ascetic I would have claimed it first post. Fml pc BBM is confirmed blocked that night.
my motivated ability worked though

??
what happened exacrly?
I was motivated

you were my first target and my action failed

second action succeeded

So like, is Wooper confscum now or what

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:59 am

In post 9434, pisskop wrote:No. The invest in Wooper failed. Which is actually quite weird since the other apparently succeeded. And It weirds me out.

In post 9436, pisskop wrote:Because that looks like either an ascetic or a jailed/rolestopped/hidden player.

and some of those look worse than others.

Pretty sure that means Wooper is scum.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:01 am

In post 9438, pisskop wrote:
In post 9437, Almost50 wrote:
In post 9138, Firebringer wrote:I am gonna guess both the cult and mafia are doing their fair share of bussing btw.
??? We already have 3 flipped cultists. How much more do you think we have on D4 (even ignoring our "cult counter" says only one cultist alive)?
If korina got a night 0 action and was silenced as a result than we may in fact have an extra cultist.

Wooper would have received a brownie and Korina would not have been able to vote for half the day. Neither of those things happened so the N0 stuff seems unlikely.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:03 am

Unless someone is an alien and protected him. I don’t really see a town rolestopper targeting Wooper.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:26 am

Good point. The alien or the role stopper would have been silenced. I mean we kill Zoraster and then have Bingle target Wooper? That might be the best of both worlds.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:39 am

In post 9447, pisskop wrote:Opposite.

Any vig is also facing silencing if they get wooper.

Bingle appears to be a mostly benign ability

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:40 am

He claimed like some weak role. And not weak as in it does if it visits scum. Just that the power/utility of it is weak to the point he said it was not worth motivating.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:41 am

In post 9454, Almost50 wrote:
In post 9180, Untrod Tripod wrote:Gamma, ceph, PB in that order
Can you do Zor if he isn't today's lynch, please?

I would actually prefer if UT cult copped Chennisden

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:49 am

day 4 vote count 4.05

Wooper (9) -

Amrun, BBmolla, Untrod Tripod, zoraster, Firebringer, EspressoPatronum, Cephrir, Flavor Leaf, pisskop

zoraster -

AaronFrost, gobbledygook

Flavor Leaf -

Pink Ball, Dr Easy Bake, KidAmn

cyrus62 -

RCEnigma, Almost50, Iconeum

Untrod Tripod -

Wooper

It is Day Four. 28 alive, 15 lynch.
You have (expired on 2019-12-13 22:00:00) left.

I added pisskop’s vote to the most recent VC. Wooper is L-6 currently. For obvious reasons we should not let day end before the flavor has gone up.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:49 am

RCEnigma, do you have any results?

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:50 am

Also Wooper when you get back what actual race are you. Your role pm should most likely say

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:40 am

Wooper is L-5

Amrun we should probably give a list of options so scum can’t fully prepare for it.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:46 am

In post 9459, gobbledygook wrote:
day 4 vote count 4.05
Wooper (12) -
Amrun, BBmolla, Untrod Tripod, zoraster, Firebringer, EspressoPatronum, Cephrir, Flavor Leaf, pisskop, AaronFrost, Miss Lynch, Raurthedir

zoraster -
gobbledygook

Flavor Leaf -
Pink Ball, Dr Easy Bake, KidAmn

cyrus62 -
RCEnigma, Almost50, Iconeum

Untrod Tripod -
Wooper

It is Day Four. 28 alive, 15 lynch.
You have (expired on 2019-12-13 22:00:00) left.

I added the votes to the most recent mod VC. Wooper is L-3 currently. For obvious reasons we should not let day end before the flavor has gone up.

Wooper is L-3. Can we please not end day before everyone has had a chance to actually contribute? We also still need the flavor to go up Ty.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:11 am

In post 9488, zoraster wrote:i want to know about Element's gosh darn kill, and i'd like no one to answer for him.

You have no other contributions at this time?

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:22 am

I do not fault Elements for the creature kill, but the kill flavor appears to be of a serial killer I would imagine.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:39 am

In post 9504, Rautherdir wrote:I mean, two possibilities here:
Elements is the Orcus kill and Korina was a JOAT shot or some other unclaimed kill.
Elements is a vig that killed Korina and happened to shoot alongside the Orcus kill last night.

So who killed Vork?

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:47 am

Happy birthday Zoraster!

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:53 am

We have “murdered”, “murdered in the middle of the town”, “sacrificed to Orcus”, “committed suicide”, and “killed” as the kill flavors. I think the only one we can actually account for is suicide because Fonz was a lover. We might have less grasp of this game than I originally thought.

Can we account for any of the kills?

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:07 am

Why are you so hung up on Elements and his kill, Zoraster? I’m not sure what distinction you’re trying to make about the Creature kill and Elements.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:11 am

Do you think an SK or otherwise antitown killer would claim an antitown kill?

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:27 am

I think the mod clarified that bit, Raur. Iso him. He said cult recruit and kill happen on the same level of NAR.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:29 am

I take it you asked if there were overlapping kills would the type of death be explicit about that. In other heavy flavor games that has been the case. Ok. So we give Elements a pool of people to kill and if he doesn’t kill within that pool, we kill him.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:40 am

*sigh* I did not want to claim this but it is probably important. Someone sent me a message via the mod at daystart that makes me worry if we should publicly disclose our night action targets.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:45 am

In post 9553, RCEnigma wrote:For every night action or certain night actions?

It essentially told me that there is a certain class of power in the game. Based off the class of power, it affects all types of targeting roles but is especially dangerous when it comes to vigilante shots.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:54 am

I think based off the information in my message we should give a collective pool to the vigs in the game and then ask them to flip a coin to see if they will shoot and then if they get a positive flip, choose a target of their choice within the pool. It doesn’t fully prevent Bad Things, but it makes the fallout much more palatable.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:56 am

Based on play, EP is town. He’s like one of the few people in this game that are town based on play alone.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:59 am

That’s actually not a bad idea.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:07 am

In post 9569, RCEnigma wrote:And flavor indicates the same person made both scumkills. Probably.

It’s interesting because it seems from Amrun’s list on Vork that Korina did do the kill.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:16 am

KidAmn tracked Flavor Leaf night 1 I believe.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:18 am

If we aren’t going to lynch from within Amrun’s kill list, we should do Chennisden or Elements.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:33 am

I would support a mass flavor claim. Or even just a race claim.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:55 am

In post 9623, Miss Lane wrote:Firebringer also seems to be actively seeking to avoid Icon

Scum poisoner though?

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:57 am

I am Cobble aligned.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:01 pm

EP said he can confirm his role though so that’s a bad tree to bark up

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:21 pm

RCE role doesn’t make sense tbf. Day cop and messenger?

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:21 pm

In post 9653, zoraster wrote:okay so the mod has told me two things:

1. Flavor of kills is down to who submitted first.
2. Yes, you can both do an action and kill.

This is problematic.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:26 pm

In post 9660, zoraster wrote:
In post 9657, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 9653, zoraster wrote:okay so the mod has told me two things:

1. Flavor of kills is down to who submitted first.
2. Yes, you can both do an action and kill.
This is problematic.
As in for our analysis or as a method of resolving things?

It casts doubt that Elements is Sk and that Korina did not kill night 2.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:48 pm

VOTE: Iconeum

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:20 pm

You’re talking about different things.

Zoraster you were on Fish’s list and Vorkuta’s lists. Technically those are the Nught 1 and 2 kills. Amrun is one night phase behind.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:26 pm

Zoraster, any opinion beyond Elements and Wooper?

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:43 pm

Code: Select all

[v]Iconeum[/v]

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:11 pm

VOTE: Wooper

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:24 pm

I like traitors. The current normalized version of traitor is pretty god awful though.

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:36 am

In post 9783, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 9775, gobbledygook wrote:I like traitors. The current normalized version of traitor is pretty god awful though.
How tbh
And honestly I’d rather a traitor be endgamed than have to carry on as last scum, IF they don’t get to nightkill as final scum. Pisskop can tell you why, he LIVED that nightmare.

The thing that is wrong with the current normal traitor is that they die if shot at and also do just lose if their other members die. Also the name traitor is kind of bad for what the role actually is.

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:42 am

In post 9785, Bingle wrote:"There's circumstantial evidence that there might be scum in (list of 4 people) so we ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO LYNCH THERE AND NO WHERE ELSE!"

Also, what about wooper's reaction doesn't seem town? This seems like a perfectly reasonable response to the solidity of the guilty on him. He's lurking, sure, but so are half of my townreads, so... :shrug:

Going off information is always better than going off plain reads. You have information!

Also, Wooper’s first instinct was to lurk. Then to be incredibly obstinate I’m figuring everything out. He’s lurking again, but I’m not going to hold that against him when I gave him a pass to do it.

Plus, we have the shenanigans with BBmolla’s role. There’s too much sketchiness surrounding Wooper. He needs to be verified.

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:57 am

UNVOTE:

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:05 am

In post 9808, Wooper wrote:You should give yourself a pat on the back when I flip gobble

Why me out of the several vocal voices calling for your death?

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:02 pm

We should compile a list of big shots for Elements and FB.

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:27 pm

Oh for Turkey’s sake. Is the cult leader a snake too.

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:35 pm

No, I think the flavor casts doubt on Wooper being the killer.

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:40 pm

In post 9825, pisskop wrote:
In post 9823, Untrod Tripod wrote:he's a sneaky little snek
What?

The cult leader appears to be a snake. N3 flavor heavily implies this fact. N1 flavor also seems to imply that the snake cult leader watched Chemist save the cult leader’s recruit (Menalque).

This raises doubt surrounding the lie detector result.

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:42 pm

VOTE: Wooper

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:43 pm

Wooper is L-2.

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:47 pm

Vigs, do

not

shoot these people

Bingle
Amrun
EspressoPatronum
Flavor Leaf
BBmolla
Raurthedir
RCEnigma
Gobbledygook
Xofelf
Untrod Tripod

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:14 pm

In post 9824, gobbledygook wrote:No, I think the flavor casts doubt on Wooper being the killer.

I take this back. The killer night 1 is definitely an Aasimir woman. I have bolded the relevant portions of the N1 flavor.

The two would do battle then and there with neither seeming to get the upper hand on the other until the scream of an Orc broke their concentration. Off in the distance,
the battle-hardy Orc would take a flaming black sword through the back from a pretty, if off-kilter, Aasimar woman
surrounded by floating, furless... dogs? This would immediately grab the attention of the town guard all too late. This stopped the fight between the man and the half-blood as both tucked away in different directions immediately afterward.

Xanesha's wiki page does not make any mention that Xanesha has Aasimir heritage. Since Titus's role character was recruited to the Runelord cause by an Aasimir woman named Nualia Tobyn, it is likely that the role character of the person who killed Formerfish Night 1 is Nualia Tobyn.

Night 2 it appears that Vorkuta was indeed killed by Korina due to the proximity of his death in connection with a snake woman. The flaming sword I think indicates the scum's factional kill. I have quoted and put in bold the relevant portion.

The man sauntered through the night, like any other night, completely unaware of where his feet were taking him.
The flaming black sword would've woken him up if it hadn't taken his life with it. He'd die in his sleep... but was that really the most peaceful way to go? The Snake-woman smirked as she watched the man slump to the ground with a pool of blood growing around him.
Something caught the corner of her eye. Was that bush... moving? She glided through the dirt toward impending doom without even realizing it. Out of the bush came a very ragged man with garb as equally disheveled as his nearly toothless grin.

In post 9832, zoraster wrote:because of the slither language, gobble?

I'll be honest: reading all the flavor stuff makes my eyes glaze over.

From the night 1 flavor, we can see that a red haired girl was targeted by a night kill. We can also see that someone intervened in that night kill. Additionally, in that same scene, a snake is depicted as watching from the shadows.

The great deathbringer thought it heard the target speaking to someone, or something, but it was just the
red-haired doe-eyed girl
in the field of flowers picking away at the daisies. The armor clanked as it approached but still it caught her off guard. She stood up and almost ran into it when turning back toward the town walls.

"Your sacrifice has been acknowledged."

The fair Elven woman stumbled backward, falling to her backside with hands in the air. She screamed. The behemoth in black raised its sword and took a surprise glob of mud to the face.
A Grippli man sprang into action
with a leap between the monstrous swordsman and the
fire-haired girl.

"No such thing will happen on dis day," he warned while turning to look over his shoulder. "Get out while you still can, Elf. I'll take it from he--"

The dark sword plunged into his chest
. She shrieked and stumbled further backward at the sight of such a thing before finally fleeing. The heavily-armored brute pulled the frogman into his blade even more, the expressionless face draining of color as the black knight wiped the mud from its helmet.

"Orcus accepts your honorable contribution."

A giant snake looked on from the shadows as the lifeless body thudded onto the dirt. Meanwhile, a man in the tower etched a second hash mark after what he'd seen.
The ivory-skinned girl ran and ran and ran almost all the way home before colliding face first into another guard. He tried and failed to calm her before rushing to investigate whatever had her so worked up.

We know that Menalque was a red haired elf girl when he and Nero Cain somehow counterclaimed one another. As such we can safely hypothesize that Menalque was targeted for death by the Orcus killer. He was saved from this death by Chemist. The little quotes above confirm this series of events. More importantly, we get our first indication that a giant snake watched this all happen. If someone watched Chemist die, they need to be revealing that information. Since they did not, we can hypothesize that the snake was watching the scene for some other reason than literally watching the power. Additionally, in that scene we have someone etching a mark into the tower. I hypothesize that this is Xofelf's role counting the cult.

On Night 2 we do not see any direct indication of a giant snake, but we do get a comment related to a snake being involved.

Before the portly man in the shadows could really gather his bearings and process what he'd seen,
something huge slithered in behind him
. He'd turn and look up.

"Oh, uh... I've got wares if you've got the coin for it?"

They'd be the last words he'd speak in truth. Meanwhile, in the tower, the guard etched a third mark on his pad.

Like the Night 1 scene, this scene also depicted a man in a tower etching another mark. As stated above, I believe this is Xofelf's cult counter role in the flavor.

Now we have a third flavor scene that greatly adds to the theory the a giant snake is the cult leader. How on earth a cult leader is a giant snake, I will never know. I know I would not join a cult if it was headed by a giant snake.

In post 8352, chkflip wrote:The events on the previous day happened so swiftly. Sure, the number of townsfolk had been dwindling, but the forces that reckoned against them dwindled as well. For every member of the town that the massive being turned seemed a fool's errand as someone would come up from behind and end them with the same swiftness and vigor. Could the looming threat even grow? She wouldn't stop -- she couldn't, the monster knows only that it must rise above this wretched place -- so even though it lost another this night? It would slither on.

This scene is clearly depicting the fact that the cult is losing members as fast as it is recruiting them. It also ends with a snake related comment that "It would slither on".

Does that all make sense?

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:26 pm

If I am right about my hypothesis, this means that Menalque was the night 1 cult recruit. This would mean that InsideJob would have even less reason to lie about their hider result.

Flavor Leaf, are there any roles that would give a false positive to a Hider?

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:42 pm

UNVOTE:

I think this means that we got incredibly lucky with Raurthedir's lie detector test on InsideJob. I think that InsideJob probably lied about the action used to confirm Zoraster. In other words, InsideJob did not hide behind Zoraster, but confirmed his alignment in some other way. I think this is more likely than that Zoraster is somehow a result that gives a false positive to a Hider. I don't think I have ever played with a role that can give false positives to a Hider other than potentially an ascetic. There has been seemingly a lot of antitown activity aimed at Zoraster that makes me think the scum believed the Hider claim. His vote was cemented on the counter wagon to scumTitus and he has also claimed he was roleblocked at some point in the game.

All these pieces of information together, I think this means that Zoraster is town. That being said, if Wooper does flip town, Zoraster!town theory is weakened considerably.

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Chennisden, by you asking if you can kill Wooper, does this mean you are a double voter?

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:50 pm

In post 9808, Wooper wrote:You should give yourself a pat on the back when I flip gobble

@people who know The Worst/Wooper better than I do, is this the sort of thing he posts as salty town? The Worst and I have a good working relationship since I joined his co-modded C9++ game. I just find this post incredibly odd given the fact that he is about to go down. I don't know if he would be the type of person to try to guilt or shame someone. He seems above that type of behavior.

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:54 pm

In post 9852, chennisden wrote:I'm waiting for the hammer btw

Why?

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:23 pm

I think I want pisskop, daveas, Zoraster, and Miss Lynch's final thoughts for the day. Their top suspects, their top townreads.

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:16 pm

I don’t really remember anything those players have said.

gobbledygook · Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 am

In post 9831, gobbledygook wrote:Vigs, do
not
shoot these people

Bingle
Amrun
EspressoPatronum
Flavor Leaf
BBmolla
Raurthedir
RCEnigma
Gobbledygook
Xofelf
Untrod Tripod

VOTE: Wooper

Sorry if you’re town, ducky.

gobbledygook · Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:40 am

But we have reason to think FL is town

gobbledygook · Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:44 am

I believe I hammered, but Pine if you want to hammer for good measure you can.

gobbledygook · Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:21 am

BB or Amrun I would say.

gobbledygook · Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:24 am

Why reveal yourself though? There’s a redirecting type role out there. You could now accidentally motivate a scum.

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:09 pm

Honestly thought FB was third party with how bad his vigs were

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:10 pm

Orcus killer didn’t act last night?

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:12 pm

VOTE: Icon

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:17 pm

In post 0, chkflip wrote: 06. Iconeum
18. Gamma Emerald
21. Dr Easy Bake
24. davesaz
25. Miss Lynch, who is/replaced Enter
28. pisskop, who replaced Hectic

Cult leader is more than likely in this group of people.

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:19 pm

22 alive there’s potentially still 1 SK/2 cult/3-5 scum still alive. 6-8 more anti town roles in this game. Good lord.

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:21 pm

1. You haven’t done anything particularly town
2. Your role hasn’t been confirmed/seen in flavor

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:25 pm

So we are still looking for the Aasimir woman from the night 1 flavor because Zoraster was not.

https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Orik_Vancaskerkin

UT were you scum this whole time? :/

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:26 pm

In post 9955, pisskop wrote:
In post 9954, gobbledygook wrote:2. Your role hasn’t been confirmed/seen in flavor
hunh?

my role has been softed, and backed up by another.

If it has I apologize, I didn’t see it. If it’s been co formed by another person I’ll take you off the list. I personally don’t think you are the cult leader.

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:28 pm

I would appreciate if you could meet me halfway on the list since you were right about Wooper, Pisskop.

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:36 pm

In post 9963, Miss Lane wrote:i imagine i'm only on the list because my role hasn't been confirmed?

Yed

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:48 pm

We already knew that though

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:49 pm

In post 9958, gobbledygook wrote:So we are still looking for the Aasimir woman from the night 1 flavor because Zoraster was not.

https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Orik_Vancaskerkin

UT were you scum this whole time? :/

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:09 pm

Pisskop what is your role?

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:24 pm

In post 10045, Bingle wrote:
In post 10026, pisskop wrote:Im kind of for leashing an sk, if only to not waste a lynch on what ml is claiming. and the extra town-driven kill is nice
^

Also, lynching elements means we have to then lynch ml, which is two cult recruits without a lynch between them.

EP claimed to be confirmable, btw, resolve that today.

EP confirmed to me last night

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:25 pm

In post 10055, Iconeum wrote:
In post 10053, Amrun wrote:
In post 10052, pisskop wrote:i think you did fine. Sometimes the best roles are those that are negative, because they force you to play differently.
You believe ML now? What is going on?!
If you don't believe ML, why are you pushing me together?

Why aren't you pushing a GUILTY on a serial killer?

Quite literally because we have bigger fish to fry

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:27 pm

In post 10061, Amrun wrote:
In post 10057, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 10045, Bingle wrote:
In post 10026, pisskop wrote:Im kind of for leashing an sk, if only to not waste a lynch on what ml is claiming. and the extra town-driven kill is nice
^

Also, lynching elements means we have to then lynch ml, which is two cult recruits without a lynch between them.

EP claimed to be confirmable, btw, resolve that today.
EP confirmed to me last night
In what way

He is mod confirmed town to me unless he was also recruited the same night

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:29 pm

In post 10070, Iconeum wrote:I redirected EP into Zor N3

It is day 5. You have one night action?

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:30 pm

In post 10074, Amrun wrote:
In post 10068, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 10061, Amrun wrote:
In post 10057, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 10045, Bingle wrote:
In post 10026, pisskop wrote:Im kind of for leashing an sk, if only to not waste a lynch on what ml is claiming. and the extra town-driven kill is nice
^

Also, lynching elements means we have to then lynch ml, which is two cult recruits without a lynch between them.

EP claimed to be confirmable, btw, resolve that today.
EP confirmed to me last night
In what way
He is mod confirmed town to me unless he was also recruited the same night
So we have 2 friendly neighbors? :/

He is not a friendly neighbor, but he is mod confirmed town to me unless he was recruited last night

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:30 pm

What the straight up cluck does parasites mean

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:32 pm

In post 10069, pisskop wrote:who's the bigger literal fish gobbles

Cult leader mainly. We want to try and reduce the amount of antitown to town ratio

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:34 pm

In post 10076, Iconeum wrote:
In post 10073, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 10070, Iconeum wrote:I redirected EP into Zor N3
It is day 5. You have one night action?
Parasited EP N1

Can redirect on odds

Unkilleable at night

You need to full claim. Begin by explaining:
1) Your flavor name and race.
2) What parasited means
3) why did you target EP twice?

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:35 pm

It’s annoying that none of the flipped roles explain what happened to BBmplla or what happened to UT and Zoraster’s votes

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:37 pm

In post 10082, Iconeum wrote:I believe I'm the little goblin thing that took a knife to the stomach and lived

How do you not know exactly what you are? My character has a picture and is clearly half elf/human. What does your picture show?

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:40 pm

Why EP and why redirect him to Xoraster?

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:47 pm

This behavior makes me think Iconeum is town.

Onto the next

VOTE: Daveas

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:47 pm

The reason we are not lynching Elements is because Miss Lynch’s role essentially makes it so that the SK takes two lynched to die. That is not a good use of our resources.

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:50 pm

KidAmn I think was confirmed town via something but I can’t remember what. Raur maybe?

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:54 pm

In post 10110, Iconeum wrote:
In post 10103, gobbledygook wrote:The reason we are not lynching Elements is because Miss Lynch’s role essentially makes it so that the SK takes two lynched to die. That is not a good use of our resources.
Am I wrong in saying that 2 lynches back to back outside of town are simply good? I'm aware that killing cult recruiter is obviously best lynch, but without more intel it's still shooting pretty blind.

Lynching back to back in a killing role and 3rd party that becomes a killing role might not be optimal, but it's pretty damn good.

In a vacuum this is true. However that also exposes the town to 2+ more cult recruited and 2+ more nightkilled. So effectively, instead of being a +2 in town’s favor (getting rid of 2 antitown roles) it’s actually -2 in towns favor.

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:57 pm

Enter has low tolerance threshold.

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:07 pm

I would rather Lynch in our unknowns.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:22 am

In post 9949, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 0, chkflip wrote: 21. Dr Easy Bake
24. davesaz
28. pisskop, who replaced Hectic
Cult leader is more than likely in this group of people.

This is the updated list of who is most likely cult leader. It could also be UT, but that’s a much lower possibility. I think we should kill one of these over Iconeum.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:24 am

Almost is also an outside chance since he isn’t confirmed by anything too, I just townread his reaction the first time I accused him.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:26 am

In post 10278, pisskop wrote:Thats a hilariously bad list tho.

its two lurkers and a proven invest

You need to start listening to me about this lurker stuff.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:27 am

In post 10277, Dr Easy Bake wrote:You said why pisskop was on there, why am I and dave the other two?

Since you’ve read that much surely you saw my numbered reasoning?

1. Hasn’t done anything town.
2. Has not been confirmed by anything.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:30 am

In post 10283, Dr Easy Bake wrote:
In post 10281, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 10277, Dr Easy Bake wrote:You said why pisskop was on there, why am I and dave the other two?
Since you’ve read that much surely you saw my numbered reasoning?

1. Hasn’t done anything town.
2. Has not been confirmed by anything.
I didn’t know that was for the whole list, I thought it was just for pisskop.

No, it’s for the whole list. I found the whole deal with Miss Lynch’s role and Pisskop “revealing” it to be scummy. But, I think daveaz is more likely scum than Pisskop at the current juncture.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:39 am

Well it seems incorrect for one, so you saying you can confirm yourself is disingenuous.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:45 am

[quote="In post 10291, pisskop"]Annnnnnd, why again is the 'whole MissLynch thing' sus? thats really dodging the question[/quote

“Well it seems incorrect for one, so saying you can confirm yourself is disingenuous”

I never dodged it. Didn’t Miss Lynch say you’re wrong about her flavor?

What night did you confirm Ceph?

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:48 am

In post 10295, pisskop wrote:
In post 10294, gobbledygook wrote:I never dodged it. Didn’t Miss Lynch say you’re wrong about her flavor?
oh, did the sk-aligned caughtout scum say i was wrong?

Stop dodging the question when didnyou confirm Ceph? Looking through your iso I don’t see it the crumb.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:59 am

Is no one else going to talk about the fact that we have apparently two flavor cops? And that Pisskop is by far the worse looking one?

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:08 am

Why do you always dig your heels into the sand with me?

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:16 am

The Icon Lynch being probably a bad idea is one thing we can agree on at least.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:26 am

It would be Team Chive levels of awesome.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:02 am

Can we please get some unvoted. Chennisden claimed double voter and could very easily lolhammer Ico. Ico is at L-3.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:00 am

I have been trying to reduce the amount of times that I post. This will be a large post as a result.

First, I will be fairly MIA until Tuesday due to my VLA. As Pink Ball has requested, please do not end the day before then. Especially with an Iconeum lynch. I think that would do more harm than good.

Second, playing against cult be like.

In post 10310, Bingle wrote:
In post 10225, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 9980, Amrun wrote:Menalque: (xofelf, Rautherdir, Amrun, Elements, Pine, EspressoPatronum)

TrueSoulEnergy: (pisskop, Miss Lynch, Untrod Tripod, Cephrir, zoraster, KidAmn)

I haven’t analyzed flavor yet but assuming at this moment that TSE was killed by zoraster.
If bingle didn't get my letter n3 then I was also blocked that night which confirms multitasking.
I got a letter during a dayphase and crumbed it shortly after receiving it, but my night result that night was delayed that night too.

This enter/ico byplay is dumb and neither is a good lynch choice. Ico, this is a cult game. We literally can’t afford multiple lynches on roles that can’t snowball into us losing in the next couple of days. Stop arguing that we do so.

We need to confirm both flavor cops abilities, but neither is a good lynch for today.

Cult recruiter is likely a player with no confirmable role or an anti scum investigation role. People with confirmable roles who haven’t been scanned by rauth should claim immediately. EP should claim whether he is multi shot or not.

RCE and
Gobbles have my personal endorsement as “the most conftown player in the game
”
for listen to their posts, because both are objectively saying the right things to focus on today.
Gobbles, could you wallpost your reasons for discounting others as cultist? I trust, but want to verify.

Ico should redirect ep onto one of me/RCE/gobbles/anyone else who is consensus or mech obvtown at the end of day today to prevent nk/rolestopper shenanigans.

Third, re: red bolded, see spoiler.

Spoiler: Spoiler

Fourth, re: green bolded, see below.

In post 0, chkflip wrote:01. Pine - claimed motivator, confirmed by BBmolla and Bingle. Play does not seem like cult. Not cult leader.
02. Untrod Tripod - claimed cult cop, ability is not confirmed, but play does not seem like cult
05. Amrun - claimed death investigator, ability is not confirmed, but play does not seem like cult
06. Iconeum - claimed redirector, ability is not confirmed, but play does not seem like cult
08. Rautherdir - claimed Lie Detector, ability is not confirmed, but play does not seem like cult
09. BBmolla - claimed flavor cop, ability confirmed by Flavor Leaf. Not cult leader
15. Bingle - claimed FBI agent, ability confirmed by Elements. Play does not seem like cult. Not cult leader.
17. xofelf - claimed cult counter, ability confirmed by the mod's flavor paragraphs. Play does not seem like cult.
18. Gamma Emerald - ???, cult copped by UT, negative result. Not cult leader.
19. Pink Ball - 3P Bulletproof and Unrecruitable innocent child, not confirmed, but may be confirmed shortly, cult copped by UT, negative result. Not Cult leader.
21. Dr Easy Bake - ???, could be cult leader.
23. RCEnigma - Day Cop/Messenger, ability confirmed by Bingle. Not cult leader.
24. davesaz - ???, could be cult leader
25. Miss Lynch - ???, confirmed by Pisskop. Not cult leader.
26. Elements - Serial Killer, confirmed by KidAmn, Amrun, and multiple deaths. Not cult leader.
28. pisskop - ???, confirmed by Cephrir/Raurthedir. Not cult leader.
32. gobbledygook - gated friendly neighbor, confirmed by BBmolla, play does not seem like cult. Not cult leader.
33. Cephrir - ???, cult copped by UT. Not cult leader.
34. chennisden - claimed double voter, play does not seem like cult.
36. Almost50 - ???, play does not seem like cult.
38. KidAmn - Jailkeeper, ability confirmed by Elements. Not cult leader.
40. EspressoPatronum - role confirmed by Gobbledygook. Not cult leader.

As you can see, many people are confirmed not to be the cult leader based on their ability claims and being verified by other players. The shortlist of people who have not claimed their ability or have been verified by another player is {Dr. Easy Bake, Daveaz, Almost50}.

Personally, I want to explore Daveaz as his play seems like what I would imagine cult leader wants to do. Get mostly townread and then coast. That is why I am voting him. Dr. Easy Bake and Almost50 have been nonpresences this entire game. However, they have various arguments supporting their status as not cult leader. Dr. Easy Bake I feel like would have culted different individuals. Almost50's reaction to me asserting suspicion of him as cult also felt genuine. That said, I would not shed a single tear if either of them perished.

The list of people who could ACTUALLY be cult is more expansive than the above three names. It technically includes {Untrod Tripod, Amrun, Iconeum, Raurthedir, xofelf, Dr. Easybake, Miss Lynch, pisskop, chennisden, Almost50}. However, various arguments could apply to these individuals not being cult leader.

Untrod Tripod - big brain move to claim cult cop as cult leader.
Amrun - her role is technically only confirmable to scum, I do not think that cult leader would out themselves to scum like that
Iconeum - his role and the way he claimed it do not make me think he is cult leader. Could still very possibly be scum.
Raurthedir - his role is only confirmable to scum, I do not think cult leader would out themselves to scum like that.
Xofelf - I do not think cult leader would specifically be announcing how many people the town should look for.
Dr. Easybake - see above
Miss Lynch - the play and claim make me think that this is not cult leader.
pisskop - unless Raurthedir is scum or if his role is actually broken (as in doesn't work), pisskop cannot be cult leader
chennisden - I do not think cult leader ties themselves to a double vote ability that can very easily be proven.
Almost50 - see above.

Now, my analysis of these people solely pertains to cult leader. Those individuals could very easily be scum. More on this below.

Fifth, how do you use the list= tag? I am terribly inept at this forum interface.

Sixth,

things that are weird and need to be thought about and discussed more.

1. Amrun's Night 1 list on the Formerfish killer seems to be incorrect unless UT is groupscum which is unlikely. This casts doubt on Amrun's ability. We know that an Aasimir woman killed Formerfish the first night. We know from flavor that this woman is most likely Nualia Tobyn. The list for the people who killed Formerfish is the following:

In post 8514, Amrun wrote:Night 2 : Korina, EspressoPatronum, zoraster, TrueSoulEnergy, Wooper, Untrod Tripod

The only people who are still alive from that list are Untrod Tripod and EspressoPatronum. That leaves several possibilities: (a) Amrun is lying about her role, (b) Amrun's role did not work on Night 2, (c) Korina is the Aasimir woman, (d) Untrod Tripod is the Aasimir woman, (e) EspressoPatronum is the Aasimir woman, (f) our interpretation of the Night 1 flavor is incorrect, meaning the Aasimir woman did not kill Formerfish. I have role information that confirms possibility e is incorrect as EspressoPatronoum as of Night 5 was aligned with the town. Untrod Tripod's play makes possibility d unlikely. Character flavor seems to imply that Xanesha is not an Aasimir woman. We need to discuss the gravity of possibility a, b, and f.

2. Raurthedir's role apparently did not work when it came to InsideJob's post. As I have discussed before, Menalque was most likely the N1 recuirt. This means that InsideJob would not have had a reason to lie about their result meaning Zoraster is town. This raises doubt about the lie detector claim. Additionally, I find Raurthedir's use of the lie detector so far to be suboptimal and that raises his scum equity. It is possible that his role, like Amrun's role. Just does not actually work.

3. Under the assumption that Raurthedir is either scum or his role is useless, we need to evaluate pisskop's role. Pisskop is claiming an inferior flavor cop ability to BBmolla who is a full flavor cop from what I can tell of his iso. It seems very unlikely that there would be this overlap in roles in the game. We probably need pisskop to fully claim targets and nights.

4. We should probably massclaim. 85% of the game has claimed so far.

5. Iconeum could still be group scum. His play is reminiscent of his scumplay in Alisae v. Pine. Redirector is hardly a role that is town. There exists a world where scum!Iconeum redirects EspressoPatronum to scum!Zoraster because the scum team thinks that EspressoPatronum is the cult leader and are trying to suicide the cult leader. I need to look into Iconeum's iso leading up to Day 3 because the justification Iconeum gave about the redirection did not sit well with me.

6. We need to be cognizant of the makeup of the town. These are my working figures for the composition of the town.
22 players
17:5 - traditional town/scum break doe. That is currently in this game
12:2:1:2:5 - all 3p with original alignment, 2 cult, maximum scum
13:1:1:2:5 - 1 3P culted, other 3p self aligned, maximum scum
15:1:1:2:3 - 1 3P culted, other 3p self aligned, minimum scum
14:2:1:2:3 - all 3P self aligned, 2 cult, minimum scum

7. We need to prove Chennisden's role as a double voter today. He needs to full claim. The way he claimed the other day made it seem as if he got something if he successfully hammered someone with the double voter. That could potentially be a scum ability.

8. We still do not know who cemented Untrod Tripod and Zoraster's votes.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:05 am

The last line on the composition (starting with 14 town) assumes that Miss Lynch and Elements alignment are connected. Meant to break that up to 1:1 to make it clearer. The number 2 that is second from the right is the current amount of cult that we can verify through Xofelf and the flavor.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:10 am

In post 10344, Amrun wrote:Gobble, it’s also possible I was redirected, though I think that’s unlikely.

I think perhaps we just need to disregard night 2 list. 2 scum have flipped off of it. That’s probably all there is to it, and there’s some explanation for the flavor deduction being wrong.

I will be really, really annoyed if I end up being doubted for that.

I understand. We need to enter the trust but verify stage of town cohesion. In good faith, we must discuss the problems with your list.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:20 am

In post 10350, Amrun wrote:There’s also a lot of self confirming roles. I still don’t understand EP’s role. But that’s you, PB, and EP who are alignment confirming roles? Seems like a LOT.

It makes sense from a balance perspective. There are 4 killing roles going around (5 if you include AaronFrost). Plus, the cult dies if it targets scum.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:23 am

In post 10352, Cephrir wrote:
In post 10342, gobbledygook wrote:4. We should probably massclaim. 85% of the game has claimed so far.
Is there an actual reason to out those of us who have not vomited our roles into the thread? Perhaps there is a reason for that.

In post 10342, gobbledygook wrote:17:5 - traditional town/scum break doe. That is currently in this game
Huh?

I am not going to force anyone to claim. I do think we should because it may help confirm other people. But if the majority says no, then the majority says no.

That post was a garbled mess. If we operate under the assumption of traditional forum mafia, then a game with 40 players has 8 scum max (20% of players scum). From there, if this was just town vs mafia, with 22 players alive and 3 dead mafia that would leave us in 17:5 town to scum ratio just based off raw numbers.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:34 am

In post 10357, Amrun wrote:I think it’s very easy to resolve the formerfish list with flavorcop(s). I’m not interested in lynching in it further without a flavor cop saying UT or EP is the Aasimar woman. As I said I think it’s some other flavor explanation and that more likely one or zor or Korina was behind that kill.

I support that limited claiming if BB or pisskop has the relevant information.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:44 am

In post 10096, Iconeum wrote:Zor because I thought it might be usefull,
which it turned out to be
but I was stalking EP and it didn't post anything Night Action related so I didn't push that.

Iconeum, how did it turn out to be useful to you? Other than being able to dodge bullets?

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:46 pm

In post 10375, Cephrir wrote:There are like 4 people unclaimed and we have plenty to go on. A mass claim is just being lazy. It most likely outs the vig (unless you think there's a scum vig, which is possible) and hurts any utility we might have (or, on the other end, outs the fact we are not better than amrun/rauth and there is no doctor, resulting in their deaths)

These are good points. I still want to kill Daveas though. I think it also goes without saying that that unclaimed should be verified.

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:16 am

In post 10395, Cephrir wrote:Yeah, but cult doesn't have a nightkill, we have several ways to clear people of being the cult leader, the cult leader will likely die just from sheer probability at some point, etc.

I personally do not want to become cult because I enjoy playing as town.

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:51 pm

In post 10402, chennisden wrote:
In post 10312, gobbledygook wrote:Can we please get some unvoted. Chennisden claimed double voter and could very easily lolhammer Ico. Ico is at L-3.
No I didn't

No I'm not

In post 9846, gobbledygook wrote:UNVOTE:
Chennisden, by you asking if you can kill Wooper, does this mean you are a double voter?

In post 9849, chennisden wrote:Yes, I am

Why did you say that you were a double voter here?

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:13 pm

In post 10408, Amrun wrote:
In post 10399, BBmolla wrote:N1 - Flavor Leaf (Bobert the Drunkard, he's stuck here)
N2 - Wooper & Chennisden (Inconclusive; Father Fields, zealot)
N3 - Pine & EP (Cayden Cailean, probably not the actual god but a chill dude named after him(?), also confirmed motivated me via flavor; Ace Brocolla, collesieum owner who loves a good show)
N4 - UT (Ronan Thomias, honorable man, loves his patron)
Zealot sounds kinda cult-y

Agreed.

In post 10409, Amrun wrote:Also, I really don’t understand how Ace Brocella matches up to EP’s claimed role, which I still don’t get.

What did EP claim?

In post 10414, chennisden wrote:I'm a faithhealer and I am a wonderful cornerstone of this town, protecting all the people who wanted my helps

Who have your targets been?

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:23 pm

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Chennisden should claim his targets. On my home site, Doctor is usually the safe claim for a cult leader coincidentally.

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:23 pm

In post 10426, BBmolla wrote:
In post 0, chkflip wrote:03. Wooper was lynched D4! They were Ubdibah Black: Cobble-Aligned Paranoid Bat Owner
I interpreted this as a reflexive roleblocker which is why I assumed my report was inconclusive

no idea why he didn't claim that

From what I can tell, his role did not cause your action to fail. You would have been silenced.

In post 10427, davesaz wrote:@bb under no circumstances should you post my flavor info openly. Trust me that something bad is likely to happen if you do.

Is this a threat or is it a side effect of your role?

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:17 am

VOTE: Chennisden

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:20 am

In post 10432, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Icon

When are you going to contribute like you promised?

Amrun, no offense, but I don’t think Pine should motivate you anymore since there are problems with your lists.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:21 am

In post 10447, chennisden wrote:Wonderful, gobble, you are just wasting your own time

Night actions, please.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:39 am

Interesting. *sigh*

UNVOTE:

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:00 am

If Elements is a Nexus, how did Bingle get a result on him?

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:16 am

Elements did you try to kill Iconeum last night?

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:32 am

I think I still want to kill Iconeum since Elements has been doing God’s work with his nightkills.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:32 am

Plus Iconeum never mentioned Espresso or Zoraster prior to doing his night action... which is like... suspicious.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:46 am

In post 10462, pisskop wrote:why is it suspicious to not mention your night target?

let's say you were a cop. would you be active and gunning at your target?

That’s a straw man argument. It isn’t suspicious to not mention your targets. It is suspicious when your targets are not reflected by public suspicions.

gobbledygook · Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:01 pm

In post 10468, pisskop wrote:
In post 10464, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 10462, pisskop wrote:why is it suspicious to not mention your night target?

let's say you were a cop. would you be active and gunning at your target?
That’s a straw man argument. It isn’t suspicious to not mention your targets. It is suspicious when your targets are not reflected by public suspicions.
no, it isn't a strawman. its a series of questions designed to understand why you think it's flawed.

If they don't reflect icon's suspicions than it is a bad look. however why wouldn't he lie if he were scum?

I think the cop question is a strawman because it is usually better as cop to try and live as long as possible that being said, I would still expect a cop to follow a logical progression when it comes to their night actions. If a cop says they suspect a player and then cop someone else, depending on their ideology for how to target as a cop, not choosing their top suspect is suspicious. Likewise, it is suspicious that Iconeum chose a player he thought was townie knowing that he could then control the townie’s power? Everything about his role makes it sound like it’s desgined to be used against your scum reads, not your townreads.

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:40 am

In post 10487, RCEnigma wrote:Rest of the town you cool with commiting to cult leader hunting for this day and probably the next, yes or no?

We can use Elements to cult hunt to be fair. His kills have actually helped the game.

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:44 am

In post 10485, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why is A50 prob scum peebs

@PB, I would also like this answered.
Congrats on finishing the show!

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:07 am

I’m sorry for your loss, A50.

*hugs*

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:53 am

In post 10518, Miss Lane wrote:just sit there and defend yourself

just sit there and watch people make dumb ass arguments for lynching wooper
and ignore the fact that zor is scummy af

if i didn't ahve to take hsi role i would have just watched him get lynched, too

Well, now that both Wooper and Zoë are dead, who is your next biggest suspect?

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:16 am

Part of me wants to vote Iconeum since no one really wants to discuss anything anyway.

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:36 am

VOTE: Iconeum

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:42 am

Protections should obviously go on me, Amrun, EP, BBmolla, and RCEnigma if they exist

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:27 pm

Hbd mod

gobbledygook · Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:04 pm

=======[]

PB, Mjlonir is yours to wield

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:39 pm

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:45 pm

In post 10577, pisskop wrote:
In post 10575, gobbledygook wrote:VOTE: Gamma Emerald
spicy?

No, I just think he’s scum for his play.

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:56 pm

You aren’t scumhunting.

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:10 pm

Weird flex, but ok.

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:46 pm

In post 10585, pisskop wrote:right.

So did Elements kill amrun too

Why ask this question?

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:48 pm

I think it is pretty clear that Elements did not kill Amrun considering what happened yesterday night and the same people involved claimed they would be doing the same thing last night

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:05 pm

KidAmn claimed to jailkeep Elements the night the Orcus kill flavor is missing.
KidAmn claimed he would jailkeep Elements again. The Orcus kill flavor is missing. Again.

Who is not using their noodle, Mr. Royal Death Noodle?

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:12 pm

Yeah

VOTE: pisskop

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:23 pm

In post 10596, pisskop wrote:mmmhmmm

Spicy right?

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:31 pm

In post 10599, Cephrir wrote:Hey guys. I know this is a crazy idea but what if we tried scumhunting with all the available information instead of voting the lowest charisma player today.

And your vote is where, exactly?

In post 10600, pisskop wrote:
In post 10598, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 10596, pisskop wrote:mmmhmmm
Spicy right?
a fiesta in my mouth

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:35 pm

Pine, I think you should continue motivating BB because there is a small chance that UT is big brain playing us as Cult Leader.

gobbledygook · Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:48 pm

In post 10611, xofelf wrote:If you recall, UT's vote kept being forced onto Vorkuta during most of that day even when he kept moving it to Titus.

This is true. Zoraster also could not vote Titus at that time.

Looking at EP's VC stuff, I think it is unlikely that scum bussed Titus.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:05 am

In post 10614, Cephrir wrote:
In post 10612, gobbledygook wrote:I think it is unlikely that scum bussed Titus.
I mean. Theres probably like 7 scum in this game. Even if you believe in colored VCs, that's a stretch.

I should clarify. I do not think the majority of scum bussed Titus. From my point of view, there’s ~4 unknowns on Titus (including you Ceph). On Vorkuta, the majority of that wagon is still alive which makes me think that there’s multiple scum on it.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:06 am

In post 10630, Cephrir wrote:
In post 10625, KidAmn wrote:
In post 10624, Elements wrote:
In post 10618, KidAmn wrote:Confirmed I jailed Elements, so either he holstered or the Nexus claim is BS and he was hoping I'd take it and he'd be free to knock me off.
You were just redirected to my kill target. It's simple.
"A Nexus is a player that passively redirects players who target it to a random other player. Kills cannot be redirected in this way, so as to prevent the Nexus from being unkillable." https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Nexus_(Role)

Stop wriggling dude. You're already in the boat.
Huh? This doesnt disprove what elements said.

The sheer likelihood of that happening is pretty crazy but it does appear that this is the case since Pine’s motivation was blocked apparently.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:20 am

That’s a wild series of events. I’m curious why you tracked Elements though. Seems like a waste.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:02 am

Daveaz, are you able to solve the game for us now?

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:08 am

Spicy

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:37 am

In post 10645, Elements wrote:
In post 10643, KidAmn wrote:I find it very hard to believe that on both nights I blocked Elements I was either redirected to someone that had no tangible effect on the game state at all, or I was redirected to Elements' target, or that Elements holstered twice in a row, the first time of which he was (AFAIK) unaware I would be blocking him. Especially given that his and ML's claimed wincon is to meet a certain number of kills.
I tried to kill icon the first time which is why I didn't kill anyone.

So the jailkeep action didn’t matter than either. This raises concerns about Bingle being able to successfully Detect the Serial Killer.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:30 am

VOTE: Daveaz

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:34 am

Raur could also be used to verify night actions or roles if we want to do that instead of alignment.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:39 am

Check Gamma. He’s role unconfirmed and also not doing anything townie.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:58 am

In post 10681, EspressoPatronum wrote:Hey pisskop, can you shed some light on the azarr kul + evil goblin thing?

According to the lore, azarr kul is an evil half-dragon (which would match the N1 flavour).
But according to your other post, you say ML is an evil goblin shaman (which doesn't appear in the flavour).

These do not match up. We also have ML vehemently denying both claims.

In post 10682, EspressoPatronum wrote:Azarr Kul is also a follower of Tiamat, not Orcus.... so I have no idea what's going on.

The only thing I know is that nothing makes sense anymore.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:15 pm

So I agree with Ceph, Bingle, and Xofelf about needing to re-examine the game, but I also feel like it’s slightly hypocritical in that they do not offer any insights or leads on to how or where we should focus.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:07 pm

In post 10652, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 10637, EspressoPatronum wrote:RC, have you been able to send out any messages?
I sent one, it's about Dave. But I don't get the feedback that the person I sent it to actually gets it. They kinda have to out that info.

Who have you sent letters to so far?

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:22 pm

VOTE: Gamma

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:24 pm

Bingle is right about the Daveaz wagon happened with literally 0 resistance so that’s probably a mislynch.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:52 pm

Oh Chk just sent me a message like a minute ago. Odd

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:58 pm

Who is this message about RCEnigma?

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:03 pm

Flavor of the message implies Dave is town. I don’t know how much faith to put into this though. But combined with how fast the wagon formed he’s probably town.

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:09 pm

Who have you been trying to target?

gobbledygook · Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:32 pm

The letter talks about Dave being a reasonable woman and that her heart was in the right place when this strlarted but she cannot verify if that’s still the case. I took that to mean she is town unless she was culted.

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:08 am

So why do you have the ability to send messages and also the ability to Day Cop?

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:08 am

Earlier in the game you alluded to getting your day Cop ability again at a certain point. Am I correct in that assumption/interpretation?

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:45 am

In post 10743, Pine wrote:
In post 10742, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 10741, Pink Ball wrote:Can I play my "follow me" card today and everyone vote who I tell them without asking?
I'll follow your lead but won't sheep you blindly.

What are your thoughts?
Eww this feels scummy to me, setting up to justify a later push. Someone talk to me about EP so far?

Literally conftown to me yesterday. BBmolla also flavor checked him. It’s possible EP is cult but he ain’t cult leader or groupscum.

EP has also been one of the most protown people this game.

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:01 am

I’m pretty sure at this point the cult leader is like one of these three people:

Almost50
Raurthedir
Untrod Tripod

Everyone else has flavor supporting them not being cult or night actions.

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:10 am

I honestly don’t know if it is even in town’s best interest to kill cult leader. It swings the parity massively in scum’s favor especially if we have Elements and Miss Lynch going rogue.

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:12 am

I forgot Gamma was apparently copped by UT.

VOTE: Almost50

Good bye Monkey leader

gobbledygook · Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:14 am

We are at a minimum dealing with 3 cult and 3 mafia. More than likely more than that on mafia side. Plus we have Elements going rogue which is just weird considering he doesn’t need to go AWOL to satisfy his wincondition.