Big Four Mafia! Game Over!

[Creature]

Town starts losing when they start lynching claimed PRs

[Creature]

Claimed scum poses way less threat than unclaimed scum

[Creature]

and we don't have any Flavor Leaf among the claimers

[Creature]

Creature, can you list all the claims with the usernames so I can copy into my PT?

Creature - one-shot neighborizer
Yurkin - doublevoter now vanillaized
Eve - flavorcop about instruments
Alchemist21 - PT cop
Chennisden - tracker
Blatant Scum - doctor
Flubbernugget - miller odd-night commuter
Egix96 - innocent child
Titus - mason
Pisskop - mason

[Creature]

Yes the 10 claimers

[Creature]

Unlikely for there to be ever than two scum among them

[Creature]

1/5 chance to hit scum in claimed is low compared to 2/5 in unclaimed

[Creature]

Doesn't make any single sense

[Creature]

Claiming doc is suicide
So is tracker
Imagine masons
I am town
Egix is IC

And that's down to four already

[Creature]

I'd rather risk there being 3 claimed scum than 3 unclaimed scum

[Creature]

Chennisden, Alchemist and Eve for example will be forced to give out results every single night

[Creature]

Calendar mafia

[Creature]

CALENDAR MAFIA!!!

[Creature]

Town fucked themselves up all their arsehole to their mouth because they kept lymching the PR claims (Overkill, Xtoxm, The Lord...)

[Creature]

Oh look

The one shot neighborizers are the vanillas of the game

[Creature]

"thErE's nO vAniLlA"

[Creature]

"thErE's nO vAniLlA"

Feels like that one MU mash mods said there was no vanilla but instead were roles with just different sets of numbers for one or two events

[Creature]

Zzzzz just indicates Alchewits is scum but more claims would be entertaining

[Creature]

Next in list:

VOTE: YodaVader

[Creature]

Actually thinkg Altmist could be just a really nerfed cop

[Creature]

Creature, what was your flavor claim again?

Please don't make me search your million posts.

Dirk Verbeuren something from Megadeth

[Creature]

Not if I claim his exact role...

[Creature]

If I had claimed something like normal neighborizer he would have had a reason to suspect me

[Creature]

Any role that targets three players and randomizes between one of them is hella weird

[Creature]

Double Voter
Double Neighborizer Claims
Double Mason
Double TP
Double Cops

Innocent child and tracker stands out

[Creature]

Oh well, Looker, jjh and Donkey Drew are still the annoying unclaimed

[Creature]

but I already got my choice for today's lynch

[Creature]

Tennisdan is the odd role out, so therefore he must go

VOTE: Chennisdan

[Creature]

Weird, I think Debora would have put two town one-shot neighborizers to troll us

[Creature]

Oh, forgot Flubber is also the odd one out

VOTE: Flubber

[Creature]

VOTE: Looker

[Creature]

Have no idea who you are referring to

[Creature]

Wai wtf are we lynching Gamma?

[Creature]

Fuck

[Creature]

Looker is scum

[Creature]

Doctor Drew has to claim tomorrow and if it is nothing he gets lynched

[Creature]

Flubber is also likely scum

[Creature]

Creature, I tend to agree with you but I seriously doubt all the mason doubters are scum.

Likely one or two of them are

[Creature]

Also Looker and Doctor Drew are from the roster of players who refused to claim

So kill them all you want

[Creature]

ffs out of all claimed roles Gamma was one of the most believable

[Creature]

Gamma wagon stinks shit

[Creature]

specially if Flub happens to be scum

[Creature]

Charlie - VC 1.8

Chennisden (4): Flubbernugget, Gamma Emerald, Egix96, Eve
Gamma Emerald (3): Blatant Scum, Doctor Drew, pisskop
Flubbernugget (2): Titus, Creature
Doctor Drew (1): Chennisden
Egix96 (1): yurkin
Creature (1): jjh927
Titus (1): Looker
Not Voting (2): YodaVader, Alchemist21

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch
Day 2 ends on December 10th 2019 at 1:45pm EST in (expired on 2019-12-10 13:45:00)

VOTE: Flub

Town

Well fine

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Town

VOTE: Flubber

Unvote

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I'd rather do this tbh.

VOTE: Gamma

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Baaah

Stinks shit

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

go back to digimon fool

Stinks shit

I’m ok with hammering this.

VOTE: Gamma

Stinks shit

[Creature]

I don't trust Alchemist at all though

[Creature]

there are three cop claims so far:
Alignment cop
Flavor cop
PT cop

[Creature]

Good idea

[Creature]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

[Creature]

I forgot to :/

[Creature]

I was going to neighborize you and Titus though

[Creature]

If they don't claim in their next post I'm autovoting them

[Creature]

Well at this point there probably isn't a point I'm not claiming.

1 shot bulletproof.

This is why I kept saying I won't be lynched.

zzzzzz

The drama to not claim

[Creature]

I think we should lynch Creature for PR fishing.

Not my fault you have failed to lynch the vanillazer still

[Creature]

Still, I think there's guaranteed scum within the investigative

[Creature]

Yes, I did. Gonna wait the two lovebirds step up.

[Creature]

Yes, gonna be fanny

[Creature]

(guess I should have searched what fanny meant first before posting that)

[Creature]

VOTE: Chennisden

[Creature]

Again, there's certainly scum among the investigative claims

[Creature]

Could be chen, could be Alch, could be both

Can't discard the chance they did that whole theater

[Creature]

Creature, can I have your reads on everyone?

Yes, I know you're mason obviously

[Creature]

goblindick is pretty much town

[Creature]

Whoever was vanillaized is pretty much town (if I could tell who were them off my head, only remember yurkin, Drew and BS)

[Creature]

Summing up with me we have:

Titus
goblindick
yurkin
Drew
BS
me

vs

Chen
Alch
jjh
Yoda

[Creature]

goblindick is pretty much town

Who?

gobbledyck

[Creature]

And gobble is just town so Creature wouldve been hammered if scum.

That's completely wrong

I can receive one town vote at most

[Creature]

Also Doctor Drew and chennisden are pretty much scum

[Creature]

There's guaranteed scum in the investigative claims (gobbledyck, Alch, Chen)

gobbledyck is pretty much town and Alch makes sense as town investigative with a bunch of neighborizers and even mason

As to Chen he makes zero sense

[Creature]

There are only three votes on me

[Creature]

So youre saying you and Alch are both town

Yea no

Yes

[Creature]

I'm proven neighborizer

[Creature]

Your role doesn't match with the setup at all

[Creature]

Like

There has been no other role related to tracking/watching/whatever at all

[Creature]

Yeah, I'm proven not vanillaizer

[Creature]

And your role makes absolutely no sense with any other role so far

[Creature]

Well, you see, we all match at least

[Creature]

There can be one town neighborizer and one scum neighborizer as much as there could be two town neighborizers

Your role is still the odd one out

[Creature]

I tried to keep the players engaged with each other early D1.
I cleared a Miller claim and took it out of the lynch pool.
I held off on stating my guilty to maximize info and worked with you in the hood about this.

Scum doesn’t do all of those things.

This does feel town.

There's an alignment cop, a flavor cop and a PT cop

There's also a tracker

There must be scum there

[Creature]

I feel like there is a Godfather. Do we have any vanilla claims? I guess Drew could be...

There's a PT guilty on Drew so...

[Creature]

If you stop being stubborn, we can lynch at least two scum (Chen and Drew) before the inevitable mislynch occurs

[Creature]

I feel like there is a Godfather. Do we have any vanilla claims? I guess Drew could be...

There's a PT guilty on Drew so...

Would a Godfather work on a PT Cop? I would assume it works on a regular cop, but not PT Cop.

I think not.

[Creature]

Also Doctor Drew really refused to claim yesterday and it's really indicating he could be the vanillaizer here

[Creature]

I don't want to be the last mislynch of a perfect scum win

[Creature]

Can we like lynch Doctor Drew who is guiltied and have maybe Alch investigate me (or jjh if we're gonna be more useful)?

[Creature]

You've been insistent that there's scum in the investigators. Why are you supposing Alch is town here with a mylo guilty?

Considering I townread gobble and I wasn't hammered, should be pretty obvious to me Chen and Drew are scum therefore Alch is most likely town

[Creature]

Also one alignment, one flavor and one PT cop makes plenty of sense

[Creature]

You also predicted that scum would kill Egix over me and that Alch would be alive and useful. This is a lot of coincidences.

No, I was banking on BS protecting you

Alch wasn't going to be nightkilled anyway

[Creature]

Bulletproof has nothing to do with lynch

This isn't China

[Creature]

Alch changed PT Cop to traffic analyst (detects PTs in use only) and claims guilty on Drew.

Wait

How tf that translates to a guilty?

Gamma's PT thing is permanent

[Creature]

unless it only counts PTs Drew posted that night?

[Creature]

Likely we'll end voting Alch anyway

[Creature]

Still Dirk Verbeuren, drummer from Megadeth

[Creature]

I may have a gamebreaking theory, but I need to know everything that happened last night.

[Creature]

You'll find out

[Creature]

I'm really tired though

[Creature]

I've just been insulted personally over another town game

[Creature]

Meh, either I get mislynched now or I'll have to endure this game three more scum in the way

[Creature]

Also I think yesterday I could have easily been in quickhammer range for scum but they decided to play it longer (there's still the chance one voter on me unvotes or PR stops their kill hence why).

[Creature]

Scum would rather just go like "creature wuld've been hammered if town" than risk a quickhammer and possible night actions disfavoring them

[Creature]

Scum would rather just go like "creature wuld've been hammered if town" than risk a quickhammer and possible night actions disfavoring them

...? They would get parity immediately by killing someone. Why would they do this?

What if some night action shenanigans (secret PR or something) stopped their kill?

[Creature]

Also very possible they couldn't quickhammer because inactive members (would point jjh, Yoda and yurkin)

[Creature]

There's a large difference between coordinating a quickhammer in 4v2 and fucking 6v4

[Creature]

Even I do take a while to quickhammer even in a 2v1

[Creature]

Still scum are pretty reluctant to coordinate a quickhammer

[Creature]

It's way easier to just wait town conclude the wagonee must be scum because "no quickhammer happened" and facilitate their job.

[Creature]

You can see in Micc's True Love game I took time to coordinate a quickhammer with Doctor Drew

[Creature]

specially if one of the voters show up on the online users list all the time

[Creature]

There’s also the point of you forcing mass claim Day 2 which is scummy in itself.

What would be my motivation to do that as scum?

[Creature]

Town can easily just refuse and it only attracts unnecessary attention

[Creature]

It's not scummy, it's just you that found the D2 massclaim suboptimal

[Creature]

but like town does suboptimal stuff all the time

[Creature]

so forcing a massclaim D2 by itself isn't scummy at all

[Creature]

There’s also the point of you forcing mass claim Day 2 which is scummy in itself.

What would be my motivation to do that as scum?

To know where to use the vanillalizer and know what type of actions you can or cannot claim.

Why don't they just do that to the unclaimed? Or maybe one of the multiple good power roles already claimed (chennisden, BS, whatever)?

[Creature]

Town can easily just refuse and it only attracts unnecessary attention

You were literally saying lynch the unclaimed.

Yes, but doesn't matter anything if town as a collective refuse to do that.

[Creature]

There’s also the point of you forcing mass claim Day 2 which is scummy in itself.

What would be my motivation to do that as scum?

To know where to use the vanillalizer and know what type of actions you can or cannot claim.

Why don't they just do that to the unclaimed? Or maybe one of the multiple good power roles already claimed (chennisden, BS, whatever)?

The obvious answer is that they want all claims to aim the weapon most effectively. Vanillalizer + kill power is removing two powers a night. That’s really powerful.

Kill unclaimed, vanillaize the claimed?

[Creature]

You must also assume all of my buddies already claimed or something

[Creature]

Town can easily just refuse and it only attracts unnecessary attention

You were literally saying lynch the unclaimed.

Yes, but doesn't matter anything if town as a collective refuse to do that.

Creature who is scum?

I want everyone to check in their night results before telling my theory

[Creature]

or I might just tell it anyway because players take a year to check in the thread

[Creature]

Maybe we should have lynched Yoda over Looker that day and we would've been in a better situation

[Creature]

Town can easily just refuse and it only attracts unnecessary attention

You were literally saying lynch the unclaimed.

Yes, but doesn't matter anything if town as a collective refuse to do that.

Creature who is scum?

I want everyone to check in their night results before telling my theory

A theory is a theory and not your suspects. You can say your suspects without revealing your theory or really affecting how JJh or Yurkin will answer.

If I tell my theory you will know the exactly three suspects

[Creature]

If I tell my three suspects you will somehow deduce what is my theory

[Creature]

Look, I have a theory that will immediately give out all three suspects, but if I'm wrong there's a chance scum will disprove me rn

I just want to see what players claim as their night results, maybe the latter can happen as a result of that

[Creature]

Ok, then we wait.

Okay

[Creature]

Meanwhile, can we insult the players that barely ever checked in when we needed them?

[Creature]

I hate you, jjh

You always show up in the online list but you never do anything

[Creature]

Hope you die from sedentarism

[Creature]

I just want this game to progress

[Creature]

if I am 100% getting lynched then stop taking weeks to do that

[Creature]

It's a way less stingy loss if you don't make it last months

[Creature]

Was it any proven Yurkin had a doublevote D1?

[Creature]

Again, if we're looking for a vanillaizer a scum 1-shot neighborizer + vanillaizer vs town 1-shot neighborizer doesn't make much sense here

[Creature]

Cool. Where?

[Creature]

Seek And Destroy - VC 2.2

Emperor flippyNips (5): Lavender, Alchemist21, Looker, Wake88, pisskop
pisskop (5): YodaVader, Gamma Emerald, Doctor Drew, Crimson97, Blatant Scum
(Very cool and not mafia slot) (2): yurkin
Gyro Zeppeli (1): Egix96
yurkin (1): Gyro Zeppeli
Wake88 (1): (Very cool and not mafia slot)
Flubbernugget (1): TrueSoulEnergy

Not Voting (2): Flubbernugget, Emperor flippyNips
With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

Seeking replacement for Very cool and not mafia, since they didn't pick up their prod.
Day 1 is paused with 4 days 18 hours left

Hangar 18 - VC 2.3

(Emperor flippyNips slot) (6): Lavender, Alchemist21, Looker, Wake88, pisskop, Gamma Emerald
pisskop (5): Doctor Drew, Crimson97, Blatant Scum, yurkin
(Gyro Zeppeli slot) (1): Egix96
yurkin (1): (Gyro Zeppeli slot)
Wake88 (1): Titus
Flubbernugget (1): TrueSoulEnergy

Not Voting (3): Flubbernugget, (Emperor flippyNips slot), Yodavader
With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch
Day 1 is paused with 4 days 18 hours left

another one, now need a replacement for Gyro as well since they got their third prod and haven't really shown any effort. But I believe I should have the slots filled by tomorrow (Tuesday) so given they work out, we'll get the countdown (and hopefully the game overall) kicking then.
Here's to the era of no more replacements! (Hopefully )

Oh right here it is

[Creature]

guess my theory is proven wrong then

[Creature]

I was assuming BS, Drew and yurkin decided to all claim to be vanillaized to get themselves free passes while town struggles to find the vanillaizer

[Creature]

What are the odds vanillaizer abstained (or is gated) and scum decided to fakeclaim vanillaized?

[Creature]

Again, if we're looking for a vanillaizer a scum 1-shot neighborizer + vanillaizer vs town 1-shot neighborizer doesn't make much sense here

Why doesn’t it make much sense?

Being a full vanillaizer plus a 1-shot neighborizer is pretty horrible aesthetically

[Creature]

What are the odds vanillaizer abstained (or is gated) and scum decided to fakeclaim vanillaized?

I think one of the vanillalized fakeclaimed. Not sure which one though.

In that case likely BS

[Creature]

otherwise there's guaranteed three scum in {me, chen, you, Yoda, jjh}

[Creature]

if you think you and chen are town, then that means I forced both Yoda and jjh to claim fairly bad roles

[Creature]

What are the odds vanillaizer abstained (or is gated) and scum decided to fakeclaim vanillaized?

I think one of the vanillalized fakeclaimed. Not sure which one though.

In that case likely BS

Why him?

Out of all claims there, doctor seems the easiest

[Creature]

Doctor Drew is somewhere there too, but he gets cred for attracting all that unnecessary attention to claim something as stupid as 1-shot "bulletproof" deathproof

[Creature]

I think I only buy you, yurkin and maybe Drew as town rn

[Creature]

chennisden claiming to have targeted his buddy is not something very farfetched

[Creature]

chennisden claiming to have targeted his buddy is not something very farfetched

When did he target his buddy?

N1 Alch to Titus or pisskop according him

[Creature]

1. TSE/Chen has targeted someone who doesn't really make sense to target from a town perspective
2. Decides to instead claim to have targeted buddy
3. They know who buddy targeted
4. They know buddy can get away with it somehow
5. If one of them is ever lynched the other gets cred

[Creature]

Creature, why did you choose Alch and Titus for the hood?

I wouldn't run the risk of interfering with Alch's results and also because Alch/Titus look like players that would make good use of the neighborhood

[Creature]

Also who did you hide behind last night

Creature


Also I'm going to answer the flavour question last because I'm gonna do a thing with it, so you're gonna have to wait till Yurkin claims.

Let me guess

yurkin will take one week to flavorclaim then you will take another week to flavorclaim and we'll be forced to rush a lynch that is likely on town

[Creature]

Really

Fuck the wait

[Creature]

ffs I still have three mafia games still on my way before I finally get a long break from mafia

[Creature]

This game is one of them and I still yet have three more days to go if I'm trying to win

[Creature]

Oh right, there's also the nolynch thing we'll have because "lololol lets nka"

[Creature]

We're not no-lynching

If it comes to it I can try and get myself killed instead

Yeah, you're in the PoE and I think it's better you hide in the most obvious targets if possible

[Creature]

At least I won't need to bother about jjh at least for today

[Creature]

Oh the redundance

[Creature]

Players I personally won't need to bother about today:
Me
yurkin
jjh

Players I will need to bother about today:
gobbledyck (yeah sorry still gotta check stuff but you're pretty high in list tbh)
Doctor Drew
chennisden
Yodathreadevader
chennisden
Bullshit Scum
chennisden

[Creature]

My gut stil really tells me chen is scum here

[Creature]

Again, feel free to hammertest against me, but I take no responsibility for the loss

[Creature]

I just hate when nothing ever happens

[Creature]

I wonder if we can force jjh to hide behind the most obvious kill target

Would be pretty interesting to see if scum will kill off jjh together or will go for someone different

[Creature]

N1 - Alch visits Pisskop
N2 - Flubber visits nobody
N3 - Jjh visits nobody
N4 - Drew visits nobody

hmm what?

[Creature]

Actually I haven't yet

TSE, Looker, nobody

[Creature]

Why tf would chennisden target Drew?

[Creature]

I think chennisden and jjh both look bad there.

[Creature]

Creature, gun to your head who you lynching?

chennisden is the one I most scumread

but can do YodaVader or BS

[Creature]

Also why is that something you can see Chennisden doing?

Also why is that something you can see Chennisden doing?

Also why is it scum indicative

Creature can you answer this

It's actually something I can see TSE doing.

Also it's not really scum indicative, but it's a possibility. Or do you think scum didn't come with any strategy all game?

[Creature]

like, I think even Alchemist seemed to know it was coming

[Creature]

How would YodaVader/ yurkin, Creature, Doctor Drew work as scum team?

Why would scum have a doublevoter? Why would they vanillaize it?

[Creature]

Again, I'm pretty friendly rn, but the longer we take to do something, the less friendly I'll be if I keep being everyone's favorite lynch

[Creature]

I don't want to sit here for days or even a week just to be mislynched this phase

[Creature]

Considering I already had a lot of disappointment today, being the final mislynch rn won't hurt that much

[Creature]

At least I'm putting effort today

[Creature]

Creature for that PR revealing.

For revealing myself as one-shot neighborizer you mean?

[Creature]

Creature for that PR revealing.

For revealing myself as one-shot neighborizer you mean?

For that

Everyone claim a role!!!

.

Is that the only thing you can pull?

[Creature]

Yep man I'm tired

VOTE: Blatant Scum

[Creature]

He hasn't been any towny this game and fmpov I better start chopping off those who can only pull the "he forced massclaim" bullshit

[Creature]

That's the laziest thing scum can pull in order to say "hey i have someone i want lynched so i dont need to do anything today hurr durr"

[Creature]

I could see BS and Creature distancing here.

Yeah, but even if I am town BS is pretty scummy for pulling the laziest reason to push me without anything further so he's more likely to be scum

[Creature]

Players I personally won't need to bother about today:
Me
yurkin
jjh

Players I will need to bother about today:
gobbledyck (yeah sorry still gotta check stuff but you're pretty high in list tbh)
Doctor Drew
chennisden
Yodathreadevader
chennisden
Bullshit Scum
chennisden

I am curious how you came to these groupings.

I know I am town
yurkin was a doublevoter, was vanillaized and I don't see how that ever comes from scum
jjh can pretty much get himself killed and I'll happily force him to do that tonight

that leaves the other five gnomes that I may still consider lynching in, you included because Titus said something about you

[Creature]

We aren’t lynching BS today. We might not be lynching JJH today.

Oh well, if we aren't lynching BS today that only leaves chennisden for me

[Creature]

or we hope YodaVader is scum with them, but I'm the least sure on Yoda than on BS and chen

[Creature]

if you're gonna just lynch me then do it now rather than wait two whole weeks to do that

[Creature]

like, just vote me, I'll selfvote and either I am town quickhammered by the three remaining scum or I am scum and not getting lynched because nobody else will vote

[Creature]

Pretty much from your pov you either get your make-a-wish granted by lynching me alongside the scum or I'm revealed scum and I can't cut off the discussion

Should be a win/win

[Creature]

Stop being so melodramatic.

I just don't want to sit here for days just to be lynched

[Creature]

That is a pretty weak reason to not want to kill JJH.

If he's town he gets 1 or 2 chances to get himself off the PoE

[Creature]

also if we tell jjh who to target scum might want to change their nightkill choice and that may be pretty helpful

[Creature]

That is a pretty weak reason to not want to kill JJH.

If he's town he gets 1 or 2 chances to get himself off the PoE

That’s exactly why he claimed non-weak hider.

Yeh, but we can still force him to go on obvious NK targets

[Creature]

He can still die hiding behind NK targets

[Creature]

Not if he’s scum lol

We lynch him tomorrow or the day after tomorrow then

[Creature]

Yawn I'm bored

[Creature]

I see you have ran out of ideas on who to lynch, so whatever

[Creature]

Creature ur flailing p badly

tbh I think town barely ever uses the word flailing.

Scum is the more likely to call someone having insights as flailing.

[Creature]

It's just a way to say "wow that guy has started doing things bet it's just scum flailing because hurr durr im not wrong"

[Creature]

What is BS accusing me of? I only remember him saying "i find creature forcing massclaim scummy" then dunked off

[Creature]

Am I saying forcing a massclaim is scummy and never town who thought it was a good idea?

[Creature]

That's exactly what you are doing

[Creature]

Mr "Forcing a massclaim D2 is scummy"

[Creature]

Creature ur flailing p badly

tbh I think town barely ever uses the word flailing.

Scum is the more likely to call someone having insights as flailing.

It's just a way to say "wow that guy has started doing things bet it's just scum flailing because hurr durr im not wrong"

This isn't town trying to solve the game, this is scum jumping at everything and hoping something will stick

I expressed a scumread on you already and I just correctly pointed scum loves to use the word "flailing" because it's the best way to discredit town when they begin to solve the game.

[Creature]

Mr "Forcing a massclaim D2 is scummy"

Sure, continue misrepresenting the reasons we think ur scum, sure

Your reasons:
1. I tried to force a massclaim D2
2. Scum couldn't coordinate a quickhammer on me yesterday

Both are stupid reasons

[Creature]

The only one misrepresenting things here is you