Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Almost50]

Hello, boys and girls. I am here to save the day (or maybe wreck the whole game; I have no clue as of yet). The point is I won't be reading up any time soon.

Seriously; if you expect me to read almost 200 pages upon replacement you're mistaking me for another type of monkey altogether.

Oh, and I'm informed there's a Mafia team in this game. I bet that never crossed your minds.

Spoiler:

P.S. If you want me to read

something specific

I am all for it. I just don't want to go through 4600 posts only to find like 10-20% of them are game related and the others are all fluff & noise.

Game summary, anyone?

P-edit: And NERO to the rescue. Thanks, pal. You're a gem.

[Almost50]

Has there been any other replacements besides my slot? Or do I just copy the players list as is from the front page?

[Almost50]

Cool. Now what were your initial reads (the very first read list you had on mind), and what changed, if you can give me that. (You know why I ask, right?)

[Almost50]

Cool. Now what were your initial reads (the very first read list you had on mind), and what changed, if you can give me that. (You know why I ask, right?)

From what I can tell you

DocDrew apparently answered poorly to what is being described as the lie detector test
Vorkuta is being scumread for fluffing
People like Amrun wanna lynch in their townreads to kill off hyperposters
FF is threatening to Gladiate 1 or 2 players

Untrod and Flavor Leaf might be good ISO reads
People are calling Wooper a scummy ducky but I don't see it yet. Not that I'm famous for having good reads so yeah.

That's about it?

Thanks for making my life a lot easier.

[Almost50]

I feel like that’s trying to communicate something to me but I don’t really know just what it is trying to communicate to me!

Hi, Ali (I trust it's Ali since I don't even know Kise, unless I do know them by another name).

[Almost50]

I think my first scum reads were Bingle, Gamma, Wooper and Icon. Though I secretly had a scumread on Vork (and thats who I'm voting and wagoning) I still think Vork is scummy, I think Cephrir is scummy. I wouldn't be surprised if Fire is scum here. Worst wooper and Icon are the two that I'm still suspicious of and then there are a whole bunch of null slots that need to post more.

Bingle should be always a high priority sort. Why are you suspicious of him? Also, you're the second person to say Wooper is scummy. (Edit: Actually, Icon said he doesn't see it, so you're just one of the people whom Icon was referring to?)

Do you have a read on FL?? Has he fake-claimed anything yet? If so, how many edits did he do to his initial fake claim?

Is it a good idea to have Vorjy claim already? I don't want him to be @L-1 to do it, because with 39 other slots an inadvertent lol!hammer (or one that was deliberate but disguised as inadvertent) has a high probability to happen. Hell, even L-2 is too close in a game this size. Like.. Vorky has NINTEEN votes on him??

[Almost50]

Also requesting a tracker

Is that like a call for a Tracker if existent to be on you? Or is it something convoluted like requesting an ability from the mod?? (Forgive me, but I have seen plenty of shit lately, including a GIM based game run by Korina with Gamma needing to crumb an ability in thread to be given a 1-shot if said ability, so I am thinking that anything and everything is possible in a non-Normal game)

[Almost50]

Wait. Many of you were in that game. Chenn, Rauth, KidAmn, Gobble. and even Bingle (albeit nominally)

[Almost50]

@A50, there was also a claim by someone that said he could effectively reduce the needed votes on a lynch by half or smt?

How serious was the claim? And how do you read the player who claimed it?? (If it's FL, please disregard)

[Almost50]

If the Mod can confirm my ability works with 1 Shot Governor you only have to get me over half way the votes.
I’ll just auto it myself.

Oh, that's not how I read this post.. but maybe I am the one who's reading it the wrong way? I thought he was saying he is a 1-shot Governor who can pardon the lynchee if the wagon gets half way through.

[Almost50]

I think Boon has claimed uncultable

JEEEEZ!

Like, I totally forgot this game had a CULT in it!! I did read the specific rules before I applied to sub-in, but by the time I received my Role PM it had somehow evaporated off my mind (I was thinking more of how organize my reads on such a big list, and especially since I happen to know more than half the players, and I am able to recognize most of the other names too. I only am unfamiliar with 5.5 slots, and one was in my own slot so only 4.5 are totally unknown to me)

[Almost50]

I think Boon has claimed uncultable. I vaguely remember that he someone saying that he was 3p. He also went to bat for Vork saying that he "needed him alive". He also went to bat for cheeky in that other game we were in so a Vork-FL team could make some sense.

I am still trying to "compute" this and my processor went into a coma. Like, Vorky wants a Tracker on him? If he is the Cult Leader then he is working as a Weak Visitor? It doesn't make sense because once he flips all his previous visits would be exposed as cultists. FL claims 3P and wants Vorkuta alive? Why Vorky in specific? If FL rolled Cult Leader he wouldn't be this obvious about his target(s). If FL is NOT the Cult Leader, then how the hell does he even know anything about Vorkuta to begin with? If they're scum together then Vorkuta could be coached in the scum PT, thus wouldn't be driven to L-2 on D1.

I think I will keep this observation/remark on the back burner for now. Let's see how either of them flips (or investigates, as I am certain a game this size will have all sorts of roles. This nis the game that has ZERO VTs iirc. I probably should have claimed VT in my first post).

[Almost50]

Yeah vote me I just looked it up.
Governor is legit the opposite of my role.
Instead of stoping it I end it quickly.
So giving me governor will allow me to also stop Lynching as well.

I think I’ll play Town Leader for this game.
TP on me.
My role allows me to make the top wagon lynched if it’s over half votes on the wagon.

here i found the actual claim

Noted.

[Almost50]

I will as again: Why aren't we demanding a claim from Vorky at this point?

[Almost50]

I don’t put much into the scumslip

Another minor detail nobody mentioned. What scumslip?

[Almost50]

I killed both chemist and fish

Ur welcome

You forgot to say “Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned.” at the start, and “That is all I remember, Father.” at the end.

[Almost50]

Most cults were nonviolent, but maybe this one was different.

I think it makes sense in a game this size. Otherwise, it'd take them forever to achieve parity, and the alternative is to add other killing roles which would increase the chance of cult members (or cult leader even) getting shot.

Just a thought though, not info.

[Almost50]

good lord what is this?

VOTE: EP

Interesting vote. But why?

[Almost50]

Cephrir knows I'm voting his cult recruit so he needed to join the wagon growing TSE wagon in the fear that I'd detrail it (the TSE wagon) and actully lynch scum (EP)

Even more interesting. Tell me more about this:

1- Why do you think Cephrir is the Cult Leader?
2- Why do you think he targeted EP specifically (not the motive, but how did you come to that conclusion I mean)?
3- If you strongly believe the above, why vote the recruit and not the recruiter?

[Almost50]

I am apathetic to this TSE policy lynch. Someone convince me to go along with it.

He threatened to cheat and post his role PM or something. That behavior cannot be tolerated.

And you think more pressure on him will make him NOT do it?? Come on!!

[Almost50]

Like, the only valid reason for me to vote TSE right now is if he was recruited by the cult (there's no denying his role would be a food asset for them), but so far I've seen no sign of it being the case nor have I even seen anyone arguing it could be the case.

[Almost50]

Doubtful that orcus is town given the NK flavor. But we won't know until someone flips with that.

Can we stop this? I mean, someone already flipped with "Unnamed Orc Warrior" flavor, and was town (Cobble) aligned.

Now can we try to get organized in our thoughts? I know it's hard in a normal game, and is even nuttier in a 40 players non-Normal, but at least let's drop the unnecessary "Orcs are the cult.. not they're not.. they're the scum team or the SK" part.

Note: I am ashamed to admit I was reading "orc" and my brain was translating it into "ogre" so far. The wonders of a 52 y.o. processing machine.

[Almost50]

I checked, Orcus is a demonlord, not the deity I was thinking of. Still, likely not town friendly.

So Orcus is not an orc? Or is he like a bad orc?

[Almost50]

Why are you asking us what YOU did?

K let me rephrase
WHO did I

inappropriately touch

do stuff to during night time?

Reminder that the 'who' part is RNG'd

Erm.. Bingle.. maybe. He talked about being able to act twice last night and also about receiving a gift.

[Almost50]

Please tell me you can confirm Bingle as Town here so I can -at least- stop having nightmares about him saving me to last to mock me.

[Almost50]

I am going to stop at the end of page 207 and pick up where I left tomorrow. I have to sleep now (it's going to be a loooooong day and I can only sleep for the next 4 hours)

[Almost50]

But here’s the thing, what if I am super important town, acting like I’m unimportant town, lying about being survivor?

Or what if I’m legit just a survivor.

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

I’m a cop

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Get out of my claimspace.

Are you a cop too?

I’ll take it back.

Or i can just be your sidekick, if you want.

OK.. this could be Town!FL.. or it could equally be Scum!him.. it's NAI!

[Almost50]

You see, I’m something of a mentalist— I play the game in a revolution of plays countering other plays. What is this person going to do to respond to this play?

You beat me to it!

[Almost50]

amrun is the law.

This guy seems to

strongly

disagree

[Almost50]

We have 3 claimed 3rd party

I am only aware of Pink Ball and (fake) Flavor Leaf. Who's the 3rd?

[Almost50]

I am seriously considering abstaining from voting today. Like, every wagon I see is formed by someone voting and 2-3 sheeping without a word of comment. WTF?

[Almost50]

I am seriously considering abstaining from voting today. Like, every wagon I see is formed by someone voting and 2-3 sheeping without a word of comment. WTF?

this is dumb.

Check for yourself. I bet if I randomly pocked someone to vote and said that I scum read them more than any of the leading 3 wagons with no further explanation that that person will receive 2-3 more votes (aside from mine) within the next page and with no explanation pr reasoning either. You want to try?

[Almost50]

03. Wooper
04. Firebringer
06. Iconeum
13. Menalque
14. Virgo the Immaculate
20. Vorkuta
33. Cephrir
36. Almost50, who replaced jadesmar
38. KidAmn
40. EspressoPatronum

prob some scum in here

maybe FL but I'm a bit torn.

Actually, you're right. I'm scum with all of them (and then some more). Happy?? Now GO BACK TO YOUR INITIAL READ LIST.

[Almost50]

Wait who’s Kid again?

We all are. Some of us are older than the other kids though.

[Almost50]

Wait when did Already50 came here?

Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Hi.

I believe I came in towards the end of D2. It wasn't 200 pages yet, but was close. How well are you handling the game so far? Got any

confident

reads?

[Almost50]

Wait what, D2 ended?

MY BAD. Finger slipped. I meant towards the end of DAY ONE.

[Almost50]

Like, I want to sheep Nero, but he has drastically changed his list it seems (he usually has better reads at the start of the game before people start pissing him off). I am surprised he pit my name on the 10-players list of suspects though, as I have "yet" to piss him off.

[Almost50]

Actually, I went back to his initial list and it did have Wooper/FB/Icon/Vork/Ceph/KidAmn on it. He only took off Bingle & Gamma and added Mebalque, Virgo, A50 and EP. Not bad for consistency. Actually, much better than I initially thought.

[Almost50]

So you aren't sheeping me b/c why?

Waiting for Pink Ball to give me an update. I probably will end up sheeping you, but I make no promises.

[Almost50]

1 more vote and I can execute Titus.

I thought you said it was 1-shot!

[Almost50]

Never did I say it was one shot.

OK, maybe I imagined it? Or maybe someone else said it was 1-shot and I took it for granted.

P-edit: There. Korina, Miss Lynch & chenn all thought it was 1- shot too, so there must be a reason why we all thought it to be.

[Almost50]

1 more vote and I can execute Titus.

How many times can you use your ability btw? Someone asked you earlier but I don't think you answered.

Eternity.

OK, your slot is probably self-resolving. Moving on.

[Almost50]

1 more vote and I can execute Titus.

How many times can you use your ability btw? Someone asked you earlier but I don't think you answered.

Eternity.

OK, your slot is probably self-resolving. Moving on.

How so?

Obvious. If he is Town and has unlimited shots scum are forced to deal with him sooner than later.

[Almost50]

I'm expecting more scumhunting from a50.

You shouldn't, and specifically not in games I replace into. (I only replace in to save the day because I myself hate it when a game stalls in wait for a replacement). This game was too big for me to replace into, so I jumped in expecting to be lynched sooner than later.

That said, I agree the Elements wagon went off too fast (which was EXACTLY what I was talking about earlier. One person votes and 3 jump on the wagon for no apparent reason).

VOTE: Vorkuta

[Almost50]

Before anyone does anything stupid, I invite you to do a quick search on Elements' meta. I am not saying he's town/scum. I am saying he has a weird playstyle that you should all be aware of before you decide to seal his fate.

[Almost50]

I’m Thode aligned

I put "Thode" in my Google search, and this is what I got as the top result

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

And I think the fact that he was lynched day 1 in the next largest game he’s played says a lot about whether some of the other stuff I found scummy was AI or not.

I could add more to this, except.. "ongoing", but let me say that "in general" I get the impression he may have a little difficulty in interpreting some stuff, including the wording of his own role.

[Almost50]

LOL @FL making 27 consecutive posts without interruption. AMAZING record.

[Almost50]

But I object to that change for the reasons outlined here

[Almost50]

I really really really don’t think Elements is scum.

Neither do I, but it sucks not to be able to defend him or explain why!

[Almost50]

I trust that town wouldn't claim scum is a friendly neighbor.

Generally speaking; you are being naive. FL would do it!

But BBMolla is "old school", so he wouldn't fake claim to clear someone that way.

[Almost50]

I wouldn’t true claim it.

I know, I know. You will just say it, but you won't be claiming it.

[Almost50]

5-9 Cult

Do you understand how Cults work?

[Almost50]

Also is FormerFish a Good Player?
If not, then the only reason I could see him as the Night Kill is if it was because mafia were trying to form a miss lynch on me but Fish would have defended me.
It’s also possible that he could have been killed because most of the strong players flipped mafia.

Can we talk about this from a purely neutral critical PoV? Or will you take it as a personal attack?? I'll take my chances.. here goes:

Is TSE a Good Player? If not, then why would Mafia ever care to mislynch him (or even NK him) at this point?
Mafia are in dire need of mislynches at this stage, and they cannot afford the day to end in a No Lynch because of the massive number of players. Even if they are 10 (I very much doubt it because one team of TEN players is too strong even if they were all Goons), they still don't want to gang up on the mislynch wagon. Solution? Get the wagon to just 25% of the living players and have you Execute the subject.

Even if it is multi-ball; neither team wants to be on the other's lynch to avoid being shot by the other team, so -again- get the wagon to 25% and have TSE do the job for them.

You only become dangerous if the numbers go down enough to make it both: (a) easy to get a mislynch, and (b) hard to prevent a correct lynch. In other words; when there are fewer than 20 players alive. Only then can the Mafia think "let's get rid of him to make it harder to get a lynch on any of us".

Basically, you are a "town controlled Day Vig", and Mafia almost never hit a Vig (or a SK) this early, because they need the extra kills.

[Almost50]

Lynch Elements. Elements flips scum. Lynch TSE for not executing. Then lynch Gamma for the lulz

You forgot to say: Not necessarily in that order.

[Almost50]

Please, for the love of Cobble Pisskop, do no do a read through catchup where you comment on 2-3 posts on every page. You will literally have 700+ posts before you catch up, and probably 600 will have been superseded by events.

I second that. Never catch up in the first place is even a better advice. Just jump in and swim with the flow. You probably will be crushed when you reach the falls, but still..

[Almost50]

He died saving someone?

He was a bloody BG FGS! Usually when these flip one would assume they died protecting someone else!!

[Almost50]

Ok.
So why isn’t the person shot claiming?
Assuming they were attacked by mafia, mafia already knows their Town so why don’t they just self confirm themselves then?

Are you trolling??

[Almost50]

What’s the VC?

That's short for the Vote Count. You're welcome. With Love from Microsoft Customer Service Department.

[Almost50]

@Mod: May or may not be able to post within the next 72 hours. V/LA

[Almost50]

Honestly the only thing that kept TSE from being lynched was his ability.

That's pretty surface level if you ask me. The guy had just executed a cultist so was least suspected to be culted himself, and earlier he also executed Mafia so confirmed not to be Mafia. At worst he was benign 3P, and with his executions already hitting spot I very much doubt he would have been lynched anytime soon even if he had executed town for the next 2-3 days.

[Almost50]

Thinking Zorooster since the lie detector came back false but Inside said they actually did it. [...]

Do JOATs usually have an ability to hide? It's not clear to me why Inside Job's statement came back as false. Was it a lie about hiding, or a lie about Zoraster being town as a result?

In the case of the latter, I'd like to vote Zora.

I won't claim I'm on top pf the game, and I certainly have large portions that I haven't read, but I get the feeling Inside Job was trying to clear Zoraster. The question is was it before or after he was culted.

[Almost50]

TSE was probably recruited N3 because we collectively decided...

TSE was

definitely

recruited N3, or he wouldn't have hammered his own buddy on D3.

[Almost50]

Thinking Zorooster since the lie detector came back false but Inside said they actually did it. [...]

Do JOATs usually have an ability to hide? It's not clear to me why Inside Job's statement came back as false. Was it a lie about hiding, or a lie about Zoraster being town as a result?

In the case of the latter, I'd like to vote Zora.

Kind of realized after the flip, but in NAR the hide would happen before the recruit, meaning that as long as the cult leader is alive a hider can't guarantee someone as town. So, that was a bad guilty on my part.
I didn't end up using my ability last night, the day ended before I could break my post restriction. I guess I'll go ahead and break it now, and get that over with.

I would be interested in either a Zoraster lynch or a Flavor Leaf lynch. One of those is almost certainly scum. Was honestly expecting Elements to vig one of them last night.

I do not want to lead anyone astray, but -to me- a Hider canNOT be targeted "directly" by ANY normal priority action.
This means, he was either recruited by a high priority action (unlikely, since mod says he follows NAR, although NAR doesn't explicitly prevent including a Higher Priority Modifier), OR they got recruited

while Hiding

, meaning the action actually hit Zoraster and "consequently" InsideJob (because he was hiding behind Zor).

But that is IF we believe InsideJob was actually truthfully claiming his Hider action.

To reiterate: Either InsideJob was targeted directly by a Higher Priority Cult Recruitment Action, He was Culted while Hiding behind Zor which necessitates Zor to have been culted too, OR InsideJob lied for God knows what reason about having had a Hider shit to begin with.

InsideJob was a

[Almost50]

Is/Was Zor confirmed a townie by any other way aside from InsideJob's claim?

[Almost50]

I'm going to take that as confirmation that a cult recruiter would not be told whether their action would go through on a hider, which in turn implies that inside job was a N1 recruit. OTOH, ali didn't have a motive to clear scum Zor as cult, so Zor is at worst cult and we're really not hurting against the cult atm.

Results came through, I continue to have no reason to believe that there's anything useful about FB you all should know.

I'm kind of interested in the reasoning on why we should believe the FL guilty in light of the flip.

If there's anything I've learnt about you it is that asking for a clarification on your logic yields mire confusion, so I won't ask. Instead I will just say Cults are damn too hard to deal with and it's best to keep them at bay and try to eliminate them early or they will triumph. (Not the kind of Cult you used in your last game though)

Sidenote: The fact that I didn't even realize you were in this game should tell you how much I have been following ANY of mt games.

[Almost50]

@Pisskop - There’s zero chance I’m ever cult and you don’t get recruited by Day 4....

That is actually a decent point. OK, half decent. There's lots of fish in this sea, but the recruits that flipped so far make it nigh to impossible that FL had a say in them.

[Almost50]

Claiming now. It’s Day 4, I’m done messing around. I’ll claim.

I’m a Backup Investigative. Any Cop or Cop-like ability that dies, I get it.

I don't suppose a JOAT with at least one investigative shot would count, would it?

Oh, what am I doing? Taking a FLAVOR LEAF claim for granted? In my defence, you did say "claim".

[Almost50]

and because of my deal with Miss Lynch

What deal, may I ask?

[Almost50]

Fucking awesome, cyrus62 requested replacement.

We can solve this problem right here and now:

VOTE: cyrus

Unless you all want to wait for the inevitable modkill on the slot. Like, who in their right minds would willingly replace into a 28-living players game that's already 350 pages long?

[Almost50]

Am I correct in assuming the top 2 wagons are on Wooper & Zor? (P.S. I am 3 pages behind, and I didn't bother counting, but I did see a lot of votes for these particular two.)

[Almost50]

Wooper

- Amrun, BBmolla, Untrod Tripod, zoraster, Firebringer, gobbledygook

zoraster

- EspressoPatronum, pisskop, AaronFrost, Miss Lynch
Flavor Leaf - Pink Ball, Dr Easy Bake, KidAmn, Cephrir

cyrus62

- RCEnigma, Almost50, Iconeum
Untrod Tripod - Wooper

I'm alright lynching the highlighted 3. I am not fine with lynching the other two.

Wooper I can't explain why I SR him. I just do. He hasn't done anything that makes me think he "might" share my win con.

Zor I've explained it's very possible (and likely) is culted on the night the Hider hid behind him, but (xofelf??) says only 1 cult member alive, so for my theory to be true she must be getting the number of the

cultists

excluding the Cult Leader.

cyrus hasn't dine anything and neither did his predecessor, and no one's going to take that slot, so it's an idle slot. Regardless of it's alignment (and I do lean Scum) it's dead weight at the very best, so we are doing ourselves (and the mod) a favour lynching there.

[Almost50]

I am gonna guess both the cult and mafia are doing their fair share of bussing btw.

??? We already have 3 flipped cultists. How much more do you think we have on D4 (even ignoring our "cult counter" says only one cultist alive)?

[Almost50]

Guys I'm the cult leader and I have one shot immunity against scum if I try to recruit them, I tried to recruit FL and I failed!!!!

See, I can fake claims too. Will anyone believe it please?

If we do then we should be lynching you first to guarantee no more cult spreading, and THEN we can hunt for scum and look for true links between flipped scum and living players.

[Almost50]

VOTE: FL

Meh. This has played like scum the whole game. It is probably scum.

I don’t play like scum when I’m scum, only town.

This is pretty similar to me in Detective Penguin, tbh.

Difference is your alignment, not mine

This is why nobody's ever going to trust you. You are a certified manipulator who uses his meta to deceive people.

If you want more reason why you cannot be trusted just look at the title above your profile picture.

There are people who are willing to give you some space, but will still be suspicious of you regardless, and ten there are people who would rather mislynch town!you than lose to manipulative-scum!you.

So, please, for once, try to use your play

in this game

as an argument for your townie-ness, rather than your play in previous games. Can you do that for me?

[Almost50]

Dude come on, FL calling me cultist IS A SCUMTELL, trust me on this

FFS, you're not helping your own case by calling everything he does (or doesn't) a scumtell. Yes, FL is a scum lord and nothing he has said or done so far is outside his scum range. Yet again, none of it is proof or even an indication he is scum. It's NAI at best.

P.S. I have been scum with FL. I have been town against Scum FL. I have modded Scum FL. I have seen most of his tricks. Then again, I have seen him do them as Town too, and the fact he is a claimed 3P (I don't trust the claim, but IF it's true) is reason enough to make me unsure what your take is exactly.

[Almost50]

Gamma, ceph, PB in that order

Can you do Zor if he isn't today's lynch, please?

[Almost50]

I will leave you all to discuss this list of people I think are possible cult leader.

36. Almost50

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Like, the mere fact than Menalque of all people was culted is proof enough I am not the Cult Leader!! Furthermore, if I was the Cult Leader my first 3 recruits would have been Nero, Bingle & FL. These are people I know I can work with just fine. There are others but these are/would have been my top 3 choices.

[Almost50]

Just have to wait for BBmolla to confirm if roleblocked.

He already confirmed he was NOT RB'd, and explained that he was motivated so had 2 shot on that night and one of them did go through (unless being RB'd only blocks one shot!)

[Almost50]

if BBM hadn't been blocked he would have been silenced

Then explain how his other shot of the same night went well? (Or am I mixing my games again?)

[Almost50]

Nope, as I said if I were ascetic I would have claimed it first post. Fml pc BBM is confirmed blocked that night.

my motivated ability worked though

??

No. I wasn't delusional. BBM did say he was motivated and it went through on the same night

[Almost50]

I am gonna guess both the cult and mafia are doing their fair share of bussing btw.

??? We already have 3 flipped cultists. How much more do you think we have on D4 (even ignoring our "cult counter" says only one cultist alive)?

If korina got a night 0 action and was silenced as a result than we may in fact have an extra cultist.

True.. maybe

[Almost50]

Gamma, ceph, PB in that order

Can you do Zor if he isn't today's lynch, please?

I'm not going to claim targets before I do them for what I hope are obvious reasons

That's fair

[Almost50]

I will leave you all to discuss this list of people I think are possible cult leader.

36. Almost50

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Like, the mere fact than Menalque of all people was culted is proof enough I am not the Cult Leader!! Furthermore, if I was the Cult Leader my first 3 recruits would have been Nero, Bingle & FL. These are people I know I can work with just fine. There are others but these are/would have been my top 3 choices.

yo FOH with self-meta. have more respect for the rest of the players than to post that bullshit.

this isn't meta per se, though. It's more of .. erm.. a public relations status? The fact is I don't get a long with Menalque so well, like.. ever. he SRs me in every single game we play together, and I SR him back. It'd be really awkward if we both suddenly started to TR each other out of the blue. I actually look forward to the day when we roll Masons together. If I was a Cult Recruiter then out of the other 39 slots Menalque & DEB would have been the bottom 2 priorities for me to target.

[Almost50]

A50, you know FL, you know how to get FL lynched,

I confess to the first half, but I'm not sure about the second one. When did you see me actually manage to lynch FL?? More like he knows how to get me lynched.

[Almost50]

And if you don't want him lynched, then again, why correcting my push on him? Be useful, you're not being useful

I'm sorry if I pushed the wring button there. I dunno if I want to lynch FL. I was hoping someone would investigate him. From skimming I get that "it's rumoured" someone did, but I don't trust that to be the case.

FL only appears once on Amrun's list though, and with Titus flipping scum on the N1 list and Korina flipping scum on the N2 list I don't know what to think about FL.

[Almost50]

I killed creature

VOTE: Elements

Creature was "Sacrificed to the Orcus". That has happened to 2 other players before, and yet you claim you have NOT killed anyone on N2. It thus follows that you're either lying here (about killing Creature) or that it's actually a factional kill and someone else did the kill on N2.

[Almost50]

So am I correct in assuming that 'sacrificed to Ocrus' is Elements's kill flavor which means he also killed Chemist and Menalque.

That's what I'm saying. He saud he killed NO ONE on N2 though. Go figure.

[Almost50]

Stopping at the bottom of page 381. can't do this tonight, Sorry.

[Almost50]

Well uh

Zor wasnt cult

Is what I learned last night

The question is why the heck did InsideJob clear him? Are Ascension trying to work with Runelord? Did IJ TR Zor so hard so as to pull an FL level gambit like that??

[Almost50]

Claim: FBI Agent. Elements is an SK.

FFS. Didn't I make that argument yesterday? I guess I was too tired to continue the push at the time and when I came back the thread was already locked, but I seem to remember someone trying to shut it down.

[Almost50]

if we kill elements right now i have to take his alignment and role and i really don't want that can we please just lynch icon

First time I ever hear of a backup SK!!!

[Almost50]

i know that i can leave this realm with him once our purpose is accomplished, regardless of his fulfillment of wincon

Does Elements win or lose if you leave the game like that?

[Almost50]

@gobble: I didn't get a word you said in that wallpost. Thanks for making me more confused after reading ti than I was before.

To me:

N1, Amrun checked chkflp, as there were no actual in-game kills yet. He got 6 "rando," names that had to include at least one scum. Virgo was it. (Virgo was Titus if you missed that).

N2 Amrun checked the body of FF, and he had both Korina and Zor on that list.

N3 he checked Vorky, and -again- he got Korina & Zor.

N4 he checked Menalque (who was obviously killed by Elements), and guess what? It was the only time Element's name appeared on a list.

N5 he checked TSE and Zor is right there again. Note that scum could have killed on the night they were killed themselves.

Now, I certainly am not saying everyone else on those lists is clear. I am just pointing out that you made some mistake (perhaps you missed that Virgo was Titus?)

Let me know if I had misread your analysis, or made a mistake in mine. Cheers

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

Alright. Also wondering if there might be better lynches for today. (Dave, UT, DEB, for example)

yeah bro let's lynch the fucking cult cop

That role does not make you town. And we're still missing a killer in Amrun's list if they are to be believed.

I have just posted about this (perhaps my 2nd meaningful post of all game, after the Elements is SK one, which probably came at the wrong time)

[Almost50]

I think it’s very easy to resolve the formerfish list with flavorcop(s). I’m not interested in lynching in it further without a flavor cop saying UT or EP is the Aasimar woman. As I said I think it’s some other flavor explanation and that more likely one or zor or Korina was behind that kill.

I guess >I< misread your lists then

P-edit: I'm not an expert in the source material, but I had been assuming Korina was it. TBF, I put Xanesha Aasimar in google search and it returned a list of pages, the first of which was this one, and I didn't care to actually read it. It just gave me the impression that Xanesha was somehow linked to whatever an Aasimar is and I put it to rest.

I guess I should leave it to the experts.

[Almost50]

my birthday wish will be that everyone will start reading the fucking thread

You'll probably end up disappointed for a whole year (until your next Bday)

[Almost50]

Forgive me for not believing the Nexus part of Element's claim, and knowing him he most likely is trying to fake something he doesn't even understand (no offense). Bingle got the result of SK on Elements, and he

confirmed

. For him to be a Nexus the result

could not

have been on him (unless Bingle forgot to tell us he is strong-willed). If Bingle did get an accurate result on Elements then Elements canNOT be a Nexus. Period. I am thinking he's fake claiming Nexus now to discourage any TPRs from targeting him (JK/RB/Vig and what not).

[Almost50]

A50 I LOVE YOU BUT YOU'RE PROBABLY SCUM

Why am I scum? Is it because I was lurking? I was doing it all over the site. Right now I am trying to get back into the mood to play after recovering from a really bad experience. I didn't want to say anything at the time, because I didn't want to gain leverage from it, but the reason I was lurking is that my mother passed way on Nov 25th (check when I declared VLA for the first time. That's exactly when I had received the news). Before that she was in intensive care for a few days too. I (and my wife) lived with my mom. We were the ones taking care of her, so it affected us the most (I have 2 brothers).

So, without making a big deal of it, if your SR on me is due to my low activity you should drop it and reevaluate. If it's due to my content then please provide the case so I can properly defend myself (not that I care that much, but I certainly don't want to be mislynched and then be accused of having scumsided too, like it was the case in Cephrir's recent game.)

So, what's your case? Why are you SRing me?

[Almost50]

Thank you, mate. Much appreciated.

[Almost50]

Like, where's the "I'm getting nightkilled" A50 I know

That's because I didn't expect to be NK'd, but rather to be lynched. This was how I responded to Nero when he said he expected more scumhunting from me (on Nov 21, so you may make an enlightened deduction as to where my mind mostly was).

You shouldn't, and specifically not in games I replace into. (I only replace in to save the day because I myself hate it when a game stalls in wait for a replacement). This game was too big for me to replace into, so I jumped in expecting to be lynched sooner than later.

But now that I'm starting to read (not necessarily everything and not necessarily in details) I don't see why you would FoS me now when you had let me slide when I most expected to be pushed and probably wouldn't have even cared to provide the slightest of effort in resistance.

Back to current time I'm still of the opinion we lynch the outed (and self-confessed) SK. I'd have been for leashing him if we did have a list of people we wanted to slay at night, but the best we have are Amrun's lists and I don't want to kill off them (since there appears to have been at least one name on each list that did fit the kill and is already dead, aside from the fact we dunno who the Aisimar Lady is/was for sure). I mean, the most frequently appearing names -who are still alive- are UT, EP & Pine, and I don't want to kill any of them. Miss Lynch happens to be the only one I want "out of the game" but we can wait and see if she does leave the game when it's down to 10 players alive, and Elements only serves to get there faster but she doesn't appear to

need

him to get there. (I, referring to ML as the pronoun on that specific profile indicates).

Suffice it to say I would rather lynch Elements over Iconeum today, and I don't even know why people are voting Icon with such enthusiasm (inb4 Icon flips Cult Recruiter and I'm setting myself up with this defence).

Note: Elements is the only "outed scum" currently, which means the Cult Recruiter won't target him anyway. We need for the Cult Leader to try and recruit some scum we have yet to suspect so the Recruiter would die and save us the trouble. The counter argument is Elements may also kill the Cult Recruiter directly, so that's why people want to leash him, which I accept with a grain of salt, and thus not currently voting

[Almost50]

chenn after icon, prolly but not too sure there

Why not DEB, if I may ask?

[Almost50]

Oh, well.. my advice is to cherish the time she is with you on earth. No matter how old one is, they still feel orphaned when their mom passes away. I hope your mom lives long and stays healthy.

[Almost50]

I’m pretty sure at this point the cult leader is like one of these three people:

Almost50
Raurthedir
Untrod Tripod

Everyone else has flavor supporting them not being cult or night actions.

Alright. I'm the Cult Leader and I culted Gobble.

P.S. This is why he can't send FN messages anymore. <<

[Almost50]

Just to be clear (since many of you don't even recognize humour/sarcasm if it hit them in the face. THE ABOVE POST IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE. I do suspect Gobble to have been culted though, and if he was then UT & Rauth are definitely NOT cult at this point.

[Almost50]

I honestly don’t know if it is even in town’s best interest to kill cult leader

. It swings the parity massively in scum’s favor especially if we have Elements and Miss Lynch going rogue.

I rest my case.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Almost 50

Time to claim

With two votes on me? I don't think so. I'll claim this though..

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

We are at a minimum dealing with 3 cult and 3 mafia. More than likely more than that on mafia side. Plus we have Elements going rogue which is just weird considering he doesn’t need to go AWOL to satisfy his wincondition.

So, why are you not voting the outed SK who is going rogue?

[Almost50]

And Gobble proposing both A50 and UT but voting A50 is either gobble thinking just like me or that he's been culted

I promise you it's the latter. I'd bet my life on it.

As I saod before (and you're probably one of the few who will understand this), my first two recruits are always Bingle & FL. They know everybody else and their input about whom to recruit subsequently would have been invaluable to me, and

especially so

when I had apparently not been reading the game in details till yesterday (D5).

[Almost50]

VOTE: Almost 50

Time to claim

With two votes on me? I don't think so. I'll claim this though..

Spoiler:

Okay Batman, riddle me this.....


If you don't cooperate, I'm going to dayvig you today.

So I look like I play to LIVE???

Wait. DAYvig you say?? No thanks. But if you can do it

at night

I am all for it.

[Almost50]

VOTE: UT

Choooo choooo

What’s our thought on turkey? That “let the CL live” tripe is sus af

How many if UT's checks are still alive? Because if we lynch him and he flips what he says he is then -at least- you'd want to use that list to clear a few players from being the Cult Leader.

Disclaimer: NOT saying we should lynch UT though. I am saying that you do NOT want to do it without considering your next move if he flips P.O. (A Cult Cop is a Private Investigator. Right? The wiki doesn't have a page for that, but I seem to remember the Role from Great/Greatest Idea Mafia)

[Almost50]

I'm not necessarily asking you to play to live, I'm asking you to play to help us kill the CL.

OK. So, in order to "play ball" I am telling you honestly that I am NOT the Cult Leader (nor have I been culted up to this point).

Rauth "could" be it, but I doubt it. The way he went "state your win con" would have benefited the Cult recognizing their safe targets (assuming he is a Lie Detector). He could have even falsely cleared someone if that was the case. The reason I doubt it is he has set himself up to die before the game is over for certain. Unless the Cultists do NOT commit suicide upon the lynch of their Leader I find that an impossible route to take from the Cult Leader. Even if they don't (suicide) he should not have doubled down in it when the 1st 3 members of his Cult went down in the opening 3 cycles.

UT I can't argue mechanically for him, but I maintain my read on the slot is TOWN by play.

IMHO, the Cult leader is in these 4:

1- DEB: I googled Viqtor Lionheart (his flavour) and was redirected to this page. I noticed this character has "minions". It's not exactly "undeniable evidence" but it's very much a clue.

2- davesaz: Hasn't been doing much (I know.. I know.. kettle/pot) and I have not much info on him either. Has he been checked by ANYONE?

3- Xofelf: As silly as it is, giving us the count of living cultists us the most accurate statement a Cult Leader can give. They can't go wrong in this one.

4- Pink Ball: This is admittedly as low a probability as it is for UT to be the Cult Leader. I just seem to have it down that they claimed Benevolent 3P at some point. (I don't even remember where I got that from. Probably Nero or Bingle when they were trying to catch me up whne I joined the game??)

If I were you I'd kill one of DEB/dave and lynch the other (unless your vig ends the day, which would be bollocks). I'm like 70-80% it's one of the two.

Happy?

[Almost50]

To be clear, I'm thinking UT is runelord, and chennis is cult leader right now. I'd put gobbles as a likely cult recruit at this point.

Did chennis volunteer to claim or was he like Flavour Copped before he did?

[Almost50]

Just a thought, overrelying on flavor is the surest way to lose ya?

If either of them flips Cult Leader we know who the two cultists are.

[Almost50]

If UT is scum then he's the Aasimar woman. We know Amrun was telling the truth about her lists, so fmpv I'm either wrong on the Aasimar woman flavour or UT is guilty.

I thought you thought UT was suspect of being the Cult Leader.

[Almost50]

Hey, Elements. Can you claim if you leave when we hit 10 players so I can check that?

If this is the case then we should just leash Elements and wait for him and ML to leave at that point in time. It does 'waste' one of my shots but it would get that out of the way for good.

I'm curious if what happens if Elements ended up killing ML.

[Almost50]

There's also davesaz. Maybe.

Also, UT has a flavor cop result?

Gobble got a message from RC saying Dave was town.

Let me rephrase that: A cultist is telling us he received a note that the Cult Leader is town-aligned, and we're supposed to believe him.

Don't forget not even RCE knows what's in the note he sent. It could be anything. Literally.

P-edit: F me! I saw PB

asking

to b revealed, but missed the actual mod-confirmation.

And if you insist I could be the CL, please shoot me NOW. Save me the trouble of efforting only to end up shot on the same day. Then when I flip, use your head (the one above your neck) and bloody lynch dave/DEB and have Elements kill the other (if the one you lynch doesn't flip CL).

What I am proposing though is that you

shoot

in dave/DEB, and lynch the other, and Elements can kill me at night instead, as I lose if I die by day and win if I die at night. Thank you very much.

[Almost50]

Are you gonna answer EP’s question or are you guys just going to all delve into paranoia that I am the cult leader when I quite literally cannot be mechanically.

You are not the CL. Nobody accused you of being the CL. I am saying you have been

culted

last night. But keep on doing you

[Almost50]

I'm the Cult Leader

I'm in the Cult

I'm in the Cult

Guys! I've found the cult!

Good catch. You should totally shoot all 3 of them, starting with their Leader.

[Almost50]

Claiming intent to shoot A50 unless I see a full claim (role + flavour) or some significant strides in helping us find the CL.

You have approximately 24 hours, A50.

I take back my claim, and I blatantly refuse to cooperate under the circumstances. I a not one to submit to threats. Go ahead and shoot me. End of.

[Almost50]

@EP: I already gave you my list of suspects, and it seems UT has cleared xofelf too, so it's literally down to DEB/dave (and chenn IF his claim came AFTER he was Flavour Copped). I am

certain

it's one of them.

Why don't you shoot in dave/DEB and -if you don't get the CL- lynch me? I still lose that way, but it gives me half a chance to prove I am not the CL (which is better than shooting me outright because -while it does prove I am not the CL- won't help me much as I would be DEAD already).

[Almost50]

No. I have to die anonymously. Claiming turns me into a survivour.

[Almost50]

Claiming my flavour, that is. The role is called Martyr which is the inverse of a Jester.

[Almost50]

I am actually surprised the Cult Cop didn't target me or dave yet. I wonder why someone like xofelf takes precedence over me/dave/DEB, when nobody has been calling her CL anyway!

And speaking of who was calling who CL:

Almost is also an outside chance since he isn’t confirmed by anything too, I just townread his reaction the first time I accused him.

21. Dr Easy Bake
24. davesaz
28. pisskop, who replaced Hectic

Cult leader is more than likely in this group of people.

This is the updated list of who is most likely cult leader. It could also be UT, but that’s a much lower possibility. I think we should kill one of these over Iconeum.

'nough said. Gobble was culted last night I'm

dead certain

.

[Almost50]

I never got true affection from my parents so I’m a weak hider.

Surely you crumbed your targets beforehand or your death -should it have occurred- would have been in vain. Care to point those crumbs out?

[Almost50]

VOTE: Flavor
Always happy with this.

This also came on Day 4 after your alleged hiding result on FL night 2.

Good catch!

@EP: Can you shoot DEB, please?

[Almost50]

We should probably use DEB as a suicide investigator now.

My Gosh! You believe everything anyone says?? The guy hasn't even pointed out his crumbs FGS, and besides he voted someone he hid behind. Can you please stop to think of this claim for a minute? I mean, we had a flipped JOAT who claimed to have had a HIDER SHOT already. Does this even make sense to you?

[Almost50]

i feel like we're believing any and every claim that comes along here

Amen

[Almost50]

At least if DEB is the CL then Gobble is cleared (he's the one who pointed out DEB voted FL after he claims to have hid behind him)

[Almost50]

I'm honestly kind of lost with who to shoot. The claims are helping, but I'm struggling to sort between scummy people and CL people.

Is there any benefit to me holstering today? It's only a 1-shot, so maybe I could maybe get KidAmn to JK me to keep me safe until I use it tomorrow?

I think I agree with this. KidAmn should protect EP and Elements should kill someone like Gamma, RCEnigma, or Pisskop.

I thought we had agreed Elements should be leashed unto me tonight!

[Almost50]

VOTE: DEB

I've got a sinking feeling this guy is indeed he CL, but in any case he is lying.

[Almost50]

I won't believe the mod put in a full town Hider and then decided to give the JOAT Hider shot too.

[Almost50]

I'm just here to do the killing. When ML meets their win con feel free to lynch me.
Yea sure

This implies you WIN with ML, so why won't you leave the game if you've already won??

OK, assuming you do NOT win with ML leaving, then why are you concerned about HER win con and not yours?

[Almost50]

It doesn't look like you need too much help, though, considering DEB looks to be at L-1

Where'd you come up with that? He only had FIVE votes according to the last VC, and it needs ELEVEN to lynch!

day six vote count 6.02

Dr Easy Bake -

pisskop, gobbledygook, EspressoPatronum, Almost50, Pink Ball

chennisden -

BBmolla, Elements

Untrod Tripod -

Pine

Miss Lynch, xofelf, and davesaz have been prodded.

Day Six. 20 alive, 11 lynch.
(expired on 2019-12-28 22:00:00) until deadline (extended due to holiday).

[/quote

[Almost50]

DEB is L-1?! How did that happen.

It never did.. unless ML has inherited the role of TSE somehow

[Almost50]

Wait. If Deb was a hider... how did BB get a result on him

HOLY CRAP! You are doing GREAT of late. I don't want you dead anymore. That's for sure.

[Almost50]

Wait. If Deb was a hider... how did BB get a result on him

Because the most common implementation of hider isn't ascetic? It only stops kills.

NO. You canNOT target the Hider directly. EVERYTHING fails. You are investigating an "empty home" because te Hider leaves home and "hides" at someone else's home. You target the person they are

hiding behind

and you get a result (ex: If DEB was hiding behind me, the only way you get a result on him is by targeting

me

. In that case, you get a double result, so your claimed role would have returned "Not SK, Not SK". That's how you know you targeted someone with a Hider behind them).

[Almost50]

I think I am lost/confused, so I'll go back to chewing on my shoe on this one. It seems Bingle is in the know here, while I was speaking out of my arse about my own experience (and use, as a mod) of the role.

[Almost50]

A50 do you have a post restriction that makes you abuse underlines

Blink twice if you're being held against your will

lol. No, but I've been told CAPITALIZING (for emphasis) leaves the other party under the impression I was yelling, so I use

Italic

,

underline

,

bold

, or any combination of the 3 (plus asterisk, quotation marks & sometimes >< instead). Do you want me to bold and colour instead?

[Almost50]

I am a hu-man

Is that Chinese or Korean??

[Almost50]

Who should we lynch? I feel like we're kind of stalled, so now is the time to introduce new ideas.

I am currently voting DEB myself. Of EP shoots him I will reconsider depending on his flip (precisely CL or not). If he is CL I no longer have a reason to prefer dave over anyone else. If DEB is NOT the CL then dave is my voting target.

[Almost50]

I don't even know what exactly it is we're waiting for anymore. Everyone has their own reads and views and we are all repeating them non-stop. So?

[Almost50]

I think we should consider a mass claim today or tomorrow if we dont catch the CL

Mate, we have a

very good

(see this, Ceph? ) chance of lynching/killing the CL today/tonight. EP's shot + the day lynch for starters. If we still fail I think we probably can count on the scum team to do it because the Cult is ALSO as dangerous to scum now as it is to town. I haven't even mentioned the SK because that kill should be reserved for me, but I'm willing to give that up for one more night if needs be. (Note that if all fails and it looks like Cult are going to win then I cam claim my flavour turning into a survivour and win with them instead, so it's not all lost for me just yet)

[Almost50]

DEB is not a mason with me lmfao

IM NOT FAKE CLAIMING MASON YOU FUCKS

@All: How many lies should DEB tell before you finally get convinced he's the CL??

[Almost50]

I am still adamant DEB is the CL, but I won't be a bigot about it. If it comes down to chenn in the end I will switch my vote.

[Almost50]

What's the VC like?

[Almost50]

By the way the note I got about Daveas suggested he was a beloved princess.

Why the freak would you announce that?

[Almost50]

Also if we are CL hunting then bingle isn't a priority.

I agree. I maintain it's DEB

[Almost50]

I'm vanillaized btw, didn't want to reveal yesterday to hope I could draw a NK

How? Do you know HOW you got vanillaized?

[Almost50]

So, we agree -at least- that Rauther, Bingle & Pone aren't the CL. If we take your word for it dave isn't either. Elements & ML are not it. You are not it and I'm not it either.

I dunno how you people missed this, but Ceph claimed to be the barkeeper, so if the bar was closed it likely means he was blocked (penfing confirmation), and the cult still gained another member so it's not Ceph,

EP didn't mention the PM he should have got from RCE (red herring) but it makes me more inclined to believe RCE isn't the CL (they would have organized it better if he was)

PB is IC, BBM was vanillaized (red herring) so is not the CL too. KidAmn is confirmed JK (by virtue of having blocked Elements twice), and EP did shoot PK so his role is semi-confirmed (I dunno if he has more to it and I don't care).

That leaves me with DEB (unconfirmed role and top suspect from my PoV), UT (Cult Cop who -to my knowledge- didn't get a single guilty (correct me on this if my memory is cheating me, as I'm doing this from memory), and xefolf (Cult counter ism't something you can verify until the game is officially over)

Note that UT cleared xefolf, so the two are either both cult or both not cult (actually that should make xefolf more likely the CL than UT)

Sp, it's like DEB >> xefolf >> UT for me

[Almost50]

You know he's a claimed unjester, right? His wincon is literally: Get Shot.

And I'm keeping it like that for as long as we think the Town can still win, but id push comes to shove I can claim my flavour and turn into survivor too. In fact, if both Elements and ML leave the game and the Mafia are announced eradicated I could do it safely, so I am not too upset a Mafioso got shot instead.

Now I want to lynch the CL because it keeps the Town far ahead. If I thought the Cult were approaching to win I'd still probably turn myself into a Survivour in order to be able to win. (I know though that once I do that some schmuck is going to shoot me THEN).

[Almost50]

So I definitely hid behind A50. What happened?

You didn't die, and that definitely proves I am not group scum at the very least. But didn't you also claim you died if you his behind "non-town" or did I just imagine that?

[Almost50]

3 third party, 4 cult, 2(?) Scum.

9 > 8.

You may still count me as "town aligned" for now though. I want to win with Town (and besides not being aligned with Town makes it less likely Mafia/SK will try to shoot me, so I need to be helping the Town still for the time being).

That said, I think if the CL isn;t lynched today it's game over. We are 17 with 4 cults already. Let's say we lynch a cultist/Mafia (second best case scenario). That makes go into the night with 16 players, 3-4 of which are cult and at least 1 Mafia, plus a SK and their backup. 2 kills (SK & Mafia) and -again- assuming the best we lose another townie. Let's say the other one is a cultist. Tomorrow we are 14 with 4-5 cults and a Mafioso + SK + ML. We already lose majority even with me siding by the Town. Worse; with another lynch (let's say it's the CL tomorrow), we go into the night as 13 with at least 3 cultists and at least 1 Mafia (let's call this 3.5 & 1.5 totaling 5) + SK & ML. Anot5her 2 kills = 11 players alive, and the best case scenario is for the kills to fall on a/the Mafioso and a cultist. We start the day with 11; 2.5 of which are cult and 0.5 Mafia (I'll assume 0 Mafia and 3 cult for ease) + Sk + ML. We seem to have majority, but the fact is if we mislynch (2 days from now) we are down to 9 (because ML leaves the game) and then if Elements doesn't then a death at night brings us down to 8 with 3 cultists. If a Mafioso is still alive then it's 2 cultists and a Mafioso that's down to 7 alive, 2 of which are cult, 1 is Mafia, 1 is a SK, and it'd be hard for me to stay loyal to Town at that point too.

So, even if we assume an unlikely scenario that favours the Town; the Town still loses if one more cultist is added tonight.

Instead, lynch the CL today to get the cult down to 3 and can't grow. 2 kills tonight (and hopefully Elements will hunt for Mafia.. or maybe a cultist) and we can lynch Rauth tomorrow (if he's not Element's kill) and we still have a shot at winning this. The key is to stop the cult from growing any further and to count on ML leaving the game when we are down to 10 to get us back on level grounds.

P.S. My vote is on DEV in spirit, obviously. I am just giving Bingle his way to sort things out.

[Almost50]

I already said I am town siding because I'd rather win with the Town, and since my chances of getting NK'd are diminished I suppose I'll be forced to turn into a Survivor, so I need the time to do it after Elements supposedly leaves. Mafia should not be a threat to me either because they want to shoot cult and Town more and can win with a Survivor, so they won't be wasting their shot on me either way.

So, yeah. You can count on me town siding all the way here, until it becomes obvious the Town can't win.

[Almost50]

Unless Pine is scum or the scums kill target, they're presumably not CL but could still be CL.

I'm sorry, but I just woke up and I'm having a hard time parsing this phrase. Unless X is true, then Y is also not true. Doesn't that mean if X is true then Y could be true? In other words, if Pine is Scum he is .. what? Likely to be the CL??

Yeah, I know it's silly, but I don't see what one has to do with the other. You say you Jailed Pine, and the cult still gained a member, so he's not the CL. Wouldn't that make more sense?

[Almost50]

How the fuck you guys think DEB is the cult leader for fucks sake he wouldn't be the main wagon at this point if he has his recruits to derail the wagon or not even be part of it aghggggghghghg

Why would they derail the wagon and draw attention to themselves when we have 2 (possibly 3, depending on gobble's previous doubtful claim of being a Vig) running around shooting for the cultists?

Also, did you forget this?

@MOD: What does Cult mean to you?
Cult is an anti-town faction that grows nearer to its win condition simply by expanding night after night.

Sometimes even after the original cult leader dies

. ((See Mainstream Mafia I))

Now if that's the case in here they lose absolutely nothing by sacrificing the original CL. do they? They're already far ahead and can afford to play defence for the rest of the game.

[Almost50]

We have a uni backup in the game, so I doubt the leader being lynched kills the cultists.

Inte-bloody-resting! This also lines up with the mod's declaration that a Cult (in general) may still grow AFTER the original CL has died.

[Almost50]

I mistyped. Literally the next post I corrected myself to "could still be cultrecruit". Are you actually even reading the game?

Yes, and here's where I'm at:

Ceph was recruited last night. THAT is what the bar closed for.
The Cult are lynching their Leader (DEB) so that Ceph can takeover.
Bingle and Pine are both culted, and they want UT gone so bad because he's the CULT COP. (Notice how Bingle out him the shooting pool regardless of DEB's flip?)
UT & xofelf are both still Town (xofelf is in Bingle' shoot pool if DEB flips CL. which he will)
PB us an awful IC for the push against Rauth and for trying to lynch UT over DEB (I think!).
Rauth is confirmed Mafia but we still need him for another night if my calculations are correct (Bungle says 5 cults, so either one hidden cultist that can't be targeted -maybe Ascetic??- or they are counting on Pine's motivator to get Ceph 2-shots tonight)
In short, we still need the Mafia AND the SK to side by us both day and Night before we all turn on each other. With the SK leaving the game (if what ML said is true) our only firepower at night would be through the Mafia. When we get the cult down to -say- 1 member (say in 8 alive) we can afford to lynch Rauth and see if he is indeed the last Mafia. If he is then we have just one cultist to lynch and win (and at that point I will officially switch to a Survivour). If he isn't then the remaining Mafia member will have to kill again at night (because most players alive will be confirmed, so they'd need the extra kill at night to have any chance if winning this) and -again- they could hit the remaining cultist for us so we need to only find that extra Mafia member if exists.

Thank you very much for your care and attention.

VOTE: DEB

[Almost50]

@Gobble: Do you see anything wrong in the above post?
@UT: If DEB flips CL, could you check Pine, perhaps?
@Rauth: Ceph would be a perfect shot if DEB is the CL., I fully agree.
@Elements: Care to shoot Bingle if DEB flips CL? (and whatever you do, so NOT shoot UT)

@Everyone else: I am open to questions (about the game I haven't been reading. Duh!)

[Almost50]

We should be lynching DEB, Shooting UT and one more. One more is kinda iffy to me, but I think the best arguments are for A50 and xof.

"We Lynch the original CL and bury all the evidence by shooting both the Cult Cop and the Cult Counter, and have town think that the Cult can't grow now, so we sneak to an easy in." is how I read this.

[Almost50]

Xof underselling the number of cultists is totally a great cultxof play to keep the focus off of them early

And so is offing them both in one go after you throw DEB under the bus and dim all lights off your team for town to blindly shoot each other (so to speak)

[Almost50]

A50 dying is nice for A50, and tbh there's a part of me that doesn't believe he's an Unjester. I'm pretty solid that he's not CL though, so there is that.

I don't care what you believe or don't about me. I do believe you've been using me to draw away the night shots off your team though.

[Almost50]

A50 do you seriously believe that I’m not a vig...

I have no idea, and frankly I don't really care, but if you are, you could have shot Rauth yourself instead of asking Elements to do it for you (it'd still be wrong play for town, but I'm trying to see it your way)

[Almost50]

UT is town

Don’t know where he is but at least he was town earlier might be culted now

he still is. that's why the Cult team is gunning so hard for his head.

[Almost50]

have u tried reading the game

No. Why should I? It's always fun to wait for inspiration to hit. Until then it's also fun to speak out of my arse.

[Almost50]

UT is crazy high cult equity because he's a claimed cult cop, and he's in the kill pool regardless of flip because he's spent the entire day phase not claiming a result, and thus isn't town.

With all due respect; this makes no sense at all. If he is cult (Leader or not) he knows who is Cult, so can give a result anytime he wants to. Hell, if the Cult decided to bus DEB he could have claimed a guilty there already.

[Almost50]

Ceph was recruited last night. THAT is what the bar closed for.

The bar was closed "again."

As previously stated, this is because I have taken a role and am now leaving at night to use my role.

i have also done something at least somewhat provable, but i'd like to continue to not claim instead.

OK. Nice to be in the know.

[Almost50]

UT has failed repeatedly to out his target last night.

UT is compromised.

Agree/Disagree

I would agree if I didn't suspect you, and I cannot "not suspect you" because I know as well as you do you are a prime recruit target for any sane player. OK, DEB may nit be exactly sane (no offense) but "someone" is his group must be. If I was sure you're Town I'd be sheeping you blindly at this point, because that's when your play becomes really strong 9with all the info and the content posted). Unfortunately, we are -again- in that situation where A50 sees through Bingle but the rest of the Town sides by Bingle (and then blame it on A50 when they do lose to Bingle, mind you)

[Almost50]

still not reading the thread huh

that's too bad

Yeah.. just waiting for you to scumslip and then go AWOL

[Almost50]

A50, why does town UT not claim a result after it's been asked of him?

The question is why would THAT make him a higher cult equity? I already explained that -as a member of the cult- he has the liberty to actually give accurate results as he please, so why refrain from doing so (i.e. why put himself in the center of the lightspot?)

[Almost50]

Oh! An extra kill is good here I guess (especially since this one is the one we think is totally town-motivated/controlled)

[Almost50]

*That was at EP's declaration

[Almost50]

Not sure if I already voted him, but it won't hurt to reassert it

VOTE: DEB

[Almost50]

I guess Raur can kill almost50 or ML ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Why the fuck would you want to waste a shot on ML when they leave the game soon anyway???? That borders on being mean for the sake of being mean.

[Almost50]

There are two cult now.

Ceph is probably off the hook then. My own tip suspects are Pine >> Bingle, but I also am not sure if we should lynch Cult or Mafia today, so I will follow the pack.

[Almost50]

I didn’t get culted. Why would I turbo lynch Deb.

This argument is negated by the fact BBm was the first vote on DEB's wagon!

[Almost50]

I got another message from RC btw. It's about Cayden Cailean + generally says he's trustworthy.

So, you are saying Pine is NOT cult? OK, cool.

P.S. No idea what the "Bugbear" is, but I promise you my role PM does not have that term anywhere on it. I've just double-ckecked.

[Almost50]

Like if there are 3 more mafia this town might actually be boned but the margin of error was ever so slightly increased by mafia shooting bb last night and not another townie lUL
Bad mafia is bad

Why are you so upset about it though? Like, from a Town PoV that was a GOOD kill regardless, and it would have been enough to point out how bad it is for Mafia ONCE! This looks like you signalling to the Mafia to stop hunting for Cult.

Also, why are you voting me when there's a self-claimed Mafioso, if your goal was to lynch Mafia?
Also, also, how the freak does your "lynch A50 > Rauth > gobble before we hit 10 alive" even work when we are 15 NOW?

[Almost50]

I think the lynches go almost or Bingle first, then whatever remains of Almost or Bingle, then Raur

And now you've switched yourself with Bingle too. Does "before we hit 10 alive" still apply???

[Almost50]

If cult still have a way to gain a member why did the number go down with Bb’s death and DEB’s death unless you think Xofelf is also cult

I know of at least two reasons here:

1- They could have tried culting me if they didn't believe I was 3P
2- The new CL could have been jailed. KA has just announced his action was probably randomized.

I'm sure there are more valid explanations, but I am not going to dwell on the subject for long.

Actually, the way you have been posting today + EP's analysis make me want to vote you to get down to the bottom of this. You certainly do not have the Town's best interest on your mind.

VOTE: gobble

[Almost50]

And how would you know the number went down? Xofelf hasn't revealed the number yet.

Oh, yes she did.

[Almost50]

You’re literally so scum Raur you’re not even reading.

I mean, he already claimed he was, so...

[Almost50]

I have difficulty thinking of a reason not to lynch the confirmed scum today.

Someone's still got a brain in this game.

[Almost50]

Highly sus of any vanillaized people. Given BB's flip, we should assume vanilla = cult. KA missing the night action for holidays is believable, but I'm going to assume he's cult of he misses any more.

that is the main reason why I am sus of Pine, tbh. His motivation didn't go through for at least 2 nights now. Yes?

[Almost50]

Guys, I'm going to claim and turn into a Survivor, mainly for fear the game maybe over by tomorrow, but also because I want to help the town with an extra kill (Elements can shoot Bingle).

I am

Sabina Merrin

, a former bodyguard and lover of an evil queen, but I turned on her when I discovered she was evil.

I dunno why exactly the mod decided to make me 3P rather than -say- Town aligned BG, but I'm guessing it had to do with the balance (one more slot that can't be culted?). and also -maybe- because I have no real "master" since I turned against the queen.

So, I am

officially a survivor

now. I can win with ANY of the existing factions, but I think the town is close enough to a win by now you don't need to worry about my loyalty.

[Almost50]

Sorry A50, but that sounds like bullshit

That's all I've got. I am always available for the lynch/Vig later on if the game isn't over by the time we lynched Rauth/Bingle/the 2 cults (or if 1 cult/Mafia is remaining by your math)

[Almost50]

Confirming that chk didn’t mod error, but this looks like either KA or Ceph scum fmpov.

KA are you an alien or a regular jk?

Explain. I had thought Ceph might have been culted before, but BBm's flip made me reconsider, and I don't think Cult!Ceph ever fakes a block that he didn't submit either.

[Almost50]

Who have you been targeting? And why did you not target BBmolla last night just to take the NK win like you’ve been claiming?

two bodyguards?

Guys, please reread my claim. BG is my FLAVOR. It's a description of the character I am, but it is NOT my role. My role was "Martyr" (required to die by A NIGHT KILL to win). That was BEFORE I claimed my flavor. Now I am a SURVIVOR. I was never a Bodyguard BY ROLE. Just by flavour.

[Almost50]

A50 it never occurred to you to claim something that would actually get you NK'd, like an investigative or protective?

I thought Investigative may actually draw protection my way, and eventually lead to my lynch when I fail to produce results, and that Protective would lead to my lynch when I'm supposed to protect someone (or they're the obvious protection target) and they die. The problem was to get myself NK'd without risking being the target of the LYNCH.

[Almost50]

Also, it's worth noting that if you're telling the truth, A50, 12012 might have lost you the game single handedly, because I can't see a way to guarantee you never get lynched as I can't trust you fully. The game can't end tonight, (we still have two cultitsts) so you would have been safe waiting til tomorrow.

It is because of that, and the fact that you seem to have been undermining all attempts to let you win via vig, that I pretty much fully agree with Pine's analysis of your claim.

1- What would have been my alternative if we lynched Rauth and then Elements shot a cultist, then you guys decided to lynch the other one tomorrow? Where would my bold wincon fit then? Because I don't think you were going to go "WAIT! Let's not lynch the last cultist so that A50 can win with us", would you? I confess I miscounted the living players though. I thought there were only 13 alive, so Elements (& ML) leaving the game would probably mean no more killing roles.

2- How have I been undermining my win via the Vig exactly? I think you did it the night before last 9when you included Gamma as a target whether or not the lynchee flipped CL) and then someone/something stopped Elements shot on me last night (probably because they realized they need more lynches lines up to have a shot at winning this). I had nothing to do with either of those, so how is it my fault?

[Almost50]

Best I can say is don't lynch A50 before cultists if we're not having people get nightkilled.

And that is ALL I ask.

[Almost50]

That would be a waste of a lynch though if you believe ML's claim.

Also, according to ML they become the SK if Elelemnts is lynched, so it really does look like a waste of a lynch to me.

[Almost50]

A50 showed as inconclusive to my SK check.

WHAT?

@KidAmn/Ceph: If either of you targeted Bingle last night, please claim it now.

[Almost50]

Bingle- scum

With that result I can't argue against this read, but I really am hoping he really got blocked.

[Almost50]

P.S. If Bingle is Scum there is very likely another living scum too. I don't see Bingle faking a result to get me lynched NOW without there being another Scum who is sitting well comfortably on everyone's readlist.

[Almost50]

if there's mafia beyond bingle, it's probably dave

I don't follow. Dave was cleared by gobble, so if anything he's more likely cult. Can you help me see this?

[Almost50]

I'm still standing

Yeah yeah yeah

Sir Elton Hercules John, is that YOU?

[Almost50]

I tracked UT going nowhere last night and I think the man finding who he was looking for was me. UT is probably cult

?? Where did you pick up this tracker ability????