Serious question - do you feel my vote on you is bad? If so - why?In post 7738, Titus wrote:I largely get this. I haven't done larger, meta analysis I am known for. That's fair. In fact, I feel yours is one of the few decent votes on me. I still hope that you'll see the gears starting to move now.In post 7732, xofelf wrote:Like am I okay to lynch this? Yes. Is it my preference? Not really. I am sorry you're going through a bunch of stuff and maybe that is why you come across vastly different than my townTitus experiences with you(I think that's all i've had so far??? idkkk) but, something feels off with you that I don't believe is just that. Maybe you claim and I understand why you feel off, but yeah idk. You aren't my top uncomfy player slot, just the one that I think could in fact be lynched today in the deadline we got.
However, I won't claim to correct you. Claiming here is stupid.
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I have done analysis of the people who jumped on, but all analysis is pretty useless until a flip, so I’m interested in the flip first.In post 7740, Titus wrote:
First, it's been predicated on a large pool guilty you outed early.In post 7739, Amrun wrote:
Serious question - do you feel my vote on you is bad? If so - why?In post 7738, Titus wrote:
I largely get this. I haven't done larger, meta analysis I am known for. That's fair. In fact, I feel yours is one of the few decent votes on me. I still hope that you'll see the gears starting to move now.In post 7732, xofelf wrote:Like am I okay to lynch this? Yes. Is it my preference? Not really. I am sorry you're going through a bunch of stuff and maybe that is why you come across vastly different than my townTitus experiences with you(I think that's all i've had so far??? idkkk) but, something feels off with you that I don't believe is just that. Maybe you claim and I understand why you feel off, but yeah idk. You aren't my top uncomfy player slot, just the one that I think could in fact be lynched today in the deadline we got.
However, I won't claim to correct you. Claiming here is stupid.
Second, you've done zero analysis on the people who did jump on.
Third, you've largely only talked about me when I have been here.
I have asked you to do these things and got crickets.
I can draw a few theories of partnerships between you TSE Vork and The Fonz from it. I don't have enough to substantiate it though.
I don’t find it very fruitful to talk about you when you’re NOT here. That comment confuses me.
I think any theory about me partnering with TSE is absolute crazy talk. I do not understand how anyone could think that in any capacity, just being totally honest here. I think that’s either a scummy thing to say, but more likely just an indication of being out of touch with gamestate.
What do you mean you’ve asked me to do these things and gotten crickets, also? The only thing you’re actually asking here is to do analysis of people joining your wagon. The problem is that wagon analysis on an unflipped player is bizarre and useless.-
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Wait what?In post 7757, Titus wrote:
Oh look another excuse on why TSE can't shoot scumIn post 7754, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
I can only Execute the top wagon.In post 7751, EspressoPatronum wrote:Not necessarily, imo.
Not claiming here is good if Vork gets lynched, but TSE could complicate things for you. If he gets back and decides to execute you over Vork, you'll have missed the opportunity to claim + possibly save yourself.
When the top wagon because Titus I’ll Instantly execute.
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That’s not how my role works. I know it’s confusing but I’m purposefully not outing exactly how it works.In post 7755, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Because being confirmed to be able to kill is not a fucking guiltyIn post 7750, Iconeum wrote:
wasn't there confirmed shooting power in this list?In post 7746, Titus wrote:
Ftr here is the listIn post 5436, Amrun wrote:{The Fonz, Untrod Tripod, Pine, Virgo the Immaculate (Titus), gobbledygook, Pink Ball
why are we lynching outside of this?
Go see Friends and Corpses for a harrowing lesson in that
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It might flip majority town.In post 7765, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Okaaay theeeenIn post 7763, Amrun wrote:
That’s not how my role works. I know it’s confusing but I’m purposefully not outing exactly how it works.In post 7755, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Because being confirmed to be able to kill is not a fucking guiltyIn post 7750, Iconeum wrote:
wasn't there confirmed shooting power in this list?In post 7746, Titus wrote:
Ftr here is the listIn post 5436, Amrun wrote:{The Fonz, Untrod Tripod, Pine, Virgo the Immaculate (Titus), gobbledygook, Pink Ball
why are we lynching outside of this?
Go see Friends and Corpses for a harrowing lesson in that
The person on the list is almost definitely scum. There is a chance not scum. But not high I think.
I’ll probably revisit this later, with some firepower if your list flips majority town
1 person on the list is the culprit.
The other 5 are literally random.
It is certainly not a smoking gun, but definitely info I didn’t want to die without imparting. And I didn’t think I could get a Virgo/Titus wagon rolling without it.
P-edit: what??
I don’t scumread her for THAT post. That is nonsensical. I started her wagon and have pushed it all day for entirely unrelated reasons.
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For a kill that landed on town and flavor wise was almost definitely the mafia kill.In post 7773, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Okay? Culprit for what?In post 7770, Amrun wrote:
It might flip majority town.In post 7765, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Okaaay theeeenIn post 7763, Amrun wrote:
That’s not how my role works. I know it’s confusing but I’m purposefully not outing exactly how it works.In post 7755, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Because being confirmed to be able to kill is not a fucking guiltyIn post 7750, Iconeum wrote:
wasn't there confirmed shooting power in this list?In post 7746, Titus wrote:
Ftr here is the listIn post 5436, Amrun wrote:{The Fonz, Untrod Tripod, Pine, Virgo the Immaculate (Titus), gobbledygook, Pink Ball
why are we lynching outside of this?
Go see Friends and Corpses for a harrowing lesson in that
The person on the list is almost definitely scum. There is a chance not scum. But not high I think.
I’ll probably revisit this later, with some firepower if your list flips majority town
1 person on the list is the culprit.
The other 5 are literally random.
It is certainly not a smoking gun, but definitely info I didn’t want to die without imparting. And I didn’t think I could get a Virgo/Titus wagon rolling without it.
P-edit: what??
I don’t scumread her for THAT post. That is nonsensical. I started her wagon and have pushed it all day for entirely unrelated reasons.
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In post 7750, Iconeum wrote:
wasn't there confirmed shooting power in this list?In post 7746, Titus wrote:
Ftr here is the listIn post 5436, Amrun wrote:{The Fonz, Untrod Tripod, Pine, Virgo the Immaculate (Titus), gobbledygook, Pink Ball
why are we lynching outside of this?
Logical progression herpaderpIn post 7767, Iconeum wrote:
i don't think i've liked more then a handfull of posts from Amrun and I'd lynch here in a heartbeatIn post 7761, Amrun wrote:
Wait what?In post 7757, Titus wrote:
Oh look another excuse on why TSE can't shoot scumIn post 7754, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
I can only Execute the top wagon.In post 7751, EspressoPatronum wrote:Not necessarily, imo.
Not claiming here is good if Vork gets lynched, but TSE could complicate things for you. If he gets back and decides to execute you over Vork, you'll have missed the opportunity to claim + possibly save yourself.
When the top wagon because Titus I’ll Instantly execute.
Like I doubt this is AI, but you literally just called yourself scum.
now you are saying something's not AI but you scumread it anyway
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UT. What’s your read on me?In post 7772, Untrod Tripod wrote:It's not happening dude. Vote a major wagon.-
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No, I don’t. It’s just one of those six.In post 7779, davesaz wrote:Amrun you are seeming to say you know which player on the list it is.
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Exactly my point. I’ve been your scumread from day 1. Why would you magically come back into the game after lurking just to say “why aren’t we lynching out of this list of my #1 scumread” and then immediately vote outside the list. It makes absolutely no sense.In post 7784, Iconeum wrote:it's your friggin list-
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In post 7768, Gamma Emerald wrote:That’s not it chief.In post 7769, Miss Lane wrote:
That's not what she said.In post 7767, Iconeum wrote:i don't think i've liked more then a handfull of posts from Amrun and I'd lynch here in a heartbeat
now you are saying something's not AI but you scumread it anyway
Three posts ina ROW calling you out for misrepping me, my dude. You are not trying to sort. No way.In post 7770, Amrun wrote:
It might flip majority town.In post 7765, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Okaaay theeeenIn post 7763, Amrun wrote:
That’s not how my role works. I know it’s confusing but I’m purposefully not outing exactly how it works.In post 7755, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Because being confirmed to be able to kill is not a fucking guiltyIn post 7750, Iconeum wrote:
wasn't there confirmed shooting power in this list?In post 7746, Titus wrote:
Ftr here is the listIn post 5436, Amrun wrote:{The Fonz, Untrod Tripod, Pine, Virgo the Immaculate (Titus), gobbledygook, Pink Ball
why are we lynching outside of this?
Go see Friends and Corpses for a harrowing lesson in that
The person on the list is almost definitely scum. There is a chance not scum. But not high I think.
I’ll probably revisit this later, with some firepower if your list flips majority town
1 person on the list is the culprit.
The other 5 are literally random.
It is certainly not a smoking gun, but definitely info I didn’t want to die without imparting. And I didn’t think I could get a Virgo/Titus wagon rolling without it.
P-edit: what??
I don’t scumread her for THAT post. That is nonsensical. I started her wagon and have pushed it all day for entirely unrelated reasons.
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You just got publicly prodded, so I disagree about you lurking.In post 7792, Iconeum wrote:
i've not been lurking this gameIn post 7787, Amrun wrote:
Exactly my point. I’ve been your scumread from day 1. Why would you magically come back into the game after lurking just to say “why aren’t we lynching out of this list of my #1 scumread” and then immediately vote outside the list. It makes absolutely no sense.In post 7784, Iconeum wrote:it's your friggin list
i've stated that we should be lynching inside your list, as that would be optimal play
because either everyone believes ur town, and they should follow a PR
or we believe ur scum and we lynch you
neither is happening and that's wrong
I agree with you about optimal play, but your thought progression was absolutely all over the place and seemed very ingenuine to me.
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Iconeum- if you want to lynch in my list, why are you not wanting to lynch Titus?
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Ingenuine thought processes most often come from scum. Please answer my question.In post 7807, Iconeum wrote:
well think about what allignment being all over the place like that is most likely to come from for a minute lolIn post 7800, Amrun wrote:I agree with you about optimal play, but your thought progression was absolutely all over the place and seemed very ingenuine to me.-
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In post 7789, Iconeum wrote:
i'm not trying to start a wagon on amrun, i don't have the power to do thatIn post 7777, Miss Lane wrote:Also trying to start a new wagon at <48 hours left.
i'm putting out here that amrun is scum and that's it
i'm not comfortable voting titus right nowand i've yet to see the reason for vorkuta wagon
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What?! What are you even saying?In post 7813, Iconeum wrote:
i believe the slot i was voting for got replaced by Titus, around the time my weekend VLA started IIRCIn post 7812, Amrun wrote:In post 7789, Iconeum wrote:
i'm not trying to start a wagon on amrun, i don't have the power to do thatIn post 7777, Miss Lane wrote:Also trying to start a new wagon at <48 hours left.
i'm putting out here that amrun is scum and that's it
i'm not comfortable voting titus right nowand i've yet to see the reason for vorkuta wagon
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In post 7816, Iconeum wrote:
yeah thisIn post 7814, Nero Cain wrote:I'm v confused. You were voting Virgo, Titus subs in on her main and then you didn't want to lynch Titus?
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Step A. Suggest lynching down list of Amrun’s resultsIn post 7818, Iconeum wrote:why not
Step B. Unvote said resultee to vote nonviable wagon or Amrun at nth hour
Step c. ???? Profit.
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Step D.
Ignore entirely and vote competing wagon to self espoused optimal play
P-edit: It’s a meme, iconeum. My point is it’s the most nonsensical, cognitive dissonance-filled play you could make, and you have offered ZERO explanation for it.-
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Iconeum. Why are you, by your own admission, playing suboptimally?-
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Did Titus’ replace in change your opinion of the slot? If so, how?
P-edit: why wouldn’t you want to flip the person on my list with a viable wagon right now, then? That’s my whole point.-
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No, you stated your idea of optimal play, which was either a) lynch me, or b) lynch off my list.In post 7831, Iconeum wrote:
I think you see it as SubOptimal. I obviously don't. My thoughts on the matter are pretty clear.In post 7828, Amrun wrote:Iconeum. Why are you, by your own admission, playing suboptimally?
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When did your opinion on this change?In post 7834, Iconeum wrote:I don't think it's the right call to lynch off the list, TODAY.
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Which post?In post 7837, Iconeum wrote:
around the time i made that postIn post 7836, Amrun wrote:
When did your opinion on this change?In post 7834, Iconeum wrote:I don't think it's the right call to lynch off the list, TODAY.
However once that list shortens due to NK's, we'll be able to do so usefully.
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One of them, yes.In post 7844, Iconeum wrote:wasn't vorkuta the one actively trying to get the governor as well?
Don’t think so, if your join date is accurate. Before this game I hadn’t played in about 6 years.In post 7843, Iconeum wrote:Amrun have we played together before?
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It honestly doesn’t make sense to me from a human being, but it makes relatively more sense from scum Icon because scum don’t have to stay internally consistent because they’re not scum hunting.In post 7846, Iconeum wrote:doesn't it make sense from town!Icon, scum!Icon or both?-
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In post 7849, Iconeum wrote:
Huh. Do you realize town are a lot more free to spew thoughts then scum, and that scum are a LOT more worried about telling a consistent story then town?In post 7848, Amrun wrote:
It honestly doesn’t make sense to me from a human being, but it makes relatively more sense from scum Icon because scum don’t have to stay internally consistent because they’re not scum hunting.In post 7846, Iconeum wrote:doesn't it make sense from town!Icon, scum!Icon or both?
Yes, it’s true that town is less appearance driven.
However, you didn’t seem particularly cognizant that you were being inconsistent at all, so that, in and of itself, is kind of null. That only works when the player is aware what they are doing is dissonant with what they are saying, and you didn’t display that awareness.
When it comes down to it, a disconnect between words and actions most often comes from scum.
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“Shoot” is generic mafia term for kill.In post 7852, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
I don’t shoot.In post 7756, Titus wrote:@TSE, Why is Vork town?
Why haven't you shot me or one of the other wagons in range throughout the day?
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Enter/Miss Lynch has been the biggest pusher of Titus besides myself. What?!In post 7854, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:All Vork Lynch is doing is losing a town.
It solves absolutely nothing.
It gains absolutely nothing.
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This is a huge misrep.
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I want to revisit this.In post 7832, Iconeum wrote:
Yes. It started playing.In post 7830, Amrun wrote:Did Titus’ replace in change your opinion of the slot? If so, how?
P-edit: why wouldn’t you want to flip the person on my list with a viable wagon right now, then? That’s my whole point.
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There appears to be vote shenanigans.In post 7889, zoraster wrote:Uh. Why am I voting vork? I've never voted vork in this game and my last voting action was to unvote Elements.
VOTE: Titus-
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Who would be the best lynch IMO (not that I want you to change your vote)In post 7904, The Fonz wrote:
It was announced. Look, Titus is not the best lynch, but shhe's the best lynch available imho. Not a lot of love for what is basically "Lol I'm seeing associatives with Fonz and his town reads." I didn't like the TSE push, I don't like her claiming that TSE claiming that his execute ability kills the leading wagon is somehow something new he just made up rather than how he's been claiming it works all along.In post 7899, Nero Cain wrote:I'm not even sure when Vork went v/la. Kinda annoying that it wasn't announced or maybe it was and I missed it.-
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As in A50?In post 7906, The Fonz wrote:Almost.-
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Have you cased/explained this and I missed it? I don’t want to distract but I am curious.
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Roger.In post 7925, The Fonz wrote:
No. I'm very keen not to distract from the viable wagons by starting convos about others unless I think they're lock scum. I was in two minds about even naming another suspect. I tend to think that talking about people who aren't going to be lynched just helps scum plan ahead. I actually think LOATPs (lists of all the players) are antitown.In post 7909, Amrun wrote:Have you cased/explained this and I missed it? I don’t want to distract but I am curious.
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No gobble plz, stick with Titus
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Pink Ball: can you kill? If you are protown in any capacity you will answer this correctly.-
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Someone of your choosing, or someone in particular?In post 7936, Pink Ball wrote:No, I can't kill. I can make someone disappear from this realm, but its not considered killing and its a 3p. Its not Miss Lynch sadly
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BBmolla flavor copped him. Not that I necessarily think that proves anything about his role itself.In post 7955, Menalque wrote:Where is your flavour confirmed?-
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I’m upset the day ended so quickly.
As it turned out, my list that day and today included Korina and is therefore useless, so it didn’t really matter that you didn’t let me post, but it still pissed me off.
That Titus flip was soooo nice though. So satisfying. Korina too to a lesser degree.
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Death tunnel!In post 8460, Untrod Tripod wrote:
reupping this postIn post 8260, Untrod Tripod wrote:
hey this is a fun post that tried to derail the Titus wagonIn post 5650, Donempire wrote:I really dont know why we flipped from TSE to Virgin, we had a good wagon going and i see no reason why we shouldnt go back
Granted i didnt read the game so if you had a good reason, tough luck, we're going back to TSE
anyone have information they want to share about Mr Dong or can I go ahead and start deathtunneling the slot
VOTE: whoever is in dongempire slot, I forget-
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Yes. Makes sense with my role. It’s like a night behind, basically. Hard to explain without being explicit.In post 8450, Cephrir wrote:@Amrun your list last night included a dead player?-
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Fwiw Flavor Leaf was supremely unaware of everything going on with Titus wagon. Didn’t even know how it started (me) and thought I was a late joiner because I hopped off to PL TSE and then back on. I kinda feel like mafia would be more aware of that situation.
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In fact I could see him culling Mena N1 ez-
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*cultingIn post 8470, Amrun wrote:In fact I could see him culling Mena N1 ez-
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BTW, Zor could be groupscum. Or not. I’m confused.
He was also on both my new lists, but more importantly, I’m kinda confused by the inside job thing. Theoretically they were town when that happened, but why was the lie detector tipped off then? :/
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I don’t know how this relates to role, though. I did forget about that, but remember now.In post 8475, BBmolla wrote:Flavor is confirmed to be Bobert the drunk, an outsider who is stuck here because of the lockdown
Just so y’all know
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@Rauth: it does seem to make zor not groupscum, though.
@UT: what is wrong with the perfectly good dongempire wagon? Though kidamn is fine too. Hang em both.-
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I am either Runelord-aligned or a Cult Recruiter.In post 8490, Cephrir wrote:I am either Runelord-aligned or a Cult Recruiter.-
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Yes but it’ll take me a minute cuz phone posting from work.In post 8509, gobbledygook wrote:Amrun, could you post all the lists that you have been given, even if you think they are are redundant?
Night 1: The Fonz, Untrod Tripod, Pine, Virgo the Immaculate, gobbledygook, Pink Ball-
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Night 2 : Korina, EspressoPatronum, zoraster, TrueSoulEnergy, Wooper, Untrod Tripod-
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No, that’s not how my role works. I control it.
Night 3: Flavor Leaf, EspressoPatronum, Korina, zoraster, BBmolla, Pine
The fact of it is that it’s one true culprit and six random names. Korina’s presence, whether it’s one of the random ones or not, muddies the waters to make these lists useless.-
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Ok at this point I’ll full claim since we are dancing around it.
I’m basically a forensic investigator. I investigate bodies and find out who killed it, along with 5 other random names.
Night 1 I inves chkflp and got my night 1 results. I just discovered I could do this with probing mod questions. I could have investigated coldheartedking but I thought chkflp’s flavor was more likely to be killed by groupscum.
Night 2 I inves Formerfish for the same reason.
Night 3 I flipped back and forth between Vorkuta and Menalque but ended up inves Vorkuta. I was worried I would get Korina and I did. Bad choice I guess. :/
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