Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean, I do think Vork is scumbut if we can't lynch him b/c he's not around we could all just lynch

Wooper

.

Idk the reasons for this but I do recall hearing a fair amount of support for this, so talk me through it

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh its just lurking. Wooper is the worst so he's around just not playing here and hasn't scumhunted. I mean he did call me scum after I called him scum but thats all.

Yeah I could back this

There are many lurkers I would rather lynch than Wooper. Korina, for example.

This too maybe

VOTE: Wooper

Also @Cephrir I can’t believe you are saying that, you make ME sound like Titus

[Gamma Emerald]

How do you unironically call Titus a scum driven lynch then look at 13 votes on vorkuta for no reason at all and say yeah that's the wagon for me

I don’t recall Vork getting wave after wave of being pushed, which is what I’ve noticed on Titus. It tells me that the push on her isn’t genuine. I think there’s a slim chance Titus can still be scum but I’m certain scum are pushing her.

Have you read every page of this game?

No and I’m not going to
But I think I’ve seen enough to lend credence to my beliefs. Now if you actually want to provide real evidence to the contrary be my guest.

[Gamma Emerald]

Since I expect the answer from Gamma is gonna be "no" followed by some excuse for his vague circumstantial defense along the lines of "I get the gist of the game" I'd really like you to point me to the wave after wave of Titus getting pushed, because as one of the players actively pushing Titus, I can tell you that unless something happened between the pages, the feeling that Titus is getting wave after wave of push is merely that: a feeling.

No, buzz off. You’re the one who’s read the game, so you should be more readily able to prove your stance. Therefore Burden of Proof is on you. Also, nice little pre-empt schnozz-rocket

[Gamma Emerald]

Since I expect the answer from Gamma is gonna be "no" followed by some excuse for his vague circumstantial defense along the lines of "I get the gist of the game" I'd really like you to point me to the wave after wave of Titus getting pushed, because as one of the players actively pushing Titus, I can tell you that unless something happened between the pages, the feeling that Titus is getting wave after wave of push is merely that: a feeling.

No, buzz off. You’re the one who’s read the game, so you should be more readily able to prove your stance. Therefore Burden of Proof is on you. Also, nice little pre-empt schnozz-rocket

[Gamma Emerald]

How do you unironically call Titus a scum driven lynch then look at 13 votes on vorkuta for no reason at all and say yeah that's the wagon for me

I don’t recall Vork getting wave after wave of being pushed, which is what I’ve noticed on Titus. It tells me that the push on her isn’t genuine. I think there’s a slim chance Titus can still be scum but I’m certain scum are pushing her.

Have you read every page of this game?

No and I’m not going to
But I think I’ve seen enough to lend credence to my beliefs. Now if you actually want to provide real evidence to the contrary be my guest.

Didn't think so. How about instead of excusing your crappy lack of reasoning for not wanting Titus voted and trying to get me to prove your argument for you, you recognize that the burden of proof is on your shoulders and you get off your butt and provide some?

In addition, since your argument seems to be that Titus is a scum pushed wagon and Amrun and I are the only two players really pushing Titus, you push one of us instead of one of those risk free lurker people who aren't gonna push back at all?

I’m not sure if you or Amrun is scum here. The fact Wooper is lurking despite having replaced into a game and being quite active there recently is rather scum indicative though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Since I expect the answer from Gamma is gonna be "no" followed by some excuse for his vague circumstantial defense along the lines of "I get the gist of the game" I'd really like you to point me to the wave after wave of Titus getting pushed, because as one of the players actively pushing Titus, I can tell you that unless something happened between the pages, the feeling that Titus is getting wave after wave of push is merely that: a feeling.

No, buzz off. You’re the one who’s read the game, so you should be more readily able to prove your stance. Therefore Burden of Proof is on you. Also, nice little pre-empt schnozz-rocket

Wait.

Let me get this straight.

Your argument is that since I'm more informed than you because I actually put some sort of effort in, that I should be able to prove your half-witted barely thought out claims for you? That's not how this works, that's not how it's ever worked.

And you calling me names doesn't make you look any better, either.

I have put effort into this game, but do you really think I’m going to dig through this encyclopedic sized game? No. I tried earlier because I contributed to the early swell but I am not culpable for the current state of affairs. So I’m going off of my current scope, and like, I’ve seen Titus be pushed several times despite not being present for everything. I feel like my ISO should verify that. So either show me how I’m wrong here, or stop shading me for trying to do my best with what I’ve got.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't know when it became acceptable to walk into a game thread, assert some out of the blue stupid notion based on how you

feel

and then start calling people names when they ask you to back it up in the slightest, or play like you believe what you say, but I'd really hope that it becomes unacceptable pretty darn soon.

This was mean and uncalled for. I'm sorry, I'll go take a break again. I apparently need to just do mafia in short bursts.

I do throw the first punch by calling you a name but I do still feel like I’m getting shot down on what seems logical with what I have seen throughout the game. Like yeah it’s moon logic, but it’s still LOGIC.
PEdit:
VOTE: Vork
w/e Wooper can happen tomorrow

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, I’d like to lynch Gamma. Tomorrow.

Today is for Titus.

P-edit: I think it wasn’t mean, just accurate. And warranted.

Maybe accurate but not warranted

[Gamma Emerald]

Meaning Nero, amrun, miss lynch (or townsiding bc 3p w/e), ceph

Umm why does my name not show up
Just because I joined the convo late doesn’t mean I’m not here

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s not what fake slip generally means :inigoThatWord:
And why is a typo scum indicating

[Gamma Emerald]

This is a fake slip - "m" isn't even really close to "o" on the keyboard.

but on dialpad cellphones the m and o are the same letter.


Only 90s kids will remember this.

I’m 19 and I’ve had 3 dial pad phones up to present
So uhhhhh

[Gamma Emerald]

god, get a smart phone like a normal person, pleb. get with the times

Posting on mine rn lmfao

Ok Gamma you remember dial pad phones so you are on the 90s council but we do not grant you the rank of 90s kid

Yeah I’m a 2000’s kid, I’ve watched the YouTube videos

[Gamma Emerald]

but for serious, youre kind of being obtuse tonight gams. y

Just because I’m obtuse doesn’t mean I’m not right
Yeah I might be being obtuse but I feel strongly about these things. I’m kinda on an upswing in my confidence in my towngame.

[Gamma Emerald]

also what is vorky? L-2?

We want tse to execute, right?

He could but from what I recall he prolly won’t

[Gamma Emerald]

also what is vorky? L-2?

We want tse to execute, right?

He could but from what I recall he prolly won’t

Why?

Last I recall TSE townread Vork

[Gamma Emerald]

Mena, If Icon's slot is nullscum why did you not want that lynched/vigged?

If you put on your detective hat and search the thread really hard I bet you can figure this one out!

What was that tell about others answering a question not directed at them?

Don’t think it counts because it wasn’t a serious answer

[Gamma Emerald]

Y’all are pretty much hopping down TSE’s throat for having reads
I mean I won’t stop you I guess but this feels like a hasty thought process

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think TSE’s been on when you’ve been prone

[Gamma Emerald]

why not execute titus tse?

I think this question is valid, like it definitely is coming down to those two so why aren’t you acting TSE

[Gamma Emerald]

From browsing TVTropes I think Orcus is more of a passive villain

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly TSE just needs to give answers period

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk do you think someone would sacrifice a person to themselves?

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean I poked the soft claim for another reason so I feel inclined to say you have something there

[Gamma Emerald]

Think so yeh
Why do you ask?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why Fonz

[Gamma Emerald]

{The Fonz, Untrod Tripod, Pine, Virgo the Immaculate (Titus), gobbledygook, Pink Ball

Ftr here is the list

wasn't there confirmed shooting power in this list?

why are we lynching outside of this?

Because being confirmed to be able to kill is not a fucking guilty
Go see Friends and Corpses for a harrowing lesson in that

[Gamma Emerald]

[...]
However, I won't claim to correct you. Claiming here is stupid.

Not necessarily, imo.

Not claiming here is good if Vork gets lynched, but TSE could complicate things for you. If he gets back and decides to execute you over Vork, you'll have missed the opportunity to claim + possibly save yourself.

I can only Execute the top wagon.
When the top wagon because Titus I’ll Instantly execute.

Why is this coming up now?

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean I had that thought but it could just be a rhetorical statement

[Gamma Emerald]

{The Fonz, Untrod Tripod, Pine, Virgo the Immaculate (Titus), gobbledygook, Pink Ball

Ftr here is the list

wasn't there confirmed shooting power in this list?

why are we lynching outside of this?

Because being confirmed to be able to kill is not a fucking guilty
Go see Friends and Corpses for a harrowing lesson in that

That’s not how my role works. I know it’s confusing but I’m purposefully not outing exactly how it works.

The person on the list is almost definitely scum. There is a chance not scum. But not high I think.

Okaaay theeeen
I’ll probably revisit this later, with some firepower if your list flips majority town

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s not it chief.

[Gamma Emerald]

{The Fonz, Untrod Tripod, Pine, Virgo the Immaculate (Titus), gobbledygook, Pink Ball

Ftr here is the list

wasn't there confirmed shooting power in this list?

why are we lynching outside of this?

Because being confirmed to be able to kill is not a fucking guilty
Go see Friends and Corpses for a harrowing lesson in that

That’s not how my role works. I know it’s confusing but I’m purposefully not outing exactly how it works.

The person on the list is almost definitely scum. There is a chance not scum. But not high I think.

Okaaay theeeen
I’ll probably revisit this later, with some firepower if your list flips majority town

It might flip majority town.

1 person on the list is the culprit.

The other 5 are literally random.

It is certainly not a smoking gun, but definitely info I didn’t want to die without imparting. And I didn’t think I could get a Virgo/Titus wagon rolling without it.

P-edit: what??

I don’t scumread her for THAT post. That is nonsensical. I started her wagon and have pushed it all day for entirely unrelated reasons.

Why do you want to lynch down my list if you scumread me anyway?

Okay? Culprit for what?

[Gamma Emerald]

Wanna lynch Icon /s

[Gamma Emerald]

it's your friggin list

Exactly my point. I’ve been your scumread from day 1. Why would you magically come back into the game after lurking just to say “why aren’t we lynching out of this list of my #1 scumread” and then immediately vote outside the list. It makes absolutely no sense.

i've not been lurking this game

i've stated that we should be lynching inside your list, as that would be optimal play

because either everyone believes ur town, and they should follow a PR
or we believe ur scum and we lynch you

neither is happening and that's wrong

Or you can be me and question the validity of the list but not think it makes Amrun scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm v confused. You were voting Virgo, Titus subs in on her main and then you didn't want to lynch Titus?

yeah this

God you’re denser than a neutron star
VIRGO AND TITUS ARE THE SAME PERSON, VIRGO IS A TITUS ALT

[Gamma Emerald]

All Vork Lynch is doing is losing a town.
It solves absolutely nothing.
It gains absolutely nothing.
A Titus lynch confirms Enter’s alignment to be Mafia if Titus Flips Mafia.

Okay. I’ll ask you this: what does a Titus townflip tell you?

[Gamma Emerald]

My stance on Vork may have lightened. IDK.

On one hand he's a decent town pr that is going to lurk and do nothing so he won't get nked

and on the other he's scum that's just coasting.

Wich is more likely?

I'm still not that sure if Titus is scum or not.

I don’t think a “decent town PR” EVER acts out like he did wrt his claim bits

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmm
Might scan Titus ISO
I think there’s a non zero chance she is the one screwing with votes, I recall her talking a big game about VCA

[Gamma Emerald]

So what now? UT is def town. We could just all sheep him.

I also like Ceph tho. Id buy a pint from you ceph.

Did I miss something, how is UT def town

[Gamma Emerald]

Hope you guys don’t mind if I coast this game out

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh is gobble playing now

[Gamma Emerald]

Incurring whatever penalty breaking my PR will bring, to say a few things.

A role targeted me pregame giving me a Post Restriction. I got to chose what it is. I chose to roleplay a turkey for fun. This is why I was suspicious of Korina’s silence.

We should not be killing TSE because the utility of his role is too useful. Unless we have multiple vigs or dayvigs to really start culling the herd, TSE’s execution ability makes this game somewhat manageable. Moreover, the basis currently being given for voting TSE is that he will not execute his scumbuddy Elements. In order to validate this basis, we should flip Elements first.

At any rate, we should not flip TSE until approximately 12 hours from now. Someone remind me in twelve hours to circle back to this point.

To Gamma, Korina, and especially FL, get over your scumreads on me because I am confirmed town by a friendly neighbor I sent to BBmolla. My alignment is confirmed by another player. Expend your energy elsewhere.

If we are not going to kill Elements, we should kill someone on Amrun’s list. My suggestion is Titus.

Hey I have a question: why the hell have I not seen any more people bring up being targeted by you? Seems like something you’d like to get the word out on.

[Gamma Emerald]

My wincondition allows me to win with Cobble.

Explain this NOW
And BBMolla needs to explain why he claimed a FN action from you STAT

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh wait that lacked context
Never mind.

[Gamma Emerald]

My wincondition allows me to win with Cobble.

... Couldn't you just use your Friendly Neighbor on me to get the same effect without me using my ability on you?

Since I lost the post restriction, I no longer have my friendly neighbor ability. It was a "bargain" I was given.

Mmm this sounds like some BS
You were given a post-restriction that ALSO gave you a FN?

[Gamma Emerald]

Chennisden you didn’t try in this bastard game

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=80959

Chennisden was scum this game

So after ISOing gobble I don’t trust him at all

[Gamma Emerald]

My wincondition allows me to win with Cobble.

... Couldn't you just use your Friendly Neighbor on me to get the same effect without me using my ability on you?

Since I lost the post restriction, I no longer have my friendly neighbor ability. It was a "bargain" I was given.

Mmm this sounds like some BS
You were given a post-restriction that ALSO gave you a FN?

No, my role is that I am a friendly neighbor. Someone targeted me with a post restriction power. The consequence for not abiding by the post restriction is I have lost my power. I figured that would be fine since I had already used my power successfully.

What are your opinions on like anyone else in the game?

And you kept the act up for so long why??? Also I still don’t buy the fact you lost your role like that.

[Gamma Emerald]

And also, gamma pointed out you said that your wincon is 'agreeable' or smt like that with town wincon. That implicates that you not only lost your role, but your Town Status as well.

Am I wrong with this assumption as well?

I stated I took that out of context
He was stating it for the Lie Detector

[Gamma Emerald]

I remember pisskop saying yesterday that he had gotten a brownie or something to that effect, but nobody commented on it much when it was said.

Also, I still don't feel great about Gamma, and yesterday I don't remembering being the only one, and he does seem to be here but is actively choosing to sit back today.

Yeah I’m choosing to sit back today, I tried to be up in the shit earlier and got straight up ignored
Once we have like 20 alive maybe I’ll be at the point where I can really get into things

[Gamma Emerald]

My win condition allows me to win with Cobble.

My win condition allows me to win with Cobble.

My wincondition allows me to win with Cobble.

This is what I actually said about my condition. I never said nor implied that I cannot win with Cobble or that my wincondition has changed at any point in the game. I literally said what two others said right before me. I copied their posts.

My condition has never changed this game.
I started this game as cobble aligned.
I am still cobbled aligned.
As of this post, I am cobble aligned.

I am not third party. I am not cult. I am not groupscum.

Mild over reaction but I do think Icon is hella reaching rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m vaguely supportive of AF Cyrus and Ico wagons. I need to organize notes and shit, but zor wagon is bad and I’ve explained why several times today.

Wanna vote Icon with me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Wow okay gl

[Gamma Emerald]

He’s exaggerating what I’ve said to push gobble

[Gamma Emerald]

What’s going on with the Wooper claim

[Gamma Emerald]

Nope, as I said if I were ascetic I would have claimed it first post. Fml pc BBM is confirmed blocked that night.

my motivated ability worked though

??

what happened exacrly?

I was motivated

you were my first target and my action failed

second action succeeded

Wot
Maybe you got hit by two roles that gave you like + and - 1 action but the minus one was shown as a block
Idk

[Gamma Emerald]

Wot

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Iconeum

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean...

I think he's probably lying. But he also said it kills him eventually and he's a cop, so... Let him kill himself?

This approach is probably good, but we don’t have a good timeline for when Rauth would die so that should be established at some point most likely

[Gamma Emerald]

I missed why we're wagoning Iconeum. can anyone give me the elevator pitch?

Well for me at least it’s his terrible attempts to push gobble

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean...

I think he's probably lying. But he also said it kills him eventually and he's a cop, so... Let him kill himself?

This approach is probably good, but we don’t have a good timeline for when Rauth would die so that should be established at some point most likely

Isnt rauth clear anyway?

Through what

[Gamma Emerald]

I like traitors. The current normalized version of traitor is pretty god awful though.

How tbh
And honestly I’d rather a traitor be endgamed than have to carry on as last scum, IF they don’t get to nightkill as final scum. Pisskop can tell you why, he LIVED that nightmare.

[Gamma Emerald]

I will leave you all to discuss this list of people I think are possible cult leader.

36. Almost50

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Like, the mere fact than Menalque of all people was culted is proof enough I am not the Cult Leader!! Furthermore, if I was the Cult Leader my first 3 recruits would have been Nero, Bingle & FL. These are people I know I can work with just fine. There are others but these are/would have been my top 3 choices.

yo FOH with self-meta. have more respect for the rest of the players than to post that bullshit.

this isn't meta per se, though. It's more of .. erm.. a public relations status? The fact is I don't get a long with Menalque so well, like.. ever. he SRs me in every single game we play together, and I SR him back. It'd be really awkward if we both suddenly started to TR each other out of the blue. I actually look forward to the day when we roll Masons together. If I was a Cult Recruiter then out of the other 39 slots Menalque & DEB would have been the bottom 2 priorities for me to target.

You weren’t in the game for part of it though, so acting like your personal biases really matter is super sketchy

[Gamma Emerald]

Wow, and it was actually silent when my post landed.
VOTE: wooper

What?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes, I am

How does it work

[Gamma Emerald]

What’s your role? Or indication or whatever if you haven’t claimed. Also what is BB exactly, I picked up on him being a protown PR from earlier skimming.

Yeah how much have you read tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll see if I can’t start playing soon (prolly tomorrow)
I think I’m at the point where I can

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Icon

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Icon

When are you going to contribute like you promised?

Amrun, no offense, but I don’t think Pine should motivate you anymore since there are problems with your lists.

I said I might, there was no promise.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh hi
Where should I vote if not Icon

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is A50 prob scum peebs

[Gamma Emerald]

A50 I LOVE YOU BUT YOU'RE PROBABLY SCUM

Why am I scum? Is it because I was lurking? I was doing it all over the site. Right now I am trying to get back into the mood to play after recovering from a really bad experience. I didn't want to say anything at the time, because I didn't want to gain leverage from it, but the reason I was lurking is that my mother passed way on Nov 25th (check when I declared VLA for the first time. That's exactly when I had received the news). Before that she was in intensive care for a few days too. I (and my wife) lived with my mom. We were the ones taking care of her, so it affected us the most (I have 2 brothers).

So, without making a big deal of it, if your SR on me is due to my low activity you should drop it and reevaluate. If it's due to my content then please provide the case so I can properly defend myself (not that I care that much, but I certainly don't want to be mislynched and then be accused of having scumsided too, like it was the case in Cephrir's recent game.)

So, what's your case? Why are you SRing me?

HMMMM

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry for your loss tho
My mom actually had cancer the year before I joined the site

[Gamma Emerald]

She recovered FYI

[Gamma Emerald]

Thanks man

[Gamma Emerald]

I was looking at the OP to determine whether today would be the day I actually start trying again and I got a cracky idea
What if someone reconstructed the original playerlist and sees if any interesting patterns emerge?

[Gamma Emerald]

We're at 3 cult.

What has it been at through the game?

[Gamma Emerald]

How

[Gamma Emerald]

You aren’t scumhunting.

Game has been too fricking obnoxious up until now to really try that hard
Btw I kinda feel like another scumteam would have flipped by now if there was one so my bet would be there isn’t one. This will influence how I analyze the playerlist when I do that

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah

VOTE: pisskop

How about you vote the pseudo guiltied player first lol

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it is unlikely that scum bussed Titus.

I mean. Theres probably like 7 scum in this game. Even if you believe in colored VCs, that's a stretch.

7 seems rather small, I’d say 9-11 based on already stated believed lack of extra killing scumteams

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe, I think the balance wouldn’t skew that hard.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll put my vote on UT once it gets into hammering range.

Cult cop is a pretty good cult leader claim. It's also a role that isn't necessarily town to start with. Also, we've seen vote manipulation so far exactly once, on this slot, and never again. Let's figure out what that was about.

I don’t vibe with this
Like the cult cop as cult leader is interesting but once you get tracked you either true claim result, fake a result and get destroyed if your target flips, or you get straight up caught
Kinda risky
Plus the vote manipulation is a really weak reason I feel

[Gamma Emerald]

And Gobble proposing both A50 and UT but voting A50 is either gobble thinking just like me or that he's been culted

I’m not cult, booboo. I think I scared cult off when I said I would put them if they recruited me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Lol that wouldn’t be playing to win bro

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I could see like a voodoo based vote manipulator that is scum aligned and has to manipulate a partner’s vote a long with a townie’s vote
Anything exist like that in the flavor?

[Gamma Emerald]

Did you try to stop Fire from poisoning Flavor?

[Gamma Emerald]

01. Pine
02. Untrod Tripod

03. Wooper, Town Paranoid Bat Owner
04. Firebringer, Town Odd-Night Poisoner
05. Amrun, Town Forensic Cop
06. Iconeum, Town 1-shot Parasite

07. Korina, Mafia Godfather / Brownie Maker

08. Rautherdir
09. BBmolla

10. Chemist, Town Bodyguard
11. The Fonz, Town Lover
12. TrueSoulEnergy, Town

>

Cult Executioner

13. Menalque, Town

>

Cult Lover

14. Titus, Mafia Ruffian

15. Bingle

16. Nero Cain, Town Inventor

17. xofelf
18. Gamma Emerald

19. Pink Ball -- INNOCENT CHILD
20. Vorkuta, Town Sleepwalker

21. Dr Easy Bake

22. AaronFrost, Town Suicide Bomber

23. RCEnigma
24. davesaz
25. Miss Lynch
26. Elements

27. Doctor Drew, Town Modified Paranoid Gun Owner

28. pisskop

29. zoraster, Mafia Hated Roleblocker

30. Formerfish, Town Gladiator
31. cyrus62, Town Vengeful

32. gobbledygook
33. Cephrir
34. chennisden

35. Creature, Town Supersaint

36. Almost50

37. Flavor Leaf, Pseudo-Town? Deputy

38. KidAmn

39. InsideJob711, Town

>

Cult JOAT

40. EspressoPatronum

Finally did this, I find the spread interesting, but I also recalled something about the game being randomized when it was first made, which probably dispenses any real revelations this could give

I think I want to go over living roles following this but I’m not aware what is claimed rn, I know xof is like a census taker thing, I’m aware the Elements+ML are apparently SKs, I know Rauth is some lie detector that gets punished each time it acts, that’s about it I think
xofelf does your role tell you the totals of all alignments or just the amount of cult?

[Gamma Emerald]

What is a “random JOAT”? That will determine if I think they can co-exist.
Why does UT only have results for N1 and N2 listed there, did his other targets die?
And I’m interested in that faith healer claim, has chenny talked about any flavor around it?
How does ML’s joint win work?

[Gamma Emerald]

Unless we know IJ711 has a hider shot that should not conflict imo

[Gamma Emerald]

I really think it’s Chenn y’all.

Really think

what

is Chenn