Big Four Mafia! Game Over!

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screw it.

VOTE: alch

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i take no responsibility for this game anymore

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O it was

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Well here's to hoping

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Drew ur not trolling me right

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I lynched right, right, right?

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DONT LEAVE ME HANGING BBY IT'S BEEN 5 MINTUES AND YOU HAVENT TEXTED ME BACK

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see, for creature to be town me and gobble both have to be scum.

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at one point we had {Chennis Gobble Drew} were on the Creature wagon.

scum would've quickhammered if Creature were town, unless you believe me and gobble are scum.

This is objectively true

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I'm Frank Bello, bassist for Anthrax

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Also Drew went nowhere

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I couldn't discount a bus and I was getting very paranoid

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I'm pretty much back at square 1

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I think Drew should be town??? Right????

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SOS THIS IS THE TITANIC WE'RE ALL DYING

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SOS THIS IS THE TITANIC WE'RE ALL DYING

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"I am a

randomized

bodyguard"

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True but we have two other scum, and I have no clue

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N1 - Alch visits Pisskop
N2 - Flubber visits nobody
N3 - Jjh visits nobody
N4 - Drew visits nobody

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Unsurprisingly I compelte suck

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Le sigh, I have become worse at town in the last 2 months

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I think it's p townie to try and cover your bases like that

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Ok wow

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Creature ur flailing p badly

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Creature ur doing everything BS is accusing you of

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I mean

Ur dping everything ur accusing BS of

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No, ur picking stupid and senseless reasons in a futile attempt to mislynch someone

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Creature ur flailing p badly

tbh I think town barely ever uses the word flailing.

Scum is the more likely to call someone having insights as flailing.

It's just a way to say "wow that guy has started doing things bet it's just scum flailing because hurr durr im not wrong"

This isn't town trying to solve the game, this is scum jumping at everything and hoping something will stick

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Mr "Forcing a massclaim D2 is scummy"

Sure, continue misrepresenting the reasons we think ur scum, sure

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Creature is really flailing here

Just for reference

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Both are completely valid and you're discrediting them with really really shitty excuses

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VOTE: Creature

I am good with voting Creature.....clearly.

VOTE: Creature

Creature, please answer Chenns question as well

VOTE: Doctor Drew

UNVOTE:

This is hard I town read both of them.

VOTE: Creature

Sorry if this loses us the game, town. There’s too much sketchy stuff to really parse it all out.

There’s no way that role is scum.

VOTE: Alchemist

Check the timestamps, scum would've had plenty of time to hammer

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Also it's your reactions to everything that cement you're scum

It's not D2 even that cements it, it's the way you've played around it

You really don't seem to care who is lynched as long as someone that's not you gets lynched and then you fake a pile of ATE

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You really don't seem to care who is lynched as long as someone that's not you gets lynched

Contradictory when I'm saying I don't want jjh lynched today

He's probably your scumbuddy... so

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Check the timestamps, scum would've had plenty of time to hammer

I took at least half a day to coordinate a quickhammer with Drew and only Drew in Micc's True Love game.

Doctor Drew can confirm.

It's hard to get all four scum online in a span of about 9 hours like you claim to be.

Check your math, I guess?

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You don't seem to care either, but you have a fixated target which is infinitely worse.

I don't care who we lynch

I'm really only fine lynching you

Checks out

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3018-3029 existed too, so

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Yeah, there were about 18 hours scum could've hammered... so yeah, you're demonstrably lying out of your ass.

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Oh really

Nobody except Alchemist and were fucking viable lynch options

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Oh shit, [other person] has 1 vote on them! Time to hard oppose a lynch

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You ever consider that

Scum would try to hide their online statuses

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Anyway, this is an entirely unproductive line of discussion.

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No, that's my role

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Creature your "just vote me and I'll selfvote" bullshit is exactly that: bullshit

Creature your "massclaim isn't scummy" even though there's a ton of benefits for scum (these have been already gone over) bullshit is exactly that: bullshit

Your "I'm going to vote BS because he only says one thing about me" despite you also saying only one thing about him bullshit is exactly that: bullshit

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You must have a really low opinion of this town to think that you're fooling anyone

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fmpov I better start chopping off those who can only pull the "he forced massclaim" bullshit

Hmm... yeah don't think "He hasn't been any towny this game" really was your point

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Lemme try

Creature you weren't any towny this game

Did I do it?

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Creature your "massclaim isn't scummy" even though

there's a ton of benefits for scum

(these have been already gone over) bullshit is exactly that: bullshit

except at the time 9 players already claimed and only 6 didn't, of which, three you/gobbly think are scum (me, jjh, Yoda)

Actually this is kind of fair

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But idk

I don't think the game is that easy.

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You JJH Yoda doesn't feel like a team that would've made it this far.

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fmpov I better start chopping off those who can only pull the "he forced massclaim" bullshit

Hmm... yeah don't think "He hasn't been any towny this game" really was your point

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I would like to introduce you to my friend, Doctor Easy Context

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Fair enough

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Although stating he changed his claim isn't exactly true, he just didn't fullclaim and with good reason, and he failed to protect anyone because he was vanillaized.

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Honestly, no clue

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Maybe he should answer that

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Yeah I don't see why he'd ask inthread

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As either alignment really

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Well that's convenient timing, convenient indeed

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Do you think it's possible Yurkin is trying to coast off of Titus's defense from yesterday

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Maybe Yoda is town??? Geez this game is hard

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What is this game

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Oh yeah... "TP should be on me"

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Btw I doubt Yurkin is ever gonna actually claim

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That's true

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Gobble I would like you to explain now why you would do that

Or explain why those posts don't show you're ascetic

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Damnit

I've been working on the assumption you were town Gobble

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Actually I just thought of something

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Can you two unvote each other

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That relies on the assumption Creature flips scum.

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Gobble I have more reason to believe JJH over you

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Anyway what both of you are exhibiting, though jjh to a larger extent, is fancy player syndrome

When you think you have some really specific plan or do some weird shenanigans

It's more often than not a towntell

So can you guys unvote each other for now

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I don't get the jump from "he knew I was lying" to "he's totally scum"

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There's also basically no more town power so the "going for vanillaizer" think starts to look more and more like an excuse

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I KNOW

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BUT THE LIKELYHOOD OF THAT ACTUALLY WORKING <<<<<<< LIKELYHOOD OF US FUCKING UP

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Also here's the thing

Scum would wait for town to call your fake ascetic claim out, because they would know you're lying

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Gobble I don't think JJH was trying to suicide, it's very obvious he was doing the opposite

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Yeah that's true

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Ok gobble

I think scum are kind of outed but only kind of, and we win by not letting paranoia take over

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Agh I am physically tearing my hair out

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That's probably true

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That was at 3953

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I am feeling surprisingly more lukewarm to a Creature lynch rn

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UGH

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THIS GAME

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No

There's no reason BS can't be vanillaizer

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Yo

I think it's {BS Yoda Yurkin} with maybe some room for error in BS/Yoda for JJH

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Great, there's probably scum within BS and Yoda

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Either one of BS/Yoda is vanillaizer or chennisden is lying to save vanillaizer

That would be kind of silly considering all the TP is gone, so.

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Painful to admit, but it seems I was porbably wrong on a lot of stuff this gmae

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Seems like a dangerous thing to claim as scum tbh

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Flavor cop

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Yurkin is lurkin scum probably

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Gobble you are not the most likely nightkill

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Also you understand the issue of giving JJH a public hide target right

Scum can target someone else you know that?

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Also you understand the issue of giving JJH a public hide target right

Scum can target someone else you know that?

They kill someone like BS Yurkin or Drew who all have a hefty amount of wifom on them

Also I really doubt the scumteam kills BS or Yurkin if they're town

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Also they don't kill BS or Yurkin as sucm so yeah atually I'm ok with this

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If Yoda is scum I think BS and Yurkin scum equities go higher too, so

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Ok so I still have a little paranoia

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See Yoda is

probably

scum

But there's a possibility that the Yoda push is scum motivated and BS just gets... put to the side in our quest for vanillaizer

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And maybe the Yoda lynch ends the game

Do you understnad why I'm worried?

If Yoda is town

It doesn't matter how bad your push is on Yoda as long as it works, and then you win. Or scum is letting you push Yoda and you're town

Or scum is unaware anything is happening

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I'm like 98% sure Yoda lynch is fine

But the little bit of edge

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I've lost too much hair at this point for even the 2% chance

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But that argument relies on Yoda being scum

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But yeah, I see your point

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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ESP THE LAST BIT

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Ok fair

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It was pretty obviously a rhetorical question

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Creature, if you want yurkin dead you should start pushing for the change in the world you want

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If Yoda is town we are just waiting on scum quick hammer

!!!

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Gobble this sounds like you know Creature is town.

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If Creature is scum I think it's really likely Yoda is their next mislynch

If he's town idk

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Nobody has done that, ergo we are all town

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Eh, not technically. Scum could be lying about being vanillaized to protect vanillaizer and they could've just not acted

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No

There's no reason BS can't be vanillaizer

I mean. The setup would be really scumsided if my doctor claim would be fake.

No, this setup is pretty townsided any way you scratch it

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Err spin it

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Eh, not technically. Scum could be lying about being vanillaized to protect vanillaizer and they could've just not acted

I think that’s pretty unlikely in my opinion

Yeah true

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Crumb

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Breadcrumb

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Today, i Ran A hundred miles. Clearly, i am proud of myself for this Kourageous achievement. so i went to the mall and starting Eating some Really delicious food

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BS your play is a next level of bad

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Gobble pls unvote at least I really think it's unlikely BS is town

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okay?

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thanks, i guess

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Solution: ignore the slot

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Solution: ignore the slot

Hard to do specially if we need their vote to achieve a lynch

Right, so we've lost anyway if Yurkin is town

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Yeah that's not fair

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Damn

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Fuck this

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On the off chance Yurkin is town we're wasting our time anyway

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No, scum could literally just not play the game

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You need all town to lynch scum unless scum busses

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Screw it

VOTE: yurkin

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If this is town everything was a Sisyphean effort.

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Screw it

VOTE: yurkin

If this is town everything was a Sisyphean effort.

No Chennisden this is game throwing. do you disagree with my logic about finding the vanillalizer? From your POV it has to be BS or Yoda.

First yurkin is prolly not town

Second I didnt come in and park my vote on Drew so if Yurkin is town here 1) We cant do shit and 2) This literally does not fall on me at all

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Gobble I'd vote Yoda if someone else other than Creature was on the wagon

BTW this isn't an invitation to get on the wagon

I need a little time to think about this

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an invitation for other people to get on the wagon*

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Here's the thing gobble

It doesn't matter if we figure out who the vanillaizer is if Yurkin is town

We aren't lynching them without Yurkin if they're town

None of it matters

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Yurkin has also blatantly scumposted too, so there's that

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This setup seems townsided, so

>setup is townsided
>town never lynched scum

VOTE: Dr. Drew

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Sorry meant to quote jjh nakedvotr, but.

Theres no reason for town to dothis

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If Yurkin is town we're just torturing ourselves for no reason

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Like let's say Yurkin is town and Yoda is scum

Do you really think scum is bussing

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is going to be bussing*

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I have to be honest, I was more confident about that read earlier but like I find it really hard to get a good read on him in either direction

Like gun to my head, scum? But idk

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Here's the thing though figuring out who's scum is useless if Yurkin is town sooooooooooooooooo

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I reallly reallllllly don't want to pull out more hair over this game if it's gonna amount to that and would rather be put out of my misery

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The thing I don't like, Chenn, is that you are more content with the game potentially ending now versus solving the game.

1) Yurkin is scum.
2) If this is not true we've lost anyway.

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Yurkin is literally voting you Drew

Yurkin is not town

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You would - rightfully - go batshit insane if I voted you

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You would - rightfully - go batshit insane if I voted you

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VOTE: drew

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See? That was stupid.

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VOTE: yurkin

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Like I hope that demonstrates my point

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The point is it was supposed to be scary when I voted you

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When you're pretty much always town

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Yeah but did Yurkin ever unvote you

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IMagine if I didn't unvote

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That's the point

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Now uhh extrapolate to Yurkin

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Yoda

If you're town you're wrong on at least one of your Craeture Yurkin reads so

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BS is scum from your POV

You should be looking for other two scum

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reeeeeallly

drew is below yurkin and creature

reaaaaallly

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Gobble and creature r voting you

So lol

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Calling both of them town is absolute lol

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no, dude, if they're both town you will be quickhammered

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More confident on Yurkin than Yoda though his reads have been... weird from his position, to say the least

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Hwatever I think yodas recent play is scummy

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If im wring im free of my suffering

VOTE: yoda

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Thats a silly question

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@BS

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Also Yoda hammertesting maybe unreliable

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O wait we r L-1

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UNVOTE:

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Sorry Yoda guess I was wrong on you

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I guess

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That means BS is probably scum then

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I am getting more and more interested in killing BS

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VOTE: Creature

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NOOOOOO

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Damnit I suck so much at town

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Dude

The fucking vanillaizer was randomized.

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One of the most townsided games Ive played in a while tbh, last time town was this crazy was Gameshow

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No, you had an IC, Masons, neighborizer, another neighborizer

Town massively misplayed, we read PRs, and you guys were damn close to locking down the game,

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You guys were close to getting jjh and Yoda. TSE massively fucked up by claiming Tracker D1 and trying to push a massive misplay in scum PT

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No Drew

No

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Btw I didnt know Jjhs role the entire game

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No Drew

No

Third party.

Survivor baby!

Holy shit Drew, if you fucking claimed we couldve no lycnhed.

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All he had to do was vote no lynch

Then we couldve just quickhammered

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Its half not half plus one for no lynch.

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No, you actively misplayed

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All scum plus Drew is a nolynch

Btw if we didnt lynch Looker the way we did you wouldve won. Plain and simple.

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Its half not half plus one for no lynch.

Sure but what happens the next day

I would have been very hesitant to trust a survivor claim going for a no lynch

Oh right

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Jjh also got BS's modification right

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I think we wouldve gone for gobbs?

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Gobble how do you feel about me being scum

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Oh yeah, you also lost becayse Yurkin didnt play