Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Rautherdir]

I call bullshit.

If I could be roleblocked, then the compulsive facet of my post restriction wouldn't make as much sense, especially if the roleblock is in town hands.

My power is technically unlimited, however each time it's used I have to pay a price, and I only know the next price I have to pay, although there's the general statement that the price will increase each time. I get the feeling it's going to culminate in using the power in exchange for dying though. Last night the price was a post restriction that once broken makes my power compulsive the following night. Once it's broken the post restriction doesn't come back, and I did get to choose the post restriction, which I decided would be including at least one rhyme in my posts. For some reason I thought that would be easy. I'm not sure if I should claim the next price though.

I don't see an incompatibility or a lack of sense here.

And? I'm just saying what happened. I have a cop clear on me and a godfather has flipped. Tomorrow I'll be hated and as such will probably not be allowed to survive to LYLO anyways.

[Rautherdir]

But for the second, yes, I think it casts doubt on Korina not killing night 2.

If the first person to submit gets their kill flavor on it, doesnt it stand to reason that person also will have carried out the kill for the purposes of Amrun's role?

I would assume so? But I don't think there was an argument here that there were two kills on Vork or FF, right?

Then I guess I dont understand what you're saying!

There were two parts to this and they're separate.

One is the situation around Elements and the "whoever submitted first" thing could be relevant (though as I've said, unlikely) in terms of the claimed Creature Kill that turned up SK-ish flavor language that matched up with Menalque's death when Elements said he DIDN'T shoot. Because theoretically it's possible that both SK and Vigilante-Elements shot Creature but SK submitted first so the flavor was SK-ish. Again, I do not believe this to be the case, but it is possible.

The other separate point is the Amrun result, which has Korina on N2 along with (for sake of simplicity) me and Wooper. Korina gave a brownie to someone (I forget who at the moment) who confirmed it happened. So because people assumed a kill and an action COULDN'T happen on the same night, that meant either me or Wooper was the person who killed FF. But as it turns out, the mod DOES allow both an action and a kill from the same player, so Korina, confirmed scum through his death, is possibly if not likely the N2 killer too.

Does that make sense? My questions were about two different aspects of the game.

Actually, you and wooper are on the night 1 list.

[Rautherdir]

People scumreading Flavor here is pretty hilarious, ngl.

what if i half want to lynch him just so i don't have to read his posts anymore

Well, I guess you could ask Elements to vig him then. People appear to be fine with Creature's death for that reason, they'll probably be fine with Flavor going the same way.

(I'm being slightly sarcastic.)

[Rautherdir]

Oh, sorry PK, didn't actually realize that post would work for testing your alignment when you made it.

[Rautherdir]

It should be safe to put Wooper at L-4, right?

VOTE: Wooper

(L-4)

[Rautherdir]

Flavor seems to confirm that both of the kills were killed twice, once by scum and once by town.

[Rautherdir]

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if there are multiples of races. It would confuse flavor analysis. We're also guaranteed red herrings, so...

p-edit
Well, yeah. Also, I mentioned earlier that due to Cult recruiter still being alive, I was more or less guaranteed to get a False on that post. (Inside would not have been able to know zor's alignment was town when they said it, since the recruit could have happened after the hide)

[Rautherdir]

Well, you can take pisskop off that list, 8722 reported true. My next price is becoming macho.

VOTE: Iconeum
I'm fine with this dying.

[Rautherdir]

UNVOTE:

Alright. Also wondering if there might be better lynches for today. (Dave, UT, DEB, for example)

[Rautherdir]

Well, you can take pisskop off that list, 8722 reported true. My next price is becoming macho.

VOTE: Iconeum
I'm fine with this dying.

Why did you choose 8722?

Pisskop is asking ML to repeat that phrase, not saying it about himself. It could probably come back as true even if he's scum.

That post is essentially:
"<quote>

<question>

<statement>"
And as such only the statement should matter for truth. As for why pisskop, most of the other people I wanted to target hadn't given posts for me to check.

[Rautherdir]

UNVOTE:

Alright. Also wondering if there might be better lynches for today. (Dave, UT, DEB, for example)

yeah bro let's lynch the fucking cult cop

That role does not make you town. And we're still missing a killer in Amrun's list if they are to be believed.

[Rautherdir]

We have a jailkeeper? And I can act through it, though my next ability usage makes me macho so it probably wouldn't actually protect me.

[Rautherdir]

That seems worse than protecting rauth

And I'm going to be macho soon. Seriously, Jailkeeper on macho is better then Jailkeeper on nexus. Let's leash Elements into killing... chennis, davesaz, and DEB? Or maybe just one of the later two? Something like that.

VOTE: Iconeum
Was hoping we could find a better lynch but oh well.

[Rautherdir]

4002 is true. My next price is dying if I cast a hammering vote on someone.

I'd be fine with davesaz or chennis being lynched today.

[Rautherdir]

4002 is true. My next price is dying if I cast a hammering vote on someone.

I'd be fine with davesaz or chennis being lynched today.

Why would you check me?? I already had BB and gobble vouching for me.

Wait, they did? Where?

[Rautherdir]

4002 is true. My next price is dying if I cast a hammering vote on someone.

I'd be fine with davesaz or chennis being lynched today.

Why pick such an old post, out of interest? Does your power check if the post was true at the time it was made, or when you submit the action?

PE: Also... yeah, that.

When it was made. And an older post because that's what I had available?

[Rautherdir]

And as for why I checked EP, they're one of the slots I haven't been able to read well. And I remembered other people being suspicious of that slot.

p-edit
... Because I used the wrong set of notes when checking to see what posts I can check.

[Rautherdir]

Hey, I confirmed before submitting that 8722 would work fine.

[Rautherdir]

I either didn't see gobbles backing you or didn't remember it. I haven't been keeping notes on things like that. BBMolla's I did see, but that flavor doesn't scream town.

[Rautherdir]

4002 is true. My next price is dying if I cast a hammering vote on someone.

I'd be fine with davesaz or chennis being lynched today.

Why pick such an old post, out of interest? Does your power check if the post was true at the time it was made, or when you submit the action?

PE: Also... yeah, that.

When it was made. And an older post because that's what I had available?

So you picked the older and worse to use of 2 posts, that doesn't confirm anything because several nights have passed since, because...?

Starting to feel like there's a non-zero possibility Rauth is compromised, especially given them claiming to have a result on a night I jailkept them. (In case anyone forgot that)

I picked the older of 2 posts because halfway through the game I decided to switch to making notes of Lie Detectable posts for each day instead of in a single document. And then apparently forgot to either look over the posts-by-day when checking to see who I could check, or to keep the original document updated.

[Rautherdir]

If we're worried about Elements we could just force him to make a post I can check. Actually, since I'm apparently terrible at using this role, maybe we should leash my power until I inevitably die from it. The next price is definitely much more actively trying to get me dead.

VOTE: davesaz
Honestly I think we might be down to PoE at this point.

[Rautherdir]

I'm missing posts for Elements, Almost50, and DEB. I have 3841 for Miss Lynch which would probably turn up true but probably doesn't actually tell us what we want to know.

From what ML has claimed her role's ability to win with town depends on Elements staying alive.

[Rautherdir]

Oh, yeah that would work better. I'll update my list with that.

p-edit
Considering how well my first attempt to check a post with information about more then one person's alignment went, I'm not sure if I would try it again. Also, I already checked pisskop.

[Rautherdir]

He'll need to make a post I can check first. Or I'll need to be told I missed a post I can check for him, if applicable.

[Rautherdir]

I'd also want a post I can check from Untrod Tripod. I really don't think that slot is town, but no one else seems to agree with me on that.

[Rautherdir]

I don't know why I'm being vague about that. The condition is met when Rauth hammers.

UNVOTE:

This proves at the very least that I'm able to hammer without dying today. But yeah, starting the day after I use my lie detection ability next, I won't be able to hammer without dying.

[Rautherdir]

I'll put my vote on UT once it gets into hammering range.

Cult cop is a pretty good cult leader claim. It's also a role that isn't necessarily town to start with. Also, we've seen vote manipulation so far exactly once, on this slot, and never again. Let's figure out what that was about.

[Rautherdir]

I’m pretty sure at this point the cult leader is like one of these three people:

Almost50
Raurthedir
Untrod Tripod

Everyone else has flavor supporting them not being cult or night actions.

What about chennis?

Also, why would I claim a role that will die as cult leader?

p-edit
Forgot about that. My theory though, is that the vote manipulator is loyal. Which doesn't make UT cult leader, but oh well.

[Rautherdir]

What about chennis?

BBmolla said Chennisden’s flavor is that of a Zealot. The night flavor means we are looking for a snake like creature as the cult. That’s pretty much the only reason I haven’t gunned for his death. But he also claimed to target me and I’m not cult so.

He claimed to be a double-voter...

[Rautherdir]

Alright, must have missed that. Not sure if I believe that claim considering we already had two doctor-ish roles.

p-edit
It's also an empty threat because the moment you're cult-aligned it wouldn't be playing to win to do that.

[Rautherdir]

Bodyguard.

[Rautherdir]

Chemist's slot. Which are both of the traditional 'doctor with negative utility' roles.

[Rautherdir]

JOAT also usually has a heal ability. Inventor usually has a bp shot to give. Parasite is self-protecting. Roleblocker is the mafia 'healing' role.

[Rautherdir]

To be clear, I'm thinking UT is runelord, and chennis is cult leader right now. I'd put gobbles as a likely cult recruit at this point.

[Rautherdir]

Hey, Elements. Can you claim if you leave when we hit 10 players so I can check that?

If this is the case then we should just leash Elements and wait for him and ML to leave at that point in time. It does 'waste' one of my shots but it would get that out of the way for good.

[Rautherdir]

At this point I just want Elements and Miss Lynch removed from the equation so I don't have to keep blocking Elements while he comes up with increasingly improbable reasons why he hasn't just killed me to stop him having to worry about these improbable "nexus redirects" stopping him, or whatever the fuck the story will be tomorrow. I still maintain there's a non-zero chance our cult is Ascension of Orcus given how many times in the lore that fucker has ascended, descended, and generally shimmied side to side.

If that slot is self resolving like ML implied then it will remove itself from the equation.

pedit
What? RCE never said it was a fake inno.

[Rautherdir]

They want to prove that I can hammer today without dying, as far as I can tell. That doesn't mean their inno was fake.

p-edit
He was leashed last night. I thought that was established.

[Rautherdir]

We gave Elements a list of people to kill within, with the threat that he would die if he didn't kill in that list. That is leashing, isn't it?

[Rautherdir]

Why A50?
Cult leader is probably chennis as far as I'm concerned. I doubt there would be three variations of 'doctor-with-negative-utility' in this game. Especially when several other roles have flipped that could also fill that sort of slot in the setup.

[Rautherdir]

If you're going off of gobbledygook's list, it included me. A slot which would never be allowed to live to LYLO

and also got a cultist lynched with their claim

Also, I got jailkept night 1 (read the flavor that night. I knew KidAmn was probably a jailkeeper after reading it. Thus why I said my power might go through being blocked) and there was a recruit that night. So yeah.

[Rautherdir]

If you're going off of gobbledygook's list, it included me. A slot which would never be allowed to live to LYLO

and also got a cultist lynched with their claim

Also, I got jailkept night 1 (read the flavor that night. I knew KidAmn was probably a jailkeeper after reading it. Thus why I said my power might go through being blocked) and there was a recruit that night. So yeah.

Roleblocker, not jailkeeper. At the time I thought KidAmn was some sort of roleblocker. But then a roleblocker flipped and KidAmn claimed.

[Rautherdir]

Gobbles is quite possibly cult now. So why are you using a list from someone who's possibly compromised?

Also. Zealot. Is. Probably. Cult Leader.

pedit
Give me a moment.

[Rautherdir]

The Half-Elf sauntered through The Rusty Dragon -- as he often does -- when he was stopped.

"

Why don't you go ahead and take a seat there, friend.

"

A sly smirk crossed the Half-Elf's face, but he was interrupted by the man before he could reply.

"

I'm not really askin' so much as I'm tellin'...

"

The large axe on the brute's back seemed to be all the exclamation needed. The Half-Elf obliged.

"

Not like I had much to do this evening, anyway.

"

The much larger man chuckled as he finished his ale. He waved the barkeep down for another.

Might as well go ahead and claim that I'm the half-elf.

[Rautherdir]

There's also davesaz. Maybe.

Also, UT has a flavor cop result?

[Rautherdir]

Huh. I guess UT probably isn't runelord then? Also, that's assuming that Gobbles isn't compromised.

[Rautherdir]

I'm not saying you're the cult leader. I'm saying you were probably recruited. You put me and UT on your list and I am almost definitely not the cult leader, and UT probably isn't.

[Rautherdir]

Alright cool. So gobbles drastically changed the CL list from yesterday to include three people who probably or definitely aren't the cult leader. Wonderful.

[Rautherdir]

The list from yesterday was:
- chennisden
- davesaz
- DEB

[Rautherdir]

At least at the end of the day it was.

[Rautherdir]

Chennis was removed without comment, as far as I can tell.
davesaz was removed because gobbles apparently got an inno for him.
DEB got removed because of the flavor cop's result, I guess. Though I am starting to question why that result makes DEB not cult.

[Rautherdir]

RCE said he wanted me to hammer. Not to kill myself by doing so. He explicitly said as such in 10735

[Rautherdir]

Davesaz being removed from the list I would expect. DEB and chennis, not so much.

[Rautherdir]

Probably to hammer. I don't have that effect today, so I would be fine. It does verify my claim, in that I don't have that price yet.

[Rautherdir]

It establishes that I probably only have one shot left in my ability before it kills me. Maybe two.

[Rautherdir]

And getting your role revealed by the moderator is the ultimate investigation. Which occurs after dying.

[Rautherdir]

I am currently Hated. I should not be allowed to survive into LYLO anyways. So, yeah, if scum doesn't kill me first.

[Rautherdir]

Yeah. I gave up on surviving to end-game by using my ability on night 4.

[Rautherdir]

Well, by breaking my PR day 4 and thus forcing me to use my ability that night and become Hated. Not really much of a difference there.

[Rautherdir]

Dude, Rauth, if you think gobble has been recruited, the next thing to assume is that in his cult leader's list there must be the cult leader and he's not pushing them. Gobble reminds my own scum play, he soft bus until the lynch of his partner is inevitable so then he can bus hard and make his progression look natural.

This is based on the cult surviving after the cult leader is dead, that's how it works right? Like, they aren't able to recruit anyone else, but they still can win.

Then why completely change the list of cult suspects? That very much isn't a natural progression, or made to look like a natural progression.

But yeah, as far as I can tell the cult can still win with the leader dead.

[Rautherdir]

Alright. I'm probably just annoyed since I was on Gobble's list when that made no sense.

[Rautherdir]

I am currently Hated. I should not be allowed to survive into LYLO anyways. So, yeah, if scum doesn't kill me first.

If you just don't claim hated, it's not actually that bad.

I claimed it would be my next price back on day 3. And I claimed it because I had the 'choice' of becoming Hated or not. The choice remaining a choice being entirely dependent on not breaking a post restriction, but still.

[Rautherdir]

Besides, as town either the rest of town has issues town-reading me, or scum decides I need to die for some reason, so I wasn't really expecting to survive until endgame. Actually, I'm pretty sure I've only survived to endgame as town twice, once in my first game, and once as a mason/n-shot mason chat encryptor in Project ARCH.

[Rautherdir]

Can you walk me through how their respective flavor's indicate they aren't the cult leader?

[Rautherdir]

How about this. We hunt for runelords. KidAmn jailkeeps one of the targets (Not UT though)
I Lie Detect UT.
UT checks whoever KidAmn doesn't target.

[Rautherdir]

If we've narrowed it down to three suspects then we can just check those suspects with the multiple abilities that can check if someone is cult or not.

[Rautherdir]

Since it seems prudent to restate it as one of the people Rauth hasn't claimed to have investigated:

I am Cobble-aligned. I am not aligned with the cult or any anti-Cobble faction. I share the Cobble wincon. My targets were as follows:
N1: Rautherdir, who has claimed not to be blocked this night.
N2: Flavor Leaf, now dead.
N3: Zoraster, now dead.
N4: Elements, claimed Nexus SK aligned with Miss Lynch.
N5: Elements

If Rauth uses any post other than this to lie detect me tonight, if he does so, it is tantamount to a scum/cultclaim. There is no reason to use any other post.

PEdit: If A50 refuses to claim just get it over with.

I haven't investigated you because I believe your claim to be what it is and runelords already flipped a roleblocker.

[Rautherdir]

01. Pine - Motivator (Confirmed to exist)
09. BBmolla - Flavor Cop (Confirmed to Exist)
19. Pink Ball -- INNOCENT CHILD (Confirmed to exist)
23. RCEnigma - Messenger (Confirmed to Exist)
32. gobbledygook - Friendly Neighbor (Confirmed to Exist)
26. Elements - SK (Confirmed via night result and ML claim)

02. Untrod Tripod - PI
08. Rautherdir - Lie Detector
15. Bingle - FBI Agent
17. xofelf - Knows number of cult
25. Miss Lynch - Backup SK, makes SK viable to win with town.
34. chennisden - Faith Healer
28. pisskop - Random JoaT, flavor meshes
38. KidAmn - JK

18. Gamma Emerald (Not Cult N1)
33. Cephrir (Not Cult N2)

21. Dr Easy Bake
24. davesaz
36. Almost50
40. EspressoPatronum

I'm not sure if I missed any claims. If I did, please share. I think EP was confirmed via something, but I'm not sure what. Of category 2, KA can be confirmed to exist via targeting someone who has a tangible night result. (Myself, perhaps?) Xof, ML, Chen, and pk have minor equity as cult leader/scum. DEB, Dave, A50, EP similar.

EP got confirmed to be town by me and I think confirmed to gobbles somehow?

[Rautherdir]

That argument does nothing for me. Do something town if you want to live.

Do something town even if you don't want to live. There's a boatload of analysis in the thread, but not a lot of feels reads and you're a decent feels-reads-player. I promise to come back to your reads if you flip town and I'm not likely to be going anywhere any time soon.

The last line is weird, Bingle, and it feels overtly pockety

Unless Bingle got recruited then he's town. I checked him night 1.

Also, Bingle, you do realize if Kid protects Pine then I can't get motivated, right? I need people to target within and have posts I can target before we end the day anyways.

[Rautherdir]

If it helps I feel like scum has led the dialogue for a while

So, do you have any suspects due to this?

[Rautherdir]

Well, if it's a masonry just have one of the masons post 'I am cobble and I know x is cobble' and I can check that tonight.

[Rautherdir]

Unless we don't want to reveal the masonry yet. In which case don't.

[Rautherdir]

It would work as long as none of the 'masons' die.

[Rautherdir]

@pisskop
Because RCE faked a daycop on me, and softed masons with BBMolla?

[Rautherdir]

Scum don't have as much a need to wipe out cult, so they might be asking for other stuff that is potentially useful

Except for the part where cult could win on day 9.

[Rautherdir]

Or would it be day 8? I'm not sure.

[Rautherdir]

targeting scum = mega sad, death

This is for the cult leader. Scum doesn't have a single point of weakness. Except in some games with the godfather.

[Rautherdir]

Why do you always go to flavor? It's explicitly said not everything will be in the flavor. Also mason is more of a passive thing, the lovers didn't get any mention in flavor until they died, for example.

[Rautherdir]

We're hunting for the cult leader. Who probably didn't start as a mason.

[Rautherdir]

Korina.

p-edit
ninja'd on that.

[Rautherdir]

You know, just thinking. A weak hider and a cult leader have the same reaction when targeting scum.

[Rautherdir]

I guess it's hard to believe this game would have a mafia lightning rod unless the CL was immune to it

Good point.

Actually, if the lightning rod doesn't draw factionals then it would work. And would be more likely to be a mafia power.

[Rautherdir]

I kind of forgot to announce V/LA before not having access to a computer for the holidays. Just got back. I guess the good news is we killed two scum while I was gone? The bad news is I wasn't here to use my night action.

[Rautherdir]

As far as I can tell I wasn't motivated. But I'm not sure I would even be told I was motivated if I didn't try to use an ability.

[Rautherdir]

Yeah, kill a person that the cult won't touch. Very transparent there.

[Rautherdir]

I mean it’s pretty simple. You have scum and cult equity by virtue of doing bad night actions. I think DEB is probably the leader because his role as claimed makes 0 sense but if he isn’t then you and UT are on the chopping block

I can't be cult leader, assuming that Kid is telling the truth. And the transparent comment is because you're almost definitely recruited.

[Rautherdir]

You're trying to keep the cult leader alive, by directing attention towards people who cannot be the cult leader.

[Rautherdir]

IDK? But saying I might be CL again is what I'm talking about.

[Rautherdir]

I mean it’s pretty simple. You have scum and cult equity by virtue of doing bad night actions. I think DEB is probably the leader because his role as claimed makes 0 sense but if he isn’t then you and UT are on the chopping block

You are gunning for me in this post. When it's already been explained that I can't be CL. And recruiting me would be idiotic when I'm about to die anyways.

And why would I preempt my VLA when I forgot to declare it in the first place, and I was waiting to be told who my potential targets were yesterday.

[Rautherdir]

How can I be cult. Explain that, please. Either cult recruited someone who is going to die, or I as cult leader claimed a role that can never survive to the end of the game, and got roleblocked night 1 and still recruited. And also didn't submit an action last night and still recruited.

[Rautherdir]

VOTE: davesaz
Alright, fine. I'll vote who I think is CL.

[Rautherdir]

Where is this claim? Sorry, I haven't actually read much of the previous day after I left.

[Rautherdir]

I'll wait until EP can confirm that the message gives that sort of information.

[Rautherdir]

Oh right, but it wouldn't for cult leader. And A50 might not be recruitable, which would explain the hidden question of 'why am I not dead' in that quote.
VOTE: DEB

[Rautherdir]

UNVOTE:
Sorry, consider my vote to be on DEB though.

[Rautherdir]

How about I change my claim to hammerer/vig that reflexively kills a cult leader on an attempted recruit? And I'm seriously offering to leash my kill. At this point I just want cult to lose, and you might need my kill to do that at this point. So now you can all strategize around having two kills and not having to worry about anyone you don't want dying unless cult has a killing role.

And seriously, this is the best I can do with the 'no claiming scum' rule in place. And please don't kill me until the Cult Leader is dead at the very least. That's just helping the cult win.

[Rautherdir]

That feels distinctly not in the spirit of the game to me, but I also don't think Rauth is the type to do something like this if they thought scum had any hope of winning.

Also, I fucking called it after that N1 result motherfucker.

Eh, I wanted a false association with Bingle more then a claim that I could be roleblocked. The plan was always for me to die. The hope was that I could keep my team-mates from dying because of it, but that's not going to happen at this point.

Also, who are our vanilla-ized claims again? Because that's not a power Runelords ever had, and it sounds suspiciously like getting culted. I should probably be used to either go after the recruited players or to go after the cult leader.

[Rautherdir]

Are you the Bugbear Raur?

No? I'm a half-elf. I already pointed that out using the night 1 flavor. I think I had guessed it was Pine, but that's probably wrong. We didn't really talk about it in the PT.

Also, just going to remind everyone that I'm also a hammerer. Put someone at L-1, and if I'm not already voting them they get lynched. Assuming no further orders I'll be killing BBMolla tonight.

[Rautherdir]

ML has claimed to leave with Elements at 10 players, and due to how that claim happened I'm inclined to believe it. A50 I might shoot just to get him out of the way. I'd rather lynch UT, that gets the most results out of him. We might want to clear up the whole Masons thing that BBMolla and Gobbles have. Between the two I personally think Gobbles is more likely to have been recruited, but there's more mechanical evidence for BBMolla being recruited. Dave's claim (or what Gobbles has claimed for Dave) is interesting, and I'm not sure I believe it.

Oh yeah. I know what ML's role is. Honestly, let me check the rest of pisskop's targets to refresh myself on what town doesn't know. ML and Elements are probably what they claim to be though, is what I'll say for now. I remember pisskop also targeted Creature, but that's already flipped.

[Rautherdir]

That's pretty much it, other then InsideJob and EP. And it was Cephrir, not Creature that got targeted. Everyone else we targeted flipped the same night.

[Rautherdir]

Perhaps we test it again on Rauth?

If we really want to. I can confirm what my flavor is afterwards to see if it matches up. Though what you said about ML appears to match up with what I know. You didn't get the role though? Gobbles claimed to get that for dave...

[Rautherdir]

Right now my targets are Almost50 and BBMolla. If anyone wants to propose a change to that, let me know.

[Rautherdir]

Those are both terrible cult leader shots.

What is the name of your role, ML?

They aren't supposed to be. One is to clear up a slot. The other is to clean up a possible cult recruit. Elements is probably still gunning after the Cult Leader.

And if you want me to gun after the cult leader instead, just let me know who I'm shooting.

[Rautherdir]

I'm not shooting ML or Elements. I believe what they've claimed. I also personally don't think ML should claim. As in it would not help town for ML to claim.

Personally, if it isn't DEB then the Cult Leader would probably be UT or dave in my opinion. Maybe A50, though I would shoot that slot more for his claim then for possibly being Cult Leader.

p-edit
Yeah, got it. As I said I'm not shooting ML though. I know for a fact that ML is not the Cult Leader.

[Rautherdir]

Does Elements know who he's killing?

[Rautherdir]

I killed him so that the mod wouldn't have to replace him. Annoyed that I sniped the cult recruit?

[Rautherdir]

I'm aware you weren't cult then. PK was actually convinced you were cult though, I've been sheeping his read.

[Rautherdir]

Well, we'll just see what happens. I wasn't given you as a valid option to shoot and I am serious about being leashed though, so I guess you can rest easy tonight. I could explain how killing me is anti-town right now, but oh well. Cult will definitely want me dead now though, I did what was probably the worst case scenario for them by giving my kill to town.

[Rautherdir]

I was already going to die period. I had claimed Hated. My fake-claim prevented me from ever getting into the end of the game.

And I was serious about not being here for the night, or for pisskop's death for that matter. Gamma was waiting on me to show up before confirming our kill. That's why there wasn't a kill from us last night.

[Rautherdir]

Well, the mod decided to correct me on that and had gone through with the proposed kill. Apparently I tried to kill BBMolla last night. No clue why that failed.

[Rautherdir]

Well, the mod decided to correct me on that and had gone through with the proposed kill. Apparently I tried to kill BBMolla last night. No clue why that failed.

Was Pine scum this whole time :\

What? Please explain the logic behind this because I see an entirely different result from this.

[Rautherdir]

It’s different because Raur is not the last scum whereas we know what we’re dealing with in Elements and ML.

Well, yeah I'm not the last scum. The cult is still alive. And is going to win pretty soon.

I am the last Runelord-aligned player alive. Unless we have a traitor the mod didn't inform us about, but I highly doubt that would be a thing.

[Rautherdir]

It’s different because Raur is not the last scum whereas we know what we’re dealing with in Elements and ML.

Understandable. I think we're unfortunately in a position where we have to maybe make a deal with the devil we know before we start being consumed by the one we don't.

Nah. We literally cannot win if mafia are still alive. Elements and ML have already given us a timeline for when they can win. They will be the devil we will deal with, not the mafia.

Elements does not win with 10 players left.

He leaves with ML at 10 players.

[Rautherdir]

If DEB is CL then you're cult outing the leader. Like you said you would.

[Rautherdir]

I'm going to try not to talk with gobbles for the rest of the day. From my perspective I'm just arguing with cult. If DEB flips CL then I'm shooting BBMolla or A50. If DEB doesn't flip CL then I'm shooting UT. I believe that's the consensus with my shots.

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ML claimed that Elements would also leave. It's quite possible that isn't part of Elements role card.

[Rautherdir]

Wait. Why don’t we just solve this now. Raur, is DEB a buddy of yours?

The answer to this is no. I don't have any more buddies.

Also, I'm not voting because I'm a hammerer. I'll just let myself hammer wherever and that way it's consistent.

[Rautherdir]

I think it's possible the recruits are giving him up at this point because he's claimed scum like three times.

Why give up on him if they can milk the cow just a little bit more and get one more recruit and probably win on the next day or something like that

What other lynch is possible today? If DEB is the cult leader, anyone defending him would just be owning themselves.

It’s possible cult just flat out die if the leader is lynched so they’re clucked either way. I doubt DEB lives past this day/night cycle at any rate, regardless of his status as cult leader or scum or mafia.

We have a uni backup in the game, so I doubt the leader being lynched kills the cultists.

[Rautherdir]

VOTE: Gobbles

Cult didn't disband. They likely still have a method of winning, and possibly a method of gaining a new leader. Taking that into account along with someone who was definitely trying to look townie after that who is also highly likely to be culted themselves...

Also Gobbles. It does not benefit the SK to kill me. Now, whether or not we hit the same target or not is a different question. But I'll let Elements answer that.

[Rautherdir]

Like if there are 3 more mafia this town might actually be boned but the margin of error was ever so slightly increased by mafia shooting bb last night and not another townie lUL
Bad mafia is bad

Actually, I proved the cult is still a threat. That's not a bad play.

[Rautherdir]

Raur continuing to prove why he should have died.

If cult still have a way to gain a member why did the number go down with Bb’s death and DEB’s death unless you think Xofelf is also cult

I mean alternatively we can just kill you Raur because you are literally claimed scum but I’m gonna put you on ignore until you actually present a worthwhile reason to talk to you

And how would you know the number went down? Xofelf hasn't revealed the number yet.

[Rautherdir]

I have difficulty thinking of a reason not to lynch the confirmed scum today.

Go ahead if you want. Not like I get a say in it.

[Rautherdir]

VOTE: Rautherdir

Doesn't even matter where I vote. Just making sure I don't get prodded.

[Rautherdir]

All and all, I'm gonna miss you buddy Rauth, after you flip scum I'll be in total darkness, no idea who should be lynched next. I trust absolutely no one in this playerlist.

Well, whoever is cult, obviously. And you'll need to get to 10 players alive for ML and Elements to leave.

[Rautherdir]

I honestly also had fun this game. I would say that after this game I'm probably never scum-claiming in a game again, and would almost never recommend it as a valid strategy, with the possible exception of jester or vengeful shenanigans.

[Rautherdir]

Who are we lynching?

Me, now that the CL is dead.

[Rautherdir]

...We're sure he's not jester, right? I mean...he's actually advocating for his lynch as claimed scum here.

Well, you'll only find out if you lynch me, won't you.

[Rautherdir]

Was that hammer? I think that was hammer. Good game, people.

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Or they'd shoot one of my targets to get me 'mislynched'

[Rautherdir]

Rauth: Pine, EP, Gobble, Rauth, Ceph, RCE, ML, Dave

Hammer is real.

Awesome. I used my power on someone, and told them who ML is. You'll understand what I'm talking about after I flip.

[Rautherdir]

If I didn't do that I'm pretty sure that information would be lost, since I'm not even sure if ML knows what her power is to be honest.

[Rautherdir]

I'm not going to say who I used my power on though. I did recommend they keep it a secret unless they felt like sharing it though.

[Rautherdir]

I almost used that power day 1 on KidAmn though. Both of my other powers were unblockable, by the way. Which is why I decided to make my Lie Detector claim unblockable.

[Rautherdir]

If this isn't BS, you should actually spell it out.

None of the flips have had role information, just names.

If you're talking about my role, it will be rather obvious what my powers were.

[Rautherdir]

I mean seriously, if you haven't noticed: some of the flips directly say what the role is. Mine will be one of those.

[Rautherdir]

And while I could explain a lot more about the setup, I'm scum, and you're close enough to winning that you can wait.

[Rautherdir]

Rauth: Pine, EP, Gobble, Rauth, Ceph, RCE, ML, Dave

Hammer is real.

Awesome. I used my power on someone, and told them who ML is. You'll understand what I'm talking about after I flip.

Because we have time and I'm curious..... does it show up in the flavour?

... My (personal) powers are unblockable, probably untrackable, and don't show up in flavor.

[Rautherdir]

Not that we even had a tracker this game, unless InsideJob had a tracker shot.

[Rautherdir]

This was a fun game to play. I did end up telling Elements who Miss Lynch was, which... probably wasn't the best idea in hind-sight.

Reckon we could play an actual DND game in mish mash?

I'd be up for this as well.

[Rautherdir]

Korina did that kill. The Godfather. I'm pretty sure someone actually brought that up as a possibility, you just rejected it.

[Rautherdir]

Xanesha was a shapeshifter in lore.