Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[Hectic]

Sherlock i claimed my other shots earlier
tracker and neighbouriser
though i'm gonna try haggling with Moriarity tonight to see if he can give me a few gunsmiths too

[Hectic]

hey Somni why have you changed your mind on Aaron!scum?
you seemed pretty confident earlier

[Hectic]

hard pass TSE

[Hectic]

so you mean track/watch on the same person?

[Hectic]

oh i see to prevent a roleblock?
not sure if that's a valuable use of a watcher though

[Hectic]

lul i doubt i'm getting murdered any time soon Sherlock
the IC doesn't like me very much

[Hectic]

alright i'll try and make this track count whether i use it night 2 or 3
you better be scared Oogle Boogle

[Hectic]

hope you appreciate what i've done for you Oka
now go solve with TSE

[Hectic]

it's all good man honestly i don't know what Moriarty was thinking putting in a Mason recruiter with 8 hour cooldowns but shame we've been so lazy in remembering to recruit

[Hectic]

hey Somni why have you changed your mind on Aaron!scum?
you seemed pretty confident earlier

Somniii

[Hectic]

Nice

[Hectic]

i mean if you can't trust a Mason claim corroborated by 3 other people i don't know what to tell you

[Hectic]

Oi stop it

[Hectic]

i don't think so unless e was on an alt

[Hectic]

oh yeah that was a game lol
waiting for the Boogaloo of that

[Hectic]

oh yeah that was a game lol
waiting for the Boogaloo of that

were you an absolute riot in that game ?

was that the quintessential hectic experience

or was that more of a hectic is chillin

uhhh it was more of a "Hectic is watching all his friends get modkilled around him"
and then "getting modkilled himself" type of game
pretty standard

[Hectic]

isn't Amrun soft innoed or something?

[Hectic]

Before I go

Pasture of Friends:
Flavor Leaf
Sherlock & Watson
OkaPoka
Ankamius
TrueSoulEnergy
Pine
Somni

Lounge of Relaxation:
AaronFF (still need to meta check and he'll leave the lounge one way or another)
Gobsie
Espeonage
Amrun
Somni

Room of Waiting:
Reasonably Rational
Misty
Titus
Alisae

Field of Suspects:
Bitmap

Dead of Dead:
Spiffeh
Maki and Kaito

yeah so quite a few deepwolfs have probably infiltrated my higher tiers
seriously reevaluation is needed later

[Hectic]

Espeonage might need to be moved down to Room of Waiting actually
his presence and solving today has felt different to day 1 but i agree with Oka that his God-role claim is the thing mostly keeping him afloat
but even claiming that comes with suspicioun because why out yourself day 1
yeah move him down to the RoW actually

[Hectic]

more like heading off to work lul but yeah i'll see if i can explain it better later

[Hectic]

uhhhh let's just say he's hanging around the corridor between the Pasture and the Lounge
but i've made note of your theory an interesting thought

[Hectic]

that's so tempting honestly but i know it's incorrect in my soul

[Hectic]

the TSE part
most were townreading hum for the wheel shenanigans yesterday so the motive to completely flip his attitude is little
and his conviction for what he believes feels very genuine even if it's completely wrong
though i did miss what exactly he claimed so i need to check that lol

[Hectic]

Gobsie the whole frustration/ anger and pushing the same theory/reads over and over despite people telling him to shut up and no one listening to him
part of it is also a meta read

i'm assuming night Babysitter and day vengeful then?

[Hectic]

wow dead game

[Hectic]

isn't playing a devil's advocate the opposite of being neutral and trying to appease everyone?

[Hectic]

why do you keep forgetting that there's probably more than 3 scum total this game?
just curious

[Hectic]

i'm actually starting to feel Reasonably Rational is town based on dumb things
like not remembering which of me/Oka rolecoped who which scum would've talked about
low motive to fake ignorance about that as scum
and the description of that discord convo with their partner feels a little too real

i'll be honest the reason i "townread" them initially on day 1 is because i was very convinced they were a Mason
mainly because the whole "wow Titus, you didn't pick us"
and being ignorant about how the mason drafting worked and that Titus isn't guaranteed to get the picks she wants (RNG involved)
thought it was Mason theatre with how Titus was even playing along at times

[Hectic]

Spoiler:

Can people shut up about the mason/drafting masons talk?

Can people shut up about the mason/drafting masons talk?

@Titus: WHY ARE YOU STILL TALKING ABOUT MASONS????????

Titus stop.

I still think there's a low chance for Ali to pick FL and Pine though.

agree on Pine, but why not FL?

-S

FL is known to be a strong player and has strong relations with Alisae. I know this sounds WIFOM but there's a good chance Ali might opt to not pick FL because e thinks FL is an easy mislynch as a result. Does this mean it's confirmed that Ali didn't pick FL? No. But I'm willing to give FL a pass today and see how he plays out in D1/D2 because if he's town, he's a viable asset and I think can help us lynch scum.

Sherlock, I'm really not a big fan of your slot. You're literally skirting around and not really presenting your reasoning at all and having as I call these "sekret" reads that you can easily revert if you're wrong because you don't attract attention atm.

VOTE: Ank

FL isnt scum
Pine is like a coin toss
Let me neighbor the M&K hydra

We can lynch the reads liar how about that?

highlighted some Bitmap posts that rubbed me the wrong way
reaction to Mason talk +
calling Leafy a strong player and easy mislynch simultaneously +
weird defense of Maki/Kaito - don't think he ever calls them town or says he's townreading them but that he wants to neighbourise them[?] +
his scumhunting doesn't come across as genuine regarding the questions he decides to ask (didn't quote those posts, they're scattered) +
his explanation for reads feel a little bland though this might be a NAI thing from something i recall someone mentioning earlier

happy with this lynch

[Hectic]

to me, it looks like Ank is implying Somni starting being sus of her or actually thought she scumslipped, and they argued about it which is why she's annoyed at him
outing that after he dies last night is very strange indeed though
if Ank is scum i could see it get exhausting for her to fake solve and keep up with engaging with Somni if he was solving more in the hood than in the thread (and he was doing a lot in-thread) which is an incentive to kill him

i currently like Misty for town
maybe i'm being played by AtE but he reads as very genuine recently
Ank and Espeonage i'm sus of
Espe i will continue to be until i can see a reasonable explanation for why he outs himself as a God role with no provocation on day 1, and then proceeds to apparently get nothing out of it night 1 or 2
Ank because of *weird* play like fake reads lists and then this debacle with Somni that she's not expanding on + the moving lunches away from both Maki/Kaito and Bitmap

VOTE: Ank

Sidenote, now think draft went like:
Ank
Flavor Leaf
Sherlock & Watson
Maki & Kaito

as first 4 picks

[Hectic]

oh and i tracked Reasonably Rational last night and he killed Somni
that's something to consider too i guess

[Hectic]

that was a joke Titus please don't kill me
should i out what i did last night if i got nothing or neighbourised over tracking?

[Hectic]

huh
did he say why he did that?
what was the followup convo like?
oh i think i see what you're implying he wanted you to target him with whatever you had so he claimed scum to force the issue

[Hectic]

And the best part, it was because he was "bored."

Oh lol

[Hectic]

alright
so you mentioned earlier that Somni should ask the mod for why you're so mad at him
meaning you didn't out who you targeted in your neighbourhood
any reason for that considering it's empty so is a more practical way rather than telling him to ask the mod to find out?

also kinda surprised you wouldn't be ranting/say something to him about it there

[Hectic]

Lul also does that mean you're another JOAT

[Hectic]

oof that kind of mason WIFOMing i think is actually a bad idea but what do i know

[Hectic]

alright
so you mentioned earlier that Somni should ask the mod for why you're so mad at him
meaning you didn't out who you targeted in your neighbourhood
any reason for that considering it's empty so is a more practical way rather than telling him to ask the mod to find out?

also kinda surprised you wouldn't be ranting/say something to him about it there

any comment on this, Ank?

[Hectic]

i don't normally like "scumslips" but this one might have grounds tbh
i feel like this sort of thing can be checked if people meta Gobsie and see if they ever ever refer to town as "they" while also being town

[Hectic]

i'm too lazy to do this and should also be working so good luck whoever takes up this honorouable task!

[Hectic]

i butchered that spelling so badly

[Hectic]

i do think Misty is more likely scum than AaronFF

Pedit oh my God TSE
i prefer you when you're scum

He just slipped!
He knew I wasn’t scum!
VOTE: Hectic

Lynch!

It’s Bitmap, Chemist and Hectic!

what happened to me slipping, TSE?
why'd you drop it?

[Hectic]

i don't normally like "scumslips" but this one might have grounds tbh
i feel like this sort of thing can be checked if people meta Gobsie and see if they ever ever refer to town as "they" while also being town

Hectic what? There's no way you actually think that right?

maybe?
i can see the world where scum forget to include themselves as town
but true it is more likely that it's just another NAI thing being considered as a "scumslip"

[Hectic]

i'm undecided on this one
wouldn't put too much weight into it unless someone meta-checks Gobsie and finds they never refer to "town" as "they"

[Hectic]

Gobbles doesn't need saving btw but interesting Hectic jumped on. Gobbles was cleared by Amrun.

considered ≠ jumped

[Hectic]

Titus, are you vetoing Espeonage?
it'd really help me to see him claim and then i can elaborate on part of why i'm scumreading him

[Hectic]

How did you know you were alien'd

Cuz he's really a disloyal vig and not a cop. Lol.

I'm kidding btw

That makes sense. I'm the cop.

assumed that was a joke extending Titus joking around

[Hectic]

why Pine over Reasonably Rational/Misty who seem like the main focus/wagons right now?

[Hectic]

humhum indeed

Misty and Reasonable Rational both town easy game

[Hectic]

Ankamius and Espeonage still my top two suspects

if not them i'm not sure at the moment

i had a thought earlier that OkaPoka is one of the few people here that would actually not be surprised at all by me rolecop gambiting and has potential to predict it in the scum PT, but his reaction was towny and i'd be surprised if scum had a goon and i happened to target said goon, so eh

[Hectic]

the gambit in question (soft claiming doctor as VT) in a game which Oka frequented

[Hectic]

i'm also a little paranoid that this might have given away the fact i was gambiting given i was "expecting" scum to fakeclaim rather than if i just gunsmithed a town role
this is all paranoia though
Oka is still very likely town

[Hectic]

weird in a town or scum way for me?

[Hectic]

Misty's town because he reads as incredibly genuine today

[Hectic]

Hectic how was last night

pretty fantastic
watched Parasite which was admittedly a little weird but also kind of interesting
went in knowing nothing so it was an unexpected ride

[Hectic]

i didn't get a "no result" with my action

is it a good idea for me to claim whether i've used my tracker yet?

it's free info to scum so i think it's right for me to keep quiet unless you guys want me to claim because you're sus of me

[Hectic]

nah i don't

[Hectic]

Hectic, last chance is your claim you checked OkaPoka night 1? Got a rolecop vanilla?

ja

[Hectic]

Ank's paranoia that Gobsie was serious about the nightkill thing is actually kinda scummy btw

scum are less likely to perceive jokes and instead see them as serious when town is accusing them

[Hectic]

yeah i'm a loyal suicide-upon-success vig and targeted Ali last night

[Hectic]

i like the pokemon case a lot more

VOTE: Ankamius

[Hectic]

what's the soft guilty?
misty's action failing on Sherlock and Watson?

[Hectic]

how is Espeonage not scummier for getting nothing 2 nights in a row?
eagerly awaiting what his God role yielded last night

[Hectic]

alien roleblocks and rolestops?
can't find it on the wiki

[Hectic]

in that case Espeonage is only scum while Pine is town if Espeonage is ascetic and lied about it
barring scum aliening one of their own

[Hectic]

oh wow i've been assuming it was a weaker version of Jailkeeper which didn't protect its target
but that's much stronger since it actually commutes them

[Hectic]

so the reason why i find it sus that Espeonage gets no results 2 nights in a row is that if he's actually a God role, he should only ever claim it day 1 if the God role can't be roleblocked/Aliened in some way, otherwise, why out yourself and effectively make yourself useless in the case of a roleblocker?

[Hectic]

so the reason why i find it sus that Espeonage gets no results 2 nights in a row is that if he's actually a God role, he should only ever claim it day 1 if the God role can't be roleblocked/Aliened in some way, otherwise, why out yourself and effectively make yourself useless in the case of a roleblocker?

Why not? If scum fear they can't kill him, then they roleblock him from here to eternity if they can. The puppy in Espy's game was definitely unkillable for scum. If they found that game night 1 they'd be aware of it.

They should be out of blocks if I am correct. Despite TSE being wrong on Chemist, I still put stock in his all joats theory.

why would they fear they can't kill him?
was there reason to believe Espeonage was tough to nightkill?

the point i'm making though is why does town!Espeonage out himself as a powerful role worth roleblocking on day 1?
with no reasonable provocation as far as i can remember

[Hectic]

why are you town again, Gobsie?

[Hectic]

i'm assuming Pine checks for ascetics or alien abilities?
why not just claim at this point, Pine?

[Hectic]

Ank, let's get one those fancy non-RNGed reads lists please

[Hectic]

fair enough to both

[Hectic]

why are you town again, Gobsie?

Because I caught Bitmap.

Why are you Town?

i was scumreading Bitmap pretty much the whole game too

[Hectic]

why are you town again, Gobsie?

Because I caught Bitmap.

Why are you Town?

i was scumreading Bitmap pretty much the whole game too

This is icky.

you make me sigh, Titus

[Hectic]

Espe ascetic=can't be alien'd, and the actions on Espe would have naturally failed as well; chemist as the alien target becomes a possibility then I think?

Doesn't explain Espe's claimed action failure though.

^this

you're putting too much stock in that meaning Espe is town, Titus
and scum!Espe can just fake having his action fail

[Hectic]

Espe ascetic=can't be alien'd, and the actions on Espe would have naturally failed as well; chemist as the alien target becomes a possibility then I think?

Doesn't explain Espe's claimed action failure though.

^this

you're putting too much stock in that meaning Espe is town, Titus
and scum!Espe can just fake having his action fail

So scum Espy claims a super powerful role and calls attention to his failures on Night 1 and Night 2? His claim was made under zero pressure.

Occam's Razor says he was blocked both nights.

that's what i find the problem with though
why does town!him claim his super powerful role under no pressure on day 1 if he has potential to be blocked?

[Hectic]

huh i'm tempted to believe that just based on that crumb

[Hectic]

My actions weren't failing they were innocent results. As a cop that can be confirmed town, this is a very very strong role that I wanted scum to think I could be having protection. I apologise to the game for lying.

so you claimed you were powerful to stay alive because scum would assume you're being protected?
what about potential strongmen?

[Hectic]

this game doesn't make sense to me if Espeonage and Ank are both town
who would be scum then?

AaronFF and Reasonably Rational?

[Hectic]

thing is i can definitely see Ali laying out this plan straight out of the gate (given e decided on the scum roles and probably had a plan regarding fake claims) and making one of the scum crumb that with their first post

[Hectic]

i do think Misty is more likely scum than AaronFF

Pedit oh my God TSE
i prefer you when you're scum

He just slipped!
He knew I wasn’t scum!
VOTE: Hectic

Lynch!

It’s Bitmap, Chemist and Hectic!

what happened to me slipping, TSE?
why'd you drop it?

address this, TSE

i like the pokemon case a lot more

VOTE: Ankamius

Yeah that makes the most sense.

You and Ank are TVS.
VOTE: Ankamius

why are we TvS?
Ank was townreading me while i scumread her

[Hectic]

thing is i can definitely see Ali laying out this plan straight out of the gate (given e decided on the scum roles and probably had a plan regarding fake claims) and making one of the scum crumb that with their first post

Yeah no. We aren't moonlogicking this.

how is that moonlogic?
isn't it just having a plan for a fakeclaim?
say Espe is ascetic JOAT scum
Ali lays this plan out for him and tells him to crumb it straight away

not saying it's the most likely theory but it's not that far-fetched imo

[Hectic]

this game doesn't make sense to me if Espeonage and Ank are both town
who would be scum then?

AaronFF and Reasonably Rational?

where are you on boon rn?

-S

Boon's still town for same reasons as before +

other reasons

[Hectic]

lul i still really don't trust Espeonage

yeah I'm useless now. Which is why I hesitated claiming and claimed a few tangental things through the game. But Pine forced my hand by claiming day 1 and putting stupid demands in the thread like people needing to claim ascetic.

Completely ruined how I wanted to play this game.

how did you plan to play this game?

[Hectic]

I'm ignoring Espeonage's results.

I fully believe the role and that he's town. It will be very obvious if it's fake before it's too late.

how would it become obvious it's fake?
i can't see how it's confirmable by anyone else

[Hectic]

I'm ignoring Espeonage's results.

I fully believe the role and that he's town. It will be very obvious if it's fake before it's too late.

how would it become obvious it's fake?
i can't see how it's confirmable by anyone else

PoE would result in either a) Espy force lynch or b) Scum must shoot is clear.

by b) do you mean if Espe as scum picks 2 town and 1 fellow scum as his "clears", that can still backfire since the "scum" clear isn't getting shot?

[Hectic]

it's entirely possible that Ank can still be scum given Espe!town, since Ank sees Espe's previous two nights yield nothing from his targets, so decides not to say anything about the FN she receives, since it doesn't look like it'd be suspicious to do so

[Hectic]

it's entirely possible that Ank can still be scum given Espe!town, since Ank sees Espe's previous two nights yield nothing from his targets, so decides not to say anything about the FN she receives, since it doesn't look like it'd be suspicious to do so

Yeah no.

We're not moonlogicking this either.

Ank, why shouldn't I scumread him?

smh all my theories dismissed as "moonlogic"
i'm thinking this out aloud

[Hectic]

eh maybe Ank is town for not capitalising more on Titus scumreading me given i've been scumreading Ank for a while

[Hectic]

Scumread who?

Hectic

His early day two is the main argument I can come up with. I explained it at some point later on in that day.

I can table it for today but I hate Hectic's attempts to deny townclears.

hey you need to hypothesise this stuff even if it's just to discount it
i see nothing wrong with running through the possibilities

[Hectic]

i'm kind of lost now VOTE: Reasonably Rational ?

i townread both Sherlock/Watson and Leafy

[Hectic]

AaronFF; i just think his defence when he came on earlier and said nothing other than "I'm a mason, so back off. The claim wasn't a joke." is so weird coming from scum

[Hectic]

I felt like RR yesterday was pretty town for trying to latch onto my “slip” I don’t think scum do that given I was already basically cleared by Amrun and Titus

hmm true

i'll be honest the main reason i townread Leafy right now is because i'm convinced he's a mason lul
might as well say it at this point probably doesn't change or give any info to scum

[Hectic]

i do think Misty is more likely scum than AaronFF

Pedit oh my God TSE
i prefer you when you're scum

He just slipped!
He knew I wasn’t scum!
VOTE: Hectic

Lynch!

It’s Bitmap, Chemist and Hectic!

what happened to me slipping, TSE?
why'd you drop it?

address this, TSE

i like the pokemon case a lot more

VOTE: Ankamius

Yeah that makes the most sense.

You and Ank are TVS.
VOTE: Ankamius

why are we TvS?
Ank was townreading me while i scumread her

TrueSoulEnergy♤

[Hectic]

VC yo, VC.

VOTE: AaronFrost

Directly countering momentum in an act of naked survivalism. *shrug*
-Cerb

i thought you thought that aaronfrost is basically confscum

He is, but I see infinite value in letting confscum sit around talking while trying to preserve their life, especially when Titus is grilling them. Unfortunately, when I get to L-2 I sorta have to vote to ensure that lynch goes through instead of giving him the opportunity to live another day, no matter how much value I find there to be in whatever he might have to say.

-Cerb

you mentioned you wait a few irl days before declaring a hard guilty which is fair enough
but isn't waiting a full game day before trying to lynch someone you think is very likely scum nonoptimal?
you sacrifice a potential mislynch + nightkill to leave him around another day

[Hectic]

grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble

grumble

[Hectic]

still think the rational folks are the better lynch over AaronFF

Ankamius' argument for "RR would be doing more as scum and are probably just busy like they say" doesn't account for the fact they could also be busy as scum, so the busy-ness should be seen as NAI

everyone else seems cleared or towny in some way now
still not sold on Espeonage personally but i agree with the arguments that there's no point lynching him now rather than seeing his clears line up at endgame

[Hectic]

I'd actually be very surprised if RR was scum this game. I'm actually much more confident on them being town than I am on Flavor Leaf.

I don't know how to explain the RR read any better than I have, ultimately it comes down to me feeling like I have a pretty good idea of what's been going on in their head and that attributing to town far more often than scum.

well i can't really understand or get behind that without specifics/reasons

[Hectic]

we need to see how his flow differs from his town games also for that to hold weight Gobsie

[Hectic]

Nice

? Hurry before mod locks. What are your real reads?

Either way I've pretty much given my thoughts, so if I do end up lynched take it into consideration.

actually can you give us a shotgun list ordered top to bottom like Ank does?
explanations not required

[Hectic]

sigh AaronFF as i know him is moving on to bigger and better things in life
good luck with whatever AaronFF <3

those reads make sense to me other than Espe being up so high

[Hectic]

VOTE: RR

Only explanation I can think of for why Ali knew about the hood between me and Chemist. Scum would have to have a combined tracker/follower who targeted Chemist in order to know this otherwise, which feels unlikely given the roles that have flipped/been claimed but also Chemist would be a weird choice to target with that N1.

what about a voyeur on you?
and why is it so strange to target Misty?

[Hectic]

isn't the weird stuff of not putting technically near conftowns like Gobsie/Oka at the top more town-indicative than scum-indicative?

[Hectic]

shows lower awareness of the game state and mech stuff and he's focusing more on the reads he has in his head
where is he was scum he'd be more aware of mech stuff and conftowns

[Hectic]

Lul and why is that Leafy?

[Hectic]

thanks man i'll take your suspicion of me as a compliment
so you're mainly scumreading me for townreading mislynches but not doing enough to derail them?

[Hectic]

that's more a style (maybe lack of confidence?) thing
i'm not gonna go shouting or pushing for people to stop voting someone but will voice my thoughts on my read and hope that convinces people
you can see this in any of my previous games

[Hectic]

isn't the weird stuff of not putting technically near conftowns like Gobsie/Oka at the top more town-indicative than scum-indicative?

shows lower awareness of the game state and mech stuff and he's focusing more on the reads he has in his head
where is he was scum he'd be more aware of mech stuff and conftowns

isn't this trying to convince people that AaronFF is town though?

[Hectic]

hmm why did you decide to present these thoughts just as i started defending AaronFF with that point?

[Hectic]

isn't the weird stuff of not putting technically near conftowns like Gobsie/Oka at the top more town-indicative than scum-indicative?

isn't the weird stuff of not putting technically near conftowns like Gobsie/Oka at the top more town-indicative than scum-indicative?

VOTE: Hectic

shows lower awareness of the game state and mech stuff and he's focusing more on the reads he has in his head
where is he was scum he'd be more aware of mech stuff and conftowns

I’m quoting the post for dramatic effect, that’s a solid post.


However, I’ve been about 95% sure Hectic’s scum for a few days now, I just needed more out of my RR/Ank pushin

the timing of this is actually a little sus
your reasoning for me being scum is letting mislynches happen
but you decide to reveal everythign after i specifically

don't

do that
rather than waiting to see if i continue to try and derail the AaronFF lynch

[Hectic]

lul it's actually somewhat hilarious seeing all this preflip solving
also how dare you assume i would fall into the rule of 3 trap no way Jose
i'm gonna sleep
answer my questions on the timing thing after you've finished with all this Leafy

[Hectic]

well i don't know what to tell you
i've just been saying whatever's on my mind for this game

why did you choose to reveal the case at this specific moment?

[Hectic]

that vote had nothing to do with what TSE said
i don't remember why i did at that moment but i'm like 99% i wasn't convinced to vote Misty because of anything TSE said

[Hectic]

huh i'm more confused than anything right now
going for real this time

[Hectic]

lul it's actually somewhat hilarious seeing all this preflip solving
also how dare you assume i would fall into the rule of 3 trap no way Jose
i'm gonna sleep
answer my questions on the timing thing after you've finished with all this Leafy

Hmm this post is scummy. Have you ever referenced the rule of 3 before?

don't remember but i've seen you in particular bring it up a few times like in that Team Mafia game

Hectic, why did you react with such a Luke warm response to MK’s claim when you have the same exact role?
Why did you reveal your result on Oka on Day 2 as opposed to waiting?

was it lukewarm?
i remember thinking there's

probably not

two town JOATs and saying something like "Maki/Kaito should be hammered"

[Hectic]

Hectic, why did you react with such a Luke warm response to MK’s claim when you have the same exact role?
Why did you reveal your result on Oka on Day 2 as opposed to waiting?

idk i just wanted to pull the gambit
are you suggesting doing it later on on day 2 would've been better?
in hindsight i actually should've declared the guilty while Oka was online and actively posting so i could guarantee a good reaction that he hasn't prepared for with his team

Hectic also getting a guilty on RR with the gunsmith is something. I think that could be indicative of ScumHectic/TownRR.

I thought the guilty was a joke because RR is ascetic.

yeah that obviously was a joke which i've clarified like 4 times now lol

[Hectic]

To be honest, I alluded to this earlier, but Hectic’s play around my “slip” was the worst of the people who reacted to it. He was very fence sitty whereas everyone else took a hard line approach that it was either a slip or not a slip.

i always have two stances with slips
either they're obviously

not a slip

or they

could be a slip

but i'm not sure
i never think anything is obviously a slip unless it's clearly something that was meant for the scum PT or something like that
i'm talking about semantic slips
your one was unsure but could be worth something with a meta check

[Hectic]

I do think AF is scum, but Hectic scum does make sense given his play. Honestly looking at the PList, Hectic is someone I would draft but that’s just me.

I would draft Hectic probably too.

lul i literally had 0 scum wins when this game started
i had 1 completed scum game which ended in a jester victory

[Hectic]

Cuz Hectic was hard hard pocketing AF.

townreading != pocketing

-S

^^^

[Hectic]

uhh right claims
rolecop tracker neighbouriser as i said

rolecop Oka night 1: vanilla
track Somni night 2: went nowhere
night 3: forgot to submit an action...

probably would've neighbourised Ank since she was my biggest scumread at the time

[Hectic]

reasoning for tracking Somni was because i looked back and he this whole case on AaronFF scum and was hard pushing but then seemed to drop it far too easily and his switch onto Bitmap kinda looked like a bus in that it had little reasoning but he suddenly just adopted the stance of "Bitmap is probably scum and the best lynch"

[Hectic]

i'm not mean you're mean

[Hectic]

Hectic, do you think your wagon is a town driven wagon or a scum one? Who is scum?

TSE, why are you not as active?

still think Leafy is probably town but this reduces the confidence of my read on him significantly
i guess Reasonably Rational + Espe/Ank?

idk i just wanted to pull the gambit
are you suggesting doing it later on on day 2 would've been better?
in hindsight i actually should've declared the guilty while Oka was online and actively posting so i could guarantee a good reaction that he hasn't prepared for with his team

Well, as far as gambits go, yes, getting a live reaction is important. In this setup, reducing Ali’s POE for masons is also important. Your gambit made it more likely that both you and Oka are not masons unless you’re masons together.

If Ali knows one of you is not a mason, then Ali knows the other is not a mason.

yeah fair

[Hectic]

lul Leafy outed us Aaron
Maki/Kaito should be hammered

this was my reaction when i saw their JOAT claim Gobsie

[Hectic]

they were gonna die at that point
nothing more was needed

[Hectic]

Hectic will you be around for another half hour or so? We have entered The Inquisition

was just about to sign off but i'll be back in an hour and a half probably

[Hectic]

uhh right claims
rolecop tracker neighbouriser as i said

rolecop Oka night 1: vanilla
track Somni night 2: went nowhere
night 3: forgot to submit an action...

probably would've neighbourised Ank since she was my biggest scumread at the time

If u don't die today u should hood someone that hadn't had mech actions succeed on them yet

-S

alright noted

[Hectic]

Knives Out was great!
basically a mafia movie
i predicted the plot twist really early on though

[Hectic]

i always have two stances with slips
either they're obviously

not a slip

or they

could be a slip

but i'm not sure
i never think anything is obviously a slip unless it's clearly something that was meant for the scum PT or something like that
i'm talking about semantic slips
your one was unsure but could be worth something with a meta check

You wanna see a scumslip HecticMFHectic? Read it and wince for me.

Also I don't think that's a meta thing as much as you think it is? I think it's just how he worded that particular sentence.

lul i read through that game
i thought that was you intentionally claiming in thread?
didn't even realise that was meant for the scum PT

[Hectic]

lul i literally had 0 scum wins when this game started

And now you have scum meta thanks to me

PEDIT: Nope, that was actually meant for the scum PT I just wasn't paying the fuck attention when I posted that.

you're the best
wouldn't even mind if you've completely bamboozled me as scum

[Hectic]

I have nothing to hide

want me to talk about my Neapolitan check on you last night?

[Hectic]

Your read on Oka seems to go from scumreading them to not as strongly scumreading them. But you maintain a strong scumread on Bitmap and Spiffeh. Why did you choose to target Oka over people like Spiffeh and Bitmap?

can't remember for sure Gobsie but i do remember the way Oka fake hammered Maki/Kaito but then didn't have a reaction to their fake response, but continued questioning them felt like he was looking around for opinions to see if anyone would buy it before taking a stance himself
that's mainly what tipped the scale i think

[Hectic]

We must look a little closer. And when we do, we see that the doughnut hole has a hole in its center. It is not a doughnut hole, but a smaller doughnut with its own hole, and our doughnut is not holed at all!

[Hectic]

Hectic how do you feel about the word 'nitpicky'?

-S

it's a pretty nitpicky word
i don't have a AI feeling of it

[Hectic]

Is that it just neighborizer

Bc thats jack of one trade

Is the theme ascetic or thats town only power

Cop me please lets find another path

Titus titus call the shot

Hammer or not

Make pick you realize im also putting my life in your hands titus

VOTE: mako kaito

F

[Hectic]

that was what influenced me to pick you over Bitmap or others i was scumreading
wasn't the sole reason
Aaron was a townread

[Hectic]

oof that kind of mason WIFOMing i think is actually a bad idea but what do i know

Hectic why was this a bad idea

because Titus knows who the masons and her WIFOM could be examined for inconsistencies or whatever
just think it's an extra layer of something scum can examine that that isn't necessary
i mean Ali posting is fun and all but i do think it's overall advantageous to town

[Hectic]

lul i know i felt real useless when Somni died the same night i tracked him

[Hectic]

oof that kind of mason WIFOMing i think is actually a bad idea but what do i know

Hectic why was this a bad idea

because Titus knows who the masons and her WIFOM could be examined for inconsistencies or whatever
just think it's an extra layer of something scum can examine that that isn't necessary
i mean Ali posting is fun and all but i do think it's overall advantageous to town

You thought this was a bad idea, yet didn’t think claiming Day 2 and outting another person was a bad idea?

hmmm
i just really wanted to pull the gambit
the result of "Vanilla" felt useless and i wanted to make something out of it

[Hectic]

Hectic, what does the Lounge of relaxation roughly translate to in scumhunting language?

townlean

[Hectic]

well i already explained what changed my opinion after all that Gobsie

[Hectic]

reasoning for tracking Somni was because i looked back and he this whole case on AaronFF scum and was hard pushing but then seemed to drop it far too easily and his switch onto Bitmap kinda looked like a bus in that it had little reasoning but he suddenly just adopted the stance of "Bitmap is probably scum and the best lynch"

[Hectic]

Good stuff, Gobb, I’m actually extremely confident with ScumHectic at this point.

sigh it's stuff like this that makes me far less confident on you
i feel like you've seen enough of my town game to not be this wrong

[Hectic]

Good stuff, Gobb, I’m actually extremely confident with ScumHectic at this point.

sigh it's stuff like this that makes me far less confident on you
i feel like you've seen enough of my town game to not be this wrong

Where?

Where have I seen enough of your town game?

Link 2 completed games, please.

3 but they were all pretty gimmick-less (well one started off wiki obsessed but resolved to normal play later) and this has been very similar

[Hectic]

nah i still think you're more likely town than not but your overconfidence sure does make it tempting to scumread you despite logic saying otherwise
games are the game where you got guiltied by Chemist
the game as Rick Dalton
and one other i just realised i shouldn't have mentioned

[Hectic]

Oof. Hectic committed the same tell that Bitmap did.

VOTE: Hectic

sigh whatever this game takes up the time of like 3 other games lul

[Hectic]

literally all of your preflip solving is useless once i flip town

[Hectic]

Hectic what do you think of Pine?

-S

huh i actually forgot he was in the game (at least for today) haven't thought of him for a while

[Hectic]

idk like a scumlean based on PoE?

here's a gut list based on memory rn:

Gobsie, Oka
Sherlock/Watson
AaronFF
Leafy
Ank
Espe
Pine, Reasonably Rational

[Hectic]

RR, Hectic, or AF.

Awesome, RR/Hectic confirmed to be TVS.

Kill Hectic.

do you actually believe this based on Ali's post?

[Hectic]

Actually, especially if you are town, Krazy should not be that high, he has poorly defended you in a manner where if you’re town, and you aren’t hard hard scum reading me, you should se me as badtunneling, and Krazy as taking advantage of said tunnel.

lul this is a good point actually

Sherlock why do you seem to be okay with this?

[Hectic]

also i'm assuming Gobsie is cleared in some way but i do dislike them going from firm townbloc on me to voting me

[Hectic]

lul this is a good point actually

Sherlock why do you seem to be okay with this?

oh okay do you want to die

if you think me saying "he's mason" to boon when he's pushing you is a bad defense then I'm happy to show you what me not supporting you looks like

-S

i appreciate it lol but saying "he's mason" isn't gonna change anyone's minds i don't think

giving reasons/showing posts would be helpful

[Hectic]

i appreciate it lol but saying "he's mason" isn't gonna change anyone's minds i don't think

giving reasons/showing posts would be helpful

reasons don't help with boon

have you read his posts or played with him

you either shut him down full stop or you don't

making productive arguments just makes him stomp his feet and shout louder

-S

i've never been on the receiving end and it is i guess not so surprisingly frustrating
the annoying thing is that he's convinced half the town

[Hectic]

well i'm going to sleep
put me as V/LA until 29th won't be reading the thread until then
wouldn't mind at all if i was lynched before then because this is kinda getting frustrating
look into Espeonage more who's been perfectly happy sitting back today and his vote on me earlier with lack of reasons was really bad
still think Sherlock/Watson and AaronFF are town

[Hectic]

Oof. Hectic committed the same tell that Bitmap did.

VOTE: Hectic

insomnia sucks (not the player, he's cool)
this kept bugging me so gonna reply to it now
i was the one who kept pushing Bitmap for being paranoid about Titus talking about masons
however Bitmap overreacted when Titus talked about simply how Mason drafting worked without using any player names
i mentioned it was a bad idea when Titus literally went throught the whole player list talking about how likely some were to be masons and why others couldn't
there's a big difference there and it annoys me that you don't see that

[Hectic]

also i'm actually getting townpings now off of how lost it feels like Ank is
and her posts feel unfiltered and can be seen as scummy but that's just how town looks when they're putting thoughts out without caring about how towny they look

[Hectic]

Reasonably Rational called AaronFFrost confirmed scum yet has done very little to convince others of this
I'm not superbly confident of anyone flipping scum but they are a decent lynch

[Hectic]

are you really accusing me of pity appealing as town?
i'm just trying to be as transparent as possible right now i don't know why you're accusing me of lying

while

being town
you frustrate me greatly Titus and i'd think you were scum right now if you weren't the town treestump

[Hectic]

oof this is unhealthy
apologies i'm signing off attempt numero dos at sleep

Pedit:
lul alright
my 30 sec readlsit is:
Oka
Gobsie
Sherlock/Watson
AaronFF
Leafy, Ankamius
Pine
Espeonage
Reasonably Rational

changed my mind on Pine again after remembering the ascetic thign and claiming he was gonna tryhard this game because he'll die early and then not doing that, more likely lazy town than scum doing... what?

[Hectic]

ok bye bye

[Hectic]

you're the MVP, Sherlock <3
don't know how you managed to derail my lynch and onto scum nonetheless

[Hectic]

i neighbourised Leafy and it succeeded

[Hectic]

Leafy's play day 1 doesn't make a lot of sense as scum
he could push either Sherlock or Maki/Kaito and decides to hard push his scum buddy?
though it's very tempting to BoP him for hard scumreading me and hard townreading AaronFF

[Hectic]

I mean - that's why he got a pass early on but then he started scum reading me specifically and defending Aaron so...

~W

yeah, you're right
scum is Leafy>Espeonage>Reasonably Rational>TSE in that order, i think

TSE's focus on the insomnia kill being odd for AaronFF, when it's quite apparent he was solving and a strong player and a good kill regardless is bad
but he seems resigned to be lynched and vig someone so he's probably still town
might still be optimal to lynch him though because of the vengekill

[Hectic]

for now VOTE: Leafy

[Hectic]

I feel like there's a nonzero chance TSE is being this belligerent about vengeing espe because he's the last scum

^^^
i feel like he's hoping he's not lynched today due to being stubborn about vengeful the wrong target

[Hectic]

but he loses either way in that case
even if we lynch Leafy today, we lynch him tomorrow

[Hectic]

Hectic is town, don’t go hectic ever lol.

Lul, you're funny

[Hectic]

VOTE: TSE
if you've agreed to vengekilling Leafy, let's do this, TSE

[Hectic]

Hectic is town, don’t go hectic ever lol.

Lul, you're funny

AF flipped scum. I specifically said 1 of you or AF not both, What’s funny.

I’m just vanilla

well, sure, based on your draft spec. but you had an abundance of other reasons unrelated to that for me being scum

[Hectic]

I mean - that's why he got a pass early on but then he started scum reading me specifically and defending Aaron so...

~W

yeah, you're right
scum is Leafy>Espeonage>Reasonably Rational>TSE in that order, i think

TSE's focus on the insomnia kill being odd for AaronFF, when it's quite apparent he was solving and a strong player and a good kill regardless is bad
but he seems resigned to be lynched and vig someone so he's probably still town
might still be optimal to lynch him though because of the vengekill

oh i just realised i forgot Pine existed again when making this list
Leafy>Pine>TSE>Espeonage>Reasonably Rational

both Espeonage and Reasonably Rational wagoned AaronFF over me towards the end yesterday

[Hectic]

there we never any Titus masons were there?
Spiffeh was just a decoy solo mason
i knew all along

[Hectic]

there were never any Titus masons were there?
Spiffeh was just a decoy solo mason
i knew all along

ebwop

[Hectic]

UNVOTE: TSE

Oka's right

[Hectic]

I think TSE should venge Hectic

TSE vengekills RR
if game continues, Pine checks Leafy
Pine dies if he's town
in that case we lynch Leafy

[Hectic]

if we get that far and after you lynch me:
it's one of Espeonage/Ankamius for sure at that point

it's entirely possible Ankamius predicts the Friendly Neighbour thing and doesn't claim she received anything from Espeonage; especially considering Espeonage's earlier targets didn't claim to receive anything, and Espe didn't seem particularly bothered about that (he wasn't jumping to scumread them)

Espeonage could also be lying about the whole weird friendly neighbour role

[Hectic]

Gobsie what is wrong with you

[Hectic]

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

[Hectic]

UPDATE: It turns out that everything was Hectic's fault. Thanks MathBlade for helping us work it out!

what'd i do??

[Hectic]

Btw, massclaim starts with Hectic because he's gobble's biggest unclaimed suspect. Hectic will popcorn to his, so on and so forth.

i no longer have any secrets
you've already pried everything out of me

[Hectic]

i no longer have any secrets
you've already pried everything out of me

obvious lie

how do you keep your moustache looking that snazzy?

-S

ah, now that my friend, is a family treasure, passed down for generations

[Hectic]

Btw, massclaim starts with Hectic because he's gobble's biggest unclaimed suspect. Hectic will popcorn to his, so on and so forth.

i no longer have any secrets
you've already pried everything out of me

Then just restate it for my edification. What you did each night and your shots.

J-word containing the abilities neighbouriser, rolecop, tracker

N1: rolecopped OogleBoogle - vanilla
N2: tracked Somni - visited no one
N3: galaxy brain no action

may have forgotten

N4: neighbourised Leafy

[Hectic]

gut tells me it's Ankamius
she feels desperate not to be lynched and while knowing we win if she finds 2 other town in the 4, she's not putting effort in to explain which are town and why, to possibly win that way if she does get lynched

Ankamius, did you crumb your J-word this game?
specifically the watcher part

[Hectic]

oh so the argument is that the night 4 no kill suggested Reasonably Rational protected someone with their bodyguard, but they still had their 1-shot bulletproof since they didn't die to the TrueSoulEnergy vengekill
so we know scum must have no killed, and there's a lot more reason for Reasonably Rational to do that then any other scum who doesn't even know Reasonably Rational's role at that point
i understand now

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

[Hectic]

Can we please feed the blood gods? They're hungry. They don't care about pride.

hope they like rations

(L-1)

[Hectic]

doesn't neighbourising the same night as a kill make me less sketch because i'd have to be multitasking?
or do you mean no kill?

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

Sadness.

Pretty sure we lost this the moment Maki and Kaito were lynched.

stop pocketing me pls

[Hectic]

tfw only mislynch (the vengeful lynch doesn’t count)

i townread you <3

[Hectic]

4. Hectic
Pros: He has a limited pool of knowledge but not going to draw attention, very low drama
Cons: Easier mislynch in this type of game

nice, this is the roast i was craving

[Hectic]

4. Hectic
Pros: He has a limited pool of knowledge but not going to draw attention, very low drama
Cons: Easier mislynch in this type of game

nice, this is the roast i was craving

The knowledge was like meta knowledge of me :/ They are rough notes sorry

lul it's all good
this was a lot of fun, you did a great job leading the town

[Hectic]

would love to see Alisae's reasoning for eir scum picks but i couldn't find them

[Hectic]

a mountainous draft game