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Why?
This post is strangely cordial in a way I've yet to see from you in games. Is this something I should be worrying about from you?In post 91, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:Hello!
I just noticed how much of an explosive playerlist we have here. Like, all of the players from my lovely dreams and worst nightmares are here! I mean it in a positive sense though (looking at nacho and prism )
So, people who have already played with me, please let me know if you are town as soon as possible so that we can start a healthy and productive relationship. I'll read what you have written early and ask you questions.
Also nice to meet you to all the other people. Don't worry, i'll be bothering you soon enough.
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I've played with DeathRowKitty twice that I am aware of. The last time was at least two years ago, and every time I've ever played with her was as town against her scumgame. I wouldn't say I understand her playstyle very well, no.In post 107, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:
Yeah, i mean, do you know who those players are, have you ever played with them?In post 105, Blake X Yang wrote:I know who every head of every hydra is. It's in the opening post.
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I don't know who John Cena is.
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be still my heart <3
I'll give you a hint who this head is,In post 48, Feminist Blocc wrote:also holy fuck this is gonna be confusing i have no idea who is part of what hydra
VOTE: egospray
except for this one
-DDatisi.
omg,ruby/weissyou aren't in this slot gtfo
Evaluate mine andIn post 59, Disaster Artists wrote:In that case I insist you accept the day 1 masonry before I am forced to evaluate your alignment
-JCBlake'scause we aren't getting pocketed Page 6... or I'm not.Blakeisn't a concern in this department.
Give me the juicy details ofDat-Austown and the majestic creatures that areFarkranandInsomnia.
In post 75, Despair Night wrote:First person to type their hydra heads in their location or somewhere I can read it gets a town lean.
@ me when you do it.
~somHi, my name isYang, how are you?
What's scummy about promoting conversation? Also, I'm not a hydra, I'm aIn post 77, egospray wrote:I am not a Hydra. Two people have fused their egos to create me.
VOTE: despair night
I think your statement pagetop here is scummy.toucananime girl.
One that like's women.
Ooh, I like the forcefulness.
yo, we haven't played before but I get the impression that your tone is very unique so I need to focus on meta + consistent interactions to solve you, so yeah.In post 91, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:Hello!
I just noticed how much of an explosive playerlist we have here. Like, all of the players from my lovely dreams and worst nightmares are here! I mean it in a positive sense though (looking at nacho and prism )
So, people who have already played with me, please let me know if you are town as soon as possible so that we can start a healthy and productive relationship. I'll read what you have written early and ask you questions.
Also nice to meet you to all the other people. Don't worry, i'll be bothering you soon enough.
-Farkran
Search for a toucan if you want to meta me.
I love you.In post 96, Unapologetically Foxy wrote:Hi friends and others, I'm really excited to play this with y'all This is a really good playerlist and with some really fun things I've never seen before. I'm very hype to see how it all plays out. Will catch you all again tomorrow <3
Love you all and your faces,
~xoffy
Don't worry. I have a STRONG idea of who their main is.In post 116, Despair Night wrote:Selling JC's identity for 100 in-game dollars. I need that vig shot. It's what I live for.
~som
They're a solid townlean, but not just yet. Got two other people I'm sorting well a lot at the moment.
I like you.In post 121, Despair Night wrote:No but I might if I see questions like those again
~Ms Despair, apparently
Disagree with the first statement. I didn't see a specific question you posed to their reads either.In post 127, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:A wolf would definitely purchase a vig shot. That's pretty much the best possible item in the list for them.
Honestly though now it's your questions that look inconclusive. I asked you for reads, and you're refusing to answer. I see no reason for you to hold back on your thoughts.
-Farkran
pedit: agreed
VOTE: despair night
hey,Despair Night, we demand reads. Please and thank you.
You seeFarkran, your manners are important, without them, you can't proper infiltrate a town for information and then powerlynch them.
Do you have any reads?
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135 explain the bad entrance and follow-up ofDespair Night? AndMKbeing town. Do you have experience with those heads?-
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oohdespair nightis probably town, unless I'm just jumping into their pocket but dwBlakewill save me
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I just don't feel any pull to see thatThe Searchers wrote:
It just reads fake. Like 49 and 94 look like they're trying just a little too hard to exude towniness. I don't like 128 either.In post 140, Blake X Yang wrote:135 explain the bad entrance and follow-up of Despair Night? And MK being town. Do you have experience with those heads?
Mk on the other hand does not read fake. Farkran seems authentic, like in 91
No I have no experience with either.
scDNis fake. Yeah, you could argue his posts are fruitless, but he just gave a solid read when I interacted with him.
Also,Insomnia'snot beholden to throw reads out unless he believes there to be a reason to, which I think is more town-indicative in a game that will be swollen with nothing but conflicting arguments very soon, if not already at this point. If anything, them"trying to exude towniness"is really just joking, or a means to test reactions - that's how I read the openers.
AndFarkranhas a tone and playstyle that reminds me A LOT of my newb-mafia games. Like, nearly same person vibes off the bat.
So, I want them to spew. We can townspew together or they scumspew and I townspew them into oblivion.
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For someone doubling down on an early-game scumread, it's even more obvious for you to create a preflip associative around that.In post 145, egospray wrote:yang x dn scum i ship it
It's a bit sloppy.
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Can you elaborate onThe Searchers wrote:Yeah it could just be joking around but it felt more off than that to me. But I don't know them at all so it could be nothing I suppose. I'm less concerned with their disinterest in dropping reads. Especially if that's just insomnia's meta.
What do you mean by saying Farkran's tone/playstyle reminds you of your newb mafia games?
P-edit: @Yang"off"?
Yeah, I'll meta-checkInsomniabut that's my initial take on it.
And, I guess I'll give you my meta games soon?? I got breakfast to eat, boi. You can meta my earliest games.
Just very detailed replies, no matter how little the situation is. Very refined and sticks to certain topics longer before creating an assessment. That's how I feel aboutFarkran. What I want to know, if that's AI, and how.-
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Same feels toward theIn post 404, Black Hole Defection wrote:At some point pops will give me reads to work with and bounce off of too, that'll be neat.
-PrismBlakehead, there's going to be a lot to filter when evaluating the thread critically. I've only been in two games ever that are as fast in posting as this.
I have about 5-6 reads total, but I feel good about them overall.
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Then give me a very concise summary of it all, because I cannot keep up at this pace and provide qUaLiTy PlAy.In post 589, Disaster Artists wrote:
This is the most content rich game in historyIn post 584, Blake X Yang wrote:this game is wild holy shit
also, are these past 15-20 pages filler? honest question.
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I'm doing the opposite of contributing to the problem.In post 596, Black Hole Defection wrote:Yang: Why are you posting all of this and contributing to the problem you're describing?
And Hectic, I don't see why you can't elaborate on the egospray progression.
-Prism
By displaying my loss at following the thread, I'm figuring out who is willing to sort with a slot, work with a slot, or exclusively look for reasons to suspect a slot. I'm also seeing how the most active players perceive the game so I can give context to their thought process, and assess them with more confidence.
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If I can't engage by reading 20+ pages that boomed out of nowhere, then I'm taking a much more conversational approach to adapt, at least until I have a better handle of more than just a handful of players.
I think not looking into my push for content a second deeper is a very surface level mentality, and I'm weeding that out because it's a reason why the game is so dense. Namely, if people are more talkative, then they either provide tons of content or none at all - and it's very likely AI. That's how I sort in this situation.
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Disaster Artists wrote:Maybe but everyone would be more excited to see your spicy hot takes without guidance
-JCSpeakeris town, I've never encounteredIrcherwith this level of content that isn't town of him. A lot of his reads aren't the most popular at first glance, at least in my agreement with him, but he's not enforcing his will upon others, so I think he's town here. He's not aligning to a specific thought process and constructing his own.
Night Despairfelt town for reasons I've already mentioned. I don't follow the suspicion on him and I enjoyed some of their entrance posting, tbh.
You're very likely town to me because you're consistently in the thread but are finding means to sort - this is reinforced by who I think you are,Cena. I figured you wouldn't have such a conversational tone and sort in a scum POV because you're capable of devising very nuanced plans.
Unapologetic Foxyactually felt town off first glance but that could be me misreading their personal vibe as AI. Through scampering the thread before it got larger earlier, I found that they townread this hydra -and I want them to elaborate on why.Since they supported someone who 1/2 of the hydra didn't agree with one of the first wagons of the game, I want to know what about this hydra's content is appealing.
Farkran Hydrais harder to follow since multiple people with experience have expressed confusion in relation to their vibe - my other headBlakeincluded. I like their consistent posting for content but I think they focus on details a bit much, and I'd like to become more conversational with them when it's more possible. I don't have a strong pull on this hydra either way, but I do not care for the other head saying"guess I'll have to obvtown"at some point, seemed defensive in nature.
I'm kind of sadHecticdied, I wanted to see why he feltFarkran hydra/This hydrawas town, since both of us didn't have a clarified read on the other even after a subtle exchange.
Also, I greatly abhor people discussing post restrictions. It solves nothing. It's NAI.
Have not liked anything I've seen ofego, they've been present but not doing much. I disliked their associative ofNight Despair/this hydrabecause I didn't feel convinced by the push there? Yeah, not stellar reasoning, but it's something. I want to communicate with my head before doing a push, ideally.
Everyone pushingPopsto die for winning the game feels very weird, and I want the reasoning explained.
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I've seen him be so technical as town 368, I will say, my meta experience is weak, but that's my thinking. I don't think he has any specific agenda because nobody is a clear, solid town or scumread for him. For a player that takes things more at surface value, a game like this would generate a lack of certainty or a more specific voice for his playstyle.In post 607, Equitable Androids wrote:Regardless, I want to put Hectic as town for now. That's regardless of if his PR is real or fake. I pulled that stunt twice with no mod requirement. There's a difference to it as alignments go imo.
Blake X Yang, How are you distinguishing content versus volume? My theory on Ircher is partially he's putting out words that say nothing.
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I was scum.Elemental Large,yessireewas the mod. It was awhile back. An Open. Don't have the time or desire to dig but I can.
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Don't gawk. Explain...In post 609, Imperium wrote:In post 605, Blake X Yang wrote:Everyone pushing Pops to die for winning the game feels very weird, and I want the reasoning explained.
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Spoiler: Titus Quote
I think I likeTitusfor town and my god, is that unusual.
But yeah, it's not the strongest or most articulate read ever, but it's enough to not make me want to hardpush atm.
Spoiler: Imperium Quote
Want to still 1v1? ;P DO you have any takes/reads?
jesus, this is why I'm cautious with joining Larges...In post 617, Cappy wrote:
Taly, do you mean this?In post 614, Cappy wrote:In post 605, Blake X Yang wrote:I'm kind of sad Hectic died, I wanted to see why he felt Farkran hydra/This hydra was town, since both of us didn't have a clarified read on the other even after a subtle exchange.
'Cause this was me, not Hectic. And we're not dead!!In post 373, Cappy wrote:I'm townreading Mikoto & Kuroko and Blake and can't remember Taly's name
- Silver Bullet
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So, can you help me readFarkran? Or follow me through your thought process there?
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Accept my pocket onto you already, damnit.
Is it a poor approach for me to focus on townreading people rather than pushing?
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i literally came back into this game to try solving a bit around 2 hours ago and saw that 4+ people died and it wasn't too clear who, so I figured since I mentioned a good bit of people in my initial readslist someone was dead.
or at least i think? that Russian Roulette thing subverted my expectations of this game in a good manner.
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OOOOF.Equitable Androids wrote:
They didn't die in game, only in the event.In post 640, Blake X Yang wrote:i literally came back into this game to try solving a bit around 2 hours ago and saw that 4+ people died and it wasn't too clear who, so I figured since I mentioned a good bit of people in my initial readslist someone was dead.
or at least i think? that Russian Roulette thing subverted my expectations of this game in a good manner.
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Going now.
~Titus
Guess I'll reread some things...
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I am caught up.
Imperium is town. I'm familiar enough with Tammy to believe that her posting is more likely to come from town than scum.
Spiffybringer is town. Spiffeh's approach to the game doesn't look scum motivated.
Latias and Latios is town. I strongly suspect that I'd be catching on to them by now if they were scum with how much they're posting and how relevant a lot of it is.
Disaster Artists is likely town. I'm not necessarily locktowning them at this point like I feel I should be if they are town, but I don't believe that indicates scum either.
Unapologetically Foxy is likely town through my personality read on Xofelf, but I notably have only seen her play once in recent memory that I am aware of.
The Searchers is likely town. This is a gutread from SirCakez' posting.
Cappy is likely town. I don't get the impression that the hydra would be playing the way they are if they rolled scum this game.
NL, Smol Might, Flavortown, Egospray, Feminist Blocc, Equitable Androids, and Black Hole Defection are slots I'm not expressly townreading or scumreading.
Despair Night is a slight scumread.
Mikoto and Kuroko are a moderate to strong scumread.
VOTE: Mikoto and Kuroko
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You appear to have forgotten how Blake thinks.In post 715, Disaster Artists wrote:
Blake knows that if she lies about how spicy she is I will knowIn post 713, Imperium wrote:why do you keep using the word spicy
I don't understand why it bothers me but it does.
and not in like a "ooh, scummy" type of way but a "why does this person keep using this word" kind of way
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Sometimes I wonder whether you like teasing me in games for the hell of it or not. This is one of those times.In post 728, Disaster Artists wrote:What, no little splashes of Alyssa even?
anyway should I be concerned that I almost entirely agree with your reads list
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It's rather blunt, but his identity is unlikely to be of use to you if you can't confidently place it by this stage.In post 736, Imperium wrote:hey JC who is your main?
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Blake Belladonna is an Alyssa The Lamb alt.
You would know me as Ankamius.
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In post 752, Imperium wrote:god I actually feel old right now
I apologize if I am the or part of the cause of this.In post 753, Imperium wrote:I think probably for the second time in my life I legitimately feel old
Hello! It's nice to see you again in a game where I'm not an active detriment.In post 757, Imperium wrote:again i'm sorry for the excessive spam but i'm gonna log onto my main and try to find you now that i'm caught in my feelings
also hi Alyssa!!! now that I know you're a person that I actually know!!!
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You've forgotten Baton Pass already, I see.In post 764, Imperium wrote:
I mean everybody fucks up sometimes and that's okayIn post 760, Disaster Artists wrote:alyssa you have never been a detriment in your entire life
I've definitely shit the bed a couple times back in my day
Alyssa simply hasn't done it in front of me yet which is kind of impressive considering the # of games we've played together
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I will probably go into why I scumread Mikoto and Kuroko later today. It mostly depends on whether my motivation for mafia maintains itself throughout the day.
I will note that I am untested with Farkran's scumgame and I have an inconsistent record at reading Bitmap, but I still believe that from what I know of how they play, both their approaches look more likely to come from a scum PM than a town PM.
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In post 777, Imperium wrote:
as I've alluded to earlier today I think that farkran tries to carry himself through scumgames through sheer willpower - he's willing to press ridiculous angles or drop bullshit reasoning on a whim despite his town game actually being pretty reasonable/badassIn post 775, Blake X Yang wrote:I will probably go into why I scumread Mikoto and Kuroko later today. It mostly depends on whether my motivation for mafia maintains itself throughout the day.
I will note that I am untested with Farkran's scumgame and I have an inconsistent record at reading Bitmap, but I still believe that from what I know of how they play, both their approaches look more likely to come from a scum PM than a town PM.
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It's entirely possible.In post 778, Imperium wrote:I get the same vibes from his game this game with the caveat that tammy told me that it gets better before she passed out and also i'm incredibly drunk so maybe i'm not looking at the game as closely as I should be but I have ~great expectations~ surrounding that slot and so far they haven't delivered
I mainly bring up the untested bit with Farkran because I've played with him twice so far, although both times he was scumreading me early and consistently I was also able to correctly determine him as town early on both times.
This game, it's possible I'm allowing his wait and see approach regarding my slot to color my opinion of him more than it should, but I've gotten no impression from his posts that his mindset is how he says he approaches every game.
Bitmap, as well, feels very similar to how he did in Titus vs Alisae. I mistakenly attributed it to him being a mason in that game, but there is no stick excuse here.
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Thanks for the hit list.In post 670, Blake X Yang wrote:I am caught up.
Imperium is town. I'm familiar enough with Tammy to believe that her posting is more likely to come from town than scum.
Spiffybringer is town. Spiffeh's approach to the game doesn't look scum motivated.
Latias and Latios is town. I strongly suspect that I'd be catching on to them by now if they were scum with how much they're posting and how relevant a lot of it is.
Disaster Artists is likely town. I'm not necessarily locktowning them at this point like I feel I should be if they are town, but I don't believe that indicates scum either.
Unapologetically Foxy is likely town through my personality read on Xofelf, but I notably have only seen her play once in recent memory that I am aware of.
The Searchers is likely town. This is a gutread from SirCakez' posting.
Cappy is likely town. I don't get the impression that the hydra would be playing the way they are if they rolled scum this game.
NL, Smol Might, Flavortown, Egospray, Feminist Blocc, Equitable Androids, and Black Hole Defection are slots I'm not expressly townreading or scumreading.
Despair Night is a slight scumread.
Mikoto and Kuroko are a moderate to strong scumread.
VOTE: Mikoto and Kuroko
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JC, nOoOo, you're supposed to tell me why it's bad that I have a good bit of townreads right now, and not pushing many slots.
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*claps at Insomnia/Imperium*
After a very lazyIn post 650, Spiffybringer wrote:VOTE: Smol Might
Weakest ISO in the game atm, seems like they're trying too hard to seem carefree, and their only "meaningful" content so far is their commentary around Hectic's potential posting restriction which is a pretty unhelpful thing to talk about.Smol MightISO skim, I thought this was a solid vote since:
Is the sum of what I dislike in discussing all validities of claims, so what warrants a vote on this slot?In post 426, Smol Might wrote:Notice: Post Restrictions are not restricted to town and can also be faked
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In post 648, Disaster Artists wrote:
I'll get in your pocket if you get in mine :3In post 630, Blake X Yang wrote:Accept my pocket onto you already, damnit.
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Well, let's begin discussion.In post 649, Unapologetically Foxy wrote:
Okay so, I said towniest vibe, not that I was townreading you. I know there's not that much of a difference, but there is a little bit of nuance. By towniest vibe I mean things that feel like a net positive that will only make the game easier to sort. However, I've played a few too many games that the person who was doing the nicest most helpful things were scum, so having a good vibe isn't enough for me to townread a slot. Their actions, as well as their content, also need to be good.In post 605, Blake X Yang wrote:Unapologetic Foxy actually felt town off first glance but that could be me misreading their personal vibe as AI. Through scampering the thread before it got larger earlier, I found that they townread this hydra - and I want them to elaborate on why. Since they supported someone who 1/2 of the hydra didn't agree with one of the first wagons of the game, I want to know what about this hydra's content is appealing.
So what I was saying was I like the way you post. Like, your pair feels like one that actual discussion with clearly stated and easy to follow points will come from. Also the bolding of names in your posts makes them so much easier to process rather than just pure walls of text like most people tend to post with. It just was easy to read and follow, and I like that and hope that continues.
~xoffy
1)Why couldTitus'entrance come from scum?
2)IsSpiffy's hydraa valid lynch?
3)Do you think that much ofMikoto-Somethingplaces too much emphasis on appearing a certain manner?
4)What is one reason to townreadBlack Hole Defection?
What does CO/CO power mean?In post 653, Black Hole Defection wrote:I don't think we should blow this CO up day one. COs with weak stats have strong CO Powers, often. We don't know what side it's for, yeah, but CO Powers help more for Orange Star.
I'm not quite following my head's townread onIn post 653, Black Hole Defection wrote:In post 247, Latias and Latios wrote:Oh good you remembered this game existed
-LatiasLazy shade.Latios/Latiasjust yet, why should I, or why not?
Ooh, I want this answered.In post 653, Black Hole Defection wrote:You're not being a straight shooter. Why did you switch stories? None of the Fog of War on Cappy had moved, you only learned The Searchers don't like your take.
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I hope we do, i still feel bad about the last normal. I don't scumread you as of now so it's all goodIn post 274, Smol Might wrote:Farkran wolf for mindmelding on Cappy
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hi farkran we aren't magical girls this time but we can be masons for real this time if you want :3
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Why the latibros scum? I think they are ok, not engaged much but no sign of scumminess yet?
-FarkranThis makes me think, no matter Farkran's army, his matching analysis style is going to be the thing that keeps me from getting BORED! Lots of people just flatly stating "this post is Black Hole". That's no fun! I hope we can tag, but even a thrilling enemy is something to look forwards to, Sonja knows that.In post 367, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:TOWN
Latias and Latios (Chemist1422 and Gamma Emerald)
Cappy (Hectic and Pink Ball)How do you feel so certain about Cappy?In post 372, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:Well no shit that's a nice readlist. And aside from the good formatting i see that we agree on the relevant stuff.
No way. It should be black.In post 373, Cappy wrote:I'm townreading Mikoto & Kuroko and Blake and can't remember Taly's name
- Silver BulletIn post 375, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:Also sorry i thought i had enabled signature on this account but apparently i didn't so forgive me for this test post where i fix the issue
-FarkranThe post I mentioned earlier is not as whack as a Bitmap post, since he fought in a similar way alongside Orange Star in the Battle of Magical Girls.
I've mostly not read the opening dossier about how each CO has disguised themselves. It's more fun to make some mistakes, even if it causes a death or two. Teehee.In post 406, The Searchers wrote:Both Spiffeh and Fire are playing to their metas
Not town or scum, just their usual
SC[/quote]Yo, 34% is a big number. You don't have to be a genius like me to realize that's not "usual". Responding to a request for your blueprints by saying you didn't build it anyway is what my Black Hole lieutenants did when they were missing deadlines, because they don't know how to build anyway.
Vote: Searcher
Unbolded, I am not caught up yet and will not catch up before I need to go to bed, so Hawke can continue to move the chesspieces, for now. But if you want a genius's take, this says most about uniform color of anything I've read so far.
Why are you interested in this specific read ofIrcherand not the other reads that have higher confidence or even less specific reasoning?
In post 653, Black Hole Defection wrote:In post 408, Blake X Yang wrote:I will get to youSearcher/Farkran, about to head into another online lecture.
-yangLooking cute won't win you combat Nell.
Blake is the easier opponent for me, I think I mentioned that after the Battle of Purgatory, so I'm looking forward to seeing her on the battefield here and not just in your HQ. Your moves have been a blur to me thus far. Are you an Eagle?im a toucan bby
But yeah, my moves are blurry to me even, tbh. If you mean"opponent"in a flavor context, as in ease of reading and not combating, then I'm inclined to see your genuineness.
Though, you're not accomplishing much by keeping me in stated mystery.
I like this take onIn post 653, Black Hole Defection wrote:Imperium wrote:The reason why I mentioned Ircher there is because of his reaction to my opening post. I don't think I've played with Ircher? Or not enough to recognize the name I don't think. Anyway if this is Ircher, he's trying to claim some kind of understanding about how I play, which would mean that there's no way he doesn't like my opening posts. People who don't know me usually hate my opening posts whereas people who do know me, probably still hate my opening posts, but know that's just me and ignore it. So if it's ircher then the two reactions make no sense and that's a problem.This seems like something scary for CO Tammy to try to bring to the War Room if she knew under her jacket she wears black. The message invites everyone to think about who she is, although she is only trying to launch rockets at CO Ircher.
I read up to page twenty and I must sleep. On review, I had two different thoughts on Latios/Latias, but given I put stock in an intel that CO Chemist has Black Hole-like stratagems even when with the Orange Star, I see Orange there overall. Hawke can vote anywhere, but will delight me if he votes Searchers or Smol Might.Tammy.
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LOL, excuse me?In post 802, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:
Interesting post from Yang, whereas i remember a terrible push from blake happening several pages ahead of where i am at.In post 605, Blake X Yang wrote:If I can't engage by reading 20+ pages that boomed out of nowhere, then I'm taking a much more conversational approach to adapt, at least until I have a better handle of more than just a handful of players.
I think not looking into my push for content a second deeper is a very surface level mentality, and I'm weeding that out because it's a reason why the game is so dense. Namely, if people are more talkative, then they either provide tons of content or none at all - and it's very likely AI. That's how I sort in this situation.
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Disaster Artists wrote:Maybe but everyone would be more excited to see your spicy hot takes without guidance
-JCSpeakeris town, I've never encounteredIrcherwith this level of content that isn't town of him. A lot of his reads aren't the most popular at first glance, at least in my agreement with him, but he's not enforcing his will upon others, so I think he's town here. He's not aligning to a specific thought process and constructing his own.
Night Despairfelt town for reasons I've already mentioned. I don't follow the suspicion on him and I enjoyed some of their entrance posting, tbh.
You're very likely town to me because you're consistently in the thread but are finding means to sort - this is reinforced by who I think you are,Cena. I figured you wouldn't have such a conversational tone and sort in a scum POV because you're capable of devising very nuanced plans.
Unapologetic Foxyactually felt town off first glance but that could be me misreading their personal vibe as AI. Through scampering the thread before it got larger earlier, I found that they townread this hydra -and I want them to elaborate on why.Since they supported someone who 1/2 of the hydra didn't agree with one of the first wagons of the game, I want to know what about this hydra's content is appealing.
Farkran Hydrais harder to follow since multiple people with experience have expressed confusion in relation to their vibe - my other headBlakeincluded. I like their consistent posting for content but I think they focus on details a bit much, and I'd like to become more conversational with them when it's more possible. I don't have a strong pull on this hydra either way, but I do not care for the other head saying"guess I'll have to obvtown"at some point, seemed defensive in nature.
I'm kind of sadHecticdied, I wanted to see why he feltFarkran hydra/This hydrawas town, since both of us didn't have a clarified read on the other even after a subtle exchange.
Also, I greatly abhor people discussing post restrictions. It solves nothing. It's NAI.
Have not liked anything I've seen ofego, they've been present but not doing much. I disliked their associative ofNight Despair/this hydrabecause I didn't feel convinced by the push there? Yeah, not stellar reasoning, but it's something. I want to communicate with my head before doing a push, ideally.
Everyone pushingPopsto die for winning the game feels very weird, and I want the reasoning explained.
I liked something aboutPrism'sposting but I forgot.
A bit funny you paintBlake'svote so poorly. How is it terrible if you haven't even read forward with critical thought? That's a preemptive statement that's meant to disregard an assessment. Both heads of this hydra have expressed some form of uncertainty of your slot, so claiming the vote as invalid before actually understanding the reasons behind the push is quite disingenuous. You either have the instilled idea that our push will be bad, or you're bracing yourself to combat our replies to you, neither are effective or town-indicative behaviors.
Are you in our PT?In post 802, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:These two hydra are both reasonably active (not top posters, but also definitely not lurkers) but do not seem to be privately communicating about their opinions.Ankand I haven't been able to do a full-out conversation to hash everything out, but that's partially why we're working around each other's reads here. That's a bit presumptuous of you to assume about our hydra only a little over a day after the game has begun.
I don't like your nitpick of detail here, it doesn't feel genuine.
OK?In post 802, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:I have just recently played my first game in a hydra with alisae, and we've been collaborating the shit out of that game as a town slot. This hydra with bitmap is vastly different, but that's because bitmap is fairly disengaged with the game so far.
You're associating effort and collaboration as an exclusively alignment indicative trait, as well as a cut and dry behavior. Not everyone works the same way as you, and it's a free argument for scum to project their standard of behavior onto another slot. If you're going to go this angle in combating this slot's attention to you, then flesh it out and redact your statement.
In post 802, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:Yet, i would expect that taly/alyssa would be much more in line with their posting, and seeing these independent strikes from them is not something i'm fancying right now. Their voting pattern is also a bit weird based on progression, but i'll go about this later when i get to blake posts.
-FarkranHave you even played with me before?
Tbh,Aly/Ihave pretty aligned reads for players who solve on a completely different wavelength.
I dislike that you treat us as one person, and not two separate thought processes. But you know, we're aligning a bit further in reads now.
I don't townread you here.
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heyIn post 743, Imperium wrote:hectic is town for hectic's interactions with farkranimperium, welcome to thetOwNiEs
can you point to mehectic'sinteraction withfarkranand what was towny over it?
Yeah, I want to know the motive behind this question.
Insomnia, I'll get to one of your recent posts v soon.
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I'll bite.
Years, I guess? On and off. Forum mafia.In post 729, Despair Night wrote:So this is my first non-IC newbie game. Welcome everyone, and JC especially from our history. I had a custom of posing some introductory questions to get the game started:
1. What is your experience at Mafia
Oof, where do I begin.
I have a WIDE variety of ways I show as my alignment. My townrange is larger than my scumrange. I can't even attempt to fake the level of opinion, emotionality, and read progression as scum as I do town since my brain goes in many directions at once, all the time.As town,
I'm not particularly good in gamestate clarity, reads, or town cohesion... usually, when I excel in one of the 3, I am doing poor in another. I'm very good at keeping an honest thought process as town, so if we're using reflection as a measure of town strength, then I have this in spades, if I'm not too frustrated or apathetic to try. I've been told I townspew a lot, and I reasonvery well.I'm usually good at persuasion.
Yes, my variety of appearance as town - as well as it being common that I'm townread, but not the best at solving OR vice versa - often leaves me in 3 fates as town:
1)I am NKed very early.
2)I make it to lylo even though I usually abhor the idea.
3)I gamesolve and town stomp with the plist that works to my strengths. Players likeBlakehelp because they're a very different perspective that helps illuminate mine. A reason I hydra.
I have this cognitive idea that I'm immune to adverse situations because I can reason why my partner is town through confbias. Confbias and AtE plague my ability to solve as town very greatly, since I'm considered to be a more emotional player DESPITE having very logical thought processes and reasoning for my actions. Though, I very much try to work with my head and am enthusiastic doing so, I'm more lenient in how I do it.As town in hydra,
I'm incredibly calculated. My brain focuses on attaching narratives that both serve to keep me and/or my teammates alive, and I'm far less stream-of-consciousness. I'd even say that I'm breaking my scumrange hard just by these last string of posts because I don't stream-of-consciousness much as scum, too much risk and uncertainty. I'm not a very confident scum player, tbh.When I'm scum,
But, with my reputation and situational strengths, I have misted people as scum pretty hard before. My posting style and appearance can seem very similar to town, but ultimately, I'm not as nuanced in my opinions. I usually use my emotions to perpetuate a narrative I surmise rather than throw them out in the open as a means to encourage help in sorting.
I'm VERY, intensely focused on little cognitive dissonance with my head. I try to be very structured, and I'm even more rigid. People somehow townread this. I don't get it. I canAs scum in a hydra,appeareasier as my town-game in a scum hydra, since I have the leverage of communing and speaking with my head(s), but sometimes, I'm even more filtered than as solo-scum, which is already a good bit.
What's definitively NAI for me?
I survive longer than most people expect as both alignment, unless I'm mislynched/caught very early. Even then, people who know me ALWAYS say I'm easier to solve as the game progresses in most situations, so this usually doesn't happen... and I'm more likely mislynched than caught as scum D1.
My casing. The way I make wallposts. How I present myself. Emotion/tone change the flavor of this andMIGHTbe AI, but not the syntax itself.
Pretty circumstantial answer that can be changed due to meta and environmental changes in a person's life that affects their thought process in how they believe they should interact into a deception AND team-based social game.
I think scum more likely forgets the team-based aspect, and focuses much more on the deception. This mentality can and has taken many forms.
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Why?In post 838, Spiffybringer wrote:With the realization that Blake = Ankamius I think Blake x Yang is very likely Town
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What was the point of writing this?In post 847, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:pedit @blake: different meta from blake or alyssa have no inference on your read accuracy around me, unless you are saying that ankamius is a good reader and blake isn't, which would be nonsensical. You may change personality and modus operandi by switching accounts, you do not change your accuracy rating.
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Insomnia, it's boring that you asked 4 self-meta questions and then not followed up with a response when someone replied.
What was the point of it if it was just to see who would reply? If at all?
Also, I have like... 8-9 reads at the moment, and I'm getting better and assessing their strength.
And on the contraryIrcher, I did gain some read clarity from my 598, the prompted interaction withCenahelped my read ofDisaster'sslot, and his consistency in attitude towardBlakereinforces my reads. I wantPops/Prismto pick my brain more before I come to a conclusion there. Also,Flavortownat that point in the thread said he didn't have any definitive views on what was going on in the game until that point, despite having been involved 100+ posts prior, and hasn't been in the thread today to my perception. It could be an activity difference but I'm less impressed with the slot's response during the conversation that revolved around that post.
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shiny wallpost!! I'll assess soon and we may continue discussion.Unapologetically Foxy wrote:
Okay sure, I'll answer these.In post 804, Blake X Yang wrote:Well, let's begin discussion.
1) Why could Titus' entrance come from scum?
2) Is Spiffy's hydra a valid lynch?
3) Do you think that much of Mikoto-Something places too much emphasis on appearing a certain manner?
4) What is one reason to townread Black Hole Defection?
1) I mean, anybody's start could be from scum. But Titus is someone I've played a few games with and I'd like to think I can read her by now. Her start seems a little slow for her, but I don't know that it's AI, she seems to actually be busy with things. But she does seem to be holding back a little. That's really the only thing from my perspective. I don't go in for a "oh this person is scum cuz they started by saying/doing x" way of play. I'm always about tone and what brand of defensive people are being, are they lying/hiding something, is what they're doing helping town. So how people start could be absolutely meaningless.
2) With no actual information, isn't everybody? I don't think Spiffy's hydra has given any actual reasons they should be lynched though, and lynching them wouldn't actually give much information to go forward with. I don't know that anyone fits this yet. Most Day 1 lynches really don't from my limited experience.
3) I don't know that I'd say they look like they're going out of their way to have a certain perception, but reading them in isolation, they do have an odd tone that feels performative. Could just be how they're playing their hydra, I couldn't say, I don't have any experience with either head at all. At the same time, I weirdly like them?
4) Their posts have actual content to them. When they're saying anything, they actually link back to things that support their claims or help expand further what it is they mean. They're a hydra that I expect will also continue to give good content that is actually helpful to the town. I just like their logical tone so far. That's a reason enough for me.
I'm still waiting on Pine's opinions on things and to actually catch up, but I hope this kinda gives you a perspective on how I view and think about things?
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feel it h03Unapologetically Foxy wrote:Also, ugh, you actually made me do actual work in a mafia game, gross. I hope you're happy. >:(
~xoffy
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And I'd love it equally as much if you'd pay more attention to me Half because I don't have a strong grasp on you while others seem to do, and also because I love your posting. Jealous as hell.Hydra of Blake Belladonna and Yang Xiao Long-
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This is how all my hydras play. If I'm in line or consistently syncing with my hydra partner within a game, there's very good odds I'm either not posting at all or having very little presence in the main thread.In post 802, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:Interesting post from Yang, whereas i remember a terrible push from blake happening several pages ahead of where i am at. These two hydra are both reasonably active (not top posters, but also definitely not lurkers) but do not seem to be privately communicating about their opinions. I have just recently played my first game in a hydra with alisae, and we've been collaborating the shit out of that game as a town slot. This hydra with bitmap is vastly different, but that's because bitmap is fairly disengaged with the game so far.
Yet, i would expect that taly/alyssa would be much more in line with their posting, and seeing these independent strikes from them is not something i'm fancying right now. Their voting pattern is also a bit weird based on progression, but i'll go about this later when i get to blake posts.
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Scumreading based off this is fallacious.
This post entirely assumes that you are obviously town up to this point, which you are not.In post 818, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:On to stronger reads:
707+781 from despair were good. I think very few slots have actually realized that my initial read on egospray and the question to despair was aimed to get out from RVS rather than pushing something consistent. We were, like, page 6 when that happened? I prodded two slots to deliver content, and gave everyone else something to analyze.
A lot of people focused on that exchange as if it was a push that scum would make - which only makes sense from slots who want to join the 1v1 to sort me and also giving more content for other people to analyze. I liked those, and i also liked the slots who picked the RT up and tried to analyze it from a distance. Imperium's 705+711+777 is nitpicking on details but i can see them trying to identify how town!Farkran works as opposed to undertalescum!Fark. I feel like they are pausing to assess if i am actually trying to bullshit push my way or not in this game, and that's a proper approach to my introductory posts.
I disliked slots who are ignoring the current gamestate and are not proactively trying to improve it. I feel like scum would find lurking an efficient strategy in this game, and that's why i am not fond of NL and egospray himself yet.
Other slots, such as blake/yang, have used that exchange to make a push on me way later into the game, without pausing to analyze my intent when i posted that. Another element that points at blake/yang being scum is the dissonance in yang's readlists vs their analysis on my slot. They have a dislike of egospray (which i am voting), yet they never proactively examined the slot and went with voting me instead. This might be NAI for egospray but it's definitely AI for blake/yang. Post 670 was terrible in this context, basically entirely made of consensus townreads, nullreads on plausible scum and scumreads on town. 775 and 780 are simply shooting the shit because that's nowhere near a solid hold to make a push on my slot so far. I think they would have reason to remove me if they are scum, definitely not if they are town.
VOTE: Blake and Yang i feel like i have identified a scum motivated push.
Willing to listen more about egospray, i don't see these two slots as disaligned.
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You've been playing very differently from both other games I've played with you, even taking our discord conversations into account. I have a personality read on you that makes me strongly believe that you would challenge scumreads similarly to the way skitter30 confronts me when she believes she's obviously town and yet I'm voting her anyway. The way you're going about this exchange does not give me the same impression. The way you're going about this exchange gives me much more of an impression that you are attempting to build up enough initial credibility to properly challenge the scumread and brute force an advantage to cut the momentum short.
I don't remember ever seeing you do this as town rather than just confrontation and pressure. This political speak is unbecoming of you.
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I would like to point out that this was directly made in response to me telling Spiffeh that he shouldn't townread Blake off Alyssa meta, considering both of them have very different playstyle presentations and tells. It's not even ambiguous that this is the case.In post 847, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:pedit @blake: different meta from blake or alyssa have no inference on your read accuracy around me, unless you are saying that ankamius is a good reader and blake isn't, which would be nonsensical. You may change personality and modus operandi by switching accounts, you do not change your accuracy rating.
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In post 873, Equitable Androids wrote:
Who were you in T v A?In post 780, Blake X Yang wrote:Bitmap, as well, feels very similar to how he did in Titus vs Alisae. I mistakenly attributed it to him being a mason in that game, but there is no stick excuse here.
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I distantly remember roughly what the difference is. I believe I would be picking up on the difference if it was present even if I might not necessarily be able to describe what I'm seeing, exactly.
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Anyway, I'm caught up and approximately none of my reads have changed over the last twelve or so pages.
I will likely step back and let Yang have control over the posting and the vote until the game is less noisy in order to allow me to focus more elsewhere. I will still be following along roughly, so direct me places if I need to look at anything.
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Primarily from slots I'm already confident on.
Reinforcing the same reads over twenty pages does nothing for me, sorry.
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I spent half of my free time before work reading posts that don't make my understanding of the game progress in any way.In post 1151, Disaster Artists wrote:Your reads not changing doesn't mean the content is bad.
It means there's more of the same that helps reinforce
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That isn't exactly a good use of time.
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