Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[jjh927]

I like my game's playerlist way more than the other one so I propose we just hang about on day 1 while spectating the other game

[jjh927]

Yeah IK so we can all just comment on your game as it happens

[jjh927]

Either you lynch some scum and I win without actually doing anything of importance or you get to xylo and we start playing the game while putting yours on hold, using the comments from people in my game on your game to place everyone

[jjh927]

What's the problem

[jjh927]

This is really just one game though

[jjh927]

I do actually have an expectation of you that I don't of other people, RC.

I expect your username to be an anagram of "Bowels clad in tar" and you are currently satisfying that expectation

[jjh927]

Just to be clear I'm serious about effectively spectating the other game in order to preserve our playerlist

[jjh927]

But I want it to be

[jjh927]

With the amount of unknown entities in Halloween(game with rc) game it might be better to start in Christmas (jjh game)

Yeah but that's why I explicitly don't want to start with my game
At least 2/3 of my game are really cool people

[jjh927]

Just to be clear I'm serious about effectively spectating the other game in order to preserve our playerlist

Spectating as in, not giving thoughts but reading, or spectating as in, giving thoughts in spite of not being a part of it?

The former sounds like an incredibly bad idea because uhhhh...yeah if my understanding of the game mechanics is right, you can be doing quite fine in your own game but if the town gets endgamed in the other game, you ALSO lose?

The latter tho, that's pretty much exactly what we should be doing, because, uhhh, yeah, if my understanding of the game mechanics is right, you need to make sure both games are doing fine, plus, it doesn't even require two scum in your game to die; it just requires two scum dead, period. So if both towns kill a scum, and fourteen heads for finding scum are better than seven (well, in

theory

, at least...), then town endgames the scum.

At least if I understood correctly.

I mean we all do fuck all with our game and just comment on the other one until it hits lylo or two scum are dead, barring exceptional circumstances

Look at our playerlist

[jjh927]

RC, could you please make it explicitly clear who the various parts of 160-162 were aimed at

[jjh927]

Wow that's rude

I am definitely great

[jjh927]

I'm pushing for a mechanical decision where my playerlist, which includes me, has to play a much longer game

[jjh927]

I’m legit worried that scum have like stupid high numbers to counteract this very townsided wincondition

Then read the rules

Scum have 2 scumbutts in each game

[jjh927]

I think you're looking at Mastina's readslist wrong.

It's pro-town. It's probably a thing Mastina could do as either alignment but I (kinda baselessly) think it's more likely to come from town!Mastina. Mastina is engaged and trying to get people to think about setup stuff. This is also good. Actually, this is probably the most town indicative thing in the game thus far because I'm fairly sure we're on the same page, which indicates the thought process there is genuine

[jjh927]

Declaring scumreads on paragon winners is not a crime

[jjh927]

Sure but nobody's lynching your team mafia team rn

[jjh927]

I think mastina is more likely to be scum than RC is atm but Ali’s advice for how to enjoy large themes was to stop taking them so seriously which means I’m not that interested in trying to sort out RC/mastina/NSG/jjh rn, maybe not today at all

-wall

I'm still waiting to see what's up with that whole bunch of RC posts that contextually are simultaneously directed at me and completely not applicable to me whatsoever

[jjh927]

Gobble read the damn rules

[jjh927]

Here's the abridged version of jingle posts
Game A and Game B have the same number of players.
Game A and Game B each have 2 SCUM REMAINING!
Days will last indefinitely bla bla bla
Some stuff about night actions and how they resolve indicating this probably ain't mountainous
The MAFIA faction will win if at any time they control 50% of the votes in either game.

[jjh927]

The games are separate games
One can be in night while the other is in day
One could be on day 4 while the other could be still in day 1

If a game hits mylo, there could be some really fucky potential, because the whole game ending could end up being based around when the night ends in 1 game but shit could still happen in the other game

[jjh927]

You had a think about why fast night isn't an option when both games are in night phase? It's because shit needs to happen in the order the night phases started

[jjh927]

how is it pro-town?

what are you referring to when you say that you're on the same page? on the same page about townreading people who haven't posted yet?

The readslist is pro-town because people start talking about it. Attention is suddenly on Mastina in a way it has been many times before, and will be many times more.

I think we're on the same page wrt mysterious setup things

[jjh927]

RC, could you please make it explicitly clear who the various parts of 160-162 were aimed at

Wow that's rude

I am definitely great

I'm pushing for a mechanical decision where my playerlist, which includes me, has to play a much longer game

I'm not getting a lot of anything that's happened so far besides wanting it to stop

Can you maybe answer the first question

[jjh927]

And I like the way you felt the need to clarify what it was you liked

[jjh927]

one of my big concerns here

is that jjh is pushing us to bring one game to lylo because scum have some way to target people in the other game and end that game

Pretty sure they don't because nobody agreed with me

There is a much better strat for this, which is to push ahead a day on whichever game that lynches scum first

[jjh927]

I'm fine with everyone starting the game by townreading active people but I'm not convinced jormun lie Amrun Elmo is 4 scum right now

Sure isn't!
May I present to you the alternative pool of,

{Jormun, Shuichi, RadiantCowbells, Bernadetta}, {Amrun, northsidegal, Wonderwall}?

Now

that

grouping sure looks like it contains the four scum. I realize it's not exactly four names, two names in two games, that I've got seven total which is two too many in one game, one too many in the other, three too many in total, butstill, I like my pool a lot more.

I like Wonderwall for town. I feel like it's probably a good idea to leave NSG and Amrun for a bit and see what happens with deadlines being very long, because scum! NSG should become more obvious with time and Amrun is just very busy atm as far as I know. So I'm not particularly happy at all with your pools for our game.
I think RC is probably town? He's clearly got this idea of pushing me, but I'm not the type to go crazy when someone baselessly calls me toxic. Would RC double down on it as scum, or continue evading the question that is continuing to be asked and not just by me?
Shuichi can definitely be scum though.

[jjh927]

Does that mean we're actually playing 3 different games

[jjh927]

RC, stop assuming that I have the same reads as Mastina
This is the second time

[jjh927]

I think I need to read some pages of this and put some reads down
But I'm not doing that rn I'm going to bed

[jjh927]

Oh yeah I think I needed to say Wonderwall is town because of chasing RC down on that shit he accused me of at some point but I don't remember who asked me

[jjh927]

I get that the longer I don't read this stuff, the more of it there will be to read, but I am very tired. I apologise. I'll probably catch up tomorrow, unless anyone wants to ask me anything in the next 5 minutes or so

[jjh927]

I thought that there might be some time to catch up before now but there wasn't. I think the next time I can allocate is in 9 hours

[jjh927]

Hiya I'm around again now even though it's like 3:30 am

[jjh927]

I think I should probably pick up reading assuming I don't remember much of what happened after post 750 in my iso

[jjh927]

that is, based on my iso

I think I skimread a bit after that but yeah

[jjh927]

We should stagger nights btw

It'll be easier to tell which game caused things to happen

[jjh927]

Actually that might be bullshit

but I'd still rather stagger nights

[jjh927]

What are you teaching

[jjh927]

I'm TRing wonderwall but I'm still not caught up

I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing by refreshing this page tbh

[jjh927]

Today is gonna be the day

[jjh927]

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[jjh927]

Hey Mastina, you know when you copypasted stuff from your role PM

[jjh927]

I was hoping you'd have responded by now so there'd be more of a conversational flow

but anyway, were you aware that all the role pm stuff you posted was in post #1 as the example role pm

[jjh927]

but anyway, were you aware that all the role pm stuff you posted was in post #1 as the example role pm

Of course. This is not the first time I've been accused of copy-pasting from publicly available information. (Last time it was 'you must have copied Ank's PM'.) Doesn't matter; that isn't where I got it from. I copy-pasted from my actual role PM.

Oh okay then
The follow up is why bother posting it if you knew it was aware in post #1 as the example role PM

ngl I was just trying to make you feel silly

[jjh927]

Damn I can't english today

but anyway, were you aware that all the role pm stuff you posted was in post #1 as the example role pm

Of course. This is not the first time I've been accused of copy-pasting from publicly available information. (Last time it was 'you must have copied Ank's PM'.) Doesn't matter; that isn't where I got it from. I copy-pasted from my actual role PM.

Oh okay then
The follow up is why bother posting it if you were aware it was in post #1 as the example role PM

ngl I was just trying to make you feel silly

[jjh927]

Is what Amrun's scum meta?

If it's inactivity then blame coronavirus

[jjh927]

I'm kinda interested in why NSG seems to lack confidence in her read on me atm

[jjh927]

Maybe that will get me interested enough to get properly into this game but honestly idk at this point

[jjh927]

I uh
don't think I have a read on you tbh

[jjh927]

I might need to read more because I think your name's been thrown around a fair bit

[jjh927]

This lack of read may be partially influenced by some cognitive shit actually and I should work on overcoming that
I can't really move away from that point in earlygame when RC said me and Mastina townread you when I don't think I'd even mentioned you and spite wants me to go the complete opposite direction but I don't think I've seen anything particularly scum indicative which is probably why I don't have a read.

Okay you can be town

[jjh927]

my current inclination is to scumread you. are you more confused that i lack confidence than that i scumread you? i guess i'll just ask: how do you think i should be reading you?

Yeah I think you should probably be scumreading me with high confidence rn.

You haven't seen my scumgame in ages, right? And back then, this was vaguely what it was like.

[jjh927]

JJH, why should we townread you?

That's a strange question. Are you asking me to comment on my own play here

[jjh927]

Yes. You seems comfortable commenting on your own play here as it relates to your scum play. Why are you uncomfortable doing it for your town play?

Sure except that I haven't really done much of note that the average person should be townreading me for yet. I don't really expect anyone outside of Mastina to have correct reasons for correctly reading me at this point

[jjh927]

JJh, why was my question about why should we townread you a “strange” question?

Because you were asking it in response to me saying that NSG should probably scumread me harder than she currently is

[jjh927]

Ah, gobble, you're making assumptions.

My old scum meta had a huge and obvious dividing line between my town and scum play. The line is less clear now because I can fake enthusiasm for an undetermined length of time. But someone who still sees the clear dividing line as opposed to the more blurred one would scumread me much more confidently here.

[jjh927]

If NSG was more familiar with my recent scumplay I don't think I'd expect any read in particular, really

[jjh927]

But like, the ultimate reason to townread me is that I'm town and there's probably evidence of that somewhere in my posts in a way that is outside of my scumrange but I can't point them out because I don't know what they are because otherwise I'd do those things as scum

And that's why it was a weird question

[jjh927]

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[jjh927]

I really want to get in to this game but I'm struggling and I don't understand why

[jjh927]

I'm gonna do a full reread later tonight but don't have time for more than the odd post rn

[jjh927]

Okay I'm ready to start rereading the game now

[jjh927]

Apparently it's my scumday

but yeah I think it's probably best if I just reread from the start and focus on that only and figure shit out rather than trying to engage with people on the front end at the same time like I usually do when I catch up
ngl I've missed a looot of posts

[jjh927]

Jjh were you scum?

Wait did I get lynched wtf

[jjh927]

Who the fuck moved to lynch me when my last post was that I was gonna fully reread and be useful again within like 12 hours

[jjh927]

I basically never get mislynched fwiw

This is pretty much like this one large normal I played aaaaaaaaaaaaages ago where I couldn't really get into the game and I got lynched

Fun fact
the entire scumteam voted me consecutively in that game

[jjh927]

so I'm obviously not gonna read this fucking game if you lynched me, but there is 100% scum on my wagon here

[jjh927]

Unless I missed something, this was a flashwagon that occurred after I made the first and only promise I have made to actually work on getting into this game rather than just complaining about how I couldn't

[jjh927]

Mastina, why the hell did you hammer me

[jjh927]

Unless I missed something, this was a flashwagon that occurred after I made the first and only promise I have made to actually work on getting into this game rather than just complaining about how I couldn't

I'm gonna go back to this though
I am immensely suspicious that my promise to catch up and my immediate lynch are connected

[jjh927]

I'm not the worst person who could get lynched because I am a VT but it still kinda sucks because I was ready to commit

[jjh927]

Mechanically speaking, I suspect this game is similar to Vengeful Ghosts in terms of the general type of mechanic

[jjh927]

Unless I missed something, this was a flashwagon that occurred after I made the first and only promise I have made to actually work on getting into this game rather than just complaining about how I couldn't

I'm gonna go back to this though
I am immensely suspicious that my promise to catch up and my immediate lynch are connected

Mastina voted you for that post
So yeah

Wait what

Mastina should be EXTREMELY aware that posts like that come from scum!me and then I don't deliver on them
and posts like that also come from town!me and then I deliver on them

[jjh927]

like
that should be a big
"wait 12 hours and you will know jjh's alignment with extreme certainty" in bright flashing letters
and she's just gone "nah I'll hammer that"

[jjh927]

Mechanically speaking, I suspect this game is similar to Vengeful Ghosts in terms of the general type of mechanic

As in flipless?
You think Mastina should be the D2 lynch then?

No, as in
Cross game interaction

The cool mechanical stuff between the two games should mostly be role related and hidden to most people

[jjh927]

Imagine flashlynching a guy on his scumday that's just so rude

[jjh927]

I have a confession to make

[jjh927]

I can't actually read Mastina and just assume she is town